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Happy Montanabw's Day!

User:Montanabw has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian, and therefore, I've officially declared today as Montanabw's day! For being such a beautiful person and great Wikipedian, enjoy being the Star of the day, dear Montanabw! Peace, Rlevse 01:39, 13 January 2010 (UTC) A record of your Day will always be kept here.

For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, see User:Rlevse/Today/Happy Me Day! and my own userpage for a sample of how to use it. — Rlevse • Talk • 01:39, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Awww, gee! That was really super nice! Thank you! Montanabw 04:47, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

'tis the season

Louisa Venable Kyle wrote a children's book on The Witch of Pungo --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:50, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK

Funnily enough I did have a glance at Beholder earlier and found it all checks out. I'm not great at reviewing stuff though - I tend to lack the ability to be critical - I always think "yeah, that's good"!. But I'll have a go at this. Thanks. --Bcp67 (talk) 20:55, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Hey, if Tigerboy is involved, you KNOW it's going to be good! LOL! Montanabw 20:59, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

That's true - never much wrong with his stuff, apart from missing letters caused by his laptop! I did take a look at Beholder but wasn't really sure about reviewing so decided to leave it to those with more experience and ability, sorry. --Bcp67 (talk) 10:01, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Well, despite my reservation above, I've had a go at reviewing it! --Bcp67 (talk) 13:23, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Hooray! welcome to the deep end of the pool! Montanabw 17:19, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

And it's made it to the front page!--Bcp67 (talk) 16:09, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Nice job reviewing. Always good to have more helpers there. Montanabw 21:26, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Hook promotions

I don't do them often. I may not have done one in 2013 yet.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:34, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

No Prob, Tony, want to review Mucho Macho Man? Montanabw 02:17, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Katherine Ritvo

On 11 November 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Katherine Ritvo, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Kathy Ritvo, the first woman race horse trainer to win the Breeders' Cup Classic, is also the recipient of a heart transplant? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Katherine Ritvo. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 00:18, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Good race! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:23, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Gerda! It WAS a great race! Montanabw 02:18, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Danube Delta horse

None of the old photo albums links are available and that is why I added that new album to this page (Danube Delta horse) which was actually created by me in 2008 I think. Unfortunately it has been reverted... Ntbizib

OK, I'll double check that and if so, will restore your version. Montanabw 06:32, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

I added two new links to some videos with these horses and I have an article from National Geographic that I'll try to add in the next few days Ntbizib 10:19, 11 November 2013

Remember to add edit summaries so it's clear what you are doing. Montanabw 17:47, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Mucho Macho Man

On 12 November 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Mucho Macho Man, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that Mucho Macho Man, winner of the 2013 Breeders' Cup Classic, was named after the Village People song "Macho Man"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mucho Macho Man. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl FAC

You are receiving this notice because you have commented or contributed to the article previously. Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl is currently undergoing a Featured Article Candidate review at Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl/archive1. I would invite anyone interested in going by, looking at the article, and if inclined, adding your comments. Regards. GregJackP Boomer! 19:54, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Good luck! I'm too involved to be a reviewer, but I'll watchlist and lend a hand if needed! Montanabw 20:28, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Discussion at Template_talk:Bullying#RfC:_Template_links

You are invited to join the discussion at Template_talk:Bullying#RfC:_Template_links. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:33, 16 November 2013 (UTC)Template:Z48

DYK for Beholder (horse)

On 16 November 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Beholder (horse), which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that Beholder was the first filly to win both the Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies and then the Breeders' Cup Distaff? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Beholder (horse). You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 16:04, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Go win ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:06, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Academic class (was re: Przewalski's horse on User talk:11D EXT2013)

The professor was User_talk:Extprof. See discussion on the Education Noticeboard. The professor posted an incomplete list of articles that his students had edited. I don't think he or his TAs ever went back to fix the citations or check the articles for plagiarism. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:21, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

I wish there was a better training for INSTRUCTORS, these people who have so little understanding of WP and then just send their students in with unclear parameters frustrates me. I suspect that some of these people have contempt for WP and think that anything will improve it, and they are wrong (at least sometimes). I teach a college class, I wouldn't think of sending my students in to edit WP without a LOT of prep. Montanabw 06:56, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Animals

Perhaps your comment would be better suited here: WP:ANI#User:Kevmin Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 05:57, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Put it both places. Tired of trolls. I've not always agreed with Kevmin, but he's a good editor and knows his stuff, in this case, he's in the right and doesn't need to be dragged over to ANI over crap like this. Montanabw 06:02, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

I agree. Thanks for taking your time. Jim1138 (talk) 06:18, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

Thank you for the support. Kevmin § 07:05, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

pic for "getting off the high horse"

as you've noticed, I'm back, and also back in Canada...... I have to limit my participation but will be tackling things one at a time, like the Indian Reserves RM.....I will be revising my userpage re my return, am wondering if you have a suitable pic for "getting off my high horse" :-D.Skookum1 (talk) 19:49, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

LOL! How about one of these: Montanabw 21:57, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Yeah thanks I'll use the one on the right. The alternative was a pic of Mr Ed smoking a cigar, which is out there somewhere.Skookum1 (talk) 20:02, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

And might be subject to copyright. Montanabw 21:57, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

She

I used the complete name of the novel because it wasn't just "She," and because in the sentence in which it was used, before my edit, the title appeared to be a typo.

There is no doubt that the novel was written in 1887, or that there was a consensus that it defined a pessimistic genre that gained increasing popularity in the 1880s and 1890s. The book is one of the most popular ever written and I believe it is still in print, 126 years after it was first published. That alone would seem to confer "classic" status. Ten movies have been adapted from it. I wonder if you would reconsider your edit?

Thanks much. Activist (talk) 06:41, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

I kept the full title, just tossed the extra adjectives. Someone else reverted it back to the original. Frankly, an extra citation would help settle the matter, maybe go dig up a couple good ones? Montanabw 07:36, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

I assume you're right about the use of IMDB, but that its information about this movie is accurate all the same. I'm going to bed after a long Thanksgiving, so may not get to looking for a better reference that might be difficult to find. I've gone to IMDB for references to films that go back over a hundred years and have found it to be pretty well done. I had a friend who died about 30 years ago, whose mother and dad both acted in hundreds of silent films (they were typically very short with subtitles, of course, so easy to make) and I was able to find info about them. His mom died in the Screen Actors home in the '60s or '70s. Activist (talk) 09:29, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes IMDB is a wiki, sort of like WP, so we can't trust it to be a reliable source (though, like wiki, it generally is). See WP:RS. I know it's frustrating and I do believe you are correct, but the Helena Gahagan Douglass article happens to be rather closely watched by people on both sides of the political spectrum, (I started watchlisting it when we had some dandy editing disputes when there was a FAC push for Richard Nixon and some of the drama spilled over to this article as well) so it's one of those articles where good sourcing is particularly important. Montanabw 16:25, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Slaka

Many thanks for this - sorry for late reply , I havew been travelling for the past week. Looks like VV is safe (for the moment) but an article on Slaka can also be justified I think. I am very grateful anyway for your intervention. Best, --Smerus (talk) 22:03, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

oh well, so much for three days's good works....and common sense.

I never get why somebody takes incredible offense and gives such a destructive response to something so simple.....it appears my own high horse is not the problem. As so often before.Skookum1 (talk) 07:12, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Well, so much for good intentions. At least Indian reserve is back where it belongs..... but invoking the "no personal attacks" guideline on me immediately after a post in which he very pointedly made personal attacks on me is a case in point why the drama-cesspit of Misplaced Pages is just not worth my time anymore. Invoking protocols which say the exact opposite of what he is claiming they do is just "more of the same". I'll keep this short; and all I can say, too, is "WTF???". I'm tired of sophomoric bunk, tired of passive-aggressive crap, tired of trying to do something constructive only to be met by picayune defensiveness and knee-jerk personal invective. Fuck even Facebook is more productive than this place......Skookum1 (talk) 05:08, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Well, your work on the Canadian reserves and First Nations articles has been invaluable and I hope you stay around to work on those. As for the rest, I think the two of you just got at cross-purposes in this particular case, you are both good people and both good editors with a lot of knowledge to offer. The problem was that you got into some really long explanations that appeared to confuse folks - even I got a little confused. Then some of the changes you made were kind of confusing too. And then Uyvsdi got to feeling like her work was being undone, and got upset at you. I know wiki is full of a lot of crap and drama (god knows, just look at my page!) But I think in this particular case, it was just two rather opinionated and strong-willed people who each were suspicious of each other and a bit too quick to take offense, though maybe you two are also rehashing some old dramas that I've not been a part of. IMHO, categories are not worth the drama. I respect both of you and hope you both stay on; but you might want to sort of avoid each other for a bit...god knows the wikiproject is huge and a lot of articles need help. That my two bits Montanabw 05:18, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Deletion review for Vedontakal Vrop

Hi. I wanted to let you know that I've requested a deletion review of the outcome from Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Vedontakal Vrop. The review request has been posted at Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2013 December 2. Regards. -- Whpq (talk) 11:27, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

• Jeez! (if I may) - what is it about this article that bugs people so? Could it be my infobox? :-}--Smerus (talk) 12:04, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

LOL! If you take a look at the user pages of the two most vehement advocates from the previous AfD, Smerus, you will see that we have folks with a consistent pattern, and per WP:CIVIL, and the "if you can't say something nice about someone..." standard (which I usually ignore, but shall try for this post) I shall say no more...as it's obvious anyway. Montanabw 18:06, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Miranda donkey

You changed the caption under the picture of a young donkey that had a coat. I called it a foal with a coat; you changed it to describe it as a winter coat. Several points I wish to bring up. The author of the original picture listed as a description of the picture on Wiki Commons: "Young Miranda donkey before fully shedding coat". Also, the adult Miranda donkey doesn't have a winter coat. And, in in description of the animal, I had listed the fact that the donkey shedded the coat as it matured, with a reference to that fact. If you have evidence contrary, please put it on the talk page for the article. ThanxMwinog2777 (talk) 15:23, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

A "young" animal is not necessarily a foal. The animal in question was obviously not a foal, foals are less than one year old. I can remove the "winter" caption, but ANY animal will grow a long coat in cold weather. Montanabw 16:03, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Buzzkill

Hey, Montanabw! I hate to be such a killjoy, but could you give some thought to the Shakespeare Insult Generator you have on your talk page and edit notice? A user, Hafspajen, raised a concern on my talk page about it; English isn't their first language, so they didn't pick up on the joke and took offense. And to be fair, I see where they're coming from; I'd imagine it's pretty easy to mistake if one doesn't pick up on the archaic language and random nature, due to being a non-native English speaker. Maybe it would be a good idea to remove it from the editnotice, at least? Anyway, this isn't an official request or anything by any means; do what you think is best, and we could certainly use more humor on Misplaced Pages. It's just that maybe this isn't the best of things for it. Cheers! Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:54, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

You are a killjoy and also a poopy-head! Noogies! <- (that's a joke). I actually modified my notice to make it more obvious it was humor after Hafspajen complained to me; I don't think it's an English problem, I think it's a concreteness-of-interpretation problem, IMHO. But I actually do respect your thoughts (even as I call you a poopy head and give you noogies) and I'll think about it. Montanabw 19:01, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

The joke.. ? It's not a joke, it's a superior NPA template! Anyway, young horsey, feel free to use my sterling work anywhere you like, but you might give credit for it! I'm trying to become as famous as possible, preparatory to running for arbcom in 2014, you pribbling ill-nurtured measle! darwinbish ☠ 20:52, 3 December 2013 (UTC).

I hoped for 2013 - you didn't answer my question ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:02, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Me or Darwinbish? (confused) Montanabw 21:09, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Darwinbish, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:21, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, my dear! Hafspajen (talk) 20:44, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

• You of course. Bishy had turned down my marriage proposal, so I am not talking to **Her** any more!:) Hafspajen (talk) 22:11, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

• Which question? (And Darwinbish, see me edit notice now!) Montanabw 21:26, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

I asked Darwinbish and the candidates, but everybody is welcome to answer:

• Please describe what happens in this diff.

(In case you need help, see here) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:21, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

OTRS question

I picked up an OTRS ticket in which someone has written in to ask about some material formerly on Misplaced Pages (as recently as November) but no longer present. The article (or perhaps section) discusses The Big Open.

Following is an excerpt:

The Big Open is defined as the territory in eastern Montana, about 10 percent of Montana, some 2,229,000 acres, extending roughly from the Wild and Scenic Upper Missouri River corridor to the Terry Badlands Wilderness Study Area (three miles northwest of Terry, north of the Yellowstone River), and from the Milk River to the Yellowstone River.

I thought you might recall the article.--S Philbrick(Talk) 17:44, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Boy, I don't, though possibly Eastern Montana could have had something like that. That's the only article I can think of. We might have removed something like that from Montana as we were going through that article and sourcing everything in anticipation of a GA push. The definition of the Big Open is a bit off, though, as the Milk River is NORTH of the Missouri, LOL, though the Missouri-to-Yellowstone is more or less the broad outline of it (not sure there really is an actual definition

Thanks.--S Philbrick(Talk) 13:15, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Yeguada Militar

Sorry but since November 2013 there is no more Yeguada Militar in Spain. You can see in many Spanish article's. Also the Spanish Misplaced Pages wrote it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.248.180.234 (talk) 15:25, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

You may be correct, but we need something better than Spanish wikipedia, one wiki cannot be a source for another - and as many of us do not read Spanish, at least a URL to an article that we can run through a translator is helpful. So please provide one. Montanabw 18:05, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Basque Misplaced Pages and links

Ok. I am sorry. I think thath now there are all rigt. Thanke you--Gorritxiki (talk) 20:06, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

TFA/R for Oxbow

Was just about to put my support behind the TFA date just as you removed it from TFA/R. Do let me know where you end up proposing it, and I'll support it there.--ColonelHenry (talk) 06:52, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I was an idiot, I wasn't supposed to put it up so far in advance! Montanabw 06:56, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

A considered response

Hello. I've responded to your comments on my talkpage here and, as you'll see, elsewhere. I detect a possible way forward. BrainyBabe (talk) 21:32, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

WPEQ talk page stalkers, please see here: Category talk:Horse breeding and studs. Montanabw 22:01, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Triple Crown

Your edit to Pedigree

I quote the relevant page to explain why I used an anchor. (The link, BTW, goes to an example of an anchor.):

To ensure that a redirect will not break if a section title gets altered, or to create a redirect to a point on the page other than a section heading, create an explicit target anchor in the page, e.g., by using the template. The anchor text will not be visible (unless the {{{1}}} template is used), but it will serve as a permanent marker of that place on the page. Editors should generally not remove or alter such anchors without checking all incoming links and redirects.

As only a very occasional editor, I can't be watching to see that the section header in Pedigree doesn't get altered. Furthermore, I failed to understand your instruction to "fix it"; can you explain? --217.155.32.221 (talk) 13:32, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

It wasn't your anchor I meant to remove, it was the junk done by the previous edit. I fixed it. Thanks for the ping.

Thanks for the fix. --217.155.32.221 (talk) 19:52, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Now I've seen what the problem is, I have indeed "fixed it", with an amendment to the original uploader's image and reference to support the change. The problem is that, as an unregistered contributor, I find I can't submit the image. The reference, though, is: Tompkins, Stephen. "4.3 Pedigree Charts". Heredity and Human Diversity. Cambridge University Press. p. 35. ISBN 9780521312295. Males are shown by square symbols and females by round. --217.155.32.221 (talk) 20:49, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Try uploading at commons. No reason not to create a username. You'll need an email address, but most folks just create a wiki-only email at gmail or somewhere like that. Montanabw 20:58, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

item on cayuse in BC

Was looking up material for Tatelkuz Lake to see what I could come up with for an article (not much, though the lodge looks nice); it's the site of one of the Kluskus First Nation's reserves so I was trying to determine whether to direct the link for that reserve to the lake, or to the band's page (I'd prefer to the lake, as that reserve is nowhere near the main cluster of reserves near the eponymous lake). Anyways came across this reference to the lake in Nothing Too Good For A Cowboy, one of the classics of "bush literature" in BC, partly describing the cayuse as that term was used in BC. Re that "other discussion" see the google or bing maps geotemplates on the band's page to see why the reserves in BC are not synonymous with the government as a placename (and note the government itself is in far-away Quesnel, not at Kluskus itself. It was my intention to put a geogroup template on the respective reservation categories so that all the locations of multi-location governments could readily be understood (by formatting the latlongs already in the extant article text which are bare-bones but needn't be; so the maps would display the colony/reservation/settlement names on the markers); but apparently being understood clearly is not "the point". In BC it very much is because there are so many bands like Kluskus, where particulate reserves are spread across a vast area....and intermingled, often enough, with those of other bands. And where band government offices are far from the home turf, often not even on IR at all.Skookum1 (talk) 21:17, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Actually re the respective lake article potential, I found this which has plenty; it's part of an important watershed, to do with the Nechako Diversion Project. A friend of mine has been up to this lake on a fishing trip and is a good photographer, it's beautiful rangeland around there, lots of pics of "Indian ponies". Wide open spaces, not my kind of country but definitely good for horses (as is most of the Interior Plateau, this area of it being the Nechako Plateau).Skookum1 (talk) 21:43, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Happy Holidays...

		Happy Holidays
		Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and troll-free. Ealdgyth - Talk 23:52, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Ashland, Oregon

Hi there, I noticed you added a {{-}} to keep a picture from spilling into the next section. I've never seen it used but it worked. Is it like a page break? Thanks! Magnolia677 (talk) 13:04, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

It's akin to the {{clear}} tag. I don't know why it works, but it does. Magic! (I learned that trick from User:Eric Corbett, FYI) Montanabw 18:26, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Great! Thanks! Magnolia677 (talk) 20:58, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Katherine Ritvo

The article Katherine Ritvo you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Katherine Ritvo for comments about the article. Well done! GregJackP Boomer! 01:15, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! Montanabw 01:27, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Season's greetings from Santa and her little helpers

Merry Christmas!

-Uyvsdi (talk) 22:54, 24 December 2013 (UTC)Uyvsdi

A bowl of strawberries for you!

Wishing you Happy Holidays! and a prosperous and successful new year!! — Keithbob • Talk • 03:23, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Montanabw, I hope you have a Merry Christmas and hope your day is full of the true spirit of the day. Plus, good food, good family and good times. :) Have a Great Day! :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 06:46, 25 December 2013 (UTC) Spread the joy of Christmas by adding {{subst:User:Neutralhomer/MerryChristmas}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Holiday greetings and thanks to all

Thank you everyone for your wonderful Christmas wishes and the same to each of you and to all my other talk page stalkers! Beautiful sunny day in Montana going out to you all! Montanabw 20:22, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello Montana, I wish you a merry Christmas and an happy new year (in french, we say joyeux Noël et bonne année !) --Tsaag Valren (talk) 13:49, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

horse stock re the Douglas Lake Ranch aka Douglas Lake Cattle Company

Not sure which will be the article title, there's not much of an article at this point I think. I went looking for information on Charles N. "Chunky" Woodward who owned it for a long time, rather famously, and was into horsebreeding, and found this bio and this one and this one also. There'll be more out there. Thought of you immediately when I saw the list of breeding stock. He was this guy's son and heir and I was also looking for citations on him, since that article is unreferenced; and should mention his son, but I only just found these cites, and darn wouldn't you know it none of them actually name his father, which is strange given he was L-G and all....Skookum1 (talk) 05:15, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Sounds interesting! If you add material and run into any trouble, give me a shout and I'll lend a hand. Looks like it's largely ignored and a place to be bold. Montanabw 05:23, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

I ran out of steam after starting his grandfather's article and fixing up his father's, the link words now if you'd care to expand/fix it up, I'm done for the night. The ranch is an expensive getaway now, but you can visit if you ever make it to the area (Douglas Lake is just east of Merritt, British Columbia); stunning area. You'll find lots of pics and other history about it by searching "Douglas Lake Ranch".Skookum1 (talk) 07:07, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

I must confess it will be a ways down my to-do list, but I can at least watchlist it for now. Montanabw 07:11, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Horse categories

• Misplaced Pages:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_November_22#Category:Horse_burials

Jc37, it would be much appreciated if you could ping WikiProject Equine (WPEQ) when you are recommending changes in the horse/equine categories. I don't see a problem with the recent one upmerging Horse burials to Category:Horses in culture and religion, but it's lots easier to weigh in at the time than to request a redetermination later... this has been kind of a problem lately -- I have many of the horse cats watchlisted, but not all, and often we pick up on this only after some change has been made. Some of the categories unquestionably would benefit from streamlining and cleanup, but knowing what's up allows WPEQ to weigh in - sometimes with suggestions that would be helpful. Better yet, do it before and you might get strong supporters in some cases. Montanabw 05:42, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the note.

Just to clarify, I did not recommend "changes in the horse/equine categories". I merely closed the discussion per the consensus of the discussion. It would appear that the category was nominated by User:RevelationDirect. - jc37 07:39, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Whoops, my bad, I'll go bug that editor, then! It would be gracious of you to ping WPEQ if you do see more of these, though. We've been plagued by "too helpy helpers" recently. Must be some cleanup drive or something. Sigh... Montanabw 07:42, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

I also missed that discussion until the post-close changes hit my watchlist. I've already told jc37 I'd like it re-opened as it was a narrow decision & I would have supported keep. Unfortunately CFD nominators rarely notify projects - WP:Archaeology should have had this one also. Johnbod (talk) 10:25, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

That particular one is probably not one I'm going to go to the mat and fight over in either direction, but if you want to reopen it, ping me and I'll probably give a neutral comment. Seems like a lot of deletionist activity over there these days, or is it just my imagination? Montanabw 18:59, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Sheila Varian

She was born in Santa Maria — according to a cited source, not cited by me. (See the infobox.) In any case, please put her in another property subcategory rather than Category:People from California — I was cleaning up that category, which was too unwieldy and uninformatively, largely with people who weren't really "from" California, for sure, whereas she is, but that parent category really should still be used for when a person really is from California but whose further geographic or other identity could not be ascertained. That's not what she is. --Nlu (talk) 13:54, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

(In other words, if she is not to be identified as from Santa Maria — a point that I disagree with but I am not going to argue with you over — then please subcategorize her from the "from California" category to "from San Luis Obispo County" (where Arroyo Grande is).) --Nlu (talk) 14:12, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

It is YOUR JOB to put people into correct categories if you don't like the one I picked, and if there isn't an ACCURATE category for this person, then make one. She may have been born in the hospital in that community, that doesn't mean she lived there; it just means her parents went there for a few days when she as an infant. She lived and grew up in Halcyon, California and now lives just outside of Arroyo Grande, California. I believe both of these communities are in San Luis Obispo county, if you don't have a category for these smaller towns. This is an issue similar to Jon Tester of Big Sandy, Montana, who people kept putting into the "people from Havre" category, most likely because he was born in the hospital there because Big Sandy -where he lived his entire life (other than a brief stint in college) before being elected to the Senate - was a tiny town and its very small hospital undoubtably lacked a maternity ward. Same thing here; I doubt Halcyon in the 1940s had a hospital, let alone a maternity wing. Montanabw 18:52, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

OK, except that I don't think that would necessarily satisfy you. I am not able to guess what would satisfy you and what would not. --Nlu (talk) 02:49, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Excerpt that I just did the San Luis Obispo county cat because that was blatently obvious had you read the text. Seriously, you don't put in a category like "people born in hospital X", as it's obvious from reading the text that she may have been born there but there (I'm sure it's on her birth certificate, for example) is no other evidence she ever lived there; had you evidence beyond the statement "born in", things might be different. Montanabw 03:01, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

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	I don't suppose we could make this edit official WP policy? Ritchie333 10:53, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks and LOL! I think that the last time I tried using the {{sofixit}} template I got into a world of hurt!! Montanabw 20:02, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

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