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	Wow...talk about losing history down the memory-hole -- it's like an article about Nixon without mentioning Watergate. (Well, maybe not ''that'' bad, but still....) --] (]) 05:29, 20 July 2013 (UTC)		Wow...talk about losing history down the memory-hole -- it's like an article about Nixon without mentioning Watergate. (Well, maybe not ''that'' bad, but still....) --] (]) 05:29, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
			:It was a publicity stunt. I really think the sweater is only relevant among people who really, really hate Jesse Jackson. --] (]) 06:42, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

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Campaign platform

This section is unsourced. I really doubt his campaign platforms for 1984 & 1988 were identical. My recollection is reading in the nineties that Jackson was just coming to support reparations movement. Its my suspicion the Campaign platform section is part made up, I'm not going to ask for anybody to trust my memory, just that the section be sourced or removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.71.85.238 (talk • contribs) 17:02, March 4, 2010

How is there no Controversies Section

Seriously, Jessie Jackson has a lot of supporters and a lot of detractors, has been in many situations generally considered controversial. This article makes it sound like Jessie Jackson is completely mainstream. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.207.85.123 (talk) 20:10, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Well, let's start the ball rolling - how about HUD Chicago, marital infidelities. Anyone else got any topics to add under this heading? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pandondene (talk • contribs) 11:21, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

I agree - Jackson has been a very polarizing figure; an honest entry article should reflect that. The various incidents should be pulled out into their own section, IMHO. HammerFilmFan (talk) 13:39, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

An honest entry should reflect that, yes, but this site has a POV. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.189.133.219 (talk) 09:39, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Jesse Jackson: Black Hope, White Hope - Nov 21, 1969 LIFE - Vol. 67, No. 21 "Jackson talks about himself at these meetings. Once he told of his days as a waiter at the Jack Tar Hotel in his hometown of Greenville S.C. Just before leaving the kitchen he would spit into the food of white patrons he hated and then smilingly serve it to them. He did this, he said, 'because it gave me psychological gratification.'" http://books.google.com/books?id=1VAEAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA67&ots=AfnbIGSt5z&dq=%22jesse%20Jackson%22%20spit%20in%20white%20%20food%20jack%20tar%20%20%22Black%20Hope%2C%20White%20Hope%22&pg=PA67#v=onepage&q&f=false 64.203.10.167 (talk) 23:39, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Mr. Jackson is made of Teflon, nothing sticks. How about a report on his awful (overheard) comments re Candidate Obama during the last Presidential election? About the (now) President he said "He talks down to niggers, I'd like to cut his balls off." Cutugno (talk) 00:16, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

This problem is not specific to the Jesse Jackson article. I've been a regular reader, seldom contributor, to Misplaced Pages since it started. In recent years I have seen most all biographical entries become strongly bias with POV. Maybe they are afraid of libel suits but the result is so extreme as to be comic. If you want a glance at an extended, free campaign ad check out the Hugo Chávez article. 24.136.247.51 (talk) 14:46, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Wow, no controversy section on Jessee Jackson? Seriously? Isn't this site supposed to have no political or racial bias? 24.179.151.176 (talk) 16:08, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Policy suggests that controversies should not be put into a separate section, but written into the general presentation of the topic. Are there any particular controversies you find to be missing from the article?User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 16:15, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Probably not noteworthy, but...

In the South Park episode With Apologies to Jesse Jackson, there is a shot of a newspaper with Randy Marsh "apologizing" to Jesse Jackson. Underneath that image, there is about 3 paragraphs of text that appear to come straight from this article.--Rockfang (talk) 07:34, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

References

I see that you have rearranged the citations at Jesse Jackson as well as done some editing. Can you please return the citation detail to the first use rather than all at the end. I have never seen the all at the end format.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:00, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

I have recently put the full citation detail in the references section. The citation formats are identical to before. The cites look the same to the reader, and future cites can be added with the full detail after the first instance, if desired.

I made this change because it removes edit window clutter, making the article easier to edit for substance and typos, and making it easier to verify the sourcing. Also, placing the full cites in the references section eliminates the need to later move them around whenever the first instance of the cite changes. My edit summaries were: same content but list-defined references WP:LDR to facilitate editing & cite checking - full reference is in ref list rather than in article text and finished LDR, no change in content. Here are the diffs that show what was done,, and .

There has been an objection to this change which I am moving from my talk page to here. Now that I have set out my reasoning in some detail, I feel further discussion will resolve any issues. --KeptSouth (talk) 15:52, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

I have put these comments in chronological order. I have never seen references formatted like that. It is my understanding that the full reference does not have to occur first. in the article. I see no other reason for this type of formatting. People are use to dealing with references among other text to edit.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:21, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Agree that the full cite need not be the first instance, but I find that a lot of people move cites around for that reason. I should not have mentioned it, b/c that is a side issue.

The main reason for use of LD refs is to make editing easier by removing clutter from the edit window. WP:LDR I also feel it makes it easier to check cite formatting and verify sourcing. LD refs have been used since September 2009, and were added for the very reason that some editors do in fact have trouble navigating the forest of long cites that can occur in the middle of article text. Though I understand you did not want this change, I don't see how the article is now harder for you, or for anyone to edit. The formatting of the cites is the same as before, except where I have checked them and found a few dead links. Please discuss this a bit further, and I am sure we can reach some sort of accommodation short of reverting everything.--Regards-- KeptSouth (talk) 20:25, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Note on recent changes

This diff shows basically what was done. The end result is that the content is mainly the same, a bit expanded in the first two sections, and a bit better sourced there. I also re-ordered some of the material that was previously scattered in several sections, not changing that content very much, and placing it mainly in under "Later political activities" in chronological order. I also found a few factual errors such as this one. which leads me to suspect that more checking of sources will reveal a few more errors or distortions. --KeptSouth (talk) 13:34, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

1980 Right to Life ballot

After quite a bit of searching, I am still unable to verify that Jackson ran on a Right to Life ballot line in 1980. In fact, I have found information that indicates the table below, which was previously in the Jackson article, is likely inaccurate in several respects. According to an August 27, 1980 article in the NY Times, Right To Life Party Won't Slate Reagan, the Right to Life party nominating committee met in a Knights of Columbus Hall in Queens in August 1980, talked by phone with Ronald Reagan, then voted to endorse Ellen McCormack for president. She was the only one who ran on the Right to Life Party line, and appeared on the ballot in at least three states, New York, New Jersey and Kentucky. In addition, the info now in this article on Jackson states that the voting was done at a "presidential convention". There is no way some 118,000 people fit into a Knights of Columbus hall. Therefore this information, which was previously sourced to an open wiki (ourcampaigns.com) is likely inaccurate, so I have removed it and placed it below. If anyone has a WP: Reliable Source that shows Jackson ran for President in New York State on the Right to Life ballot line, then by all means, you should add it back to the article with the source. I should note that despite the removal of this unsourced information, the article still makes it clear that Jackson changed positions on the abortion issue.--KeptSouth (talk) 11:15, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

New York State Right to Life Party
Presidential convention, 1980
Candidate	Votes	%
Ellen McCormack	79,609	67.33
Ronald Reagan	34,293	29.00
No candidate	2,729	2.31
Jesse Jackson	1.606	1.36

Rev. Jackson my name is Angela Terry but my maiden name is Johnson I am the daughter Betty Ann Johnson AKA Betty Bridgeforth we lived in chicago Ill. she sang with operation push she sang in choir and played the organ back in the 70's we moved here in 1980 i have been trying to find you to let you know that she passed away june 8th 2000 im so sorry that it has taken me so long to to let you know but like i said i have been trying to find you i know that you and her were good friends and she thought the world of you and she respected you

Thank you Angela Johnson Terry — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.224.107.64 (talk) 05:36, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

The Bloody Sweater

Wow...talk about losing history down the memory-hole -- it's like an article about Nixon without mentioning Watergate. (Well, maybe not that bad, but still....) --Froglich (talk) 05:29, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

It was a publicity stunt. I really think the sweater is only relevant among people who really, really hate Jesse Jackson. --68.14.74.126 (talk) 06:42, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

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