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October 29

Doctor Who Halloween?

Were any of the original Doctor Who episodes such as State of Decay aired as "Halloween" episodes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Medeis (talk • contribs) 01:59, 29 October 2013‎

First, as far as I know State of Decay was not a Halloween story. It aired from 22 Nov to 13 Dec 1980. Terrance Dicks had originally proposed a vampire story back in 1977, but it had been pulled just before production because of fears of a possible conflict with the BBC's Count Dracula starring Louis Jordan (coincidentally that production was aired on Halloween by my PBS station for a few years in the 1980's.) I have never read anything about the production team of the time trying to tie SoD to Halloween. @Redrose64: might have some info that I haven't seen though thus my ping for that editor. To the best of my knowledge no story from the Classic Series nor the new one has been written to tie directly into Halloween as an air date. Now there may have been a couple where the storyline took place at that time of year but I am drawing a blank on that at the moment. Also, there have been plenty that would fit into the horror genre - "Blink" can give a person nightmares. As to other holidays the Classic series had one episode that tied into Christmas. "The Feast of Steven" which was episode 7 of The Daleks' Master Plan aired on Christmas day 1965 and had the First Doctor wishing the viewing audience a Happy Christmas at the end of the episode. Of course, the new series has had a Christmas episode every year since 2006. Again this is all from memory so others may have info that I missed or have forgotten. MarnetteD | Talk 05:20, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

I've never seen anything in print that suggests that any of the original Doctor Who episodes were aired as "Halloween" episodes; in fact, until "The Christmas Invasion" (25 December 2005), the only seasonally-themed episode that I am aware of is "The Feast of Steven" (25 December 1965), as mentioned by MarnetteD. If you're hoping to watch this, don't get your hopes up, since this is the only episode from the original run which was wiped before it could be copied for overseas sale, so the chances of discovery in some far-off country are nil. You can still listen to it, as the soundtrack did get preserved (by a fan), and it is included with the soundtracks of the other eleven episodes of The Daleks' Master Plan and with that of "Mission to the Unknown" on a 5-disc CD set, ISBN 0-563-53500-8. --Redrose64 (talk) 07:56, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Mike & Molly TV show

So...why is this season called "The New Mike & Molly"?--Mark Miller (talk) 04:09, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Is it? I don't watch the show but a quick look at our article, the CBS web site, and IMDB seems to show just Mike & Molly wherever the title appears with just one exception, the CBS page for the show. And in that case, it looks like it's advertising the season premiere (thus new episodes of the same show) rather than saying the show as a whole is new. Dismas| 04:30, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

When they advertise "The New..." it always makes me think they have reengineered something. It could well be just an attention grabber.--Mark Miller (talk) 04:33, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

It is that, but it has a more sinister aspect. Once upon a time, in a faraway kingdom inhabited by happy people, broadcasts of episodes of TV series were assumed to be new unless the viewers were specifically told it was a repeat. That's all changed; now, unless it's specifically emblazoned with "NEW", we should expect a repeat. The stations are getting two bites at the cherry here; (a) they get to inject even more hype than they could before, by making what used to be the default expectation something to write home about, and (b) they are relieved of the responsibility of explicitly letting us know if they're rerunning a previously broadcast program. In other words, the default position is a rerun, but not an acknowledged rerun. And you wonder why people get cynical sometimes. The latest utter stupidity is "fast tracked from the USA". It started with a tiny trickle, but it's quickly become a torrent; just about every new episode is now supposedly "fast tracked from the USA". Ludicrous. -- Jack of Oz 10:32, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Or the ever-popular "All new..." as if we might have expected a combination of new and old otherwise. "Fast tracked", eh? Does that mean it was delivered electronically, as opposed to being sent by cargo ship? (And never mind that there are hardly any railroads connecting Australia with other continents, be they express or local.) ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 11:22, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes. Hardly any at all. I can't help thinking of Kep Enderby, a former politician, who made a speech in Parliament one day back in the 1970s, including the immortal line: Traditionally, most of our imports come from overseas. (This story might be apocryphal, but if he didn't say it, he should have.) -- Jack of Oz 12:07, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Apocryphal or not, it's mentioned in Events and issues that made the news in 1974. But I have searched Hansard for anything said by Kep Enderby between 1 January 1974 and 31 December 1974 which includes the word "imports" - and although there are 10 hits, none of them have the words "imports" and "overseas" in the same sentence. Perhaps it was a speech outside Parliament. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:30, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

The founder of a company I where I worked was quoted in the newspaper saying "We find we are more productive when we design a product before we start to produce it". (Of course, as a computer programmer, I was constantly asked to write programs before they developed the specs for them, and I always suspected that's where Microsoft's dancing paperclip came from.) StuRat (talk) 19:00, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

That's the most infuriating thing ever conceived by the mind of man. It took me too long to find out how to get rid of the damn thing, and only then did I discover I was supposed to have referred to it as "Clippy". Huh? What? -- Jack of Oz 02:05, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Hence my thought that it looks like something programmers with no specs make as a gag, only to be amazed when management actually puts it in the final product. StuRat (talk) 02:19, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

You are not alone in asking this question, Mark Miller. On the CBS page a "Mark L" (is that you?) has asked the same question, and the discussions on the aforementioned IMDB page show several people asking about the promos; one person mentions that there is a new showrunner for season 4. The TV Guide answer guy addresses the question here, but not definitively. So, new showrunner, new vocation for Molly, and if I might hazard a guess, since M&M was not scheduled to hit the schedule this soon, perhaps a little emphasis from the marketing department that they are not showing reruns. --LarryMac | Talk 13:32, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

No...not me. I seem to either use my real name or Amadscientist on other sites. I think I am my real name on IMDB. But thanks. That answers a lot.--Mark Miller (talk) 19:01, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

October 30

Is there a faith-based film that also has a Halloween theme?

Hi, Christian Challenge hosts a faith-based film for our ministry group every Wednesday night, and we need to find a film that gives a Christian message, but with a Halloween theme, as tomorrow is the day before Halloween. I'm having trouble finding what I'm looking for. Do you have any ideas / suggestions? Thanks. --199.0.195.236 (talk) 00:35, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

I have never quite understood the moral of It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown, but it may be a story of faith. It's not something I'd suggest though if you are not already familiar with it. μηδείς (talk) 01:12, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Veggie Tales Halloween double-feature: . StuRat (talk) 01:14, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Anything of Veggie Tales is certainly going to be religion-centered. The Great Pumpkin is basically a satire of religious faith, so although it's funny and entertaining, I don't recommend it for the "faith-based", as someone might suddenly get the point. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 02:01, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

And that would be a crying shame ;) Manytexts (talk) 03:01, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Tad confused. Is Christian Challenge a faith based group...or an editor on Misplaced Pages.......or both?--Mark Miller (talk) 03:04, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

If you Google "Christian challenge", it appears to be an organization, or maybe multiple organizations. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 03:28, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Point of order: The Great Pumpkin is a satire of Santa Claus. Schluz was overtly Christian in A Charlie Brown Christmas, he wasn't satirizing religion in The Great Pumpkin, he was satirizing the Santa Claus/Greed/Comercialization thing. --Jayron32 12:29, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Good point. And Linus himself is the most religious of the Peanuts kids. Though the Great Pumpkin still raises the question of a non-conventional belief system. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 16:25, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, again, I can't recommend Great Pumpkin sight unseen, but I don't think it is at all a satire of religion. It's amazingly challenging for a cartoon. Certainly a provocative subject for an adult audience. μηδείς (talk) 04:40, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Charles Schultz didn't necessarily intend for Peanuts to be child-oriented. He got into adult-level themes a great deal, to the point where it was included on the cover of a Time issue tagged "Comment in the Comics". I think he saw his characters as adults disguised as children. He supposedly hated the title Peanuts which was imposed on it by the comic strip syndicate. He preferred the title "Little Folks". ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 21:00, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Not sure if there are really "Christian message" films tailor made for Halloween. A favorite of mine that has some very strong morality tales (thou shall not covet in the greed sense not the adultery sense, pride, gluttony, and the need for strength verses perceived 'evil' etc.) is the Disney Sleepy Hollow version. Youtube has it even, tho the film is less than an hour, it is very G rated and to me at least illustrates the best parts of what makes Halloween unique, spooky, the fall season coming, and you can never go wrong with the combination of Washington Irving and Bing Crosby. _{⧐ Diamond Way} 03:13, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Scratching my head on this, I also remember a very excellent (and kind of spooky) film of Flatliners with some very heavy morality tales in it that would work for many Christian beliefs. I wouldn't recommend it for anything younger than teens or if there are families there with young children etc. _{⧐ Diamond Way} 03:22, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

It maybe important to keep in mind that a number of Christian sects regard Halloween as a pagan holiday or even a devil-worshiping holiday, so by definition in such a case, a faith-based presentation on Halloween would have to be opposed to Halloween. Presumably the creators of Veggie Tales don't take that viewpoint. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 09:59, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

As Bugs suggests, you should perhaps be looking for something dealing with the Christian All Hallows' Eve (hence "Halloween") and the following All Saints Day, rather than the coincidental/usurped themes of Samhain to which I shall be devoting myself. {The Poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 212.95.237.92 (talk) 14:28, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

How about The Nightmare Before Christmas? It's good entertainment anyway.--Shantavira| 14:24, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Not for a church group. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 16:25, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

That's a great movie, and it's rated PG. Don't listen to Bugs about this. Shadowjams (talk) 04:36, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

I always thought Christian churches considered Halloween to be "of the devil", so I'm surprised to see a request for a "Halloween movie with a Christian message". Have mainstream Christian churches moved away from this position? Joefromrandb (talk) 09:00, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Is that a joke? Catholicism certainly doesn't preach against Halloween, and neither do any major established Protestant sects. It certainly doesn't involve the osculum infame. Your view of Christianity seems overly influenced by True Blood. μηδείς (talk) 04:46, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

I've seen gospel tracts preaching against the holiday, and years ago, I remember a co-worker lamenting how millions of parents indoctrinate their children to "Satan worship" by dressing them up on Halloween. I guess his church had more extreme views on the subject than most. Joefromrandb (talk) 14:09, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Don't most theology-based Halloween movies convey a religious message? You wouldn't say that Saving Private Ryan conveys a pro war message would you? How about The Exorcist? Shadowjams (talk) 04:34, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Some of the more extreme Christians do indeed claim that doing anything with Halloween consistutes devil worship. (Maybe this is all moot now, it being All Saints Day by now.) ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 20:55, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Rough patches on hands

I weight lift a bit with metal dumbbells. I have rough patches on my palms at the start of each finger now and have seen these on other people too (possibly compulsive masturbators (no offence meant, i suppose it's a hobby)). Anyone know if these marks are avoidable with better gloves? I have gel gloves, but they don't appear to prevent it completely. I know this is a health question, but i'm asking on the basis that it is hardly life threatening, inconvenient, or something i could sue over (Not that i would try). It's a safe bet there's a few wikipedians who know about this also, since it's fairly common. Thanks ツ Jenova20 14:32, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

These sound like Callus to me and are nothing to worry about. I've been lifting with bare hands for about 30 years now and mine haven't gotten any bigger. I think most people who lift wear gloves to minimise the impact of calluses but you can never prevent them completely. Look upon them as a badge of honor! --TrogWoolley (talk) 14:56, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much TrogWoolley! If you have misdiagnosed me i will see you in court =P (That's a joke). Thanks again and have a nice afternoon ツ Jenova20 15:05, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

I had a similar problem with my lawnmower. It has a "dead man's switch" in the form of a bar that needs to be held against the handle to keep it running. Unfortunately, that bar kept pinching my hand in the same spot you mentioned. I found snowmobile gloves or thick leather gloves work best to prevent this. I look mighty odd wearing snowmobile gloves in August, though. StuRat (talk) 17:55, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

During the French Revolution and the English Civil War, aristocrats sometimes used to disguise themselves as ordinary working folk to avoid arrest. One look at the palms of their hands was enough to tell if they were honest workers or the pampered rich, simply by the callouses or the lack thereof. Perhaps they might have got away with it if they had been pumping iron ;-) Alansplodge (talk) 17:57, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

I bet the axeman was both callused and callous. StuRat (talk) 23:06, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Can't you keep it in place with an adjustable wrench or some string StuRat? Thanks ツ Jenova20 11:40, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Sure, but that would make it dangerous. I don't object to the concept of a dead man's switch, just to their particular implementation of it. The concept seems like a really good idea, to me. There are times when safety devices do seem to go overboard, though. One example is my top-load washing machine which refused to run with the top up. I quickly defeated that safety feature, as I don't do laundry while wearing a tie that could catch on the agitator. StuRat (talk) 21:06, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Please help resolve a dispute about a rule in American Football

A little help here would be appreciated, especially if someone can site the relevant NFL rule, but just general info is welcomed as well. Here's the scenario. Upon a kick off (but not a punt) the kicking team kicks the ball to the receiving team. The ball lands in the end zone, and then bounces back in to the field of play, say to the one yard line, and comes to a stop. No one from either team has touched the ball at this point. What is the potential now for this ball at the one yard line? Is it down? If not, what can either side potentially do upon recovery of the ball? Ditch ∝ 18:34, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

I'll check the rule book in a second to cite chapter and verse, but AFAIK, on kickoffs, all balls are live so long as a) they go over ten yards and b) they have not gone out-of-bounds. On kickoffs, the ball does not become dead unless it goes out-of-bounds or a player takes posession of it and is properly downed. So in your scenario, the ball is live until a player from either team picks it up. --Jayron32 18:45, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict)To the best of my knowledge a kickoff is considered a live ball until it is covered by one team or the other - with the exception of a ball that has gone less then 10 yards forward - see the onside kick rules. Thus, in your scenario if the kicking team covers the ball it is first and goal for their offense. If the receiving team covers the ball it is first and 10 at the one yard line for their offense. If this is incorrect I am sure that other editors will correct this. MarnetteD | Talk 18:49, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Just a little side question... if their offense recovered the ball, would it be first & goal, or can the offense move the ball forward for a touchdown? Astronaut (talk) 19:37, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

I should have added that I confined my answer to one player falling on the ball and getting touched by the opposite team so that the ball would be downed. Either team could also pick it up and advance it and there are all sorts of things that could happen including the kicking team scoring a touchdown. MarnetteD | Talk 20:39, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

From the NFL rule book, , Rule 7, Section 2 "Dead ball": a ball is dead

(i) when a loose ball comes to rest anywhere in the field of play, and no player attempts to recover it; the official covering the play should pause momentarily before signaling that the ball is dead. Any legal (or illegal) kick is awarded to the receivers, and any other ball is awarded to the team last in possession. When awarded to a team behind a goal line, the ball is placed on the one-yard line.

So the answer is that the ball is dead and belongs to the receiving team. Duoduoduo (talk) 21:57, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

The operative word in that rule is "and no player attempts to recover it". It would be very bizarre that both teams would let a ball bounce around unattended on a kick-off, as special teams players all know that both teams can recover the ball on such play. Here,s the rule from nfl.com: "A kickoff is illegal unless it travels 10 yards OR is touched by the receiving team. Once the ball is touched by the receiving team or has gone 10 yards, it is a free ball. Receivers may recover and advance. Kicking team may recover but NOT advance UNLESS receiver had possession and lost the ball." . The fact that the ball bounced in the end zone and back on the field does not change anything: the receiving team can down the ball at the one-yard line, or attempt to advance it, or the kicking team can recover the ball at the one-yard line but not advance it. If indeed the unthinkable scenario occurs in which no one attempts anything at this point and the ball just sits there until the referee blows the whistle, then the section of the rule book quoted by Duoduoduo comes into play, and his interpretation is correct. --Xuxl (talk) 13:48, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

What is that part about the one-yard line? I thought a ball that went into the end zone was placed at the 20 yard line? RudolfRed (talk) 20:25, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

You're thinking of a touchback, where a kick bounces or flies through the end zone untouched. That's a fairly common occurrence. A fourth-down punt likewise is a touchback if it lands in the end zone untouched. That's because the kicking team on a fourth-down punt cannot recover the ball unless the receiving touches it first. If it settles within the goal lines untouched, or is downed by the kicking team, the officials spot it wherever it was downed. But a kickoff is different. It's a "free kick" - it's anybody's ball, and as long as it remains within the 120 yards of the field (including end zones), it's a "live" ball. If no one touches such a ball (like if all 22 players suddenly pass out from the heat), then the officials follow the rules book in spotting it. If the receiving team downs it in the end zone, it's a touchback and it comes out to the twenty. If the kicking team downs it in the end one, it's a touchdown and they get 6 points. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 21:24, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

key change

Hello, how can I change this song's key into D minor and put in Youtube ? 198.105.111.86 (talk) 22:31, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

The song is: "Raymond - no rain and no moon (TV series "The Purple Hairpin Romance" theme song Cantonese Version) Composer: Tang Chi Wai Words: Lindsay" Video removed as copyright violation. No evidence that the uploader is the copyright holder. Unfortunately we cannot assist you in uploading this to Youtube.--Mark Miller (talk) 23:47, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

How to upload a song in Youtube ? 198.105.111.86 (talk) 00:18, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

That question alone is best answered at the computer reference desk.--Mark Miller (talk) 00:21, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

This song (no rain and no moon) is in E-flat minor. I think E-flat minor is sadder than D minor. The E-flat minor can make someone cry. 198.105.111.86 (talk) 00:31, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

E-flat minor makes me feel like killing myself. OK, maybe a slight exaggeration. But what do you mean by changing the song's key? Wouldn't that mean transposing it, playing it yourself and recording that performance, then uploading the video? -- Jack of Oz 06:48, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Leaving aside the copyright questions, Audacity is a free sound recording program that can change the key of an audio track without changing the tempo. --Nicknack009 (talk) 10:50, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Ah yes, I've heard there's this thing called "modern technology". I must read all about it when I download the internet and print it out for my weekend reading. Shouldn't be more than a few dozen pages, surely. No, on second thought, I'd better put 100 pages in the feeder to be on the safe side. -- Jack of Oz 14:09, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

I recommend using a small font. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 21:17, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

_{With no spacing inbetween...--Mark Miller (talk) 21:22, 31 October 2013 (UTC)}

October 31

UK children's book about winged people

This is possibly an obscure question in the extreme, so apologies ^^; In the late 1990s/early 2000s there was a series of books (the Oxford Reading Tree Treetops) being used in primary schools in the UK, and there was one in the higher stages of the system which was set in a world of winged humans, that treated the wings as being totally normal and from what I remember was a fairly nice slice-of-lifey story about a boy who's useless at flying but learns to get better at it. I can't for the life of me remember the title though, and in the absence of access to old books teaching children to read, does anyone else remember this and know where I could find it? 5.151.78.220 (talk) 00:39, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

I'm not from the UK and I've never heard of the series, but I did some digging. First, this site has a lot of the fiction books form the series- amazon does too- here's the OUP page for them . After an hour of looking through titles, tons of permutations on obvious google searches, and trying to dig up summaries, I couldn't find the book you were looking for- nothing seems to jump out as being that story, and summaries seem hard to locate en masse. At any rate, this , appears to have all of their publications, organized so you can track what you read, maybe one of the titles will "jump out" for you (it is broken down by stages, so that could be useful). Sorry I couldn't be of more help- if you remember anymore details, let me know, I'd be willing to give it another go (is it possible it is from another series?)- if you do find the title, please post it, it frustrates me to not be able to find something! Good luck:-)Phoenixia1177 (talk) 08:46, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

What Phoenxia said...although I only spent less than an hour on it.--Mark Miller (talk) 21:24, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Enotris Johnson (+ Little Richard)

Enotris Johnson is listed as one of the 3 creators of Long Tall Sally.

Questions:

• Is/Was this a real person?
  • Here "Around this time, popular disc jockey Honey Chile introduced Robert to a young girl named Enotris Johnson who had the notion of writing a song for Little Richard to record to raise money for an operation needed by her Aunt Mary."
  • Here (careful...) "A teenaged girl named Enotris Johnson walked from Appaloosa, Mississippi to New Orleans to find Little Richard and sell him an idea for a song, because her aunt was sick and they needed the money to put her in the hospital."
  • Here "Enotris Johnson and his wife, Ann Johnson, devout white Seventh Day Adventists, adopted and raised a total of a dozen children, both black and white. One of these was Richard Penniman, who took on the stage name of Little Richard in the '50s."
  • Here there is general doubt.

So - any additional information?

Does anybody have access to the Social Security Death index (if "16 years old" she must have been born around 1940)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grey Geezer (talk • contribs) 12:00, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

How about the first name Enotris? Rare? Insider joke? Probable or unique ?

Thanks for any clues! GEEZER 07:34, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

The last story appears to be bunk. Little Richard's bio in Rolling Stone says "He moved in with a white family, Ann and Johnny Johnson, who ran Macon's Tick Tock Club" after he was kicked out of his own family at 13. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:20, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Part of the "walk from Appaloosa" long tall tale is repeated in Rolling Stone (no mention of her poor sick auntie), this time in its article about the song itself. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:33, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Seems to be a real name. This site claims there are 4 Enotrises in the US, three in Texas and one in Mississippi. Just in case those peoople were named after a fictional Enotris Johnson, I can also offer Enotris Mercer, born 1904 in Mississippi.  Card Zero  (talk) 23:10, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

So, it is a female name, right? --Krächz (talk) 23:54, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

... and it is used mainly in the South.

 Card Zero  can you have another look in the SSDR? Is this 1904 Enotris - a potentially 50 year old woman in the mid fifties - the only Enotris there? Thanks GEEZER 06:38, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Of the sources listed, I'd be more likely to assume Allmusic.com is the most reliable - it usually gives fairly accurate information - but, in this case, apparently not. I've checked on Ancestry.com, and there is a record of Enotris J. Johnson living at Bogalusa, Louisiana. Unfortunately, the record gives no gender and is undated - it comes from "U.S. Public Records Index, Volume 2 . Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Original data: Voter Registration Lists, Public Record Filings, Historical Residential Records, and Other Household Database Listings". However the detail of Enotris Johnson living in Bogalusa is confirmed by a plausible if not definitive post here - again undated but pre-dating its re-posting in 2009:

"What happen to Enotris Johnson, the song writer that almost became a star? She loved the music industry very much and still does. She says that Little Richard was her brother back then. She married a preacher back in September 10, 1956; that ended all of her musical dreams because he was a man of God and he could not have his wife singing the blues. You can only think of what was expected of a housewife back in the 1950’s. Enotris now lives in Bogalusa, Louisiana. She is now 72 years old. She has one daughter, Wilma Dunn, resides in Asheville, North Carolina, with her husband. Enotris is a warm loving mother and friend and still supports her husband. Every once in a while you can hear her wailing on that piano and singing in the middle of the night. You would just love to sit around her and hear her tell all the stories from back in the day when all of the old singers were at their humble beginnings. Enotris Johnson has lived a full and happy life with her husband and being the idea preacher’s wife."

Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:27, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Also, there is a reference here to the funeral of Money L. Johnson, 60, died October 3, 2000: "He is survived by two sisters, Mrs. Enotris Johnson, wife of Rev. W.J. Johnson... of Bogalusa; and one brother..". Rev. W.J. Johnson is associated with the Tree of Life Baptist Church in Bogalusa, details here. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:37, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

This story is quite dubious. I know a woman named Ann Johnson took her in and Enotris' name was brought up as a child but I haven't seen actual confirmation of her. Unless Enotris was Ann Johnson's middle name? It's a bit weird. BrothaTimothy (talk · contribs) 14:46, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

@BrothaTimothy - when you say "took her in", do you mean took Richard in? It's interesting that the source I quoted says "Little Richard was her brother back then". Could she have been Ann Johnson's daughter (adopted?). Several sources refer to Enotris as Ann Johnson's husband, but I think that's an error - more reliable sources refer to him as John(ny) Johnson. (Or, could "Johnny Johnson" have been the name that Enotris Johnson was known by? - that is, were they one and the same person?) This source refers to Enotris as a "nonprofessional female lyricist", citing Charles White's 1985 bio The Life and Times of Little Richard - but, White may not be a very reliable source. Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:06, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

By the way, at BMI, Enotris Johnson is credited with 16 titles, including "Jenny, Jenny" as well as "Long Tall Sally". Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:32, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the answers so far! GEEZER 08:11, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

French film on colonialism in French Polynesia

Are there any famous French films on colonialism in French Polynesia?--The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 14:40, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

I suggest asking this question at the French Misplaced Pages reference desk. The machine translated question would be: "Yat-il des célèbres films français sur le colonialisme en Polynésie française?". I believe the page is called "The Bistro" . (You can use Google translate to read any answer.)--Mark Miller (talk) 23:48, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Bistro is more like our Village Pump. Their version of the Reference Desk is

Maybe...but if a machine is all you have...--Mark Miller (talk) 02:24, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

I found Category:Films set in French Polynesia although not many of them seem to be French. I'll have another try later, when I have more time. Alansplodge (talk) 08:47, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

This page may provide some leads. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:06, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

(ec) I searched around as well, with little luck; there is an equivalent category in the French wikipedia to that mentioned by Alansplodge, but it's not any more helpful (Catégorie:Film_se_déroulant_en_Polynésie_française). This page about films shot on location in French Polynesia only mentions one that fits the OP's criteria, Alain Corneau's Le Prince du Pacifique, a 2000 film that is set in 1918 but does not sound too realistic (the IMDB entry is here ). I'm surprised that there isn't more, but that's all I can find using various search terms in French. --Xuxl (talk) 09:11, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Reading Ghmyrtle's link above, I searched to see if "Le mariage de Loti" by Pierre Loti, a relatively well-known French novel set in 19th-century Tahiti, was ever turned into a movie, but I couldn't find anything. --Xuxl (talk) 09:15, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

The closest thing I can find is L'Ordre et la Morale, about the Ouvéa cave hostage taking in New Caledonia in 1988. That's not French Polynesia, but it is a French territory in the Pacific... Adam Bishop (talk) 09:37, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Even in English, the pickings appear to be slim. The only ones I can recall that aren't totally obscure are F. W. Murnau's Tabu (1931) and John Ford's The Hurricane (1937). Clarityfiend (talk) 12:11, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

You missed Donovan's Reef--TrogWoolley (talk) 12:54, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

I didn't. The OP asked for famous. While I thought it was okay, DR is one of the Duke's lesser-known films. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:44, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

It's near the top of my personal list of favourite JW films. It's a short list. -- Jack of Oz 00:13, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

'Fess up. It's Mike Mazurki in those shorts, isn't it? Clarityfiend (talk) 02:40, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Erm, no. If only you knew what really turns me on. -- Jack of Oz 08:30, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

And The Devil at 4 O'Clock. (Which apparently has nothing to do with Le diable à quatre. Supposedly.) -- Jack of Oz 18:56, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

November 1

Introduction of more than one narrative in TV shows

The article Tjhit Liap Seng on the 1886 Perakan novel, it mentions among the author's Indies literature innovations, a double narrative. This set me wondering if anyone can tell me when TV series such as black-and-white detective shows changed to a two or more narrative device - suspect it has something to do with longer running times because the early ones were half-hour shows. Thanks in advance Manytexts (talk) 00:27, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Our article on Subplot suggest that Shakespeare did it in Henry IV, Part 2, so I'm not so sure it was really that innovative in 1886. As for the running time, modern shows often do it with a 22 minute run time, so there isn't really any reason why that could have been an issue. I can't tell you any older show with b-plots, though. Hopefully someone will have some examples soon. Mingmingla (talk) 00:43, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

It depends on how it's defined. Recurring characters, story arcs and that sort of thing have been around for a long time. They get a bit more complicated nowadays. The typical Person of Interest episode has at least two plots going on, sometimes three. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 11:27, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Another factor is the size of the cast. The more players, the more flexibility. In the typical MASH episode, there was a tendency toward multiple plot lines involving different small groups of characters. That takes us back to the early to mid 70s, at least. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 12:28, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

And I would think that soap operas have been that way for a very long time. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 12:30, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Another current series that has a multitude of narratives is Game of Thrones. The same applies to the books that the show is adapted from. MarnetteD | Talk 19:18, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

The more you think about it, the farther back it goes. Remember the hackneyed expression in westerns, "Meanwhile, back at the ranch..."? ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 20:52, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Can someone help with interpreting Lady Gaga's song, Judas?

I know the song is sung in the point of view of Mary Magdalene, the female disciple of Jesus. What I don't get is the chorus. What is that supposed to mean, or is that just to reiterate "Jesus is my virtue / Judas is the demon I cling to / I cling to" lines? It's a pop song, so there are a lot of slang terms that I am not familiar with. And how many of Lady Gaga's songs are related to or allude to Christianity? 140.254.227.58 (talk) 12:21, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

As you say it's a pop song, so I shouldn't read too much into it. You might start with reading the Holy Fool page though, where it says "Fools for Christ often employ shocking, unconventional behaviour to challenge accepted norms, deliver prophecies or to mask their piety" in the introductory paragraph. From my limited knowledge of the lady in question's output I'd imagine that that's a concept she could relate to. Blakk and ekka 12:34, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

That really sounds like Lady Gaga, notorious of her wild imagination and provocative outfits. 140.254.227.58 (talk) 12:41, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Shawshank

Was the movie The Shawshank Redemption based in part on The Count of Monte Cristo? I see quite a number of plot similarities, but I don't know if this was due to actual borrowing of plot elements, or merely to thinking alike. 24.23.196.85 (talk) 23:00, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Oops, it says in the article that it was actually based on a Stephen King novel. So my question should have been, was Stephen King inspired by The Count of Monte Cristo when he wrote that novel? 24.23.196.85 (talk) 23:03, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

In both stories, a man is falsely imprisoned and then takes some revenge on those who wronged him. Vaguely similar on a high level. But did the warden imprison the guy, or was the warden merely the resident sadist? ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 23:59, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

I haven't read Stephen Kings novel, but I have seen the movie and read (and enjoyed) Dumas' novel. And it is clear to me that it is mainly a superficial resemblance. In Dumas' novel the actual imprisonment takes up a very small percentage of the story. The protagonist discovers a treasure which when he escapes he applies in a very elaborate scheme to act out his monomanic thoughts about revenge on the people outside of prison which framed him and hurt his family (this revenge part takes up most of the novel). The movie is almost entirely set inside the prison and while the protagonist is judicially vindicated in the end, his only grudge seems to be with the warden in the prison and his only thought when escaping is to get far away and live a quiet life. So in effect two very dissimilar stories. --Saddhiyama (talk) 00:12, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Agreed, one is a story of revenge, and the other is a story, of, well, redemption. StuRat (talk) 03:22, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

November 2

Andre Rieu orchestra

what type of flute does Teun Ramaekers play in the Andre Rieu band?86.163.176.101 (talk) 00:03, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

This implies that he plays many different flute-like instruments. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 00:14, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Ice hockey

How are regulation time four-on-four (one man short for each team) and four-on-three (one man short for one team and two men short for the other) penalties enforced in overtime in the National Hockey League? Overtime normally begins with a four-on-four, but I can't imagine they play three-on-three or three-on-two because there always needs to be at least three men (plus the goaltender) per team on the ice. How are those types of penalties enforced? Do they wait for a stoppage of play to enforce the subsequent penalties? 71.146.7.176 (talk) 04:48, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Are you talking regular season or playoffs? And keep in mind that time is always called when a penalty is called (unless it's a delayed penalty, which is another story). ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 10:24, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

• Our article on Penalty_(ice_hockey)#Enforcement_of_penalties states that in the NHL and some other leagues overtime does indeed start 4 on 4 and will go to 4 on 3 if a ref calls such a penalty, any subsequent penalty will be enforced by the non-violating team adding a player to the ice so that the game will resemble a 5 on 3 during overtime. _{⧐ Diamond Way} 10:28, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
  • The fact that time is called when a penalty occurs is important. Even forgetting the kind of shuffling they might do in overtime, on minor penalties the penalized player always has to go to the penalty box. In regulation, if a new penalty would drop the total players on the ice below the minimum, they put another, non-penalized player on the ice while the penalized player sits. (For coincident major penalties, of course, the two penalized players sit in the box but the teams don't lose any players on the ice.) ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 10:37, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
    • The OP mentioned "3 men plus the goaltender", but in the NHL the goaltender doesn't have to be one of the four. A team is free to pull the goalie for an extra-man advantage, but if they do so and lose, they don't get a point for the overtime loss. While this renders pulling the goalie pointless in the overwhelming majority of situations, it can come into play very late in the season if a team is vying for a playoff berth. (Or, if a team can get a higher seed with two points but won't drop to a lower seed with zero.) Joefromrandb (talk) 11:31, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
      • Pulling the goaltender is usually done for one of these two reasons: (1) To add a sixth attacker in the final minute or so of regulation play if you're down by a goal or sometimes two; or (2) when a delayed penalty has been called on the other team and a sixth attacker might help. Pulling the goaltender for reason 1, by definition cannot occur in overtime. Pulling the goalie when you're tied would be a pretty wild gamble. Reason 2 can occur anytime and is harmless to the attacking team as they can't be scored upon (unless they clumsily hit the puck into their own goal). ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 12:01, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
        • You're mistaken, Bugs; pulling the goaltender can occur in overtime, at least in the NHL (although it adds a fifth attacker rather than a sixth). When the NHL eliminated ties and went to the current format that gives one point for an overtime loss, they specifically added the rule that if the goalie was pulled for an extra attacker, and the team that pulled the goalie lost, that team would not get a point. This was done to prevent teams feeling they had nothing to lose by pulling the goaltender, as they get two points for a win and one point for an overtime loss. Eliminating the point for an overtime loss with the goalie pulled makes it a foolhardy move in all but the rarest situations, which I described above. Joefromrandb (talk) 12:38, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
          • So it did make some sense, for a while, to pull the goalie in overtime when the game was necessarily a tie at that point. That wouldn't happen in the playoffs, where there's none of this "points" tomfoolery - you either win, or you lose. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 16:23, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Win or lose after 4 or 5 hours and in theory it may go on forever in the playoffs. _{⧐ Diamond Way} 02:56, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

That's the beauty of it. The cleanest hockey you've ever seen is in those 4th, 5th and 6th periods. In the old regular season days, it was pretty simple: win = 2, tie = 1, lose = 0. I wonder if anyone has done any kind of study to retrofit a given recent season and see if any of the playoff qualifiers would have been different from what they were. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 05:22, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Thor 2

I just watched Thor: The Dark World yesterday, and the ending opened a can of questions. So okay, I get that Loki may have disguised himself as the warrior who informed Odin of Loki's apparent death. What I cannot get is, what happened to Odin? Must I wait till Thor 3 to get that answer? And how did he fake his death? This is unlike his apparent death in 2011's Thor. This time he was actually impaled! Ah, the God of Mischief...

Additionally, I also wish to ask (this time it's concerning non-fiction), why is it that for the credits in the poster, Anthony Hopkins is credited as "Anthony Hopkins as Odin", whereas Chris Hemsworth and the rest are simply credited by just their names? ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 09:48, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

I can think of two possible reasons for the difference in the credit:

1) AH negotiated that in his contract. Stars sometimes do that, as it puts more emphasis on them.

2) The makers of the film want everyone to know he has a major part, so people who like that actor will watch. StuRat (talk) 15:47, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Stadiums built for a particular major sporting event being demolished after that event

How common is it for a stadium that was built specifically built for a particular major sporting event (Olympics, World Cup, etc.) to be demolished immediately or soon after the completion of said event? I'm aware of certain examples, such as the Centennial Olympic Stadium being converted to Turner Field after the 1996 Summer Olympics (although this is more of a renovation than a demolition, but it's close and is probably the most famous example), the Théâtre des Cérémonies from the 1992 Winter Olympics (of which I can't find any pictures of online for some reason), the stadium which will be built at the Olympic Park of Hoenggye for the 2018 Winter Olympics, and the Basketball Arena and beach volleyball stadium from the 2012 Summer Olympics. I once read shortly after the announcement that Qatar would host the 2022 FIFA World Cup that at least some of the stadia would be demolished after the games, although I'm not sure if that plan is going ahead. Are there any other notable examples? And finally, what were the reasons why the aforementioned stadiums were demolished/are to be demolished instead of being renovated or downsized after the games? Narutolovehinata5 10:02, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this counts, but the Don Valley Stadium in Sheffield, which was built for the 1991 World Student Games, is being demolished because the city council can't afford to run it. --TammyMoet (talk) 12:21, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Wukesong Baseball Field, built for the 2008 Beijing Olympics, was demolished immediately afterwards. It was planned that way, but it was still quite a nice facility. It has happened a few times with Olympic venues as they tend to be expensive to maintain and not to get much use, especially if they were designed for a sport that's not very popular in the host country. --Xuxl (talk) 15:35, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

It seems to be a fundamental flaw in the model of holding the Olympics in one city, which inevitably means they need far more stadium capacity for the few days of the Olympics than they need permanently. I have a hard time thinking that they make enough money from the Olympics to pay for the cost to build and then demolish a stadium. So, the result is probably the host country wasting lots of resources just for pride. I think they should move to a model of the Olympics in several locations. They could spread them out over a longer time frame, too, if people need time to travel from one location to another. StuRat (talk) 15:41, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

That complaint has been circulated about the last World Cup, in South Africa, and the upcoming World Cup and Summer Olympics, in Brazil. Another example like Turner Field is the Montreal Olympic Stadium, which was modified to some extent to accommodate baseball, and as far as I know is well-nigh abandoned now. The sad fact is that a normal building can have many uses, but a stadium has only one type of use, and if abandoned by sports teams it becomes a derelict. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 16:20, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Empire Field in Vancouver was built for a single season of Canadian Football and soccer while the real stadium (an Olympic venue, incidentally, was renovated (oddly, after the Olympics.) Mingmingla (talk) 17:26, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

As others have said, it's fairly common for these facilities to become derelict once they aren't needed any more. The bobsled track in Lake Placid, New York has not come to this demise though due in part to the fact that they have it open as an attraction. The average person can go and pay to have a run down the track. I believe they have an employee actually driving and braking the bobsled but the rest of the people in the sled are paying tourists. And if I'm not mistaken, it's open year-round with special sleds for the summer months. Dismas| 23:40, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Horror films starring Canadian actors?

Thank you in advance!!! Apart from the Final Destination franchise which I know is plagued by Canadians (in the good sense). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.178.144.135 (talk) 15:06, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Do the films in Category:Canadian horror films count? Narutolovehinata5 15:09, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

• Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978 film) (Donald Sutherland) and The Lost Boys (Kiefer Sutherland), for two. David Cronenberg has acted in a few. Michael Ironside in Scanners, etc. --Michig (talk) 15:15, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you both, but I was looking for newer films let's say 1990's onward. Does anybody know any film? Thank you anyway for your quick replies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.178.144.135 (talk) 15:19, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

To re-iterate Narutolovehinata5, a good place to start is Category:Canadian horror films. If you know how to search on the page in your browser, look for "(20" to find films made after 1999 whose titles are shared by other Misplaced Pages articles.

Unfortunately, some of the categorizing is pretty loose. For example, The Woman in Black is essentially a British film but because it had some Canadian distribution it's categorized as also Canadian. You mentioned Final Destination, which is American with Canadian actors. Do the films need to not be Canadian themselves? ± Lenoxus (" *** ") 19:36, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

A recent one is House of Wax starring Elisha Cuthbert. (And Paris Hilton!) Adam Bishop (talk) 02:01, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Scary Movie 3 with Pamela Anderson, or was I the only one that thought it was scary lol? _{⧐ Diamond Way} 04:51, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Zombie Hunter film music

For some reason I couldn't find the tune seemingly titled "Make Them Sweat" from Zombie Hunter . Anyone knows (perhaps it's an exclusive track for that film)? --Brandmeister 19:46, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Two cricket questions: non-simultaneous runs, and wicket-knocking

In cricket, it is generally assumed that after a hit ball, both batsman will run at about the same pace and will cross the other crease at about the same time. What if, for some reason, just one of the batsman ran for two runs while the other stayed still, then the other ran two runs while the first one stood still? Would the second runner's first cross mean he'd "caught up" to the first runner's first run, thus scoring a full run at that point? And likewise with the second run leading to an actual increase in the score? Just how "non-simultaneous" can runs be?

I know that Law 18 says "A run is scored... so often as the batsmen, at any time while the ball is in play, have crossed and made good their ground from end to end." Does this mean the "crossing" is a key element of the run? Maybe it can be thought of this way: Step 1 is to cross paths. Step 2 is when either batsman made his ground. Step 3 is when the other batsman made his ground. For a run to be scored, all three steps must happen, in that order, and logically cannot overlap with the steps of the next run.

Meanwhile, I've seen fielders sometimes accidentally knock the wicket without using the ball. This seems to "invalidate" that wicket for the rest of the play, because no one is going to reset it until the play is over, and it can't get "re-knocked", its bails already being dislodged. What if this happened to both wickets? Surely the batsman wouldn't be deprived of all remaining possibilities for getting out, since that would in turn suggest that in the event of such erroneous fielding, they could score infinite runs. So how is that resolved? ± Lenoxus (" *** ") 19:57, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

To answer the first part, yes the batsmen have to cross. If one of the batsmen ran and the other stayed still, not only would the run not count, but if the stumps were broken at the other end, his partner would be out because he hadn't made his ground. You are right - all 3 parts must happen. The Laws of Cricket do cover the second scenario you explain too, without giving chapter and verse, if there is any part of the wicket still in the ground the fielder must knock them out of the ground with the hand holding the ball. --TammyMoet (talk) 20:17, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

I probably should have looked at http://www.lords.org/mcc/laws-of-cricket/laws/law-28-the-wicket-is-down/ . Thank you! ± Lenoxus (" *** ") 20:31, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

This is the best illustration of Law 29 and the concept of "crossing" that I know of. And both English and Australian viewers can enjoy it, which is not a common cricketing occurrence. ;) Tevildo (talk) 22:11, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Clearly, the two batsmen have to pass each other at least once in order to get at least one run. I'm curious whether they have to run in a reasonably straight line from one wicket to the other, or can they meander (for who knows what reason) if they were so inclined? ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 23:27, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

The popping creases extend indefinitely either side of the stumps, so there's no explicit restriction on the route a batsman can take between them. A batsman who takes a "meandering" route for tactical reasons might very well be out "obstructing the field", and might be considered as having "left the field of play" and therefore being liable to a dismissal of "timed out" under Law 31 or "retired-out" within the provisions of Law 2.5 if his course takes him out of the ground. Tevildo (talk) 23:45, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

November 3

Tropes or trope names coined at TV Tropes

What are examples of trope names that were first coined by people contributing to TV Tropes, as well as tropes which were actually first "discovered" by the contributors of said website? As in, trope names created specifically by/for TV Tropes contributors to name a particular trope, as well as tropes which had not been mentioned or noticed in any outlet prior to the creation of their TV Tropes page? The aforementioned link does mention the following:

"Some tropes have a long history of usage, and somebody else may have coined a name for it, some pre-existing terms are admittedly opaque, require knowledge of a certain Trope Namer, have been forgotten by the public consciousness (or just never caught on in the first place). In cases like these, it may be better to just invent the name ourselves." (italics mine)

In the case of the former, the trope "Put On A Bus" and Chuck Cunningham Syndrome are probably good examples of a pre-existing trope names; on the other hand, in previous years, when I was still a frequent visitor to the site, I found some (admittedly obscure) tropes whose names did not seem to be common or even used outside of the website, although I am currently unable to remember any examples (are the terms "Soap Opera Rapid Aging Syndrome" or The Other Darrin used outside of TV Tropes, or did the terms exist before TV Tropes' creation?) There also appears to be something called YKTTW where apparently new tropes are "proposed", although I don't know if it's only for proposing names for tropes which were previously unnamed. Narutolovehinata5 03:10, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Professional sports with different rules

So in American Major League Baseball, half the teams use the Designated Hitter rule and the other half does not. Are there any other professional sports where this is the case? RudolfRed (talk) 05:29, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

MLB is the only one of the four top-level pro sports which has separate leagues, which is why this DH oddity exists in the first place. Before the mergers of the NFL-AFL, the NBA-ABA and the NHL-WHA, there were some differences in the rules between the leagues, but these "mergers" were really acquisitions, and for the most part the acquiring league's rules prevailed. If you're talking leagues other than the top level, leagues that are independent can do what they want to. The Northern League in the early 2000s had at least one female player. That's out of the question in MLB and its affiliated minor leagues. That was a personnel rule, though, not a rules-of-the-game situation. Prior to the effective dissolution of the two leagues as governing bodies, there were other subtle differences between the two leagues, such as the authorized manufacturer of the game ball, and other equipment rules. There were also differences in rules about curfews and how to conduct tiebreakers. But until the DH came along, the two leagues had operated under the same set of playing rules since the early 1900s. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 06:13, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand what you mean about the Northern League. One woman (Ila Borders) played in the league, but teams were not mandated to suit a woman player. And women players are allowed in organized baseball as well - there is nothing in the rules that explicitly prevent them from playing. --Xuxl (talk) 14:10, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

One exception to "for the most part the acquiring league's rules prevailed" is the 3 point shot and dunk that the ABA introduced in 1967-68, the NBA still didn't allow those then tho they may have adopted them just prior to the 1976 merger. And Bugs would know more in a general sense, the only reason I am aware of the ABA trivia is the Pittsburgh Pipers were 'kings of the world' in '68, dunk, dunk, three! _{⧐ Diamond Way} 08:38, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it was the ABA that introduced the 3-point shot, and the NBA accepted it. Similarly, the AFL allowed the 2-point conversion (as with college play) and the NFL adopted that when they merged. That was an actual merger, in the sense that all the teams remained intact. One thing the NBA did not take in was the red-white-and-blue basketball of the ABA. That was kind of a shame. As regards the slam-dunk (a term coined by Chick Hearn), I thought the NBA allowed that. It was the NCAA that prohibited it for a while, during the UCLA and Lew Alcindor (Kareem Jabbar) dominance. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 09:28, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

The ABA ball is still used during the Three-Point Shootout competition during the NBA All-Star Weekend; it's also called the money ball. While we're in the subject of basketball, while this isn't really a difference within one league, in basketball, the NBA has 12-minute quarters, while FIBA rules dictate only 10 minutes per quarter, so in most basketball leagues (like in Europe), as well as international games and tournaments, you'll often see 10 minute quarters instead. The North American Soccer League and Major League Soccer during its early years experimented with rules that differed from FIFA rules (such as , in the case of the NASL, the game stopping when the time reached 0 instead of at the referee's whistle) Narutolovehinata5 09:46, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

There's only one major hockey league in North America now but in the 1920s there was also the Western Hockey League and the Pacific Coast Hockey Association. The PCHA folded in 1926 but some of its teams, players, and more importantly, administrators (Frank Patrick and Lester Patrick) joined the NHL. In the 20s and 30s the NHL adopted some PCHA rules, the most famous probably being the penalty shot. Adam Bishop (talk) 10:49, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

The forward pass came out of the PCHA as well. That was certainly an even bigger deal. Mingmingla (talk) 17:30, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Neither the three-point shot in basketball, nor the two-point conversion in football were adopted immediately upon merger (or absorption) of the competitor league; it took a few years in both cases for the innovation from the "junior" league to be integrated in the rules (the three-point shot in 1979-80, while the merger was in 1976; the two-point conversion was introduced in 1994, while the two leagues had merged 15 years earlier). In soccer, another big difference between NASL and FIFA rule was the offside line was at the 35-yard-line in the NASL (it's the center line in all other forms of the game), making for a more open attacking game (that's one rule FIFA should have considered adopting); the shootout to resolve ties (instead of penalty shots) was another interesting innovation that died with the NASL. --Xuxl (talk) 14:09, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

<ec> Just to be accurate, the NBA did not adopt the ABA's three-point shot upon the 1976 merger. The rule did not come to the NBA until 1979. (The rule was also used by the ABL from 1961 to 1964.) ... Similarly, the NFL did not take on the AFL's two-point conversion when they merged in 1970, waiting until 1994 to implement the rule.    → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 14:22, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Whatever happened to Archie Lewis a black singer with Geraldo's Orchestra and the BBC too

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Can you please let me know a little about this wonderful and talented young man. I seem to come to a stand still with every site I turn to regarding his life and career. I seem to remember him being pilloried for being gay back in the times when it was deemed unacceptable (40's to 50's)

I can find an odd song or two on You Tube ie. When you were sweet sixteen etc but no reference anywhere to his life. 5.81.38.87 (talk) 14:15, 3 November 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.81.38.87 (talk) 14:01, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

His name meant nothing to me until your question. You're right that there seems to be precious little about him online, apart from mentions of some of the songs he recorded. He is mentioned here as having "migrated to England during the early '40s and became Britain's most popular singer". And here it says "Lewis was famous for his jazz songs and was known as the Bing Crosby of Great Britain". It seems his fall from fame was as swift as his rise, but has been more long-lasting. I couldn't find any hits at all connecting him with being gay, and so I wonder how you came on that information. -- Jack of Oz 19:02, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Intriguing. Again, his name meant nothing to me. According to this book, after his time with Geraldo he returned to Jamaica and sang in hotels there. Further research needed! Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:19, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

There's a 1967 report on him here - "He was the rage of London in the 1940s.... Things got a little rough in later years but Archie has never seemed to lose his optimism, his courage or faith that things would get better..." Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:00, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

...and some more here: " Lewis is a sadly neglected singer and deserves to be re-instated as one of the important black artists in the London musical landscape of the period. A baritone, he was known as “the Crosby of the Caribbean” or “the black Bing Crosby” and had a string of hits with a rather lugubrious take on a number of ballads that appealed to the immediate post-war audience. The best known and most typical is “In the Land of Beginning Again” which captured the mood of the time perfectly." Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:05, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

...and here - "Archie was a regular in variety theatres as well as on Radio Luxembourg in the 1950s. When musical tastes changed he returned to Jamaica in the late 1960s worked in up market hotels finally marrying and moving to America where he lived until his death in 1988." Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:11, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

...and finally (?) here: "February 26, 1988: Archie Lewis, one of the first blacks to sing solo in public performances in England, dies at the University Hospital, Mona, St Andrew, at age 70. He was also one of the first to perform on command of Her Majesty the Queen at Buckingham Palace. He was the featured singer with the Geraldo orchestra of England, during the 1940s. He toured with Geraldo, entertaining troops in Africa, France and Belgium. He also worked with Josephine Baker in Paris, France. His most successful recording, sung with the Luton Girls Choir in England in 1948, While the Angelus Was Ringing, sold over a million copies. He returned to Jamaica in 1964." Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:14, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

et voilà! Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:20, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Classical music audience

(I may be asking for speculation, but I am curious so I'm going to inquire anyway.) When I watch a classical music performance on television from Europe, I notice that during a lively piece some members of the audience step into the aisles to dance, others clap along, In the U.S., the audience sits in silence through the whole piece. It seems as though the Europeans are enjoying the music as it was meant to be. Is this merely a cultural difference, or is there another reason for the varied reactions? Thank you.    → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 14:30, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Is this any old classical music performance, or is it Andre Rieu? I would expect Andre to encourage audience participation. He might not be alone in this regard. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 15:50, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

This is certainly not accepted in civilised audiences at a classical performance. As said above, at the performances of the 'musicians' like Rieu all bets are off. The one exception to this is of course at the Last Night of the Proms. Fgf10 (talk) 17:55, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

I take the term 'musician' in quotes is code for something that's actually pleasant to listen to. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 21:28, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Other orchestras do have designated performances where audience participation is accepted. I am thinking of the Vienna Philharmonic's New Years concerts and in the US there is a "Too Hot To Handel" version of The Messiah that encourages the audience to take part. It is interesting to note that "civilized quiet audiences" is a phenomena that has changed over the years. The story I have heard numerous times that at the first performance of Beethoven's 7th symphony the audience was so moved by the second movement that they cheered and demanded that it be played again before proceeding with the third and fourth movements (a couple sources say that it was played a third time but I haven't seen anything confirming that.) I find that quite understandable considering the fact that (in the centuries before records, tape, CDs etc) this might be the only time that audience members would hear the music. In the last couple decades I have been in audiences on both sides of the Atlantic that clapped between movements of some works when the featured artists and/or orchestra gave a particularly stirring performance. MarnetteD | Talk 18:12, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

They're becoming a lot more relaxed about this sort of thing. Not too long ago, clapping between movements was considered a serious cultural gaffe, but it's becoming more common these days. Orchestra managers would rather have bums on seats enjoying the music and the bums' owners showing their appreciation, than people staying away in droves due to an unnecessarily stuffy atmosphere. In opera and ballet, clapping after a signature aria or pas is not only accepted but almost considered mandatory, and sometimes an aria has to be repeated before the action can move on. Even in the heyday of high culture when orchestral patrons wore dinner suits (men) and furs and diamonds (women), there were always some pieces where people clapped inappropriately: after the 3rd movement (March) of Tchaikovsky's 6th Symphony Pathétique - it sounds like a brilliant and stirring ending, which it is, but only of that movement, and the slow finale is yet to come; sometimes conductors launch into the finale without a break, in order to cut the clappers off at the pass, so to speak. And the ending of Weber's Invitation to the Dance - again, there's a false ending, but there's a tiny slow reprise of the opening to follow. The perils of a conductor's trade. -- Jack of Oz 18:41, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Short Science Fiction Story

I'm trying to find a short science fiction story read a few years ago, and am not having any luck. Google has turned up nothing.

Plot summary:

-There are dangerous aliens but most of mankind ignores the threat

-An antihero character called John hangs everyone on a colonized planet called New Houston (or something similar) and frames the aliens

-The horror of everyone on New Houston dying causes the rest of mankind to take the alien threat seriously and prepare for war

-John committed the atrocity in order to wake them from their stupor and prepare for the threat of the actual aliens

-No one will name their child John after the incident (they know he was involved but think he's an alien or is working with them, when he's actually human)

At the end John flees out into space and his last message to mankind is that he is going to come back one day and kill them all, which prompts them to remain ever vigilant. Thanks to this they survive an attack by the the real aliens that would have otherwise wiped them out. The reader is left wondering whether John's actions were justified or whether he is evil, even if his aims were good.

It would mean the world to me if someone could identify this story.

Thanks for any help you can offer! 19:54, 3 November 2013 (UTC)BrownEyes

song

Hello, I have heard an American song, it's a man sing, it's in E-flat minor, the intro is the trumpet and the lyrics' key is ${\displaystyle B\flat E\flat B\flat B\flat C\flat C\flat A\flat D\flat A\flat A\flat B\flat B\flat G\flat C\flat G\flat A\flat A\flat G\flat F}$. What is this song's name ? 198.105.121.83 (talk) 20:47, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

You've got the notes but don't have any of the words? ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 21:26, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I don't remember the lyrics, I remember only the notes. 198.105.121.83 (talk) 21:36, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Can you hum or whistle the tune on one of those websites that allows such things, and then link us to it? Unless someone who can read music happens by here soon. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 21:40, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

The song is like this. 198.105.121.83 (talk) 01:27, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

My PC can't play OGG files, but maybe someone else here can. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 02:46, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

you can record short voice clips and get a URL of it to share at vocaroo

November 4

2 Question about the star trek franchise:

1. Does remember the creature from the original series epsiode the mantrap? What was its gender and do you think it kinda looked like a swamp Halloween creature or gorilla? Cater says to kirk It needs love as much as it needs salt." And what did captain kirk mean when he said to professor crater "You bleed too much, Crater. You're too pure and noble. Are you saving the last of its kind...or has this become Crater's private heaven here on this planet? This thing becomes wife, lover, best friend...wise man, fool, idol, slave." Were the professor and creature lovers? and was the creature showing romantic love towards crater?

2. I find it interesting to note that the fereangi, borg and the planet Risa showed up in the enterprise series even though those things didn't show up in the original series. Did anything else that was in later series but in the original series show up too? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Venustar84 (talk • contribs) 00:23, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

1) That was the creature which killed by sucking all the salt out of it's victims with suction cup fingertips, right ? I got the impression that Crater's love for the creature was one-sided. It simply left him alive because it knew Crater would protect it. Kirk was asking if Crater wanted to save it because it was a unique life form, as he claimed, or if he had fallen in love with it. StuRat (talk) 00:28, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes, Stu, you're thinking of the right one. And it's no surprise that places and species showed up in The Next Generation that weren't in the original series. Several decades of exploration had happened between the two series. There are many episodes of TNG that deal with new things that TOS never dealt with. Just to name a few there was Q, Betazoids, Tin Man (a.k.a. Gomtuu), and the list goes on. There's even the Nausicaans who weren't in TOS, were shown in TNG, and were mentioned in Enterprise which using the in-universe chronology predates TOS. Dismas| 03:24, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

OP as to your second question I think that you should read the Retroactive continuity article. Especially in relation to Enterprise as that series was trying to tell stories that tied the previous four series as well as the films together into one giant narrative. Any series of TV shows (and films for that matter - think James Bond) that last for a number of years will have discrepancies and discontinuities crop up. This is partly to do with the changeover of personal - ie writers, directors, story editors and on and on - as each of them will add their own touches to the show. Also not everyone who works on a show will care about what came before them. When you get shows that have lasted for decades these will grow exponentially. One example is that when Dr Who (50th anniversary in less than three weeks!) began no consideration was given to explaining where the Doctor and Susan came from. The planet of the time Lords would not be seen for six years (The War Games) and it would not be given a name for another five (The Time Warrior). In fact in interviews with Verity Lambert (who was the shows first producer) she stated that she felt that it should always have been kept a mystery. Other editors will be able to give more specific answers to your question but I thought I would try and add a broader perspective. MarnetteD | Talk 03:58, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

French Lyrics C'est Magnifique

Who wrote the French lyrics for C'est Magnifique? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.53.245.57 (talk) 04:59, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Do you have any particular reason to believe they weren't written by Cole Porter? (added link) Rojomoke (talk) 05:45, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Number of Soaring Pilots Worldwide?

Hello,

I'm trying to determine the number of hang glider, paraglider, and glider pilots worldwide.

I found a glider pilot reference but the other two categories have escaped me.

I've checked national and international association websites and looked for article references, but found nothing.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.211.188.94 (talk) 06:40, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

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