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Deletion discussion about Intelligent design (historical)

Hello, Markbassett,

I wanted to let you know that there's a discussion about whether Intelligent design (historical) should be deleted. Your comments are welcome at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Intelligent design (historical) .

If you're new to the process, articles for deletion is a group discussion (not a vote!) that usually lasts seven days. If you need it, there is a guide on how to contribute. Last but not least, you are highly encouraged to continue improving the article; just be sure not to remove the tag about the deletion nomination from the top.

Thanks, Barney the barney barney (talk) 14:36, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Reinstating edit on Creation-evolution controversy

Hi Markbasset, I see you reinstated your edit I had reverted previously, which removes the word pseudoscience. That word is backed by the reliable secondary source used and quoting Popper directly could actually be considered WP:OR since it's a primary source. It'd be great if you could give WP:BR a read. When an edit you make is reverted you go to the talk page, open a new thread about it and then wait to hear from other editors' input on the issue. Reverting back is considered bad practice and doing so more than three times in less than 24 hs (I'm not saying you did BTW) is considered edit warring. I'd really appreciate it if you could self revert your last edit and open a new thread so we can discuss it. Thank you very much. Regards. Gaba 02:16, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Please try the article talk since the re-creation means I've really looked and still think the edit is appropriate and so posted there. But first, please consider the desireability of having the primary source on the section topic Falsifiability (the Popper book) in favor of a lesser secondary source and on what wording would convey what is modern application or re-interpretation and where it will have gone too far in rephrasing the secondary source. To be precise, Popper defines falsifiability as a separator for science from all else, not saying the all-else is pseudoscience. Even the secondary source seems to not be making it the determinant for pseudoscience but noting it as a criteria (one of many?) for distinguishing science from psuedoscience is the Stanford extension of modern discussions. Saying a test mentioned in modern discussions is correct of STanford, but saying it as the determination of a duality was not in Stanford. Non-falsifiable pieces might equally well be poetry, law, music, acconting etcetera. And while Popper used the word pseudoscience, to him Pseudoscience usage differs from that of modern day -- he used that for Bolsheviks as epithet for his fellow Jews having to teach politically-correct Marxist views in what we now would call 'soft' sciences. Markbassett (talk) 11:50, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit warring

Hi Mark. I'm glad you've decided to join us here on wikipedia. When you have a chance, please read over WP:EW and WP:BRD. I've seen you making some changes to various articles that qualifies as "edit warring". Edit warring happens when an editor makes a change, their change is reverted, and then they make the change again. This isn't the best way to handle disputes, and in fact can result in problems (including editing sanctions) down the road. It also just doesn't help resolve issues amicably with other editors. It would be best to try to avoid that in the future, and try to follow the advice of our "BRD" guideline; using BRD, when an edit is reverted, the editors rely on the talk page to come to consensus for a change before they reintroduce any edit that was disputed. I think trying this approach will really help out with your interactions with other editors. Please let me know if you have any questions or there's anything I can help with. Thanks.   — Jess· Δ♥ 23:54, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

(below comment moved here from my talk   — Jess· Δ♥ 16:45, 30 September 2013 (UTC))

Jess, don't know which/what you're speaking of with the mention edit warring left on my talk page. I can only offer that while some edits get replaced over time, others on more active pages got replaced faster, and for any contentious page the WP:BRD simply does not work and any content is not a consensus so much as flavor of the day and a rugby scrum. Misplaced Pages has a list of contentious pages but you can also tell by the history having thousands of changes and the Talk having many posts, some very lengthy and replies going many levels deep to the point it's more a blog than sectioned topic discussions. Misplaced Pages seems to have ironic humor about it, judging from the classical art they posted to illustrate the editor as the Sabine woman between two armies and what the next painting in that series is. Cheers Markbassett (talk) 12:30, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Mark. I really prefer keeping discussion all in one place, so I moved your comment on my talk page back where the conversation started. I fully appreciate that you've had trouble on high-traffic pages getting your edits instated. It doesn't follow that "BRD doesn't work", and if you're routinely ignoring BRD and edit warring instead, you're going to find yourself sanctioned in the future. I really don't want that to happen (I'm sure you don't either), but edit warring is taken pretty seriously. Misplaced Pages policies are tough to adjust to right off the bat, and no one expects new editors to pick up all the nuances of policy immediately. If you'd like to discuss the merits of BRD or edit warring, the place to do it would be the village pump. But please don't edit war in the interim; it doesn't help anyone, and just turns the whole discussion hostile. Lean on building consensus on the talk page instead. Thanks.   — Jess· Δ♥ 16:45, 30 September 2013 (UTC)