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| So here is what I understand about the matter. I got the following information from current and former members of the Alexandrov Ensemble, via third parties. Since the 1950s when the Alexandrov Ensemble started touring non-Soviet countries, it has called itself the Red Army Choir outside the USSR/Russia for simplicity. Since 1989, another large but somewhat different group which had been founded later then the Ensemble started to call itself the Red Army Choir outside Russia. The problem was that the worldwide public frequently thought that the two choirs were the same, and various problems occurred, including concerns about competition. During the past 12 months there has been a court case about this in Moscow. People in Moscow tell me that the results of these cases are often not publicised. I think that the case has ended, but have not yet found anyone who knows the result. The only clue that I have seen is that someone has been making uncited edits about the use of the title "Red Army Choir" in WP articles connected with the Ensemble. All I have written here is hearsay, so I am not in a position to remove or correct those edits, although I am not happy about them. I hope that helps. --] (]) 16:09, 2 December 2013 (UTC) | So here is what I understand about the matter. I got the following information from current and former members of the Alexandrov Ensemble, via third parties. Since the 1950s when the Alexandrov Ensemble started touring non-Soviet countries, it has called itself the Red Army Choir outside the USSR/Russia for simplicity. Since 1989, another large but somewhat different group which had been founded later then the Ensemble started to call itself the Red Army Choir outside Russia. The problem was that the worldwide public frequently thought that the two choirs were the same, and various problems occurred, including concerns about competition. During the past 12 months there has been a court case about this in Moscow. People in Moscow tell me that the results of these cases are often not publicised. I think that the case has ended, but have not yet found anyone who knows the result. The only clue that I have seen is that someone has been making uncited edits about the use of the title "Red Army Choir" in WP articles connected with the Ensemble. All I have written here is hearsay, so I am not in a position to remove or correct those edits, although I am not happy about them. I hope that helps. --] (]) 16:09, 2 December 2013 (UTC) | ||
| :Thanks for the info. I think the point is that assertions that can't be sourced should be, at minimum, flagged - and in some cases it's best to simply remove them. Misplaced Pages doesn't need to be in the business of claiming to give a comprehensive list of "official" Red Army Choirs at all, and it really can't be if there's no reliable source for such a thing. In any case, I'm happy to leave the "according to whom" tag up for the time being and see if someone can fill it in. Cheers, ] (]) 13:40, 3 December 2013 (UTC) | |||
| ::I'm entirely in agreement with that. Cheers. --] (]) 16:50, 3 December 2013 (UTC) | |||
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Hi. You have left an "according to whom?" notice on the above page, and I thought you might like an explanation. I should say first that I did not add the paragraph which you are questioning, and I am not happy about it being there (i.e. I support your edit).
So here is what I understand about the matter. I got the following information from current and former members of the Alexandrov Ensemble, via third parties. Since the 1950s when the Alexandrov Ensemble started touring non-Soviet countries, it has called itself the Red Army Choir outside the USSR/Russia for simplicity. Since 1989, another large but somewhat different group which had been founded later then the Ensemble started to call itself the Red Army Choir outside Russia. The problem was that the worldwide public frequently thought that the two choirs were the same, and various problems occurred, including concerns about competition. During the past 12 months there has been a court case about this in Moscow. People in Moscow tell me that the results of these cases are often not publicised. I think that the case has ended, but have not yet found anyone who knows the result. The only clue that I have seen is that someone has been making uncited edits about the use of the title "Red Army Choir" in WP articles connected with the Ensemble. All I have written here is hearsay, so I am not in a position to remove or correct those edits, although I am not happy about them. I hope that helps. --Storye book (talk) 16:09, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for the info. I think the point is that assertions that can't be sourced should be, at minimum, flagged - and in some cases it's best to simply remove them. Misplaced Pages doesn't need to be in the business of claiming to give a comprehensive list of "official" Red Army Choirs at all, and it really can't be if there's no reliable source for such a thing. In any case, I'm happy to leave the "according to whom" tag up for the time being and see if someone can fill it in. Cheers, SCZenz (talk) 13:40, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- I'm entirely in agreement with that. Cheers. --Storye book (talk) 16:50, 3 December 2013 (UTC)