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Block

It appears you forgot to leave a message on Jeremygbyrne's talk page. He might be a little confused when he returns.Timothy Usher 22:49, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again to Timothy (now that I can edit here again). Jayjg, it took you a little over twenty minutes from Timothy's request to block me, although policy suggests caution should be exercised before blocking users who may be acting in good faith and warns that blocks of logged-in users with a substantial history of valid contributions should be treated especially carefully regardless of the reasoning for the block (and aren't most people given at least some kind of right of reply in equivocal cases like this?) In contrast, it took you over nine hours from Timothy's request to let me know what had happened, although policy on "How to block" instructs blocking admins to notifying users of blocks on their talk pages so others won't expect the blocked user to respond to talkpage contacts. Could you please have a look at this explanation? I feel that the record shows I didn't violate 3RR. Thanks for your careful consideration of this matter. — JEREMY 10:57, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Jeremy, it's nice to see you out of the box. You'd violated under any interpretation, as rewording with same intent is simply gaming the system, but as it stands, even if the four reverts were completely unrelated, they'd still count. This is being discussed and debated now on Misplaced Pages talk:Three-revert rule.Timothy Usher 11:07, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Rewording with the same intent, now. Again with the bad faith accusations. To quote the discussion page you directed me to, The spirit of the 3RR has always been "the 3RR is intended to stop edit wars". So, why did you request that I be blocked (and indeed Jayjg, why did you block me?) over six hours after my last edit to the article? — JEREMY 11:46, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

And, reading further in talk:3RR, how could you make a cogent analysis and recommendations like these, argue consistently for sanity in the 3RR interpretation policy, and then make this "maximal interpretation"-based complaint against me? I was entirely unfamiliar with the particular piece of jurisprudence in question (having last read the policy, several times in fact, two days prior to the 18-April changes — as you may know, given you used that direction to me in your complaint), and would have responded positively to some kind of pointer to it. That might have been a good way to get me to stop what I assume you must have seen as ongoing disruptive editing — although given you'd left it six hours anyway, what was the hurry? Unlike the case under discussion on talk:3RR, I didn't have "the rule explained to again just days before was blocked", so I'm not sure why you, Jayjg, felt it necessary to do this without discussion. I also note your (Jayjg's) statement that "The interpretation that has always existed and been enforced is that any reverts count, and 3 as a "reasonable" upper limit (though not an entitlement) was promoted by Jimbo and voted on by a large consensus." Jayjg, did you see me, four hours later, as just another good example of the problem, to be speedily blocked without warning? — JEREMY 12:40, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Even under the minimal interpretation, rewording of the very same passage to the same effect counts. The question is, whether it would count had you reverted an unrelated section of the article. Apparantly, despite my spirited argument on Misplaced Pages talk:Three-revert rule, the answer is yes, though I doubt this will ever be consistently applied (and I suspect that may be exactly the point).Timothy Usher 19:45, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Would like your input on...

A new template, called Template:White American that was created today and was propagated across several topics on American ethnic groups. It does not sit well with me, but I'd like more people to weigh in. --Leifern 23:54, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

An old AfD

You commented in the AfD at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Shopping encylopedia. I have started an AfD of a related article at wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shopperpedia. Your comments there would be appreciated. Graham talk 10:25, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Ahmadinejad

I thought your point concerning WP:NOR was well-taken. However, this is an uphill struggle. --Mantanmoreland 15:08, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

THX

Hi! Thanx for moving my username from ArthurNorbert to NorbertArthur, how it should be. Cheers, Arthur 12 June 2006

WP:RS

The impetus for the mailing list archives section of WP:RS originally derived from an attempt to exclude h-antisemtism from Misplaced Pages, and perhaps not surprisingly arose in the and Martin Luther related pages. You may be interested in this newly created WP:RS section] and the related discussions. You may also note where there is the familiar and false claim to be representing “the consensus.” Collegially, Doright 18:41, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Have a look at International criminal law

You seem to think that the ICC isn't part of international criminal law in your recent edits to crime of apartheid. Strange stuff from my perspective. Anyways, I'll try to tighten up both articles when I get some time. --Ben Houston 22:58, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

It's next on my list to source. I have started some preliminary work -- there are many great ones in Google Scholar. --Ben Houston 23:02, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Bonaparte

Could you check if Brasoveanul (talk · contribs) is a sock of Bonny? Very similar behavior, thanks. —Khoikhoi 00:01, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Also Bonaparte recently got into an edit war as GDP with a certain user, and then in Brasoveanul's 2nd edit he makes a comment to him. —Khoikhoi 00:02, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

And this comment makes it the most obvious. —Khoikhoi 06:30, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Highways

Is there a reason the ArbCom is not touching any pages other than the proposed decision? --SPUI (T - C) 01:34, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

west bank barrier

The following section is nither NPOV nor meets WP:RS. I am unable to fix it since a trigerhappy admin banned me from that article. can you fix it:

"Apartheid wall" is a controversial derogatory political epithet sometimes used to describe the barrier. Some opponents of the barrier argue it prompotes apartheid in that its extension into the West Bank isolates Palestinian communities and consolidates the annexation of Palestinian land by Israeli settlements. The barrier, it is argued, is part of a "long-term policy of occupation, discrimination and expulsion," which effectively constitutes a feature of Israeli apartheid, a term used as an analogy for South African apartheid.

Thanks,Zeq 05:12, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

AmericanPatriot29

user:JJstroker/user:Jerry Jones keeps returning, and keeps adding images with incorrect license tags. Not to mention his other "contributions". I've blocked several puppets, Category:Suspected Misplaced Pages sockpuppets of Jerry Jones, but they keep coming. Could you please checkuser the accounts, in case it helps solve future problems? Thanks, -Will Beback 05:40, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

A request

Hello Jayjg,

I have a request. Could you please have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Dhimmi#Some_evidences_that_the_article_is_still_disputed

The question is whether "Jewish Encyclopedia" could be cited in wikipedia (Pecher argues that it is outdated). Your input is appreciated.

Thanks,--Aminz 09:49, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

User:IronDuke

Jayg, what is the justification for protecting the pages that IronDuke has asked you to, without any comment? He claims "sock", but provides no proof. I and others should be able to edit anonymouosly if we want, isn't that one of the central pillars of Misplaced Pages? -- BlindVenetian 17:41, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

1. Peace under fire : Israel/Palestine and the International Solidarity Movement, ed. Josie Sandercock, et al. New York: Verso, 2004, p. 192