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			== Mani and Mazdak ==

			Can we have a third opinion in regards to plz.

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			, by Gillian Clark: "There were two kinds of Manichaeans, the Elect Saints and the Hearers. The Elect, who formed the nucleus of a Manichaean �cell�, were committed to a missionary life of poverty and celibacy. They were strict vegetarians, drank no wine, and were forbidden even to harvest or prepare food, because Mani had a revelation that it is a kind of murder to damage plants by harvesting."

			, Encyclopedia Iranica: "The elect were submitted to five rigorous commandments which confined their lives to the duties of hearing and reading the instructive sermons and scriptures, singing hymns, offering prayers, attending the services and above all the sacramental communal meals, teaching and preaching the gospel of truth to brethren and lay-people, doing missionary work, etc. They were submitted to a strict vegetarian regime and forbidden to drink alcoholic drinks and eat meat"

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			, Heritage Institute: "In summary, Mazdak proposed a peace-loving, classless and egalitarian society. The doctrines of his teachings included not taking life and not eating flesh - a pacifist and vegetarian doctrine."

			My problem with using these as sources is that none of them explicitly the issue of vegetarianism in regards to Mani or Mazdak. These sources discuss dogma which advocates vegetarianism. It seems like original research to me to extend the teachinsg to the teacher. For example, Buddhism advocates vegetarianism but the Dalai Lama himself is not vegetarian. I don't think these sources are suitable for these claims. Ideally we need sources that address the lives and known facts about these individuals, rather than simply drawing are own conclusions about their lives. ] (]) 02:39, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

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Mani and Mazdak

Can we have a third opinion in regards to this edit plz.

Mani (prophet):

Augustine and Manichaeism, by Gillian Clark: "There were two kinds of Manichaeans, the Elect Saints and the Hearers. The Elect, who formed the nucleus of a Manichaean �cell�, were committed to a missionary life of poverty and celibacy. They were strict vegetarians, drank no wine, and were forbidden even to harvest or prepare food, because Mani had a revelation that it is a kind of murder to damage plants by harvesting."

Manichaeism I. General Survey, Encyclopedia Iranica: "The elect were submitted to five rigorous commandments which confined their lives to the duties of hearing and reading the instructive sermons and scriptures, singing hymns, offering prayers, attending the services and above all the sacramental communal meals, teaching and preaching the gospel of truth to brethren and lay-people, doing missionary work, etc. They were submitted to a strict vegetarian regime and forbidden to drink alcoholic drinks and eat meat"

Mazdak:

Mazdak, Heritage Institute: "In summary, Mazdak proposed a peace-loving, classless and egalitarian society. The doctrines of his teachings included not taking life and not eating flesh - a pacifist and vegetarian doctrine."

My problem with using these as sources is that none of them explicitly the issue of vegetarianism in regards to Mani or Mazdak. These sources discuss dogma which advocates vegetarianism. It seems like original research to me to extend the teachinsg to the teacher. For example, Buddhism advocates vegetarianism but the Dalai Lama himself is not vegetarian. I don't think these sources are suitable for these claims. Ideally we need sources that address the lives and known facts about these individuals, rather than simply drawing are own conclusions about their lives. Betty Logan (talk) 02:39, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

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