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:::::::So, here are my arguments: (a) my edits like (diffs you provided on AE) actually insert a reference to the Russian book (please check), and the link to self-published English translation was provided merely as a "convenience link"; (b) this Russian book is not "fringe", and therefore such edits are not covered by the "fringe science" discretionary sanctions (I just checked the case, and the ''teaching'' approach described in the book hardly belongs even ); (c) I did edit war, just as my content "opponent", which ''might'' be a reason for a block if the matter was timely brought to 3RR noticeboard (there was no 3RR violation by anyone). I apologize for that and promise be more careful in the future; (d) I do not see any evidence of ''systematic'' COI problems on my part - I edited a lot of materials about people I knew or related to my work and never had any problems (that was the first episode, which could be interpreted this way). I would highly appreciate if we could discuss these matters here prior to issuing any sanctions. At the very least, please tell me here in advance if you are going to proceed with sanctions, even after receiving this clarification. Thank you, ] (]) 01:39, 13 January 2014 (UTC) | :::::::So, here are my arguments: (a) my edits like (diffs you provided on AE) actually insert a reference to the Russian book (please check), and the link to self-published English translation was provided merely as a "convenience link"; (b) this Russian book is not "fringe", and therefore such edits are not covered by the "fringe science" discretionary sanctions (I just checked the case, and the ''teaching'' approach described in the book hardly belongs even ); (c) I did edit war, just as my content "opponent", which ''might'' be a reason for a block if the matter was timely brought to 3RR noticeboard (there was no 3RR violation by anyone). I apologize for that and promise be more careful in the future; (d) I do not see any evidence of ''systematic'' COI problems on my part - I edited a lot of materials about people I knew or related to my work and never had any problems (that was the first episode, which could be interpreted this way). I would highly appreciate if we could discuss these matters here prior to issuing any sanctions. At the very least, please tell me here in advance if you are going to proceed with sanctions, even after receiving this clarification. Thank you, ] (]) 01:39, 13 January 2014 (UTC) | ||
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== Appeal == | |||
I have filed an appeal against the sanction you imposed ] (]) 22:07, 13 January 2014 (UTC) |
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Deletion of Feathercoin article
Please where can I access the text of the deleted Feathercoin article. I have made textual contributions to it, of which I have no backup. Could you please paste the deleted article to my user space? Kokot.kokotisko (talk) 04:17, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry, but I may not paste the text of Feathercoin (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) without proper attribution, and that would require restoring the full history. And your contributions are too dispersed to easily extract them from the deleted history. So I can't do what you ask. Sandstein 09:02, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
- So deleting the article with 50-50 keep-delete discussion is a go, but making the text available to the contributors for revision is a no go, am I getting this right? Kokot.kokotisko (talk) 06:14, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
- We can restore the article with its history under some circumstances, see WP:USERFY. What we can't do is what you asked, i.e., pasting the contents somewhere. Sandstein 11:46, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
That's a good close
This bloody article again. I didn't opine (as I protected it) but I suspect it's one of those that's eventually going to get deleted. Not being familiar, I couldn't work out if it was a POV article designed to disprarage those who disagree with climate change as nutcases, or a POV article trying to point out that there are many respected scientists who don't agree. Either way, it's rubbish. Black Kite (talk) 18:44, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
- Well, I don't quite understand the purpose of the list either, but then many people simply like lists of almost anything. It seems the discussion will go on for at least a year or so more. Sandstein 11:51, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
- For an article that maybe should not exist, it is well written. The creators of the article might have hoped that it would cast doubt on the views of people they consider unwilling to accept scientific evidence. But the first impression given by the article (with its long lists of scientific credentials) is that the GW doubters constitute a respectable, sensible party. Certainly your close sets a high standard for how these things should be done. EdJohnston (talk) 16:54, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
Hi,
Thanks for the heads up that this topic is sanctionable. The article, as it stands now, is quite different from my first few edits (more sources, sort of "sugarcoated" less direct/controversial claims). Is it still objectionable, in your opinion? --Kaj Taj Mahal (talk) 21:20, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
- Er, which article? How does this concern me? Sandstein 09:33, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
- It doesn't concern you per se, but you did appear to take interest on the article of James Delingpole on AE. I was just curious on whether you thought that sanctions could be applied to the authors of the current version (myself included). --Kaj Taj Mahal (talk) 21:46, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
- I can't say. I'm not familiar with the topic or the sources. If there are any remaining problems with the article, they will need to be resolved through the normal dispute resolution process. Sandstein 12:53, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
- It doesn't concern you per se, but you did appear to take interest on the article of James Delingpole on AE. I was just curious on whether you thought that sanctions could be applied to the authors of the current version (myself included). --Kaj Taj Mahal (talk) 21:46, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
am I
Allowed to restore comments or editprotect templates added by myself to a talk page which another editor removed? Without even mentioning or asking me in violation of TPG. Darkness Shines (talk) 09:30, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
- Your revert restriction applies only to articles, not to talk pages. However, if you edit-war on talk pages, your restriction may be extended. Sandstein 09:32, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
- The template in question was placed in violation of Misplaced Pages:Edit_requests#General_considerations, which requires that a consensus is reached before the templates' inclusion. There is no such consensus yet on Talk:James Delingpole. --Kaj Taj Mahal (talk) 21:30, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Robert Sungenis
The edit summary on the above says that you closed the discussion as no consensus. It still appears on Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Christianity as having been relisted. There is currently no tag on the AFD page. You seem to have changed your mind in the course of closing the discussion, with the result that something is wrong. Could you please sort this out? Peterkingiron (talk) 14:24, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
- The closure has no technical problems that I can see. As to what is listed on any deletion sorting lists, that's not part of the AfD process proper and I've never concerned myself with it when closing AfDs. Sandstein 16:20, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
Discuss?
I've heard your arguments, thanks. Further discussion, if needed, should take place at WP:AE. Sandstein 12:52, 13 January 2014 (UTC) |
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I am sorry to object to your last AE comment (I usually agree with your judgement), however I simply do not think that you can declare "fringe" any source based on its citation (and use this as a reason for sanctions). There are lots of sources with zero citation index in bibliographic databases. That does not make any of them "fringe" or inappropriate for use in Misplaced Pages. Thanks, My very best wishes (talk) 18:39, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
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Appeal
I have filed an appeal against the sanction you imposed here Darkness Shines (talk) 22:07, 13 January 2014 (UTC)