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Vivek Oberoi

Mark, I actually provided a source for the Personal life edit. Here is the source below. http://www.mid-day.com/photos/b-town-specials/love-affairs-that-went-sour/ash-vivek/ A large part of his career is missing from the time he started acting from the time he got married. The edit I made covers that aspect of his career.

In the edit I reverted, I didn't see any indication that it was sourced. Please remember to cite a source with each addition to a biography, per our WP:BLP guideline. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:20, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Femininity

You need to note that the IP has continued to edit-war, inserting his proposed changes without meaningful discussion - he posted something on Talk and then immediately implemented changes without gaining consensus, in the face of three editors who have rejected his claim that "stereotype" is a POV word. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 13:35, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

As soon as somebody other than you reverts me, then I'll be happy to wait. 2.102.187.12 (talk) 14:05, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

So basically you're committed to edit-warring to get your POV in, rather than working to convince other editors that your proposal is acceptable. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 14:42, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

It's more like I'm sick of you reverting me wherever you can so I require somebody else to before leaving it alone. 2.102.187.12 (talk) 14:54, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

• You two are both edit warring and will probably be blocked if you keep it up. Take it to the talk page. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:34, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Grace Sherwood FA

Thank you from PSky and Wehwalt for your comment and review of this recently successful FAC. PumpkinSky talk 20:26, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

My pleasure, congratulations on the promotion. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:38, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Turn-off article feedback tool

Hey mark, I accidently turned-on the article feedback tool on the Senthil Kumar article. Can you please let me know how to turn it off? Thanks -- L o g X

I turned it back off. Not sure how to do it as a non-admin though. I should look into that. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:38, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so much man! -- L o g X 20:39, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

You disabled it strongly enough that only an admin can re-enable it now. To disable it as a regular user, click "View feedback" in the Toolbox, then the gear in the top right corner, then "Disable feedback." Can you re-enable it through the protection interface and then disable it that way, so that if a regular user wants to re-enable it in the future, they can? Jackmcbarn (talk) 21:55, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I disabled it that way. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:25, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

It ended up super-disabled again. Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:00, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, I used the view feedback -> gear -> disable process, so I'm not sure what to tell you. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:37, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Devyn Rose

A page was created for musician Devyn Rose last year and I was asked to provide/establish notability. Her single "Want It All" is in rotation on the following commercial radio stations in the US via reliable tracking source Mediabase

• WRVZ-FM
• WOCQ-FM
• KHTT-FM
• WZMX-FM
• KPAT-FM
• KAGM-FM
• KWYL-FM

Please advise as I would like to recreate the wiki and add this information.

PinkStaircase (talk) 23:12, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Have you reviewed the WP:MUSICBIO criteria? Mark Arsten (talk) 02:13, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello, yes, I have and it states that the musician must have at least one of the criterias and she has #11: Has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network. She is currently on rotation on 7 major commerical radio stations in the United States. PinkStaircase (talk) 18:46, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Ok, you can apply to WP:DRV to have the deletion overturned if you like. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:11, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I read DRV and it states I should only apply if you and I can't come to a resolution? Is it possible you restore the article to my sandbox and I add the above mentioned for your review before its actually published? Or should I apply anyway? PinkStaircase (talk) 23:03, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Ok, the page is now at User:PinkStaircase/Devyn Rose for you to work on. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:07, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Mark, I've made the changes, please review when you have a moment. Will continue to revise in the meantime PinkStaircase (talk) 00:41, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Ok, looks a little better, but I'm not too familiar with notability guidelines in this area. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:13, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Is there someone/somewhere I should post to, to find out? Or can my article be moved to the public space for one of the Wiki reviewers to determine? PinkStaircase (talk) 16:34, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Like I said above, if you apply at WP:DRV they'll decide if it is sufficient or not. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:36, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

ok, thank you for your help PinkStaircase (talk) 16:48, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Fairfax

I have opened discussion on the talk page. He makes reverts anyway, then says the article needs reliable sources when it used to have 6 of them. I guess he removed the sources. I resourced it with a Time article citing the incident. Shouldn't that be relevant enough??? It's in the no contact section. You can read the talk page and see there has been a consensus to not remove it but he did anyway. http://en.wikipedia.org/Fairfax_County_Public_Schools 01:59, 12 September 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.0.1.204 (talk)

Well, you really have to deal with it on the talk page instead of just reverting. See WP:DR for details. You might want to think about an WP:RFC too. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:03, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks much

Hi Mark. Thanks much for the unprotection of Misplaced Pages:RefToolbar. I also must thank you again for your work on Church of the SubGenius. That article was WP:OWNed by church members for years and it's really great to finally have a proper article there. Thanks for the great work. 64.40.54.112 (talk) 02:14, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome! I hadn't realized we had met before when I saw the request, but now I remember you. Always good to see helpful IPs around :) Mark Arsten (talk) 02:16, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Delete plea

Hi Mark. I want to ask you to delete my user talk page. I'm planning to retire and I won't need it any more. Thanks in advance.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 13:27, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) User talk pages cannot be deleted at the user's request, because they can contain warnings, etc. posted by other users, and that needs to remain in the public archives (see policy on that here). You can blank it or replace its content with {{retired}}, though. Jackmcbarn (talk) 15:56, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

That's true. Also, user talk pages can "kind of" be deleted if you use the WP:RTV process (although the history will still exist, just under a different name). Mark Arsten (talk) 16:39, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

AFD procedure question

Hi, I notice you closed Intelligent Design (Historical)'s AFD with "Delete". In the future, what does our process say about adding any of that content to Intelligent design. After all, merging was a close runner up in the outcome, and was explicitly before you as an option, but you rejected it. Does wiki process allow, or frown, on going ahead and trying to add that to the other article anyway, i.e., after the "merge" option was rejected by the closing admin? No emotion here, just a genuine question about procedure. I probably won't work on it either way. Just seeking education to be a better informed ed. Thanks. Please include wikilinks in any reply. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 18:55, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, it's still possible for some of it to be selectively merged. I could undelete the history and leave a redirect if you'd like to take a shot at it. The thing is, though, you'd have to get consensus for your additions first on Talk:Intelligent design since it's a featured article. Might be tough, but there might be a case for working in some content from the 19th century in Intelligent design#Origin of the concept. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:16, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for reply, I just wanted procedural edification; I don't have the large amount of time it would take to navigate DR to do that.NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 21:55, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

WP:AN3

Thanks. I was just trying rather helplessly to find the right template for it, but you were quicker. :-) Bishonen | talk 20:00, 13 September 2013 (UTC).

Oops, didn't mean to steal your edit there, I didn't look at the timestamps and assumed it was several hours old for some reason. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:19, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

No, no, it's fine. Dividing up the action between doing the block and closing the thread is all to the good IMO, and I never did find the right template. I always get in a tizzy about these things, and worry about making it clear to the bot. (Or is that just on WP:RFPP? I'm more used to that board.) Bishonen | talk 20:32, 13 September 2013 (UTC).

Hmm, to be honest, I'm really not sure if a bot archives AN3 or not. I'll have to look into that. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:41, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Ganjaprenuer

Hello, Mark Arsten. You recently closed Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Ganjapreneur, noting consensus for soft redirect. Problem is, there is no entry at wikt:ganjapreneur. In fact, I can't find the word mentioned anywhere on Wiktionary. Cnilep (talk) 23:27, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Huh, I just assumed there was because the people in the Afd wanted it redirected to that. Guess I should have checked. I wonder what to do now. Well, I guess I'll delete it until someone makes an entry for it on Wiktionary then restore the soft redirect. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:31, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Syria

Just to let you know, an IP editor (presumably the same person who was vandalizing the Syrian Civil War Timeline article, although he appears to have switched IP yet again) left this profane message on the article's talk page attacking you personally. Might a rangeblock be in order? FiredanceThroughTheNight (talk) 00:06, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

My fan club is growing by the day ;) Mark Arsten (talk) 00:07, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Looks like a fairly large range, so there might be collateral damage if it's blocked. I don't know though, might want to get a second opinion on it. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:41, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Protect the article. PumpkinSky talk 01:04, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

The article's protected, we're just wondering what to do about the talk page now. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:15, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for your help this evening. Much appreciated. Cheers, JNW (talk) 01:21, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome, glad to help. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:22, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Vegetarianism, Part 2

Thanks for this. Before you did that, I was about to state: "Mark, the IP range that led you to protect the Vegetarianism article before (User talk:Mark Arsten/Archive the twelfth#Vegetarianism article) is back. I really think that the IP is a WP:Troll, given what is currently shown on the talk page. Mind semi-protecting this article again until the dispute is over? Well, hopefully, it will be over before whatever date you set for it...if you do semi-protect the article."

I guess that you still have the Vegetarianism article on your watchlist. Flyer22 (talk) 02:32, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Wow, I guess I timed that pretty well! Mark Arsten (talk) 02:37, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

LOL. Flyer22 (talk) 02:52, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Mark Arsten would you mind formally closing this discussion started by the IP? It's decidedly not constructive and pretty much a compendium of attacks directed at Flyer22. Thanks. Gaba 03:33, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, that really was heavy on the NPA violations. I'd block, but it would have to be a reasonably large rangeblock in this case, so I protected instead and hatted the section. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:45, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Mark, thanks for your work for Misplaced Pages. I would like to put my side of story. Flyer22 started personal attack against my good faith editing in the first place. I am not Flyer22's past enemy. I never talked to Flyer22 before. All I want to do is improve the scientific/academic quality of the article. But Flyer22 cannot engage in a scientific debate, just want to fight. 124.149.42.1 (talk) 04:06, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

I don't like to protect talk pages like that, but some of the comments you directed at Flyer in the Talk:Vegetarianism#Definitions_of_vegetarianism were clear violations of our WP:NPA policy. To be honest, I would have blocked you for them if you weren't on a dynamic IP. If you'd like me to unprotect that page, you'd first have to convince me that you'll adhere to our civility (WP:CIVIL) and no personal attacks policies. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:11, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. I always aware and adhere (WP:CIVIL). I disagree that I did personal attack. As we can see on the talk page, I did respond to Flyer22, described Flyer22's uncivil conducts. Because Flyer22 attacked me in the first place. I believe that you tried to maintain fairness as much as possible. I think you will equally consider the incivility of Flyer22, which is the cause of the dispute. I look forward to a quality academic debate on the topic of vegetarianism. 124.149.113.10 (talk) 04:37, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

I am also wondering, what kind of evidence you want about I am in good faith editing? I can provide more information.

I wrote ' I think you will equally consider the incivility of Flyer22', because of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith‎ . But apparently, some of the editors I talked to today, did the exactly opposite to me. 124.149.113.10 (talk) 05:47, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on content, not other contributors. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:56, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

'Please comment on content, not other contributors.' Will you or did you ask Flyer22 do so EQUALLY? I hope anyone told Flyer22. Did you somehow block Flyer22 so she cannot attack other editors or edit-warring? Sufficient time has passed, I am going to conclude my conversation on this page. Your intervention on the talk page is very unjust and disappointing. 124.149.166.160 (talk) 22:13, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

I haven't seen any attacks on other editors from her, to be honest. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:05, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Parents' Worship Day

Hi, how those closed with a "no consensus"? I expected a "speedy keep" or "keep" at least. --Tito☸Dutta 04:16, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, there was about an equal number of reasonably policy-based people on each side. It didn't seem to be that there was enough numerical superiority or lack of grounding in policy on either side, to me at least. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:10, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

• Policy based argument? Please show me a single valid delete vote argument there. a) the nominator did not give any rationale (he was asked twice, but, he did not write any), b) there is not a single valid argument to delete the article. I am still wondering why this article was nominated for deletion. --Tito☸Dutta 22:07, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, three participants argued that the article was unfit for inclusion due to its promotional nature, which is a legitimate argument to make. It didn't gain consensus, of course, but it's not so weak as to be disqualified as an argument as it has some basis in policy. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:04, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

HI, the reason i nominated this article in the first place is that, its plain ridiculous. 1. it is promotional 2. it lacks anything worth of an encyclopedia article 3. I couldn't find a single govt website or anything official that declared such a thing as recognized. 4. there is no "Parent's worship day", observed/followed/celebrated anywhere in India. It was probably a one time thing, some politicians gave a comment about, amongst 100s of other things they say and not be serious about. 5. there is not a single instance where a well-known newspaper says that some one celebrated it. the only instance to be found is this http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/worship-parents-on-valentines-day-asaram-bapu/1/171080.html and even this reads "Worship parents on Valentine's Day, says Asaram Bapu".

another reference gives a 404 not found http://www.statetimes.in/news/parents-worship-day-celebrated/ another link has nothing related to this article http://www.merinews.com/article/chhattisgarh-makes-parents-worship-day-a-compulsory-observance-in-schools-on-february-14/15881586.shtml&cp

6. only place you find mention of this, is at below promotional website for the same organization. http://www.mppd.ashram.org/ Regards EceNafri — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ecenafri (talk • contribs) 14:06, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Explanation request (continued)

Sorry for bringing this up again, but I forgot to ask something that might help me better understand how Misplaced Pages policy is applied: you explained why you decided not to block in that case, but why did you state that even an administrator warning was not called for? Dogmaticeclectic (talk) 06:27, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

I guess I felt that her edits fell into the "normal content disagreement" rather than the "edit warring" spectrum, to put it concisely. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:11, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

hey

you dumb. You is will be ban. I is own wiki. I speak good English next year. — ChedZILLA 13:12, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Will BeWhat? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:46, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

lol, I should save all my fan mail so I'll have something to look back on in my declining years. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:54, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Remember too, in Soviet Russia, IP blocks you! -- Diannaa (talk) 01:52, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Sunbeam Tiger page status

Hi Mark, I noted you're in some position to be familiar with the Wiki process. The Sunbeam Tiger article page has "Featured Article" status. Unfortunately, in the eyes of most Tiger owners that have visited and read the page, the status is more accurately represented by the "start" rating, because the editors appear to have reached factually (and easily proved to be) incorrect conclusions on most points of detail regarding the origins, development, and production of the Tiger. What is the appropriate process to lodge a dispute with the page content, other than to raise the issue on the corresponding Talkpage? The current editors seem to be loath to make changes because they spent a bunch of time getting to where they are, but they are quick to slam the door on anyone else providing input at this point regardless of how good the source of the information may be.TheoSmit (talk) 21:54, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, what matters is the sources. Anyone can show up on the talk page and say the page is wrong, so we require arguments about what is the truth of the matter to be verifiable (WP:V). So, to win the argument, you have to come up with reliable sources that confirm your claims (WP:IRS). If you feel that the article is contradicted by reliable sources and thus does not deserve to be featured, you can nominated its featured status for removal at WP:FAR. Note that nominations can only take place 6 months after the article's promotion and one week after concerns are first raised on the talk page. By the way, if you're subjected to personal attacks you're free to raise the issue at WP:ANI. Let me know if you have any more questions, Mark Arsten (talk) 23:09, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Sept 14th AfD for National Institue of Fashion (ludhiana)

Could you please help. Tito seems to have clearly taken a dislike to me because of a previous AfD that I argued was closed by him less then 23 hours after posting in which he seemed to me more guided by keeping an India project article up then anything else. It was reopened while I was offline, and closed again. I thought nothing of it till today. I posted an article for AfD that is clearly too soon. A minister in India announced a day or two ago that a fashion institute should be opened in a city. No firm plans are on hand, no money has been provided to fund it, heck no firm commitment to open it. It may or may not happen even. However Tito posts a vote more against the user then anything. When I reply back assuming he misunderstood that the article was about a new institute and not one currently open in a different state he let into a very personal attack. I replied back to give a response to what I see as an attack on the user and not the substance of the AfD. (I might concede it being notable if it wasn't for the only thing about it was an announcement two days ago saying one is needed) Either way it's far from a bad faith nom, and his follow up posting where he drags in my talk page history pointing directly to the section on the AfD I had argued was closed early shows me this is personal and not policy driven. Caffeyw (talk) 23:20, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm having a little trouble following your comments here, but I see DGG has posted on the page encouraging him to assume good faith. That's probably all that's needed for now. Maybe try to avoid him for a while if you can, as well? Mark Arsten (talk) 00:32, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Basically it boils down IMO to Tito wants India projects Kept, not deleted, or even marked no consensus. I believe I got on his bad side where I had asked for a reopening of a IMO bad NAC closing less then 23 hours after opening. Now it's attack the user arguing bad faith, when I've provided a very logical position that it's way too soon for an article. Basically nothing has happened other then two days ago a Minister announced that a city should get a campus of National Institute of Fashion. No money has been earmarked, no legislative approval has been given, there's no building plans, nothing other then a statement that a city should get a campus. I've put that makes it way too soon for a campus article. A mention on the main page of the institute sure, but an article on a campus that may or may not even open no. Caffeyw (talk) 06:47, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Saying that he just wants every Indian article kept is a bit unfair, isn't it? I'm sure he's operating in good faith himself, even if he should assume more good faith about your actions. Mark Arsten (talk) 07:01, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

FYI I was happy to leave this alone, however guy1980 seems to feel bringing an issue to you as admin is vote canvassing. That's a outrageous thing to say when I never asked you to vote at all. I asked you to take a look at an issue. All his post now does is tell people they are not welcome to bring issues to an admin. If anything it almost seems like two people have teamed up together now. I don't mind you choosing to ignore the issue on Tito, but IMO guy1980's actions have crossed a line. Caffeyw (talk) 15:26, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

• Generally one should report at ANI and not to an admin and inform the other editor as a "courtesy". The last AFD he is talking about, there his AFD's rational was "film will release after one month, so delete", he also called the film "non-notable", even a simple Google search shows many coverages, and if a film is releasing in few weeks, that is a reason to speedy keep and not to delete.
  I did not mind his "toosoon" point, but, he somehow added a "non-notable" allegation. A central government' national institute — non notable? And it is not he first or second time... see history of his talk page. And, he again feels, I want to "keep" all India articles, though in reality, I regularly give "delete" votes, and very recently I have converted few AFDs to speedy. --Tito☸Dutta 15:52, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Anyone that's been following what's been going on recently at AfD can see pretty clearly that there's a growing list of editors that are growing tired of cleaning up "Caffeyw's" messes. "Caffeyw" has been mostly ignoring/deleting messages that have been posted to their talk page, by other editors & administrators, that have been, at best, confused by their actions, and I'm trying to be nice here. They either need a mentor, or they need to stop accelerating their behavior at AfD and what appears to be the New Page Patrol. Newcomers to Misplaced Pages, like "Caffeyw", that end up biting other newcomers is pretty much pointless behavior. Guy1890 (talk) 07:26, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Finding a mentor sounds like a pretty good solution, actually. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:27, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	I hereby award you this barnstar for your help with F5 deletions. Your contributions are noticed and appreciated! Diannaa (talk) 01:46, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome, glad to help. I figured I'd branch out into some image work since there's plenty to be done! Mark Arsten (talk) 01:48, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Agira (Ultra monster)

Please restore this material Agira (Ultra monster) so it can be merged into List_of_Ultra_Seven_monsters or merge it there yourself. Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 01:59, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm hesitant to do so since no one in the deletion discussion supported a merge. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:34, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

What a disgrace

I can't believe you were convinced by this biased discussion and deleted the page Samuel Westrop. He was clearly a notable person, with hours of work put on creating his article. A shame to Misplaced Pages Yambaram (talk) 10:54, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, you're free to take it to WP:DRV if you like. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:44, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Nadine_Dorries_and_accusations_of_nepotism

As you have locked the page please read my comments here

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Nadine_Dorries_and_accusations_of_nepotism

and consider reenstating the headline in a form as I suggested — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.88.100 (talk) 11:27, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

I probably won't get involved any further in this, sorry. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:44, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

You're the one who locked the page - before we'd finished discussing it, to block me out. I provided the link everyone asked for. Now you've decided it doesn't matter what my arguments are - you're going to ignore them.

If you don't want to be involved then would you unlock the page please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.25.102 (talk) 21:25, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

From what I have read of your arguments at BLPN, I find them very unconvincing. So I'm not sure you'd be well served if I got further involved. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:41, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Could you expand on that? Just the word "Unconvincing" is a cop out. You've gone from saying you're slinging a deaf ear to dismissing everything I've said with one vague word. But you're unwilling to say how or why or to offer an argument that I could counter. You haven't made any argument to date at all. All you've done is lock the page and before you'd even heard what I had to say. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.25.102 (talk) 21:54, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, you were trying to put a negative slant on an article about a living person without the use of reliable sources, then all you've done on the BLPN page to back up said negative information is offer unreliable sources. That is totally against our rules. We take a very dim view of people who come here to push their POV, see WP:NPOV for details. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:13, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

No, I was giving a clear concise title. "Nepotism" which is exactly the word for the issue in question. I have moved half way in suggesting that it be changed to "Allegations of Nepotism" or something similar. I do not see how there can be any objection to that. That is what the issue is about - whether employing your daughters as an MP is appropriate. The title as you've put it completely fails to express that her employing her daughter is contentious. A bare statement that she employs her relatives ignore the whole point about why those details appeared in the newspaper at all.

Why is the Mirror article an unreliable source? Its not. I provided exactly what people were asking for - the exact words they asked for "Nepotism" and Dorries in a national newspaper. There are 200 MPs involved in this practice - in the many other articles in which they do not mention Dorries specifically they headline it with the word "Nepotism". I provided a Telegraph link for that. Nepotism is the one word in the English language for employing relatives. The issue of the 200 MPs (including Dorries) is given under Wikipedias own "Nepotism" page.

I happen to think she has practiced Nepotism but the title "Allegations of Nepotism" doesn't have my slant on it in any way at all. It is a totally neutral title saying what the issue is all about. As opposed to that being altogether absent in your title. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.25.102 (talk) 22:41, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

The mirror is indeed a poor source to be basing negative BLP information off of. Also, I don't see why we should call it "Allegations of Nepotism" since there are no allegations being made in that section. We would need good sources that discuss the allegations to include that. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:01, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

"The mirror is indeed a poor source to be basing negative BLP information off of". Its only being used as a source (because others asked for it) to establish that what she was being accused of is "nepotism" specifically. They asked for that exact word - the article does that - so its a perfect source. Its not being used as a source to establish whether or not the allegation is true - only that there is an allegation (there is -its there) so your argument about "basing negative BLP information off" is besides the point. I was asked to provide something specific and I did.

I didn't come up with "Allegations of Nepotism" - someone else did for the discussion title so I accepted that. That she employs her relatives is only of note because it is contentious and because it is regarded as nepotism and a practice that the chairman of the Committee on Standards in Public Life said should be banned

You'll allow a little piece that mentions the fact that she employs her relatives but demand that we omit that it is a matter of controversy. That's the only reason it appears in the source. I'm the one who created the section. I read it in my local newspaper and thought it was significant enough to add to her page.

I took the information from the source without putting any "negative slant" that you accuse me of at all - and chose the simplest most concise title possible "nepotism" to convey that aspect of it. But you've removed it and I can't change the article. So I suggest that you perhaps reintroduce the fact that her employing her daughters is controversial and regarded as nepotism by the Mirror and the Telegraph and most of the general public, rightly or wrongly, in whatever form of words or title you choose. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.41.237.79 (talk) 00:55, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

I'd consider noting that her actions generated controversy, but I'd have to see a good source stating as much first. Any recommendations? Mark Arsten (talk) 00:58, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

What is the objecton to including the fact that it is regarded as nepotism by all those sources? That's what the controversy is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.41.237.79 (talk) 01:14, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

You'll have to bear with me here, I've got a lot of things going on at once. Which sources other than the Mirror describe her actions as nepotism? Mark Arsten (talk) 01:17, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/6435511/MPs-expenses-let-them-pay-for-nepotism-themselves.html

http://conservativehome.blogs.com/centreright/2009/06/in-praise-of-nepotism.html

http://blogs.birminghampost.co.uk/news/2009/08/a-little-nepotism-is-a-good-th.html

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/mps-claim-more-now-than-they-did-before-the-expenses-scandal-8814520.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mp-has-three-family-members-on-his-staff-list-2063316.html

http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/iain-macwhirter/goodbye-nepotism-and-tax-evasion-how-will-our-poor-mps-manage-1.929659 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.41.237.79 (talk) 01:30, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Unless I'm mistaken, none of those sources seem to mention Nadine Dorries. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:58, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

No they don't single out Nadine Dorries there are 200 MP's involved so they're not going to mention each one. But as someone who employs her daughters and who is an MP they clearly refer to her.

These mention her:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10307458/MPs-expenses-How-MPs-could-avoid-the-trouble-and-strife.html

http://www.ukwirednews.com/news.php/4154-MPs-second-mortgages-and-nepotism-banned

This is about her: about 9 of the comments on the first page use the word "nepotism".

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/06/19/nadine-dorries-pays-student-daughter-philippa-39k-_n_1609139.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.31.31.212 (talk) 18:44, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

There are any number of blogs.

http://order-order.com/2010/08/25/keeping-it-in-the-family/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.31.31.212 (talk) 18:49, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

I don't know about the reliability of ukwirednews, but blogs and the Huffington Post are poor sources for a BLP. The Telegraph piece seems to be an op-ed piece, and we really can't change a header in an article because a phrase is indirectly used in one column like that. It seems like you're twisting and straining the sources to come to a certain conclusion here, so you can use negative language in this BLP. It doesn't seem like reliable sources at support the language you're trying to use here. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:58, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm not twisting and straining - it took me hardly any time to find those. You have an absurd objection to including the word everyone uses for people employing their relatives in public service - nepotism. Not saying she's practised it - but that there is a controversy re nepotism. I've provided a MASS of evidence that that is the case. But I clearly should have taken the more-than-a-hint when you initially said you were going to give a deaf ear to anything I might say.

If you recall, I suggested above that you change the article to reintroduce the fact that employing the daughters is controversial because you removed it, and locked me out. If you're not prepared to do so, then their is nothing I can do about that. And if "nepotism" is a taboo word despite it being THE word for it - then so be it. But your approach which anyone can read above really does you no credit. I've had enough so won't be making any more comments. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.31.31.212 (talk) 19:35, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Righdamhna reinstated

See - this editor just doesn't get it, I was about to warn him but I'm leaving it to you if you don't mind - you were the closing Admin and turned it into the redirect, and I've already warned him so many times he may not take me seriously. An IP has changed it back to the redirect. Dougweller (talk) 15:03, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads' up, protected now. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:44, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Gundam article

Please userify the Timelines of Gundam to my user page; I have been greatly distracted with side drama, but whether or not I assert 150-300 primary and secondary sources the page was incomplete and a multi billion dollar franchise comprising hundreds of works far surpassing Lord of the Rings in scope and complexity. The Timeline of Arda page has numerous resources including secondary sources. Gundam's complexity, like Macross and other works have numerous articles about this and NRVE and BEFORE show that the complex work needs to be in appropriate context somewhere and a list of media as they are presented chronologically serves a clear and demonstrated purpose. I feel that this deletion was wrong because it was not "any effort to re-create or uphold the illusion of the original fiction by omitting real-world info." the biggest difference is that in the thirty years of a consistent timeline comprising hundreds of hours of video and thousands of pages contained in books/mangas and additional supplementary material is important to address the placement of the works themselves because Gundam is one of the few series that spans hundreds of years. Even a page like Dune (franchise) including the inclusion of its chronology on that page helps readers understand the subject and that is why it should be included. At this point, I'd prefer it userified if my arguments alone are not enough to justify its inclusion at this point. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 15:44, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Ok, userfied it. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:44, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Continued reversions on femininity

Please note that the IP user has continued to revert-war on femininity. See and - other editors have reverted and the IP user shows no signs of stopping the edit war. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 18:10, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I think our IP friend needs to take a break from reverting for a while. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:14, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Northkeep Merge

I have just completed the Northkeep merge as per the AFD you closed, but I may not have done it correctly/completely. If you have a few minutes could you make sure it has been merged correctly and fix anything I left out? Thanks.Vulcan's Forge (talk) 18:23, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Looks good for the most part. The only thing is you should have stated in this edit summary which page you were merging from. It's pretty obvious looking at it, but it's best to include that in the edit summary anyway. Thanks for doing that merge. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:32, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Gone Home edit

You cant deny that what i said about it is true though — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.238.122.18 (talk) 19:31, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

You may be right, yes, but you shouldn't add that to the article. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:07, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Paul Bannon

Hello, in July you protected Paul Bannon for edits made by a sockpuppet. The protection has expired and the vandal is back, could you please revert and protect again? Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 22:11, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

How could it possibly be vandalism if links are being ADDED to the page???? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.254.167 (talk) 22:16, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Mark, IP now reverting Paddy McCourt, could you do the same? Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 22:23, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Hey JMHamo how about answering the question??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.254.26 (talk) 22:30, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

IP hopping, sigh JMHamo (talk) 22:34, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Ok, protected that too. IP, I encourage you to propose changes on the talk page instead of edit warring over them. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 00:02, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Sigh all you want. Struway2 saw your vandalism and reverted because it was ADDING information. For your information a vandal is someone who routinely undoes work. And Mark there is no need to protect pages when information is being added. It does not matter who does it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.254.21 (talk) 20:01, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Regardless of the merit of your additions, edit warring is considered disruptive (hence why I protected). Please make your case on the talk page. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:07, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

WP:RFPP

Hey Mark, thanks for the quick response to my request at WP:RFPP for Atlantic Records. Before I made the request I was not aware of this as I assume you were not either. Looks like the page had just finished its second year long semi-protection in a row. Judging by the immediate vandalism, looks like we might need a two year protection or maybe indefinite semi-protection. Either way, thanks for taking the time to look over WP:RFPP, it seems like whenever you don't it takes two-three days to get a response just for the reports to go stale. STATic message me! 00:29, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

My mistake, I should have checked the log for past protections. You're welcome, I recall that I always hated the wait for a page to be protected, so it's great that I can help now. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:31, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Owens hoax AfD

I don't see how you got consensus for delete out of that discussion. The nom's claim that the only mention of it since 2008 was a passing one in 2012 got debunked promptly when an editor pointed out a significant mention in 2011 and I can debunk it further. Another vote said "delete or merge" and another was a delete that essentially argued some sort of "aid and comfort to the enemy" rationale rather than any legitimate policy-based reason. Clearly, no consensus existed in that discussion.--The Devil's Advocate _{tlk. cntrb.} 04:00, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Ehh, I guess I could relist it if you feel that strongly about it. Mark Arsten (talk) 05:06, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Removing AFDs from Wikiprojects

Hello. I've noticed a few articles that you have deleted because of an AFD discussion. While I'm not disputing the lack of notability on those articles, is there any reason that they can't just be redirected to another article, rather than completely being removed from Misplaced Pages? Specifically, the article for Sharkticon could have easily been redirected to another Transformers article, which would have prevented you from having to remove the link from so many other Transformers articles. It just seems to me that for navigational purposes, it would have been better to point that link somewhere else, rather than remove it from the project entirely. Fortdj33 (talk) 13:17, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, deletion doesn't preclude redirection, so you're free to do that now if you wish. I tend to close Afds rather conservatively, so I usually won't redirect if most of the !voters voice support for deletion. There weren't that many participants in this discussion, though, so I grant that it wasn't completely clear what to do. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:56, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

I understand, but what's the point in creating a redirect now, if the link would have to be re-added to all the articles that would use that link? I know that this was probably better suited for the AfD discussion, but I don't understand why it was necessary to remove all traces of that link from related articles. Wikiprojects have Redirect-Class for a reason, but deleting the article just removes the redirect from those projects, and lessens the possibility of that material being expanded. Fortdj33 (talk) 16:25, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, the Afd is generally the place for this kind of thing, but anyway: usually when I delete an article I remove backlinks since there isn't any use to having a redlink to a deleted article. In some cases when I redirect I leave the backlinks in. I'm not sure that those links were doing very much good in this case though, since the redirect still doesn't lead to much discussion of the topic. If you feel strongly about it, you can revert my link removals in this case. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:30, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, it's nothing personal against you. I personally don't have any problem creating redirects and adding redirect-class to the talk pages, but I don't know that it's worth it to undo all the work that you did just for a redirect. As a member of {{WikiProject Transformers}}, I know that other members would prefer to at least leave a redirect as part of the project for deleted articles. Unfortunately, there is not enough activity on that project for those editors to participate in the AfD discussions...Thanks again for the clarification though! Fortdj33 (talk) 16:52, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Cheetah hunt

You deleted my article on cheetah hunt.But why?

I didn't delete your article, I just reverted one edit. I think the tone you used here wasn't fit for an encyclopedia. We try to avoid addressing the reader as "you" and telling the user what a "great way to start your day" is not neutral. See WP:NPOV for details. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:56, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Request to have a look at Ready Flower wiki page

Hi, hope you are good. Considering your comments on Ready Flowers page, the page has been redone with an effort to quote secondary references. Altough some IPs keep reverting the page, i would request you to have a look on the changes by CaliforniaSun2013 and myself. Your unbiased opinion on the peer review has led us to believe that you are the best guide for us on this edit. Thanks alot. Ready_Flowers--ThinkDone (talk) 14:58, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

The important thing to do is to discuss the proposed changes on the article's talk page instead of continuing to revert. See WP:BRD for details. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:01, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Note that Chaklalajob/ThinkDone's edits have been based on a gross misrepresentation of a source - I have raised this on the article talk page and made it clear that if this occurs again, I shall ask that Chaklalajob/ThinkDone be blocked from editing. Given the clearly promotional tone of the edits, I suggest that Chaklalajob/ThinkDone familiarises him/herself with WP:COI policy. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:15, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Ok, well, they won't be able to revert for a few days at least. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:22, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Is it OK?

Hello Sir ... ref. Shekhar Gurera, do you feel that User:Gurera/Shekhar Gurera page is OK for submission? regards --Gurera (talk) 15:48, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

It looks ok, I suggest you apply for undeletion at WP:DRV now, telling them about the draft you've created. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:55, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

• a) Write the biography in prose (not list) b) don't use Hindi or other Wikipedias as reference, c) The Times of India is very helpful. Mark Arsten, I think their this ToI ref is an excellent one. Is not it? Add at least one-two more refs like that. No problem if its in Hindi. If you do not have online copy, you can refer offline too (a scanned copy of such papers might be helpful, don't upload in Misplaced Pages), d) I am not sure, how you own copyright of those images. 4) don't put references in a box. That's all for now. --Tito☸Dutta 17:05, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

• Yes, very good advice that would probably help lead to success at DRV. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:09, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello Sir ... thanks a lot for your collective advice ... a) biography is in prose, only Awards and Honors are in lists due to the reason of maximum info in less text b) Hindi wp link already removed c) as like TOI there r more such references with some details Sunday Mail (Hindi), The Hindu-New Delhi, The Statesman, Kolkata d) putting references in a box was just to make them compact; that also been removed! ... Now kindly after having a fresh look at the page, can you please advise if i should Submit the page! (link in the top tag of the page) or WP:DRV If DRV, then can i please get brief technical help how to submit it? Regards --Gurera (talk) 04:53, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

• a) actually the article is mainly a list at this moment. See other similar article for help: Category:Indian cartoonists. b) Hindi Wiki —ok c) why did not you provide these links at the AFD? Those are superb. d) no, we don't put references in boxes. +++ e) it depends on you whether you want to DRV (DRV means "deletion review", a place where you can request to undelete your first article), or submit it at AFC/rewrite it. --Tito☸Dutta 08:35, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

• And how do you own copyright of those cartoon images? Are you Shekhar Gurera ? --Tito☸Dutta

ok sir, done ... a) now Awards and Honors is in prose form, c) what is AFD? these links from the prints are already there as S.No: 15, 16 & 17 in References e) as long as DRV is concerned v wont like to undelete the first article coz that might had some mistakes with less contents, v'll like to focus to replace this final edited with a lot efforts to fine tune it with maximum contents at d same name (got deleted, due to some carelessness editing, may b due to d unawareness of DOs & DONTs) but now v don't want to take risk of any wrong decision :D .. better if u please advise us the appropriate way of submission out of these two ways under d name Shekhar Gurera only
No, v r close associates to Mr Gurera, one of us is his younger son, the main photo clicked by him, he himself provided the necessary information to rectify the old one and now even a set of some clippings of his work, and v designed the collage from it for WP. regards --Gurera (talk) 15:23, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

• a) Remove all tripod links, b) remove all small date formatting, c) I have added few tags, fix those, d) this is the "Article for deletion (AFD)" Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Shekhar Gurera --Tito☸Dutta

• I think I'll just outright restore it when you guys are done working on it, since the Afd rationale is not valid anymore. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:26, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

ok .. v'll do as per the need .. i hv some doubts due to a big confusion, if u can also go thru it, and help us

• 1) as u refered Indian cartoonists for the format ... most of the pages r incomplete but at R K Laxman the Awards, Bibliography & Multi-media are already in points n dates form 2) as like TOI u also likes these references with more details Sunday Mail (Hindi), The Hindu-New Delhi, The Statesman, Kolkata which were at S.No: 15, 16 & 17 in References ... but on the other moment these all have been deleted from the page
• ok Mark sir ... v r doing our best n will get back with u soon :)Gurera (talk) 22:05, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

• Laxman article has lots of prose content. And it is nice to see you have an article in that category to argue that writing in list is acceptable. You have not fixed the issues mentioned in my last post. In addition, send image permission to commons:Com:OTRS. I do not know what you mean by "Sunday Times" etc references were deleted. Those look fine. --Tito☸Dutta 02:59, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Morning sir .. tkx! in any case, it also depend upon person to person that how much mentionable matter they have for prose or for lists. To fix the issues from the last post v need little more time. .. abt. commons:Com:OTRS excuse me, v r not exactly aware from the technicalities, was there any needful pending from ourside? .. Yeah, those references were actually attached / related to the one last section Comments with 4 points, which was been deleted / omitted this time, v r not aware what necessary needful v need to do for them. ragds Gurera (talk) 05:30, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

• Hello Mark sir, i think, with our best efforts, after fixed all the issues, the job has been completed from our side, you can proceed as per your convinence. Regds Gurera (talk) 15:43, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
  • It still has few more issues. You were suggested to remove "all" tripod references. I am assuming good faith, but, please send permission to OTRS team as soon as possible, else those images may be deleted. Please remove all Hindi scripts from the article too. Do not use unnecessary bold formatting in the article. The article is in much better condition now. --Tito☸Dutta 15:52, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

oh sir .. no need to put 'but' after 'good faith' it was just a matter of slip from mind .. in fact, after posting my last message, it immediately striked me in mind abt d tripod links ... they hav already been removed within a few minutes .. hindi text / bold formatting has also been removed ... direct email permissions-commons@wikimedia.org for OTRS permission has also been sent for all the 4 images for this page ... now what else u feel pending?? regds Gurera (talk) 18:46, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Ok, it's back at Shekhar Gurera now. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:00, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

• I have made some formatting changes. You may try WP:DYK Tito☸Dutta 19:01, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

thanks a lot Mark Arsten sir for your concern & efforts for reactivating d page ... also thanks to Titodutta sir for the same help editorially n technically ... regards ... good night!!! Gurera (talk) 19:20, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome, glad to help. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:43, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Pierre Fabre

Hi Mark, I had finally gotten the previous editors to delete this misleading information, and, unfortunately, it is here again. There is already a page for the Pierre Fabre of pharmaceutical company note. This page was created as a link from the "LONE SIGNAL" page. I am president of Lone Signal. My name is Pierre Fabre. As I had to explain to the last person who made this same edit, I don't believe the aim of Misplaced Pages is to spread misinformation; but people are going to get the wrong impression that this, unfortunately deceased, Pierre Fabre is the person who founded Lone Signal. That is not the case. Please let me know how I can be of help. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.46.94 (talk) 16:44, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, could you explain more clearly what you would like me to do here? Mark Arsten (talk) 16:54, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I see I reverted your edit here. We try to keep each article focused on one person. If you think the other Pierre is notable, you can create an article on him and add a WP:HATNOTE to the other. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:58, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

AfD Close

Mark, you can probably just go ahead and close Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/University of Michigan Men's Glee Club. There were only two delete !votes, and I changed mine after the article was significantly expanded. There's now a clear consensus for keep. I'd consider NACing it myself, were I not involved. Livit⇑/_What? 12:39, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Ok, thanks, I'll take a look at it next time I get to the Afd queue. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:25, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello Mark, i am done editing and adding citations

To recap, you have kindly opened User:0811gv/Gilflo‎ for my to edit since it was deleted due to not having any citations. I have added the citations/references needed. I hope this will allow the article to be revived now that it can be verifiable. Thank you again sincerely for your help in this matter and please let me know if there is anything else needed. 0811gv (talk) 17:59, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm still not sure that there is enough coverage of him to demonstrate his notability, but you are free to appeal the deletion to WP:DRV if you think there is. Make sure to mention your draft there. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:12, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

a Lot of his stuff is tv related which the "rules and guidelines" are Strict on what can and cant be used, when IMDB is usually the only thing that is used to track these kind of things for people. He was nominated for a grammy, as far as work he has done, I gave direct links to that, I don't understand what else is so needed. Misplaced Pages isn't even a reliable source to use whilst in school, but yet wiki is extremely strict on what can be used for validity. It doesn't make sense. There are many things that I left out on things he is doing and has done, but there is no direct links that can verify it as per the internet, magazine. 0811gv (talk) 21:14, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Ok, well, if you used all the good sources you could find, you might as well go for WP:DRV. There may just not be enough sources though. BTW, you could ask for help at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Musicians, as well. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:20, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

can it stay in the state (the purgatory domain) that it is in right now for a bit more? He is about to close a deal with Hasbro Inc. which he is doing a campaign for the twister game/product. Once this closes, it will be another huge source to add to the site, plus I will keep gathering more. Please let me know if this can be done. 0811gv (talk) 21:52, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Yeah sure, take all the time you need. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:47, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

https://www.facebook.com/jqharrison?fref=ts — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.3.188.236 (talk) 02:52, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Protection of Template:States with limited recognition

Looks like you accidentally move protected this page rather than edit protected it. Could you fix this? Thanks! TDL (talk) 23:11, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Good catch, my bad. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:16, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

In Reply to Logan Bartholomew concern

Hello, Mark. If I removed anything, I am not conscious of it. This is what I added, "In 2013, he took over the role of Jason Stevens from Drew Fuller, in the prequel/sequel to 2007's The Ultimate Gift, The Ultimate Life." How do you think I removed anything, and what did I remove? Thanks. Wesbrooks (talk) 02:37, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:45, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

It was indeed, a mistake. I thought I was deleting blank space, as it appeared on Beta Edit. What specifically needs to be restored? I don't recall what was there to begin with. Sorry for the trouble. Wes Brooks 02:49, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

I re-added the information you had put in, so it's in there now. The beta editing interface causes that problem a lot, don't worry. Do you have a source to back up the information you wanted added? You should add that to the article now if you would. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:57, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

In regards to:

Hi Mark, I understand but the word "emigrated" is linked to maybe it should be linked to this Shellyperlman (talk) 04:02, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I think the latter would be a better link. Mark Arsten (talk) 05:05, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

In Regards to

Hi Mark, My name is Sunil and I see that you deleted my name as a famous Wagle. I would like to ask you why did that. My company Greenculture was the first green e-commerce retailer. We were regularly featured in magazines, and newspapers and did lots of business in the United States and overseas. Here are some online stories of me and the company: http://www.internetretailer.com/mobile/2007/04/19/riverwired-com-launches-as-green-web-portal-for-the-eco-co. Also, see here: http://legacy.utsandiego.com/news/uniontrib/mon/business/news_lz1b1ads.html. Also, see here: http://www.sanantonio.gov/clerk/ethics/HB914CIS/200809/SunilWagleGreenCulture.pdf. Also, see here: http://voices.yahoo.com/top-five-eco-friendly-online-furniture-retailers-839073.html?cat=30. Also, see here:http://www.gaithersburgmd.gov/Documents/environment/rainbarrel_handouts.pdf. If you look here we are listed here: http://www.co.ocean.nj.us/solidwaste/.%5C%5CPDFs%5CBackyardCompostingDemoSite.pdf. Anyway, I feel there is a legitimate reason for me to be listed here and ask that you reinclude my name in the list of wagles. As you can see above, we were in the Internet Retailer top 500 for many years. This company did over $50 million in revenue which seems notable. I think I may not be posting this in the correct area so I apologize in advance if I am posting this in the wrong location. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.4.65.63 (talk) 20:37, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I don't believe I've ever deleted your name from that article. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:44, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

--Hi Mark, can you please help me and find out who did make this change and deletion. The other admin who could help me just retired and I am still new and do not know how to find out. Thanks so much. Sunil — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swagle (talk • contribs) 23:55, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand. Someone deleted an article you want restored? What was the name of the article? Mark Arsten (talk) 00:25, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

--HI Mark. The article is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/Wagle. I was listed as a Notable person on this page. It said. Sunil Wagle, Founder of GREENCulture. This was removed by someone and I thought that person was you. I don't really know who the person is who deleted that but I feel it should be restored. Can you please help me with how this can happen? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swagle (talk • contribs) 06:23, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Fortress Brookvale

Hi Mark, Just letting you that the change made on Brookvale Oval's Wiki page, regarding 'Fortess Brookvale' is accurate and true. If you could update the page as I did so, it would be very much appreciated. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.59.227.245 (talk) 02:04, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

So it's this edit we're talking about? My apologies if you weren't vandalizing. It looked to me like you were saying that the stadium's nickname has been "Wallace" since 2005, which seemed like a joke to me. You are free to re-add your change. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:07, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Have you seen this movie?!

Hi Mark,

The last thing I want is for Misplaced Pages to contain inaccurate or misleading information. That being said, have you seen "Never Say Never Again"? Because if you have, you'd understand why I made the changes I did to the plot summary. From the breathtaking opening scenes miles above the Earth's surface, to the dynamite climax deep in the heart of a desert oasis, Never Say Never Again keeps the audience on the edge of their seats. This film is a classic hallmark of action cinema, and after reading this script it's easy to see why Sean Connery "never said never again" to playing his most famous role. Kim Bassinger is simply stunning in her role as Domino and has gone down in history as one of the most famous Bond Girls of all time. Especially after comparing this treat to the "official" EON-sanctioned Bond film released that year, the disastrous Octopussy, Never Say Never Again is an enduring testament to sticking to the basics and returning to what made James Bond such a timeless character to begin with. With such a dynamite cast, breakneck pacing, and pitch-perfect direction by Irvin Kershner, I have no choice but to replace all those periods with exclamation marks. The world doesn't deserve anything different. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.226.122.44 (talk) 02:31, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Very funny :) Mark Arsten (talk) 02:53, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Who do contributors escalate to beyond administrators?

Who do I escalate my issues with the disrupted behavior of Esoglou to now that you have closed my admin noticeboard posting on Esoglou? If it belongs to a different board I request your assistance on where and how to post. LoveMonkey 22:37, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Click here and explain your concerns and then some uninvolved admins will take a look at it and weigh in. I closed the previous report since that board is just for edit, and a report about violating editing restrictions is better handled elsewhere. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:42, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

I have created a notice. Please review it if you have time to confirm if the notice is appropriate. LoveMonkey 00:10, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

It's Ok, but you have to notify User:Esoglou that you're talking about him. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:25, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you I appreciate the help. LoveMonkey 01:09, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Vandal hitting Emma Pillsbury's been at it for days

Mark, thanks for protecting Emma Pillsbury. It's the latest article to be attacked by a vandal who's been using a string of IP proxies to go after articles, including several Glee-related ones (so far, Glee (TV series), Kurt Hummel, and Chris Colfer have had to be protected, and now Emma).

I've been reporting these incursions to Material scientist at User talk:Materialscientist#IP blocked four hours ago already back?; the latest two, which were used in the vandalism on Emma Pillsbury and should doubtless be blocked are 118.85.208.222 and 118.195.65.250—the former just left a post on my talk page (the second by the vandal) that I'd appreciate being hidden as well. Can you block them, or should I ask someone else? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:00, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, I think I've seen this guy before. Ok, I think I've blocked and revdeleted them, let me know if you need anything else. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:10, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks. Will do. I rather suspect there will be many more proxy IPs to go; I hope they find a way to close the door on his edits. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:14, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Mark, looks like the same person at 182.50.66.67, which you've already given a couple of warnings to, though in some cases just annoying vandalism rather than ugly. I just reverted on Skyfall, which was trending toward the ugly. Time to bring down the hammer? BlueMoonset (talk) 02:25, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

 Done Mark Arsten (talk) 02:26, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. There was this very odd series of edits to Jane Lynch earlier today—one of the articles that has been hit before by blocked IPs (and was hit by the one just blocked) by 190.79.134.118; it was the similarity in edit summary wording that caught my eye. Is there a way of checking this for being a proxy, or is the point to not do anything until a line has clearly been crossed? BlueMoonset (talk) 02:32, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

There probably is a way to check if it's a proxy, but I haven't done anything like that before. User:Materialscientist would probably be a better person to ask about that. Also, Are there any pages that our friend has been hitting that are still unprotected? I think liberal use of semi-protection might be our best bet at this point. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:34, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

One of the ones first hit was Glee (TV series), using three separate IP addresses over five hours. Kudpung protected it for three days, but that protection expires in about two and a half hours; I expect this one to be vandalized if protection isn't extended, and it's probably the most frequently viewed article of all these. The only two non-Glee-related ones I can think of from early in the vandal's career were both hit in the past few hours: 90210 (TV series) was protected for three days by Discospinster, and you protected GLAAD. I think for any others, it'll be on a "what's hit" basis, and I'll let you know if I notice anything untoward. I'll drop a note to Materialscientist on that one IP that might be a proxy. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:22, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

RevDelete

Thanks for it on my tp! Dan653 (talk) 03:11, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

No prob, let me know if you need anything else revdelted/semi-protected/blocked etc. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:13, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Will do, it's been an interesting night, vandal info templates been pretty low, but there's been plenty of vandalism. Dan653 (talk) 03:16, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

IM SORRY

it was an accident I did not mean to spell bane It was supposed to be banned 72.238.148.204 (talk) 03:31, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

inspiring a sense of mystery in kids

Hello again, Mark! It was extremely pleasant to hear from you on one of my last additions! Thank you, and I do mean that sincerely. You are far more wise than I am at this time, and I do trust your foresight. I am done editing wikipedia for a while, but I do hope that by my additions I could inspire hope and mystery in at least one person on this earth. I cannot stress enough how much I do appreciate your tireless work to keep the world safe, while promoting virtually-free knowledge. When I do make it, financially, you can be CERTAIN that this encyclopedia will be supported. "It takes a village to raise a child"--one great old manager of mine And yes, in my free time I do read the encyclopaedia wikipedia. Thank you and thank you, because one thing I've learned, is that one can never say "thank you" too much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.94.92.181 (talk) 03:37, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

To be honest, what you wrote was very nice. But unfortunately, it was a bit too speculative for inclusion in Misplaced Pages. Sorry! Mark Arsten (talk) 03:40, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Dixie Carter (wrestling) Edit about a heel turn

I've been watching wrestling since I was a baby. I've been backstage quite a few times, and got a feel for how the booking works. I added the section about her heel turn based on the YouTube video Impact Wrestling released just a few minutes ago. She made a promo disparaging A.J. Styles, a face character (hero), which turned her into a villain (Heel) due to her being booed heavily by the fans. You may watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQYOLXnbeFM&list=PLcovtt7Bdo9MJhjl3d9xNJ7u095SpiXTS to see what I am talking about, but I have never, and will never vandalize an article or add things that are either a)not in sync with current events, b)not true, or c) have been instructed on the edit page not to do so. Thank you and good night. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.33.17.30 (talk) 03:48, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi, it's fine to make that addition to the article if you have a reliable source to back up your claim. Just make sure to cite the source in the article with your addition. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:50, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Replaced deleted photo

As you suggested previously, I replaced the verboten image on the cold fusion talk page with a link (but I forgot to sign it so will go back and fix that). --Brian Josephson (talk) 08:41, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, non-free images can't be used on talk pages at all. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:41, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

File:Yevadu Cd Cover.jpg

Thank you for taking the right Decision sir :) Regards, Raghusri (talk) 13:02, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:41, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Carol Paul (2nd nomination)

Hi - is there any way I can userfy that article. I put some work into it finding sources and might consider redoing it as a book article. I can find the sources again but it would be convenient to have the text. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 16:09, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, the history is intact, will that work? Or do you need it in your userspace? Mark Arsten (talk) 16:11, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Oh sorry got it, thanks! -- Green Cardamom (talk) 17:11, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Aam Aadmi Party debate

Can you please go through the talk page of this article & comment your opinion on 'battery operated ricksha driver protest'

Summary of it is as below.

Topic- Which of the two versions be preferred to go into the protest section of 'Article'

Option A -

ADD - The AAP has supported various regulatory complaints raised by rickshaw operators in Delhi.

KEEP - the rest of the 'protest' section as it is.

Option B -

ADD - On 16 September 2013, Aam Aadmi Party supported e-rickshaw driver's demand in Delhi that there should be a policy on battery operated rickshaws in the capital city to stop their exploitation by Delhi Transport Department. Party also said that a subsidy should be given to manual rickshaw drivers who want to purchase e-rickshaws. Earlier in June 2013, the party had supported agitations of rickshaw drivers against ban on advertisements on auto rickshaws alleging that the ban is imposed because most rickshaw drivers supported Aam Aadmi party & carried their banners.

remove - On 10 June 2013, Kejriwal supported the agitation of Delhi auto rickshaw drivers, who were protesting the Delhi government's ban on advertisements on auto rickshaws. Kejriwal claimed that, auto rickshaw drivers supported his party and they carried AAP's advertisements on their auto rickshaws and this is the reason for Delhi Government's ban and he challenged that volunteers of AAP will put 10,000 advertisements on auto rickshaws as a protest.

There is no conflict over the validity of citations.--ratastro (talk) 05:37, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I probably won't get involved there any further. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:47, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

User talk:222.222.24.146

Please review all this user's User talk:222.222.24.146 contribs if you can and then block indef as a spam only account. For security reasons I am unable to log in with my admin account at the moment because I'm on a very public insecure WiFi hotspot. Cheers, Kudpung. --110.78.157.146 (talk) 09:26, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up--reverted and blocked. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:45, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Removed section, slyck

In reply to your issue i would very much like to include a link to source material, but much of the material was removed from the site at the time of the incident and the material that put the administrations position in question is no longer available.

The moderator who left the site is also no longer available. I certainly have digital copies of the reasons he gave for leaving, but i would have to upload them to a secondary site in order to link to them. No third party source exists to my knowledge.

That being said, the incident is common knowledge among the site regulars and was an ongoing issue for many months. I would expect there to be no contention that a moderator really did leave the site due to feeling that certain members were being unfairly treated. I suspect that site management is simply removing the reference because they do not want to be reminded of it or have to show it on their wiki, not because they have any dispute over the existence of the issue.

If there is some more correct way to put that information forward i am more than happy to hear your suggestions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.245.160.106 (talk) 23:57, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, we generally require sources to be provided with additions to articles, see WP:RS & WP:V for details. If you can't find any sources for the content, it's really best to just not add it. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:00, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Oh, there certainly are sources, i am simply not sure how to reference them correctly.

The main source of course is the message sent from the moderator who left the group in protest....

"...

this message really has nothing to do with the thread in question.

i'd just like to let you know that, although i invariably disagree with the things you post, i can think of nothing worse than someone arbitrarily deciding that someone (you) cannot post what they think.

i very rarely agree with your opinion but i seriously believe that you have the right to state your opinion just like anyone else.

apparently this view of mine is not universal.

it's recently come to my attention there is a movement to have you banned from slyck.

i don't like this, and i have vehemently opposed it.

those in control of these things will say that they're banning you for all sorts of nonsense reasons (in my opinion). you are abusive; you're a troll. etc...

i've done my best to make the powers-that-be see reason, and i will quit as a slyck moderator before i see this happen.

continue to post as you always have done. if i think what you say is full of shit, then i'll say so, without abusing you personally. if you think what i say is full of shit, then you say so, without abusing me personally.

as far as i can tell, this is what we've been doing anyway.

so if you don't see me on slyck again, this is why.

all the best, ...

However the only reference to it has been removed from the forum after the issue.

Yeah, we generally want third-party sources for additions to articles. Looks like it might just be best to leave this out. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:09, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

No, i am not satisfied with that response.

Reading the rules you pointed me towards it appears the references you are referring to are only for use if the information in question is "challenged or likely to be challenged," In this particular case no challenge has been made, primely as the material in question is entirely factual and not in question. Certainly the wording has been questioned and the section has been removed due to the sites vanity, but you can check back through the talk section if you like. It is clear nobody has challenged the factual basis of the statement. If you read their statements it is actually clear they do believe there to be people of that nature on the site, and the paragraph has been worded to make it clear it concerns the forum staff and not the site management. I see no other dispute, this event is common history for Slyck regulars.

Obviously there will never be third party sources given for material provided by a whistleblower and the copy of the chat conversation will be the only evidence brought forward by any party, and as i see it that evidence supports the facts as stated.

If anybody has a different set of events they believe happened and wish to put it forward i would have thought it would be mentioned in the talk page at some point.

Clearly they did not because they do not have a true dispute with the events, they simply do not want the bad publicity on their page, for this i have no sympathy. If they want to avoid the disgrace of having their dirty laundry aired in public they should make a public statement of apology rather than remove all reference to their past actions.

Long story short, i still see no reason to think this information is in dispute or that it should not be a part of the page, unless you have some further insight i have every intention of adding the section again in some manner.

If you have issue with some aspect of the piece i would greatly appreciate your input on a more diplomatic manner to word the facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.245.160.106 (talk) 21:51, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Suggesting instead to use the following, personally i prefer the earlier version, but this one is simply a statement of the moderators words and is more factual if that is a concern.......

After many long conversations on religion one of the long serving members of the forum team sent this message to another menber and then left the forum.

"this message really has nothing to do with the thread in question. i'd just like to let you know that, although i invariably disagree with the things you post, i can think of nothing worse than someone arbitrarily deciding that someone (you) cannot post what they think. i very rarely agree with your opinion but i seriously believe that you have the right to state your opinion just like anyone else. apparently this view of mine is not universal. it's recently come to my attention there is a movement to have you banned from slyck. i don't like this, and i have vehemently opposed it. those in control of these things will say that they're banning you for all sorts of nonsense reasons (in my opinion). you are abusive; you're a troll. etc... i've done my best to make the powers-that-be see reason, and i will quit as a slyck moderator before i see this happen. continue to post as you always have done. if i think what you say is full of s@@@, then i'll say so, without abusing you personally. if you think what i say is full of s@@@, then you say so, without abusing me personally. as far as i can tell, this is what we've been doing anyway. so if you don't see me on slyck again, this is why. all the best "

• • Text recovered from private message**

Sorry, information added to articles really should be supported by reliable sources. If no third party sources exist, we probably shouldn't include the information in the article. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:52, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

LOL. I seriously think you have misinterpreted the medium. The discussion is about a forum community and is not available on other sites. Nor is the site or topic currently popular or significant enough that a conversation on it would ever gain coverage on any other site. This input to this page is added for factual fullness, and not because anybody actually visits or reports upon the four or five regulars at Slyck.com. To be clear, this event happened in 2012 and is still the most current event being discussed on their wiki page.

I realize you are probably used to dealing with secondary and tertiary sources but in this instance wiki has become popular enough that it is being used as the primary source for the news event in this instance.

You have been given the full transcript of the whistleblowers confession, with only the names redacted, his own actions and opinion is what is being reported upon and his testimony is the primary source of that opinion.

There are certainly any number of interesting conversations on various topics that we could link to, but the existence of those conversations is not in any way news, it is simply a number of people conversing on a common topic. The only news event of note is the behind-the-scenes events described in the whistleblowers statement and that is included in full. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.245.160.106 (talk) 15:01, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Westgate centre shooting

There are actually now a whole bunch of unsourced edits. Even by known editors. People don't read whats beng written much less discuss. Its hard policing a current ongoing article. Its not that I care about keeping content in or out, its just keeping it straight. For example, there was a talk page discussion that apart for me was unanimous the other side, which I naturally had no qualms when that consensus changes it cause at least there was discussion and reasoning. Point being, how to police these ITN articles. Makes me feel like it shouldn't even go on there.(Lihaas (talk) 04:57, 22 September 2013 (UTC)).

Well, on the bright side, I see that it has been moved to the right title. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:10, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Batman Arkham Origins page protection

Hello again Mark. May you please consider protecting Batman: Arkham Origins? Recently, leaked game achievements were released revealing potential characters, and IPs and unconfirmed editors have added this info, and will continue to, without sourcing a reliable news outlet that reports this that does not reference back to the achievement list. If you decide to protect, is it possible to request it be for two months? That would cover the time now, as well as the rampant edits done to the page (as I believe it will be high profile) once the game is released on October 25. Thank you. Also, I hope that I am not bothering or burdening you with these requests directly. If you would prefer I go directly to WP:RPP, I shall, but I see your great work, and know I can get results this way, without the page waiting in RPP. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:33, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Also, a block of User:Mfroggatt is in order, if another admin does not get to them first. Thank you. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:41, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Ok, did both. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:48, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Much appreciated. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:50, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

iPhone 5S

Why did you mark the page for semi-protection? There's only been one or two cases of vandalism, not really anything persistent. Zach Vega (talk to me) 18:13, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

By my count it's been vandalized more than ten times in the past week, which is inside the range I usually look for when semi-protecting. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:24, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Going through the history list, I count one from September 22 and another from September 18, however the latter could have been an accident. I've done that before without realizing it. Zach Vega (talk to me) 21:07, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

As far as clear vandalism or spam goes, I count an average of one a day over the past week . That's a conservative count, not including the IPs who keep changing the capitalization, which is arguably disruptive editing as well. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:25, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

1 and 6 could've been an accident (previously stated this), 2 and 5 are insignificant, 4 is clearly impacts the reading, and I believe that 3 thought the paragraph was too critical (they should've brought it up on the talk page). So I see only one of any significance. Zach Vega (talk to me) 23:17, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Sexual assault of Savannah Dietrich

What criteria is needed to identify the criminals in this case? How many reliable sources? Or are you taking the Noticeboard discussion as definitive? Because I think this issue would be treated completely different if these kids had shot someone. But sexual assault? There's an attitude in some media accounts of "Eh, let's not let it ruin their lives" that ignores the violence involved. Liz 21:54, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, unfortunately, we rely on the media, so if reliable sources choose not to publish something, our hands are more or less tied. In general though, I think there should be a strong consensus achieved first before accusing someone of crimes in an article. That's not to say they should never be named though. I'd have to look through the sources and discussions before coming to a more specific conclusion though. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:00, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

They weren't accused of crimes, they were convicted of crimes. And another Editor has taken it upon himself to rename and edit the article. Liz 14:16, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Diocese of Cubao

You have no right to judge if this article has references. All the necessary references have been indicated. I want to protect this page from other users. Please revert MY new additions.

Talk!

User:doctrinology

Yes, I saw you remove a bunch of text and thought it was an editing mistake with the visual editor. If that was intentional, please carry on. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:29, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Where is the sandbox of my diocese ?? Pls help me find it.

Talk! —Preceding undated comment added 02:32, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I don't know what you mean. But you can create User:Doctrinology/sandbox and use that as your sandbox if you like. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:34, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Protecting my User Page

Thank You for protecting my user page. If I'm ready to have my user page, i'll request unprotection at any time! Thanks! Thewikiguru1 (talk) 22:06, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm ready to add badges to my user page. Is it okay that my user page be unprotected please? Thewikiguru1 (talk) 00:41, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Your user page doesn't seem to be protected at all, WikiGuru but I question your edits which mostly are warnings to other Editors. This is a strange edit history and focus for a five day old account. Liz 15:14, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, new accounts are allowed to issue warnings, as long as they're merited. Besides, there are plenty of WP:CLEANSTART users who are very familiar with Misplaced Pages. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:29, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Gilbert Tuhabonye Protected Page

Hello,

You protected Gilbert Tuhabonye's Misplaced Pages page last week, and we'd like to request that the page be unprotected so that we can revert it back to its edited form from Friday, Sept. 20.

We represent Mr. Tuhabonye and he requested that we make the updates, as the current page is outdated, missing information, and factually inaccurate. We have full rights and permission to post all content included in the updated page and we can verify it.

Thank you,

Mischa Communications, Inc.

• From a passer-by: it is clear that you do paid work, writing or adding to Misplaced Pages articles for your clients. There is zero chance that this particular article will be returned to the status you requested; that version, besides your other edits, indicate that you are not editing according to Misplaced Pages's guidelines and have no interest but your clients'. I will therefore block your account indefinitely. Mark, hope you don't mind my butting in. Drmies (talk) 14:23, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
• In addition, I blocked a handful of accounts from that history for obvious reasons: promotion-only, and strong suspicion of socking. Drmies (talk) 14:54, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Thanks a lot of handling that, I'm glad you're watching my page! Mark Arsten (talk) 15:28, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
    • Yeah, speaking of which, you got a nice llama, but besides that it's a bit boring here. Maybe you can have one of those Jimbo heads going up and down the margin? Drmies (talk) 18:59, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Oooh, that does sound fun. I'll look into that. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:04, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Viii007

Hello Mark. Thought to let you know that the oldest confirmed account in this case is Pakithedjay (talk · contribs). --SMS 15:55, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Oh, good point, I didn't notice that. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:56, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Right back at it

Hi Mark, you blocked 76.164.103.108 for a week for edit-warring personal commentary into Insulin glargine; this editor's block just expired (I think 4 hours ago) and the first edit is this. I left a warning, maybe keep an eye on it? Thanks... Zad68 20:43, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, if he reverts again I'll block again. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:45, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Fully professional

Hello Mark. I have a some question here. Can you help me for find answer? Thank you. Beyazmavi (talk) 21:45, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm not too familiar with that guideline, to be honest. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:36, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Virgininfatuation

Virgininfatuation was Viii007's name before the account was renamed. Please update any sockpuppet investigations, blocks, and page-redirects related to Virgininfatuation. Just thought you would want to know. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 22:06, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, just saw the update on the sock investigation page. It turns out vii/virgin wasn't actually the master account. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:36, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Ahmed Abdul Rahim Al Attar Tower

Hi, i think that AfD was closed incorrectly, as subject meets WP:GNG. It is currently 40th tallest building in the world, some sources were submitted during Afd (for another , , , , or ). --Jklamo (talk) 22:55, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, the Afd was open for one month and no one argued that it should be kept. It would have been grossly inappropriate for me to keep the article under those circumstances, because admins are required to close Afds based on consensus, not their own personal opinions on the matter. So it's unreasonable to expect me to close a discussion a certain way if no one in the discussion supports that outcome. If you'd like to have the article restored, please create a sourced draft in your userspace and we can work from there. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:47, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Greg Retallack article

Mark, I see that you very recently closed the WP:AfD for this article as delete keep. I'm dropping by your talk page about this article because I don't know what kind of improvement this (the edit I reverted) is supposed to be. I hope that it is not typical of Xxanthippe to "improve" articles that way. Flyer22 (talk) 00:34, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

I closed it as keep actually, not delete. But several people in the Afd supported the idea of stubbing the article, so culling a decent amount of text may be in order. So Xxanthippe probably had the right general idea, but I think he went a bit overboard with that edit. It would be good to leave in some claim of importance, or someone might tag it for A7. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:59, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I meant "keep" (the article still exists, after all, LOL) and (as seen) I have struck the word delete/replaced it with keep above. Indeed, Xxanthippe's stubbing the article signaled to me that the article was worth deleting as that version far more than its previous version could be argued as being worth deletion. I am aware of the "absence of citations in an article (as distinct from the non-existence of sources) does not indicate that the subject is not notable" factor with regard to the Misplaced Pages:Notability#Notability requires verifiable evidence guideline, but many Misplaced Pages editors (including very experienced ones) are not aware of it; they see a stub with no or barely any sources and often immediately think "deletion" or seek deletion with regard to the article. Sure, I often think "deletion" when I see such an article, but I at least know to first look for WP:Reliable sources/try to determine if the stub needs to be merged. Flyer22 (talk) 01:19, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I suppose that is one of the problems with stubbing. It would be good to leave some citations as a further reading section at least, if it is stubbed. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:27, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

I disagree about the need to stub. The article could be gone over sentence by sentence with a scalpel not TNT. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 01:45, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, that's getting to the heart of a philosophical issue. Is it better to eventually improve things even if that means problems will persist in the short term or immediately do away with flawed content? I don't really have the answer. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:48, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

• Comment. I have taken the liberty of copying this exchange to Talk:Greg Retallack. Xxanthippe (talk) 02:19, 25 September 2013 (UTC).

Hi. As a contributor to the AfD Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Greg Retallack on Greg Retallack I let you know that there is a debate going on the article's talk page Talk:Gregory Retallack about how to implement the findings of the AfD . Xxanthippe (talk) 00:01, 26 September 2013 (UTC).

The Big Bang Theory

Hmm... Considering moderate to high amount of protection this year, is amount of edits too high to consider "indefinite pending changes"? --George Ho (talk) 01:24, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

I'd prefer to go with semi-protection here, but you could ask for a second opinion if you like. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:28, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

If an article is highly edited, then "pending changes" is inappropriate. As I can see in history log, the article could be frequently edit, unless I count the math wrong. --George Ho (talk) 04:52, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

It's a judgment call I guess, but this is pretty frequently edited. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:59, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Eleutherococcus senticosus

Hi, could you offer some advice as an administrator, please? You declined my request for semi-protection for a page that has been the target of a ridiculous addition repeatedly over a period of years. The same thing has happened again, but I believe that my hands are tied because reverting would be considered to be edit warring. Another editor has tried hard to combat this in the past and failed (I'll alert them that I have posted this message here). Sminthopsis84 (talk) 13:21, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

When did I decline the request? If things continue I may be able to reconsider. I wouldn't worry too much about being accused of edit warring here. It isn't happening that frequently so just reverting and explaining your changes should be fine. I would suggest leaving an explanation on the IP's talk page though. That makes it easier for an admin to block if they keep it up. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:02, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Another user has stepped in to remove the silliness, which is cheering ... perhaps the nearly invincible Randy in Boise won't win this particular battle :) You declined the request on 17th September. I'm a bit behind on dealing with my watch list, just dealing with the 21 September repeat of the silly addition today. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 20:58, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Mark - this has being going on since maybe February or January. The page had some sort of semi-protection scheme where IPs can edit it but it has to be approved by a registered editor in order for the changes to go into effect, but that seems to have expired. This particular vandal has been adding the exact same sentence, without a citation, for at least 6 months. It has used numerous IP addresses, so a ban (and I'm pretty sure one did happen at one point - I remember leaving messages at the IP's talk page and requesting it; in fact I'm pretty sure it was user:Bbb23 that carried it out) is meaningless. The page should go back to semi-protection, this time permanently, because it doesn't seem that this particular vandal is going to quit. I was the other user that reverted the IP, by the way.

Thanks for your help MidnightRequestLine (talk) 21:19, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Ok, protected it for a while. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:55, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Malik Noureed Awan

Please goto gulfnews.com and search mma forex you see list of from where i edi thte page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khanokhanokhan (talk • contribs) 15:35, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but per WP:BLP all negative information about living people must be directly cited to a reliable source. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:09, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Article for Deletion/ John Kissinger

Hi Mark: I wanted to submit an appeal in regard to your deletion of John Kissinger's Misplaced Pages page. It's my understanding this page was tagged as not meeting the notability requirements. For your reconsideration, I feel the following information does warrant John Kissinger to meet these requirements:

John Kissinger has experience with many notable projects, the most notable of which is the Milwaukee Art Museum addition. This addition to the Milwaukee Art Museum, designed by Santiago Calatrava, has become a Milwaukee landmark. John worked on the project almost from its inception. The project was named the Number One Design of 2001 by TIME magazine, and has won State, National and International engineering awards.

As the leader of the GRAEF team, John’s vision, collaboration and commitment to innovation resulted in John being named one of Engineering News-Record Magazine’s “Top 25 Newsmakers for 2001.” Other notable projects include The Wisconsin Center in downtown Milwaukee, the McCormick Place West Expansion in Chicago, and the Lambeau Field renovation in Green Bay. Kissinger is also active in the local community, acting as chairman of the Milwaukee Area Workforce Investment Board. John was appointed by Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett to lead the agency in 2010.

Are you able to offer any feedback/ recommendations? Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sullivm (talk • contribs) 19:40, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

It does sound like he has been involved in some interesting projects, but are there media outlets that have given him significant coverage? (WP:GNG) Mark Arsten (talk) 20:45, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Malik Noureed Awan

http://gulfnews.com/advanced-search/search-results?action=search&submitted=true&freeText=mma+forex&site=gulfnews&search=Search

visit there and see i edited the page but you changed these again. there is also other references search online yourself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khanokhanokhan (talk • contribs) 21:08, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, the page is protected from editing by new editors now. To have the information added to the page, please go to Talk:Malik Noureed Awan and propose a specific change to the article. Then paste {{edit semi-protected}} on the page and someone will come along to evaluate whether the change should be made. You have to include a specific source with your addition though, see WP:CITE for details. Let me know if you have any more questions. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:15, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

156.34.152.68

thank you for blocking 156.34.152.68, it appears the edit pattern of User:Iftot is the same. Frietjes (talk) 22:54, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Interesting, thanks for the heads up. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:55, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Bidisha

I noticed you've changed the settings for Bidisha. I'm one of the people who has been trying to revert the ongoing disruptive edits regarding the subject's surname.

Note 6 needs to be updated to point to http://web.archive.org/web/20080923130727/http://www.seh.ox.ac.uk/index.php?section=16 and cited after Bidisha's birth name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.197.120.69 (talk) 01:00, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Actually, it's only pending changes protected, so you can still edit the article. You just have to wait for someone to review your change before readers can see it. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 01:05, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

relist instead of just closing two of them?

At Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Mario_Bros._II you relisted it for more input. Two said to keep two of the four things listed, and the nominator said he planned to relist without those two in the AFD. So everyone that is participating said to keep Kart Fighter and Super Mario War. Can you just close those as keep? Then the AFD will just focus on two unrelated things instead of four. Dream Focus 01:50, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

I'll try to remember to take a look at it next time I go through the Afd queue. But this is a very good example of why bundling is a bad idea and people should stop doing it. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:53, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

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Trap Music

I have noticed that you keep removing grime as the genre origins for Trap Music. I will provide additional references if required, but the fact is that all recent electronic music in the USA owes it origins to UK electronic genres like Grime and Dubstep, both of which predate Trap and Brostep by at least a decade. It is infuriating to see Americans be disengenuous about the origins of relabeled musical genres, when both RL Grime and Baauer have cited the UK bass scenes are a major source of inspiration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.178.88.84 (talk) 15:50, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Honestly, I have no idea what you're talking about. Did you mean to leave this message on another user's talk page? Mark Arsten (talk) 16:16, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

You are cited in the list of edits as changing the Trap Music genre origins description, citing Vandalism. I attempted to include references to Grime and Dubstep as the musical influences, but yourself and others all mainly American in origin have removed these references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.178.88.84 (talk) 05:56, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

I protected the article so that only established users could edit, but I haven't changed the content of the article or removed any information. Your best bet is to discuss the matter on the article's talk page. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:25, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Charles Manson

You said "pending changes" seven minutes ago. What gives? --George Ho (talk) 19:50, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry that you had to wait, but I think it's protected now. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:53, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Sam Branson

Hello. I see you deleted Sam Branson's page. I believe that is a mistake, and I'm not sure sufficient people have voted for this. Besides being an heir to a billionaire fortune, he is a filmmaker and author.Zigzig20s (talk) 01:20, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, there seemed to be a pretty solid consensus for deletion in the Afd. If you feel strongly about this issue, you can appeal the matter to WP:DRV. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:23, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

User:Viii007

As the editor who applies the blocks, you might want to see this and my reply. A strong note from an admin directly answering Viii007's question to me "Will this be okay ?" that is independent of my reply may carry some weight. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 16:10, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

By the way, I don't believe anyone is beyond redemption, even on Misplaced Pages. I hope Viii007 can come back someday. But it will have to be long enough that editors could credibly believe he has had a change of heart and his attitude would have to show that he is committed to following the same rules everyone else has to follow. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 16:22, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I'll look into it later this afternoon. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:25, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, there really isn't anything to look into unless he tries to "come back too early" or additional evidence of additional past or future bad behavior shows up. Your link to "standard offer" was spot-on. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 17:54, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Ok, sounds good. Let's see how this goes. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:56, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Ayn Rand

The changes by Miles Money should be reverted as that specific phrase is under an RfC which he is participating. He has basically had you protect his preferred version and he actions directly work against WP norms and procedures folling RfC's. Arzel (talk) 17:21, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

I usually try to avoid reverting to a specific version after protecting unless there's a clear consensus supporting it. Do you think that's the case here? I can look into it more. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:56, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm actually not a big fan of the version you froze it to, but almost any qualifier is better than the bare term, which is inaccurate. As for consensus, the problem we're having is that Rand is very popular, which is to say she has many fans who are apparently more interested in the article making her look perfect than being accurate. We're flooded with these POV-pushers who are ignoring both policy and our sources. MilesMoney (talk) 18:56, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

What a load of BS. The version frozen definately does not have any concensus regardless of the lack of good faith illustrated by MM. Arzel (talk) 20:42, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

I'd need to use the fingers of both hands to count up all the behavioral policies you just violated here, but the most basic problem is that what you said isn't accurate. MilesMoney (talk) 01:08, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Please see WP:BLUDGEON. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:55, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

This is the second time that I see the Ayn Rand article is locked with a POV characterization for a month, I know it is not an endorsement, I don't ask this time to be locked with the NPOV description without adjectives but at least there should be a dispute-inline on the "untrained" characterization which is disputed in the talk page. Could you add it until we resolve this issue? --DagonAmigaOS (talk) 17:11, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

I didn't actually want it to say "untrained"; it was a compromise that I attempted, but it pleases nobody. However, we can't just remove the qualifier so that it sounds as if Rand was a regular philosopher. MilesMoney (talk) 17:20, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

I honestly don't know what to do here. I suggest asking another admin for a second opinion. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:55, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Mark, I'm not sure if you saw, but there's an RFC here discussing the issue specifically. It's due to close in about 2 days, so perhaps your best past forward might be to do nothing for that time, close the RfC, then do whatever is needed to the article (if anything) to reflect the close. (In any case, I think an uninvolved admin will be needed to close that RfC, and I think most would agree that you fit the bill :-P ~Adjwilley (talk) 21:55, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Ok, that is good advice. I'll probably unprotect when the Rfc closes to implement the consensus over the current version, which no one seems to like. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:11, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Problem is that there's a non-consensus majority that's going to edit-war to remove all qualifiers. The RFC is invalid due to the dishonest opening statement, and there hasn't been a single persuasive argument for why we should ignore our best sources. MilesMoney (talk) 00:14, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Interesting. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:19, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Very! MilesMoney (talk) 03:37, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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You're very welcome, thanks a lot for the barnstar and kind remarks! Mark Arsten (talk) 20:05, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Article protection

Hi Mark,

You made this edit: , where you protected the article in question from being edited by non-logged-in users. Why so? I don't see much evidence of vandalism apart from a small number of daft edits, which might be expected on any high profile article. 86.23.124.249 (talk) 20:54, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

I think the issue at the time was that a number of IPs and new users were making unsourced changes, which is problematic for a frequently edited high profile topic like this. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:00, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Robin Thicke

This article is highly edited. Shall there be a greater protection? --George Ho (talk) 22:35, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Looks like it, and since there haven't been many good edits lately I switched to semi. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:28, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Keep up the good work!

		The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		You've beat me to reverting vandalism four times in the last 60 seconds. Have a barnstar for being so quick! Sophus Bie 01:14, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

lol, thanks for the barnstar... hope you get to revert the next vandal. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:15, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome! I did get to revert the next vandal, but you then beat me to the click for the next five... :D Sophus Bie 01:26, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Sorry! :) Mark Arsten (talk) 01:28, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

You're quick

youre a quick mother fucker aren't you seriously you must hold the record for edit reversion or is that just some Huggle shit whatever keep on setting records bro :)

Thanks :) It's really the Huggle software that allows me to do it though. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:20, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Well good work regardless 108.34.218.189 (talk) 01:22, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Quick question for you/perspective requested

Hi Mark. I have been pondering something that I would very much like your opinion - as an experienced user, and an admin - and to know if my thought process is warranted and my idea possible. Is it possible to request a group of articles under one category/topic to all get semi-protected indefinitely? What I am specifically referring to are all film, list of, and TV series articles related to the Marvel Cinematic Universe (which itself is semi-protected indefinitely). As info is getting released for the new films, and the new Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. show, every bit of it reported on by third party sources, even if just a rumor, attracts unregistered users to these articles who feel the need to add this info. I don't foresee this level of attraction lowering anytime soon. A prime example includes on the Guardians of the Galaxy page, when Vin Diesel hinted he may be voicing Groot, many IPs added this info, while editors like myself, TriiipleThreat and Rusted AutoParts (to name a few), had to constantly revert them. Also, on the Age of Ultron page (which you added its current protection), IPs were adding actors for characters they assumed would be back, when no clear confirmation was given. As for articles on films that have already been released, IPs still come to those pages and add vandalism, plot bloat or WP:OR material.

I guess my main reason for approaching you with this, is I feel over the past few weeks, I've spent more time reverting IPs and non-auto users, or seeing others doing the same, then actually trying to contribute to improving these articles, if possible. And I know that we should not be punitive to new or first time users, especially if done, to say the Ant-Man article, which was recently started, and has not gotten into the bulk of its creating process. However, I feel that by doing this, it will allow any legitimate IP or non-auto users who wants to make a change to an article, to use the Edit Request function, and have their edit approved and done by editors who improve said articles positively. I know that I probably don't have much of a chance getting so many pages all to be indefinitely semi-protected, but figured I might as well ask. The worst think to happen is you say it can't be done, and we just continue going on as we have been. Thanks. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 03:57, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

I can look into this, sure. If a group of articles are routinely getting hit with a bunch of disruption, it does make sense to semi-protect them. I'd be hesitant to protect anything that hasn't seen much disruption yet though. I probably wouldn't go straight to indefinite protection either. Usually I'll just start off with a month or two then reassess. But if you want, just leave a list of the pages you're thinking about on my talk page here and I'll look through them with the history in mind and work from there. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:57, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. The pages I was thinking about are: Iron Man (2008 film), The Incredible Hulk (film), Iron Man 2, Thor (film), Captain America: The First Avenger, The Avengers (2012 film), Iron Man 3, Thor: The Dark World, Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Guardians of the Galaxy (film), and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. And I understand your hesitation with little disruption and not going straight to indefinite. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:33, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Ok, thanks, I'll look into it. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:49, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Alright, I protected most of them for a month. Ping me in 5 weeks or so and I'll look at longer protection. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:45, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Will do! If this conversation has not been archived, I'll just readd here. Thanks. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 03:26, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Just quickly, may you consider extending Thor: The Dark World's protect for an additional month or two? By doing so, that will cover the film being released, which always attracts a high number of page visits (and vandal edits), and this would prevent a user requesting the protection again, right after the current period you added, ended. The rest are fine for what you did, and will proceed further once they are unprotected. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:21, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, sure. Done. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:24, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. Misplaced Pages is lucky to have great admin like yourself! - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:30, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

Mark, thank you for protecting the page Czechia - the name dispute. It was deleted 8 times during one day without any warning. There was an excellent page Czechia that was deleted repeatedly and continuously without any discussion or any arguments so it is not on Misplaced Pages anymore. This vandalism went on without any repercussions for those who kept doing it. Thanks again.Geog25 (talk) 13:57, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the protection of the pageAskave (talk) 14:08, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome, glad to help. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:58, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Cat

Hi Mark. Would you please consider switching this back to semi? The number of edit requests was easily manageable under that protection scheme, and the only effect of PC has been watchlist bloat; there have been no constructive edits from newbies or IPs. Rivertorch (talk) 16:27, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, looks like PC wasn't a good idea. Well, now we know at least! Mark Arsten (talk) 20:01, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! You're a prince among admins. Rivertorch (talk) 21:11, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

LOL, you're welcome. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:13, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the civil response, and sorry for blanking an article. It was dumb and I won't do it again. 86.149.153.74 (talk) 21:48, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Ok, glad to hear that. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:51, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

FYI

Hello Mark. With this edit you removed a report about IP 86.151.229.75. I had been tracking what was going on and was trying to add this message to the initial report.

*CommentThis report is flawed. First, you went directly to a level four warning without giving a level one through three ones. Next, the warning your gave was for disruption which has not occurred. Next, in the edits the IP performed that I was able to check were correct but unsourced. Thus any admin who looks at this should note the lack of WP:AGF. Perhaps the IP could be directed to the Teahouse or at least directed to the WP:RS guideline. Jamesx12345 I appreciate your attempts to protect our articles but, in this case, IMO you have jumped the gun.

I don't know if you removed the report in error or on purpose so I wanted to pass this on to you in case anything comes up about the original report by James. The other thing is I am about to go a barbecue at some friends and won't be able to follow up on things for several hours. If my post makes things more confusing or is irrelevant to what you did please feel free to remove it and carry on with your editing. Thanks for your time and cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 22:22, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Update. I have struck through one inaccurate statement. James had made previous posts on the talk page though they weren't warnings it does show that J did try and find out what was going on. Again apologies for the intrusion. MarnetteD | Talk 22:54, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Just so we're clear, in this edit I declined the report and then removed it an hour later in this edit. I agree that it was inappropriate of User:Jamesx12345 to report the user to AIV, which is supposed to be reserved for obvious vandals. Accurate but unreferenced content isn't ideal, but it certainly isn't vandalism. It's a good reminder that admins need to check each report in detail before blocking. In my limited experience at AIV, though, I've usually found James' reports to be pretty good, as best as I can recall. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:37, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks for filling in the items that I had missed. Glad to know that about the reports James files. In my early years here I could file a report too quickly. I do appreciate your taking the time to reply. Happy editing and have a good weekend. MarnetteD | Talk 04:01, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

I'll try as best as I can to explain myself. I was under the impression until reading here that the changes made were factual errors, as a bit of researching had given contradictory dates, so I contacted the the user on their talk page explaining I had reverted them. After not responding to two messages, I filed a premature report at AIV, as trolls often fail to respond to messages. That report was declined, so I waited a while, before seeing they had made further edits, so I gave first a message and then a 4im with an explanation at the end. When that message was removed, I reported them to AIV again, which was declined for a second time. Other than perhaps not giving them quite enough notice the first time around, I don't think I did anything unjustifiable. James12345 14:15, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I hadn't realized there were two reports. Good to hear that you did research the changes though. In the future, that type of situation may be better handled at ANI instead. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:25, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Upon hitting revert in Huggle, I also filed a report at AIV, about this edit which seems to be vandalism]. The report is still there, I'm not sure whether to remove it or not. Go ahead and decline it if need be. Matthew Thompson 15:45, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Interesting, I see he's been blocked for block evasion now. I guess that settles it! Mark Arsten (talk) 19:54, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

I only just got back online and have seen how events have progressed. It seems this IP was a bigger problem then I had a chance to discover. For the record I want to apologize to Jamesx12345 for any offense that I have caused in my previous statement and I want to thank everyone for their vigilance. Regards to all. MarnetteD | Talk 20:10, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

No offense taken. I didn't put much thought into reporting them in the first place, thinking it was most likely somebody just testing whether vandalism gets fixed here. There's a few other addresses which seem to be doing much the same thing, but I think the identical edit summary is this particular vandal's signature. James12345 23:07, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

phoneblocks

hi marc seems you have tagged my input as vandalism? For completeness I added proof that I came up with the concept of a click together computer one year earlier then this bloke. In those 2 links from the g+ site im spelling out the concept, a computer made up outof blocks like lego for easy upgrading! Dont you agree with me that a smartphone is just another form of computer or do you think the links are bogus? If you look closer at whats being discussed at the g+ site you see i'm right. If you see you were in error please put back the info and links on the phoneblocks page. Im a bit dislectick so if you see any obvious typos feel free to change those. ;)

regards, michel prins. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ysvry (talk • contribs) 18:19, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I see what your were saying on the page now. I thought you were pasting random e-mails in at the time. Unfortunately, we try to stick to published sources when adding information to articles, so unless a reliable source has confirmed that you came up with the idea in question, we can't attribute it to you. Sorry! Mark Arsten (talk) 19:51, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

A need for a block

Hello Mark, User: MrColonelCortez has been harassing, trolling me an frequently throwing around personal attacks for many months. If you see his contributions the majority of them have been to my talk page, harrasing and bugging me. Edits like this, this, this, This, blanking, and this are all either personal attacks, trolling or vandalism. Obviously this user is not here to contribute, and nearly every single edit they have made has been reverted for going against the guidelines and policies. Not to mention they were already blocked for WP:NPA/harassing me. STATic message me! 20:22, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I saw the AIV report and just blocked him. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:24, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Yeah haha, I saw that you blocked him literally right after I finished posting this. Thank you, but I do not think three days is going to effect him at all, if you see the contributions he goes away for awhile, but when he comes back the first edit is always some nonsense on my talk page. STATic message me! 20:34, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, three days might have been too lenient. Let me know if he bugs you again and I'll give him a long block. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:39, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

I saw your post on his talk, and I will make sure to. Thanks again! STATic message me! 20:46, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Protecting RDH

I notice you just protected RDH. Is it for this guy? Because if so, I have rangeblocked him here a few hours before you've protected. I don't see that the rangeblock hasn't worked. Since the rangeblock I did before seems to be working, I'm not sure we need to stop all of the hundreds of other good-faith IP users from editing. --Jayron32 20:47, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Oh, my mistake then. I saw the request on RFPP and hadn't realized that a range block had handled it. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:02, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

It's all good. I hadn't realized someone had reported it up to RFPP. I just went and rangeblocked the guy after he hopped IP addresses for the second time. Thanks though for staying on top of it. --Jayron32 03:51, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Wight (Disambiguation) User talk:86.10.132.142

I've no idea how to do this, but as you wrote to me Mark here's my attempt at answering.

I do the crossword with my Mum most every other Sunday and my main source of reference is Misplaced Pages. I was annoyed last week that although the "Shipping Forecast" wikipedia page lists "Wight" as the forecast region between "Dover" and "Portland" the hypertext link just took me to the Isle of Wight page which made no reference to the forecast zone. There was no mention of Wight the shipping forecast region under Wight (Disambiguation). Thus I attempted to add it, only to get a note on my Mum's netbook from you saying that I appear "to have added the name of a non-notable entity".

Misplaced Pages has an entry for the "Isle of Wight", Misplaced Pages also has an entry for "Shipping Forecast" which lists Wight as one of the regions. Misplaced Pages has nothing linking the two.

That the name of the region was felt to be general knowledge by the Telegraph's crossword writer suggested to me that it should hae a place in an encyclopaedia. Brighton is in Sussex, Southampton is in Hampshire and Poole is in Dorset, but all 3 are covered by the "Wight" shipping forecast.

Please re-add the Shipping Forecast region covering the English Channel between Dover and Weymouth/Portland to the Wight (disambiguation) page. Rob Sprack =;-)X

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.10.132.142 (talk) 15:29, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, the issue was that entries on disambiguation pages need to have links. You can re-add the mention to the page, but make sure you link to its coverage on the Shipping Forecast article. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 16:47, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Czechia - the name dispute

How do I go about proposing this page for deletion as a POV fork? --Khajidha (talk) 16:26, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

If you'd like to nominate it for deletion at WP:AFD (as opposed to redirecting it without a deletion discussion) I'll be glad to unprotect so you can add the deletion tags to the article. Feel free to nominate it any time. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 16:49, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure how that process works. --Khajidha (talk) 16:56, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Request

Hi Mark Arsten, after your block, that user added the same text agein. I dont want to revert his edits, please warm him.--Δαβίδ (talk) 18:09, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

DRV

FYI, you were involved in the AFD now at DRV. You weren't the closer but did relist the discussion, seeking further consensus. Your recollection of the discussion may be helpful. Warden (talk) 18:14, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

"Person to Bunny" vandal

Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:TweetiePie1947_reported_by_User:Trivialist_.28Result:_24_hours.29 The user who insists that certain Looney Tunes shorts were cancelled appears to be back, as User:Garrejones44444777; see The Jet Cage, where the editor added unsourced claims, and then changed sourced information back to the unsourced version. Trivialist (talk) 22:04, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Do we know who the master is here? It looks like User:TweetiePie1947 isn't blocked, which complicates things somewhat. I'm usually hesitant to block quickly from unsourced content concerns, I would recommend opening an ANI thread. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:10, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Factors involved in decision

Hello, Mark

I was hoping you could explain something to me. I am curious; what exactly made you come up with this decision?

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 03:16, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, this is a bit of a difficult Afd to close. Some of the Keep !votes certainly were fairly week, though they had a clear numerical advantage. The delete !votes were pretty consistent in saying that it failed the guideline on not publishing changelogs, but several keep !votes disputed this, arguing that it was or had the potential to be more than just a changelog article. It's difficult for me to say which side is right about its changelog-ness because I'm supposed to close based on consensus rather than my own opinion. Looking over it again though, it seems more like a "no consensus" close than a "Keep" close. I'll adjust my closing comment to reflect that. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:29, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi.

Thanks for clarification. It is a sound explanation, one that can impact the article and its future. Could you please add it in front of your decision in the deletion discussion?

Best regards,

Codename Lisa (talk) 03:41, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Megan Young New Section

Hi Mark. I would like to ask your opinion if I can add a section for Megan Young's article about her stint in Miss World Philippines 2013. I hope I can hear from you soon.

greenmarktea78 07:26, 30 September 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marktanoja78 (talk • contribs)

Yes, you're free to do so. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:24, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

Ross Hill18:29 30 Sep 2013 (UTC) 18:29, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	For making sure WP:RPP doesn't ever get backlogged ever again. I dream of horses If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. @ 21:11, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

lol, thanks. It's a good feeling to clear out a backlog :) Mark Arsten (talk) 21:15, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Re: vandalism/libel against Jorge Erdely Graham

Hello, I was wondering if you can help me with a series of edits made by a user named Ajaxfiore, which are libelous and constitute vandalism against Jorge Erdely Graham. I made a noticeboard entry at: https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Jorge_Erdely_Graham

Thank you for your consideration.AbuRuud (talk) 23:14, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure I can be of much help here. Since I can't read Spanish I can't really understand whether the references support the text. You might ask User:Thelmadatter for advice, she edits a lot of Mexican topics. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:35, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Czechia - the name dispute

Hi Mark, who can vote on the deletion of this article? Anyone? If yes, why don't you put a link on the discussion page so everyone can vote? Can I vote? Are you following the discussion? My point is this: First, the article has problems but it could be worked on collectively to be improved. I have suggested ways to deal with it in the discussion. Second, and more importantly, there is very little information on the term "Czechia" in Misplaced Pages and I believe that people who want to find out more about the term should be able to find it here. It should be neutral and non-partisan but almost all attempts to put any information on Misplaced Pages have been vandalized or deleted. I also think that Misplaced Pages should not discriminate against non-native speakers and use their less than perfect English as an excuse to delete the information they are trying to put in. It should be a collective effort and they should get help. I am relatively new here as a contributor so I do not have my page set up. I have to find time to learn how to do it. Sorry.Geog25 (talk) 02:05, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Mark, I found the link on the page, I was looking on the discussion page. Sorry to bother you.Geog25 (talk) 02:17, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

No problem. Anyone is free to participate in the discussion, as long as your arguments are based in Misplaced Pages policy, see WP:ATA for details. There is usually just a link to the discussion on the article itself, but you're free to add links to it on other talk pages as long as you don't ask people to !vote a certain way. Let me know if you have any more questions. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:19, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Afghanistan Semi-Protection

Hello Mark. Sorry to interrupt the useful work you are doing (or always keep doing). You semi-protected Afghanistan for a week. Will it revert back to PC-1 after one week or will it be a no protection? --SMS 03:04, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

After one week is up it will automatically revert back to pending changes as usual. User:George Ho requested temporary semi-protection due a recent spurt in vandalism, so I agreed to temporarily provide that as well. Permanent semi-protection might actually make more sense than pending changes though, now that I think about it. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:06, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Sock question

Hello, Mark Arsten! SPI is not my strong point, and I'm not sure if you can do anything, but maybe you can point in the right direction. A user you just blocked is a WP:DUCK of another user who was just blocked. I (as a dynamic IP) reverted the latter's wikilove on Jimbo's page, and noticed the former's wikilove also on Jimbo's talk page, and they both edited User talk:24.246.104.98. I know they are both blocked, so it is worth it to file an SPI to check for a master, or is whack-a-mole the way to go? Rgrds. --64.85.216.33 (talk) 12:11, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	I thereby award you with this Admin's Barnstar for your continued work at the Requests for protection noticeboard. Armbrust 12:18, 1 October 2013 (UTC)