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Sentence problem

I hate this last sentence in the lead in. "Although she had been criticised for her American Idol image, Clarkson has begun writing and composing more songs, and plans to release a third album in 2006."

What does being criticised for her image have to do with writing songs?

The girl has been writing for a long time — she hasn't just begun.

She wrote six of the songs on Breakaway and co-wrote a few on Thankful.

Plans for the thrid album now say late '06 early '07.

I'm stumped as to how to rewrite this. Help! - Maria202 21:20, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

I sort of messed it up when I originally wrote it. Perhaps it should just be removed and new content could be included. —Eternal Equinox | talk 22:05, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

I didn't know you wrote it nor what you were trying to say. How about something like this: Distancing herself from her American Idol image, Clarkson took more creative control, and through considerable experimentation, developed a rock-oriented image for the release of her second album Breakaway (2004), which spawned four U.S. top-ten singles and won two Grammy Awards. While on tour in Europe in 2006 Clarkson was writing and composing songs for her third album which she hopes to release in late 2006 or early 2007. - Maria202 22:51, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

That's much better. However, instead of "in late 2006 or early 2007", I think it would be preferrable if you wrote "within the next year". —Eternal Equinox | talk 22:56, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good. Do you want to change it? - Maria202 23:04, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes. —Eternal Equinox | talk 23:54, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Redundancies

WP:NOT#Links, images, or media files states that "There is nothing wrong with adding a list of content-relevant links to an article; however, excessive lists can dwarf articles and detract from the purpose of Misplaced Pages. On articles about topics with many fansites, including a link to one major fansite is appropriate, marking the link as such". I have been reverting this fansite because I've been to it before and it doesn't prove to be very large. Perhaps there is another which supplies a more relevant basis?

Secondly, Image:Since You've Been Gone.jpg has stronger fair use rationale than Image:KellySNL.jpg, which currently provides no relevance to the text and paragraph beside it. In addition, the image is of poor quality, but since it is low resolution, I don't find a major problem with it. Clarkson's article, at this point, is filled with enough images and/or media. —Eternal Equinox | talk 14:14, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

You know, Eternal I'm getting really sick and tired of your garbage. You don't own this page, it's not up to you to decide what goes and what stays. Every time you add something to this article, you remove something that I supplied to put in its place. I'm sick and tired of having to OK, everything by you to make sure you don't revert it. It's this attitude that got you in trouble with the admins in the "We Belong Together" featured article candidacy page. I (as does everybody else) have as much of a right to edit this page as you do. That picture does add relevance ... there is clearly a line that I added that talks about the appearances she made to promote her album. HeyNow10029 17:29, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I did not get in trouble there. If you see the archived discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Featured article candidates, many of the users who accused me were not aware that I had been compromising with Misplaced Pages:Vandalism. Anyway, on to this topic: you do not make such statements as "garbage", which I could register as a personal attack. It is not garbage: it is policy. Your image has no relevance to the text that it is sitting beside, and I am not removing your image simply because it is yours. I removed it because its fair use rationale is weaker than the image I happened to upload, and in addition, because it provides no relevance. I have to revert your edits again. Also, please do not remove the fact that Clarkson has achieved one Canadian number-one. If she were Canadian and not American, would we remove the fact that she attained only one U.S. number-one? I doubt it. —Eternal Equinox | talk 19:25, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I do not make such statements? What language is that? This is the English Misplaced Pages, not the simple English wikipedia. Seriously. You talk about my image not having relevance to the text, yet it does. Even after you removed the text I wrote, which I re-added again today, and you removed again. Read the article it mentions her performance on Saturday Night Live

About the Canadian thing, if you have a problem with that respond to the previous article becuase I'm reverting that too, maple leaf. ... You know what, Eternal_Equinox, I'm sick and tired of running things through you, you don't own this page. If you have a problem with me re-adding that image, seek mediation cause you're not an admin (even though you act like you created all of Misplaced Pages through your terminal in that stuffy library you spend your entire life in) and I don't need permission from you. And since you seem so fond about throwing out Misplaced Pages policies, how about you see the WIKIPEDIA POLICY ON OWNERSHIP, SINCE YOU MERCILLESLY COME IN AND EDIT THE ARTICLE AFTER ANYONE HAS MADE EVEN THE SLIGHTEST CHANGE. WP:OWN I can understand if maybe you wrote well, but someone who uses the phrase "emancipating from their throats" to describe talking ... I mean, who are you, Data from Star Trek? lol HeyNow10029 22:07, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

"who uses the phrase "emancipating from their throats" to describe talking" LMAO. Oh dear God, please stop it! Sarah Ewart (Talk) 01:28, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

LOL. I know, don't you just love it?! "emancipating from their throats" I think I'm going to make it into a t-shirt -- maybe sell it on Ebay. lol. HeyNow10029 02:12, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Talk:Kelly Clarkson#Redundancies for elucidation. —Eternal Equinox | talk 22:31, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Interesting edit, by the way. Should I assume good faith? —Eternal Equinox | talk 22:32, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

What that I moved a sentence around? Or that I called you genius? Don't you think of yourself as a genius ... I sure do. lol. HeyNow10029 22:47, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

If you want to avoid personal attacks, do not place them in an article in the first place. —Eternal Equinox | talk 22:55, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

This isn't an article, Eternal. It's a article's talk page. HeyNow10029 23:01, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

What's your point? Please respond to your objection as well, please. —Eternal Equinox | talk 23:14, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I believe that HeyNow10029 is being unpleasant, but so is E. E. Really, HeyNow is being incurably unintelligent and rude, and E. E. is being incredibly neutral, so neutral it's hard to believe he's a human and not a computer. MorwenofLossarnarch 23:34, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

lol. I must've missed the post where someone asked for your opinion. HeyNow10029 01:26, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I really agree with MorwenofLossarnarch. It's about time someone told you that you have been nothing but rude and impolite, and this sort of behaviour is rather frowned upon. Of interest to you may be the policy "Don't be a dick". And don't dare asking who invited me; as an Administrator, I am entitled to intervein in any dispute I see fit. Oran e (t) (c) (e) 02:00, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Maybe you should read the post she wrote before you barge in here throwing around threats. She wrote .. "HeyNow is being incurably unintelligent". Secondly, she wasn't commenting on the matter for our dispute, she was making personal comments about me. So I have every right to answer her back. And don't I dare ask you? Don't I dare? Who are you, God? What are you going to do, block me for asking you a question? And where do you get off saying this, "It's about time someone told you that you have been nothing but rude and impolite". HeyNow10029 04:56, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Firstly, I have not threatened you, so don't falsely accuse me of anything. "Blocking"? Have I ever mentioned anything about blocking you? You just love stirring controversy, don't you? No, I am not God, and I've never implied that I am (in fact, that point was just plain silly, so I will comment on it no further). And yes, its about time someone told you that you have been nothing but rude and impolite. Never mind "where I get off" doing so. From reading all of your above posts —"even though you act like you created all of Misplaced Pages through your terminal in that stuffy library you spend your entire life in", "I'm getting really sick and tired of your garbage", "I must've missed the post where someone asked for your opinion."— I'm more than justified in telling you this: you need to just calm yourself down; Misplaced Pages is a community, not some random messageboard for uncivil, belligerent editors to run rampant. Frankly, its this type of behaviour that is clouding the goal of Misplaced Pages, and is perpetuating the corrupt nature of the place. Oran e (t) (c) (e) 19:50, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I'll give you that one point, that time when I lashed out at E.E. was uncalled for. That's one instance when I lost my cool after over two months of disagreements with an overtly zealous user. As for Morwen, like I said, she came out of the blue and instead of commenting on the article disagreement, took the oppurtunity to make a personal comment calling me unintelligent. I thought there was a Misplaced Pages policy on personal attacks? HeyNow10029 04:58, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I've edited the article once again, to where the images are appropriate, and removed all speculation. It surprises me how I've had to take the step forward and compromise each issue thus far. All users should contain the common sense to negotiate. —Eternal Equinox | talk 21:19, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I apoligise, HeyNow. I was wrong, but you are being a bit rude. This discussion has become a series of personal attacks, arguement, and rudeness. MorwenofLossarnarch 17:17, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

French Misplaced Pages article on Kelly Clarkson

Hey guys, yesterday I went to the french version of wikipedia and searched on kelly clarkson. The french article is of very poor quality. It doesn't even mention that Kelly Clarkson released Breakaway. I added some information to it, mainly regarding Breakaway. I also addded the discography table there. I would like to upload some photos in the article, it doesn't have any. I don't know how to do it so can someone please add them? Also, anyone who is fluent in French can please modify the article to improve its quality? Kelly Clarkson is now getting success in France. Because Of U recently entered the Top 20 and is currently the best video there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rd21 (talk • contribs)

In order to upload images on the French Misplaced Pages, one would have to register an account. Now, I may be Canadian, but I am barely fluent in French and can only speak a fragment of what residents of Montréal are capable of emancipating from their throats. Therefore, it would be very difficult for any one of us whom do not speak French to succeed with Clarkson's article on the French Misplaced Pages. —Eternal Equinox | talk 16:29, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Early life

Although it is widely believed/reported that Clarkson's LA apartment "burned down", it isn't exactly true. The confusion is perfectly understandable since the event's been misreported frequently.

A partial fire at the apartment complex did occur causing extensive damage and displacing approx. a dozen people in the 71 unit complex (per Fox News 11 report). However, Clarkson's and her roommate's apartment wasn't visibly damaged. Definitely didn't "burn down". Video of this event is at ]. Download the Inside Edition 2002 vid. It shows Clarkson at the complex post-fire, discussing the fire, saying "We were lucky", and jumping on the bed.

Someone else can reword the correct information about the fire however they wish. 65.138.42.201 01:09, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Gay film

If you don't want to use the words "Gay film" you need to state something that gets the idea across that it was a questionable/"sexual content" film (of course they carefully emphasised that it was NOT porn. . . . exactly, nothing graphic). The point is that she was desparate enough to take the role. Without that it sounds like she was getting roles - so why go home? It confuses the facts. Frankly I think that "Gay film" sounds better than "soft porn video". It is not like SHE was playing a Gay role - but you deleted the phrase that clarified that. --69.19.14.40 21:11, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

This film is never mentioned by Kelly, anyone doing an article on her or on any of her fan boards. I can't help wondering why you feel it's so important to include. - Maria202 21:49, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, it is as important as the Sabrina reference. She did do this. Actually I would suggest using the wording "sleazy film" but it does not sound very encyclopedic. Maybe "cheap video"? Although I don't know for a fact that it was cheap, but it gets the point across that she was desparatly trying to make it in Hollywood somehow. --69.19.14.40 22:06, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

I'd heard she did it as a favor for a friend. Do you have proof she was paid for her appearance? She'd have received at least scale for Sabrina since it was a tv show. - Maria202 22:31, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

There is no valid reason to mention that Issues 101 is a homosexual film. We do not state that Sabrina, the Teenage Witch is a heterosexual film; it wouldn't make any sense. Issues is not any more significantly important than Sabrina and even though she was desperate for money at the time, this does not expand upon the content very well. —Eternal Equinox | talk 22:34, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

I already took out the reference to "gay" before you edited it again. "supplied a role" sounds weird. And you can't just invent titles to articles that are the reference. -- 69.19.14.40 22:43, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

If you can source that she really did not get any money for this - then I would not mind removing the entire mention. It only has relevance in showing how hard she was trying to make it in Hollywood. But until then I am going to correct the article title and fix the wording. --69.19.14.40 22:56, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually, since you put it in, you should be the one sourcing that she did get paid. - Maria202 00:00, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

But the norm is that an actor gets paid for acting. There is no reason to think that Kelly did NOT get paid - except your statement. Therefore the mention should stay in. -- 66.82.9.80 00:34, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Currently, the reference is incorrect and there are grammar errors. I don't understand why the anonymous user is continuously conducting inaccurate edits. There is no point in mentioning that Issues is a homosexual film; this is better-suited for the article on the actual subject, evidently. —Eternal Equinox | talk 01:14, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Have reworded it to "and played a small role in the film, Issues 101", and I think that's all that needs to be said about it. It's worth mentioning insofar as it's her film debut. But the film and her appearance in it are both minor (the poster says "Cameo performance by Kelly Clarkson as Crystal" - no doubt added after she achieved fame). The subject of the film, whether it's homosexuality or nuclear physics, is irrelevant. Rossrs 08:19, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Her role in the film and the film itself should be at least briefly characterized. Wiki is not paper; we've got room. Everyking 08:28, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Why does the reference say "A Biography of Kelly Clarkson"? There is nothing in or near that source article that says that. -- Michigan user 12:59, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I changed it to mention it's a gay film. That is the film's most notable characteristic, and it is otherwise obscure; a brief characterization such as that is appropriate. The argument that we don't call Sabrina a "heterosexual show" is incorrect, because the central idea of that show isn't heterosexuality—the characters just happen to be heterosexual. But this film apparently is based around addressing homosexuality. Everyking 11:22, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

To use "gay film" as a term is POV on behalf of the author of the Yahoo article and it's unencyclopedic here despite the fact that it's quoted from source material. I don't see a problem in categorising the film although I don't think it's necessary, but it should be reworded to make it less vague, and less colloquial. I think "played a small role in the gay-themed film, Issues 101" would be better. This is the term used twice in the article itself and quotes the film makers/promoters. There is no arguing that it's "gay themed" but "gay film" is just too broad. Also the word "supplied" is awkward. Actors play roles, they don't supply them. I'll change it. Rossrs 12:07, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, I don't know anything about the film's content, so I figured I'd just quote what the article called it, to prevent any inaccuracy on my part. Everyking 13:40, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

No, I don't know anything about the film either, only what I've read in the Yahoo article, and I looked on IMDB. I can't even figure out what Kelly was required to do. Rossrs 13:57, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Apparently, her role was to accept a sexual invitation and then walk off with the guy. Everyking 14:03, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure. Does anyone else have a comment about the writing in its current form? —Eternal Equinox | talk 19:43, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

It absolutely NEEDS the reference in there as that is the source of the information. --69.19.14.30 11:18, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

That is factually incorrect — wouldn't we require a reference for Clarkson's appearance on Sabrina? —Eternal Equinox | talk 19:39, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Agree. When the term "gay film" was used in a previous version, the reference was necessary because we were quoting the term used in the Yahoo article. It had to be clear that we weren't using the term ourselves - that would have been POV. Now we're saying it's a gay themed film and Clarkson was in it. Nothing controversial or open to discussion there. It's a fact. We've linked to Clarkson's page at IMDB at the bottom of the article and anyone who wants to check it, can do so very easily. We should avoid cluttering the article up with needless references - this one is absolutely not needed. It would also be wrong to use the reference, because we have used nothing from the Yahoo article. Rossrs 22:00, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. —Eternal Equinox | talk 12:28, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

The existence of a reference is necessary anyway, quote or not. Our information needs to be clearly and easily verifiable. Clutter—who cares? The reader will be more concerned about our accuracy and verifiability than any so-called clutter. Everyking 08:24, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

What's to verify? Does Meryl Streep have a reference for every film mentioned in her article? Or any other actor/actress/director/singer/entertainer? Today's featured article, Diane Keaton has 11 films mentioned just in the lead paragraph and not a single one of them referenced. This should not be causing confusion to any readers and I'm sure it's not. All we are saying about Issues 101 is : 1. Clarkson was in it, and 2. it was gay-themed. There's nothing controversial or disputable here. It's no different to saying The Godfather was a drama, or Annie Hall was a comedy set in New York - nobody is going to contradict statements like this. As for clutter - a lot of people do care. Verifiability is very important but in this case it's not necessary. Rossrs 11:31, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Good article

I thought this article was good enough in its current form to justifying confirmation of Good Article status, after someone else recently nominated it. (I did take the opportunity to do some light copyediting.) Well done to those who've worked on the article, and good luck in improving it further. Metamagician3000 11:11, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Studio album addition?

I'm considering adding a reference to her third album in the 'studio albums' section. Probably something like 2006/2007? Unknown. Something like that. Bye! MorwenofLossarnarch 16:18, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure. If it is currently untitled, I don't believe it should be included yet. —Eternal Equinox | talk 23:16, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

I'll preview it and see how it looks. If it looks bad, then I'll kick it. MorwenofLossarnarch 14:44, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Referencing of film failure in lead section

I have taken the time to locate two references which indicate the failure of From Justin to Kelly at the North American box office and with a few critics. With the material now sourced, the information in the lead section should no longer be removed since it no longer leans on breaking the neutral point of view policy. —Eternal Equinox | talk 23:16, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

I'll let you slide on this one. The line "it was not well-received by critics and fans" should actually say "it was not well-received by critics by Pete Croatto". Your POV and weasel word is the unamed fans. --Supercoop 21:00, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

EE - I see you have worked on the opening sentence. Now that shows good faith so lets agree to integrate that line into the body of the article. I would like to have a good intro for her without negativity so soon. Let try re-writing the opening paragraph to talk only about her and then we can talk about the disastrous movie debacle. --Supercoop 15:07, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Greek?

Is Kelly Clarkson's mother full Greek? The article doesn't state any other ethnicities yet Jeannie Ann Taylor is most certainly not a Greek name. Can anybody clear this up? Cypriot stud

I'm just curious why she has to have a full Greek name in order to be Greek? —Eternal Equinox | talk 13:50, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

She got the name 'Taylor' from her second husband (Kelly's stepfather) Jimmy Taylor. How can anyone determine what nationality a female who has been married twice is from a last name? If you really want to get down to it, Kelly's last name was originally CLARKSON, it was changed by her family before she was born due to a serial killer itn he same town having the same last name and them being harrassed for it (source: Kelly herself in more than one interview). ~kellysgirl

I didn't say that one must have a full Greek name in order to be Greek, but the name Jeannie Ann is most definitely not a name a born-and-bred-in-Greece Greek would ever be called. It would be useful if some information on this could be retrieved. Like if she changed her name (from Ioanna I would imagine) or goes by an American name.

But still, referring back to my original question, is there any strong piece of information that confirms that Jeannie Ann is Greek?

Cypriot stud

I am not quite sure, sorry. —Eternal Equinox | talk 22:38, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

FA nomination

Do you think this is good enough to be an FA? I'm considering putting it up. A second peer review before that is always an option. TheKillerAngel 17:12, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

The article is not ready for featured article status quite yet. I do believe that it is prepared in the sense regarding references, but I don't think it would become an FA based on the current content, especially since nobody — including myself — has taken the time to write about Clarkson's film career yet. In addition, there should be more information on her "Image", and a section titled "Artistry" which is currently present at featured article Mariah Carey could be developed. Any comments? —Eternal Equinox | talk 18:48, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Should we put up a "to-do" list for this article? TheKillerAngel 18:54, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

TheKillerAngel, Eternal Equinox isn't exactly the person to ask when it comes to a site's chances as a featured article. I think this page has what it takes, and it wouldn't hurt to give it a test run and see what people think, then go from there with the comments they make. If you nominate it, I'll vote to support. :) HeyNow10029 03:44, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

It would be diffacult to completely document Kelly's film career since she was an extra in several tv shows and movies before going on Idol. The only known footage available is Issues 101 where she was paid to have a one line bit part, That 80's show where she was an extra, Sabrina the Teenage Witch where she was an extra, Fro Justin To Kelly where she was a costar, and her many appearances during and after American Idol. All of her jobs before IDol as an extra went uncreditted except for Issues 101 which slapped her name on everything hoping it would sell the movie on DVD. ~kellysgirl

Nonetheless, the film career she has managed would be notable as it currently stands. Yes, a "to-do list" would be appropriate. —Eternal Equinox | talk 22:39, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Before Your Love

Why is "Before Your Love" constantly being removed from the article? It was in fact a single released with "A Moment Like This", and did in fact reach #1 on Billboard. It actually received radio play before "A Moment Like This" and reached the charts first.

Some people here seriously need to do some RESEARCH and stop argueing with those who have followed Kelly's career since the beginning. ~kellysgirl 8 May 2006

Please sign your message with four tildes (~~~~). See Misplaced Pages:Sign your posts on talk pages. Going back to the article; can you provide proof, in the form of an article or reliable website? TheKillerAngel 21:08, 9 May 2006 (UTC).

I took another look. That song is included with A Moment Like This. Check http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:Kelly%20Clarkson:1927641691:page=discography:subpage=singles . TheKillerAngel 21:14, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Breakaway Album Singles

The song "Breakaway" was a single by Disney Records before the Breakaway album was made. It is not an official single from the 'breakaway' album.. which means.. Since U Been Gone is the first single from the album itself. Behind These Hazel Eyes is the SECOND single from the album. Because Of You is the THIRD single from the album. Walk Away is the FOURTH single from the album. ~Kellysgirl 8 May 2006

How many times do you have to be told to sign your posts with four tildes? And you should realise that Breakaway was on the album, so technically it is a single FROM the album. Another thing, it was what the articles call a stopgap, which means that it was a point between albums. MorwenofLossarnarch 18:02, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Archive?

Should we archive at least some of the discussions, as this talk page is extremely long and many of the discussions are no longer active. MorwenofLossarnarch 18:06, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

It'd be a good idea. —Eternal Equinox | talk 19:39, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

How exactly do you archive a page? Is there a Wikipolicy on it? MorwenofLossarnarch 13:33, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Nope! There is not a Misplaced Pages policy, let me complete the procedure. —Eternal Equinox | talk 22:14, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Process complete. —Eternal Equinox | talk 22:19, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! MorwenofLossarnarch 02:03, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Go?

Should we make an article on Clarkson's new song 'Go'? I personally don't think so, but others might differ. Bye!MorwenofLossarnarch 16:12, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

No, it has not been released as a single. —Eternal Equinox | talk 17:39, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Yep, just what I was thinking. MorwenofLossarnarch 22:32, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages's focus?

I am new to the editing and review of Misplaced Pages. But as someone working on their PhD in history, I can't help but wonder why Kelly Clarkson rates such a long and detailed entry, when Carole King's entry is a third of the length of Clarkson's. It's not that I am biased for or against one or the other. I am just trying to understand why someone (King) who wrote over 500 songs that are well known to the American listening public does not warrant the same amount of detail as someone (Clarkson) who won a television contest. Again, not that I am biased for one or the other - I am just trying to understand. Is it because Clarkson is a current thing? I recognize that cultural importance is hard to gauge and measure, but are current things more important to the Misplaced Pages audience than historical things?

Merle rickard 14:29, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

It's because Wikipedians have written more about Clarkson than about King. One principle of Misplaced Pages is that there is no limit on the amount of content there can be (limit on the size of an article, sure - but that just means that overlarge articles get split into smaller chunks). Misplaced Pages has no focus beyond the simple fact that Wikipedians write about what they know and what interests them. Misplaced Pages, fundamentally, is written for its writers, not for its audience. Richard Gadsden 18:15, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Image on left side

Could I ask Hotwiki why he is constantly placing the image of Clarkson on SNL on the left side of the screen? This results in the music-sample box and the image to force the content and text to the middle. Is this necessary? —Eternal Equinox | talk 17:49, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

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