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*Yes, they are the original sources for the content in the article. In Smith's dictionary, they're all abbreviated, and I figured out what most of them were, and gave the full name/title, instead of an abbreviation, wherever possible, but I could not figure them all out. However, maybe someone else will come along and solve that. &mdash; <small>]] &bull; 2006-06-17 23:44</small> *Yes, they are the original sources for the content in the article. In Smith's dictionary, they're all abbreviated, and I figured out what most of them were, and gave the full name/title, instead of an abbreviation, wherever possible, but I could not figure them all out. However, maybe someone else will come along and solve that. &mdash; <small>]] &bull; 2006-06-17 23:44</small>
*I figure, as long as we have the original sources at hand, we might as well include them, especially since Smith's writing style focuses so much on the original sources, rather than attempting to write his own overly-broad interpretation. &mdash; <small>]] &bull; 2006-06-17 23:45</small> *I figure, as long as we have the original sources at hand, we might as well include them, especially since Smith's writing style focuses so much on the original sources, rather than attempting to write his own overly-broad interpretation. &mdash; <small>]] &bull; 2006-06-17 23:45</small>

Whatever program you're using couldn't handle . &mdash; <small>]] &bull; 2006-06-18 03:00</small>


== CityRail Template == == CityRail Template ==

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Template:Infobox Conditionals

Hi, you've closed the Tfd for Infobox Conditionals, therefore you might be interested that I posted it on deletion review. They'll probably tell me where to stuff it, because it was only redirected and not deleted, but nevertheless the complete Tfd turned out to be bogus caused by simultaneous modifications of Infobox (now protected). I'm not very interested in the template itself, but care about WP:HIDE, where that template in a version actually using conditionals is referenced. -- Omniplex 20:57, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

User:203.97.2.58

Look like we were both working on blocking this user. I was placing a 7 hour block when you were going for a 48, I've adjusted it to a 31, if you feel 48 is still needed, feel free to update and I will not touch again. Thanks, — xaosflux 01:51, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

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Thanks for the speedy reply, I missed a few of those during my first quick review, I've restored the 48hr block, and will keep an eye out as well. Thanks, — xaosflux 01:59, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Independent Chechnya

Sorry but what is the criteria for a Template deletion? A majority of 22:10? With people expressing openely that such a template is insulting and disregarding of wikipedia... The only reason why I do not want to start the suggested procees of deletion of the whole regional politics userboxes is because I do not use such offensive templates, however think of the quality of wikipedia as a refrence source when sooner or later this will appear:

File:Nazi Swastika.svgThis user is a neo-nazi




Do you want that to happen? I don't. Think of the quality of the encyclopedia as a reference source when people see templates like those displayed on the userpages. I seriously urge you to reconsider on that decision, I do not want to take this case to the arbitration committee. --Kuban Cossack 19:33, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

IF you can give a good NPOV reason why this ({{User independent Chechnya}}) is "offensive" while none of*{{User independent British overseas territories}}

are, then maybe I'll consider the TFD nomination was in good fate and didn't warrant the speedy keep closure I was sorely tempted to give it as a WP:POINT and WP:NPOV violation. Circeus 00:24, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Territories that you mention might be offensive to some, particulary the British the Israelis the Spaniards. Think what happens when an Israeli person comes to wikipedia and sees these templates on pages of users that write those articles. Do you think he will see wikipedia as a neutral balanced source. Especially if he happens to be an editor of some magazine. Like hell he is going to let that go unnoticed, that wikipedia is being radicalised. However as I am not that kind of person that will support these templates to insult other users I would, had I had time, also included them. However I came here to write artciled not to engage in political correctness of wiki, that I think is the job of the admin, which they seem to ignore.
Now with Chechnya we are not dealing with a quite community we are dealing with people who ignore this . If a template user supports Bin-Laden arrises what will the people of London, Bali, New York, Istanbul, Madrid and Saudi Arabia (particulary those that lost relatives in the numerous bombings) think about this encyclopedia? The template's sole existance is a violation of WP:NPOV. It is personally offensive and is extreamely hate provoking for Russians.
No need to paste answers on my talk page, I watch all the pages I write on.--Kuban Cossack 11:12, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

see here

...for tagging that photo of mine. It was a duplicate, as you correctly noted. Sorry for the trouble. Jeffmatt 06:59, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

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Thanks for fixing the refs on Halloween II (film). It's currently a FAC if you want to comment on it over there: Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Halloween II (film).

I'll fix the refs on Halloween III tonight. Dmoon1 23:28, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Confused

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Hi, Im not sure I understood the message you left me. Are you saying that one of the references I used is cited twice? If that is what you mean, then it is probably because I was referencing two seperate pieces of information in the article. However, if this is poor Misplaced Pages practice, then please do make the changes yourself or let me know how to. Thanks --Jackyd101 21:30, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

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Sorry, still a little unsure. The two pages are different entries from a database, one dealing with the explosion on the pier and one dealing with the attack on the ship itself. They both have different information about different parts of the incident, so why can't both be presented? Also where do they contradict each other? I couldn't see it--Jackyd101 22:21, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
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No problem, thanks for your interest (and for that link above, it halped clarify references for me).--Jackyd101 22:42, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for GTL corrections

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I appreciate you correcting a few of the mistakes I made on the WP:GTL overhaul today! Thanks, and God bless... --J. J. 04:05, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

{-} vs {clear}

I noticed you changed a {-} to a {clear}, and wondering if you know something I don't. Do they work differently? Stevage 07:17, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

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See Template talk:-#- versus clear. I could probably explain why in this particular case, but I'm not sure which article you're referring to. Basically, clear is used for a new "block" element and - is to insert a new line on "inline" elements; think paragraph vs. sentences. Clear is more natural while - is more of an interruption. --J. J. 13:33, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Categorizing navigational boxes

So after what I said before, I decided to start sorting some of the music navigational templates. Categories I recently created include Cat:Music navigational boxes, Cat:Music genre navigational boxes, Cat:Music by region navigational boxes, and Cat:Music genre by region navigational boxes. Hopefully, this covers all the templates that have been created thus far. (The templates in question that I know of are linked to from Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Music genres/Footer and Misplaced Pages:WikiProject World music/Musicboxes, by the way.) I'm looking for feedback as to whether this works well with the current system.

Actually, something else is already needed — categories for navigational templates by continent, since so many of these are named that way. However, given that navigational templates are also sorted by country, and that there are musical navigational templates by eras and cultures as well, this is a little beyond me at the moment. Any thoughts as to what might be a good hierarchy to use here? –Unint 22:11, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

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Thanks for making Cat:Navigational templates by region. I have seen the "Musicboxes" page; do you mean that we should call it that in the category names? Because there were no categories before.
I'm starting to think about how to sort the subcategories of Navigational templates by region, though. I've decided to stop with the subcategories after creating ones for Asia and Europe in addition to the Africa one; now I'm trying to figure out two things.
  1. Should "country" categories get sorted into their corresponding "continent" categories? Would this even be useful?
  2. How would you recommend the "Regional or language based footers" be sorted? I'm starting to think about just sorting them all into the broad category for now, but if a need for subcategorization arises I'm contemplating how to deal with regions defined by language and continent within the same category. –Unint 15:33, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
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This really isn't working out so well. I just created North American and South American navigational boxes categories, for the sake of completeness and to sort the rest of the Musicboxes by region. Only, of course, some of them don't fit neatly into continental divides. Still, I think the categories themselves should be able to be populated further...
There are still many country-based Musicboxes left unsorted. However, It seems like it would be a mess to sort some templates by country (and continent?) while others can't be sorted that way because their countries don't have their own template categories. I have no idea what to do about this.
Do you think some kind of formalized category scheme would be useful right about now? –Unint 15:27, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Music of Kenya

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Yeah, that does look like a copyvio, but I can't find anything with google or anything else. I guess it wouldn't hurt to leave the anon a note. Tuf-Kat 01:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Salsa

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Well, salsa music's the kind of thing that pretty much everybody defines differently. Every source I used in the writing of that article said something significantly different from the others. So, he probably has a point of view that is under-represented and should be incorporated. I've left him a note on his talk page. Tuf-Kat 05:01, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Baxter template red links

Please see Template_talk:Baxter, I have started a disscussion about uncommenting the red links. Although I see your logic it may confuse some readers. Lcarsdata 10:01, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Template:CanadaFlags

Hi there. Why did you eliminate Dynamic navigation box from this template? Your edit summary states that there is no need for dynamic navigation box here, but why is that? Also, if such is the case, then the current layout is suboptimal in comparison with the earlier one that predates the introduction of the Dynamic navigation box. Take a look here: You can reply here; I am watching your talk page. -- Mareklug 17:43, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I do not believe the template as it was presented was taking enough vertical space to warrant a Dynamic box setting (and although the original can be argued to have, it could have been directly reworked). While the Dynamic box is nifty, the generic templates is not formatted properly to look like a normal footer, and despite my effort, I can't see to be able to get the WIDTH parameter to work. It has been similarly overapplied in several cases, IMHO ({{Olympic Winter Games Host Cities}} for example). Circeus 18:23, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Category:Aspergian Wikipedians

Category:Aspergian Wikipedians which you have included on your user page has been proposed for deletion you can comment at Misplaced Pages:Categories for deletion#Category:Wikipedians by mental condition. The is also a proposal to create an association to meet the needs of users with mental health conditions. --Salix alba (talk) 18:30, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

châlchiuhtlatônac

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Do you have an english source I can use? ---J.S (t|c) 07:01, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the help on this! I don't speak any languages but English and a teensy bit of French, so I'd never have found those. BTW I noticed you reverted the addition of "music genre stub" templates to Music ofs. I've always thought a Music of should not be considered a "music genre" in any way, but never did anything about it. So, kudos on that too. Tuf-Kat 00:11, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
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Infoboxes.

Hey. I noticed that you've left {{infoboxneeded}} on the talk pages of several articles I wrote (c.f. Talk:Battlefield Baseball). I, personally, don't use them and don't feel the need to use them most of the time. So, if I can politely request that you not to do that, and add the infoboxes yourself if you feel that they're needed? Thanks.--Sean Black 02:14, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

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Okay, understood. However, an infobox is not really required as such—I don't believe (obviously) that an article needs one to be "presentable" and relatively "complete" as such. I'm sure others agree with me, but whatever you feel is best. Thank you.--Sean Black 04:07, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
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We all have obsessions :). So keep doing what you're doing, and if you ever get a chance feel free to add those infoboxes yourself :). Thanks!--Sean Black 04:27, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

DYK nom

I'm probably just not seeing it because I'm too close to it - what is misleading about it? Bridesmill 16:48, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

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Gotcha - wasn't familiar with that subtlety of style (working on it ); thanks for clarifying, I think I've fixed it appropriately. Bridesmill 16:59, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

List of Mega Man weapons

Hi. I noticed your fix on the article just recently, and since you've seen it, I was curious if I could inquire for an opinion. Should I execute a move to Mega Man weapons...? Its clearly more elaborate than a mere list, and its failed the Featured List requirements twice (I'd suggest seeing the talkpage links to its previous nominations). Please see me on the article's talkpage if you're interested. -Zero 14:19, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

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Request for transcription

original request

Would somebody knowledgeable be so kind as to look up the hanzi in Basil and add transliterations and, where appropriate, literal translations? Circeus 18:06, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Done. -- G.S.K.Lee 15:01, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

User page use and definition of "personal attack"

Moved this from WP:ANI as it doesn't seem to require admininstrator intervention. --Tony Sidaway 01:17, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Grace Note and User:Sean Black appear to have a disagreement over the definition of "personal attack". The latter protected the userpage of the former to keep him from wikilinking Dave Gerard to Dracula. This seems to have to do with the treatment of school articles. Circeus 00:12, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Gracenote wrote: I can't see how it's particularly constructive to spend hours, days and weeks burning witches -- why not just empower ] et al to kick out whoever they disapprove of, which with the broad interpretation of blocking policy some use is already becoming the case - it sounds like a personal attack to me, despite GN's claims that it's only "harmless fun" Raul654 00:26, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Grace Note has now said I need to "grow up", that I like to "bully" others, that I have to learn that Misplaced Pages is "not a schoolyard", and that I need to "learn to behave properly around adults." Lovely. To be frank, it's not "harmless fun" by any stretch of the imagination. I don't mind if the page is unprotected, so long as the insult is not restored.--Sean Black 00:29, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
I find Grace Note's remark on his userpage about David Gerard pretty insulting altogether; it's not just the pipelink. IMO Grace Note is showing a poor grasp of the NPA policy when he insists that his badtempered remark is "harmless fun". Note that Sean Black isn't proposing blocking GN or anything like that: Sean removed the attack on DG from GN's userpage several times, and only protected when Grace Note kept putting it back. Sean Black's actions here seem to me moderate and reasonable. Grace Note's ageist comments about Sean here are rude and unwarranted. Bishonen | talk 00:31, 19 May 2006 (UTC).
I've deleted the link to Dracula and restored GN's blanking of his talk page, which seems to be his preference, but which Cuivienen kept undoing, so hopefully there won't be any further escalation. Cups of tea all round, I think. SlimVirgin 02:43, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Sean has a personal problem with me and is picking a fight. Dave Gerard has a sense of humour and doubtless he's well aware of how he's portrayed on a certain website that may not mention its name. He's a goff type and he probably would consider it a huge compliment to be compared with big Vlad ;-) If he feels I've personally attacked him, he's welcome to write me on my talkpage or at my email address and I'll remove it without further comment. What I will not do is be bullied by people who will jump on the smallest nonissue to attack their enemies, even if their mates pile on. Why Sean is even reading my userpage, given our relationship, is beside me: it would be assuming bad faith to say that he does it in the hope of finding something he doesn't like, but I do advise him to change his reading habits if his constitution cannot take a bit of harmless teasing of someone else. Lord knows how he'll be if I ever compare him with a fictional character. What his friends ought to be doing is admonishing him not to cause conflicts with other users over things that are a/ none of his business and b/ trivial, and in particular, admonishing him not to misuse his admin powers in connection with those conflicts. -- GN.

Nonsense. I don't have a "personal problem" with you; I have a problem with those who edit Misplaced Pages solely to cause trouble and disrupt it's functions; in other words internet trolls. I would have done the samething on any other userpage. For what it's worth, I stumbled upon your userpage as I was reading through User talk:Incorrect. Also, I could care less what you think of me, I don't value your opinions in any way.
Really, though, I have a question. Have you ever considered not being a dick? You seem to relish it, ranting about admin abuse and insulting me rather than taking the reasonable, common sense position and just accepting it? But no, of course not. Instead you deliberately inflamed it, turned it into a full fledged "dispute". All I want from you is for you to stop deliberately disrupting Misplaced Pages. If you do that, then the problem is settled and we never have to interact again, which would be a perfectly pleasing development for me.--Sean Black 06:46, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I fully support Sean's actions here, but would like to add that if Grace Note wants to blank his talk page, it's only hassling him to keep reverting him. Unless there's a good reasons for posts to remain in place (administrators' posts during a block, for example), it just adds unnecessarily to the ill feeling to revert someone who removes unwelcome comments from his talk page. The posts remain in the history anyway, so in the event of needing evidence for an RfC or an RfA, the diffs are still available. And if the user has deleted the comments, we know he has seen them. AnnH ♫ 09:54, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Seen this? CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 13:06, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Noted. Really, though, Grace Note could prevent all these problems by not being a troll. If he wasn't a troll, then none of this would have happened.--Sean Black
Whereas I fail to see why you, of all people, should be the one to be stroming this particular cup of tea. Everyone stand down. El_C 01:14, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure David Gerard wouldn't mind that his name is being linked to Dracula. ⇒ JarlaxleArtemis 05:05, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

On a somewhat related note, I don't think people like being called trolls. Some prefer the term "intentionally disruptive user" or the phrase "green-skinned bridge-dweller". Plus, someone will scream WP:NPA and possibly WP:BITE. --Avillia 05:11, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Nevėžis River

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Hope it's ok now. Let me know if you see something else to improve. Renata 03:38, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Requested Move for United States

I'm sorry, but you failed to sign your opinion at Misplaced Pages:Requested moves/United States. Regards, User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 03:34, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Schatzki ring

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Hi Circeus, thanks a lot for your comments. I tend to use too much jargon when writing medical articles quickly! I'll make the needed corrections...

I've also taken the liberty of WP:RPA removing the personal attack by the anon on the talk page.

Cheers -- Samir धर्म 01:52, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

re: re: Tentomon

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The reason I changed the Tentomon page was that there are a lot of digimons that didn't digivolve in the anime that have their evolved forms included in their pages. If you look in Kabuterimon's page, for example, you will see that HerculesKabuterimon is listed as its Mega form. The same happens with a lot of other digimon. So, if you want to correct Tentomon's page, you should also correct Kabuterimon's, Togemon's, Bakumon's, Wizardmon's, Hagurumon's, Kokwamon's, just to name a few. You should also remember that page isn't just for "anime Tentomon". It's for the Tentomon species in general. Tentomon in fact digivolves to HerculesKabuterimon in other medias, like the Digimon Pendulum. -- Idiota Invisível, 23 May 2006

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Frogs

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Hi Circeus. Haven't time to do a proper job on the References just now - have made the 4 Leiopelma articles stubs in the meantime. GrahamBould 14:12, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Replaced shortcuts with essay templates

I went through and replaced the shortcut templates you converted from popular essay into essay templates. It did not seem the point of the TfD to delete them from the essay category, more to de-emphasise their importance by putting them on the same level. Cheers, Ansell Review my progress! 22:45, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

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Infobox city vote

It wasn't clear if you supported or opposed the infobox proposal at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Cities#Vote. —MJCdetroit 17:19, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Regina Cyclone

Thank you for helping me clean up that page. I thank you as well, for removing the innacurate data on it (canada's never had a CONFIRMED F5, but the Edmonton Tornado may have been the first...). User:Raccoon Fox - Talk 03:22, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Revert on the Dodge Template

I have reverted your removal of the DODGE name on a red background. While the policy preclude the use of tradmarks on templates, the policy to the best of my knowledge does not prevent the use of original artwork, nor the use of shareware (open license) freeware fonts (those fonts which are created and distributed freely) as I used in the image when I created it. In this case, the original artwork, is just that, original artwork, thus this is not a fair use issue. Stude62 01:08, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

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Senate templates

Would you mind providing me (at my talk page) a full list of these Misplaced Pages:Templates for deletion/Log/2006 May 24#Senate templates that need deletion? Circeus 03:31, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

help

I am a newby. I am a photographer and I want to contribute to Misplaced Pages, but I know zilch about formatting, categorizing, etc.

I ha losts of great images of Mexico, landscapes, cities, people, etc... but I need help in placing them in such a way as to be useful to others.

Can you help?

Thanks!!!

--tomascastelazo 23:43, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

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Dominica/Saint Lucia

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Well, true they're both officially English-speaking and most recently British colonies rather than French, I've been expanding both based on the Garland Encyclopedia of World Music, which makes it pretty clear that their music is more French Antillean than English (see both articles, music of Dominica talks about the predominance of French Creole in song lyrics, for example -- I just happened to notice skimming through that article that italicized terms and names begin looking very French then grow more and more English-looking further down in the article and later chronologically -- and music of Saint Lucia, which focuses on the important of the quadrille and also notes the predominance of French Creole lyrics outside of the church. So, I think the most musically informative category is French, irregardless of the official languages, legal status, recent history, etc. The shorter answer is because I already made the same change elsewhere, such as at music of the Lesser Antilles, and wanted everything to be consistent. Tuf-Kat 00:45, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

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Gay Fest references

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Bonjour Circeus. I have added the translation of the Romanian article titles in English. Thanks, Ronline | Today, solidarity and hope 03:54, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

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Spouge

Great, thanks. I'm going to be trying to fill in as many red links as I can and every little bit helps... Tuf-Kat 15:22, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Crohn's disease

Hi Circeus, I remembered your comments regarding jargon on Schatzki ring. Could you have a look at Crohn's disease if you get a chance? I re-wrote a whole heap of it, but it's replete with jargon. Your comments would be appreciated.


Many thanks -- Samir धर्म 15:04, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Circeus, thanks a lot for your suggestions to both articles and your changes to Endoscopic foreign body retrieval! Your jargon reports are very helpful (I write so many other reports daily that it is very easy to fall into jargon on WP). Thanks again -- Samir धर्म 23:41, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Given names

Hi, I see you deleted my notes on the name Jennifer in the Given names entry. I'd be interested to know why. I think the Jennifer craze is a much better example than, say, Keira or Peyton, which the article sites, and which I still left in. 7 June 2006 -KXL

cui-ui

thanks for your ongoing plethora of good technical edits. i think a reference in the intro is your edit to cui-ui needs attention. it doesnt seem to be working, and im unfamiliar with this ref style. could you take a look at it? thanks Covalent 23:34, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

aha, i understand. thanks for the quick response Covalent 23:42, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

RE: Repeated & Biased Removal of Links

Please do not delete sections of text or valid links from Misplaced Pages articles. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. CFLeon 01:10, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I thought I had picked the most appropriate template, but it says "second level warning". Sorry if I sent the wrong one. CFLeon 02:22, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to remove content from pages, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. I don't know what you have against this particular link. Maybe it's commercial competition with a paysite of your's? CFLeon 02:22, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Article series

Hi. I noticed you reverted the above page and merged the other articles. Whilst I support the merging of the other articles, I think the merge proposal should have had some time to gain consensus. In particular, I think you made the wrong call in deciding to remove the merge template from Misplaced Pages:Article series for the same reason as the previous point. Please leave it alone for at least 2 weeks! I was fully intending to merge the pages (rather than simply drawing people's attention to the need for a merge, but hoping someone else would do it), and providing no significant opposition is encountered, I still intend to merge the other 2 pages. Though before I do, the community deserves to have its say.

Moving along to you edit summary: "not all article series have to do with main and subarticles. Also, WP:SS is much more develloped, while this page deals mostly with templates". The first point can (and should) be made explicitly clear on the merged page, and the second point IMO is a good reason for the merge. In the future please post such comments on the talk page so we can have this kind of discussion there. Thanks. - Gareth Aus 06:38, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Pando

Thanks for commenting on the Pando (Quaking Aspen) article. We are currently trying to have it achieve featured article status. Any input on its peer review would be helpful. Thank you again. Globeism 16:16, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Image size/location

Hello, I noticed you changed the images in Fête des lumières from being large and distributed on both sides, to being small and all down the right hand side. What's your thinking? Stevage 07:28, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for explaining. I think I agree with most of your comments, but I find thumbnail size really too small to be useful without clicking on the image. I may expand one of the better images again, and leave the crappy ones (ie, the ones I took :)) small. Stevage 08:43, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Collegiants

They were around until at least the 19th century. After that, not sure. I don't actually know Dutch, but I'll get the titles translated, and maybe the Latin ones. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-12 00:06

Period/Full Stop and reference location

Many thanks for your comment at Misplaced Pages talk:Footnotes#Period/Full Stop and reference location. I had quite some work doing these edits. I even created special code for the MWiki-Browser tool for these edits. Now that I'm starting being a bit more productive with that, I run into opposition :(. Being a serial edit geek isn't easy—sigh. We get shot first and it is sufficient to "hit" on the wrong person's watchlist. A single opposer and "there is no consensus" anymore. Cheers! --Ligulem 23:48, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

polyphenol antioxidant

thank you for your detailed discussion on the talk page. it is not so simple to classify so much of the article as jargon. this is an article about a complex biochemical subject. the language is accepted tehnical and medical literature based. it is well wiki linked to allow the non specialist to explore these normal terms of the subject matter. i dont think we need to talk down to the reader. many other biochemistry and medical articles in wikipedia are written in the same tone. nevertheless i agree the articles ought to be approached by the well educated generalist. i have altered the article to address your comment #1 and i shall work through your list as i have time in the next week or two. please do not conduct wholesale alteration of this article unless you are an expert in this field. the changes you made in the last section had to be reverted because they deleted important facts such as the role of UV-radiation....the central element of the phenomenon. i appreciate your numerous past technical edits on other articles, which tend to be done with surgical precision and would like to keep our relationship amicable. best regards. Anlace 04:42, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Saltwood Castle

I learned that Saltwood Castle was placed on the DYK page today. Thanks for 1) egging me on to find some ref's and 2) for tidying them up! Verne Equinox 23:07, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Vis a vis User:MPF and User:Brya

I've been watching this with horror as well (and in fact am watching both their pages and contribs trying to understand it the last couple days). I agree, the edit war should be stopped. However, you should be aware that Brya is engaged in an active edit war against a few others working in WP:TOL, MPF is just more actively watchful than others (myself included). Brya is also quite dismissive when concerns are brought up about his edits. Should you decide to "bring it to court", please inform me as well. SB Johnny 15:25, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I think they've had the discussion before, to no avail (any discussion will be in old versions of Brya's talk... he does not respond on other's talks). It's more or less just a strange form of vandalism (some folks think "purple people suck" are better than constructive information, Brya thinks his POV is more important than the consensus POV). Again, I think intervention might be a good idea, because it's getting prety silly. SB Johnny 15:47, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi Circeus - many thanks for the offer to mediate, which is very much appreciated. It may take me a little while to get my thoughts and points together (I don't find it the easiest of things to do!), maybe later tonight or tomorrow. I'll definitely stay away from editing the disputed pages until the dispute is settled, though - MPF 16:12, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Here's my justification for my edits, and subsequent revertion of Brya's reverts, to:

Edits for clarity - some changes I made to improve readability and clearer sense, e.g. "a recent publication sets it as counting 342 species" changed to "a recent publication treats it as containing 342 species" (plant families can't count!).
List of examples - I changed these to the names actually used for the articles concerned, i.e., Marchantiophyta, not "Hepaticae (Liverworts)" (which leads to a disambig page), etc.; I also fully linked all the examples, and removed italics from family and higher ranks (as above).
Taxobox changed to reflect taxobox usage at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Tree of Life/taxobox usage#Plant species. I recognise that this does not fit in well with the APG system, and may be better changed. However, no formal proposal for change has been made at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/taxobox usage. Taxoboxes are supposed to be uniform in structure; it does not help to change taxoboxes to the two or more different APG-versions I found in a small handful of articles (probably less than 0.1% of plant articles; but disproportionally higher among higher taxa like orders and families). Many orders and families now have taxoboxes very different to those of contained genera and species, which does not look good. If taxoboxes are to be changed, a formal proposal should be made (in plain English!), so that the changes can be checked for formatting suitability and compatibility, and then changed en masse by a robot editor.
Family description. I tried to edit this for readability, changing odd grammatical constructs like "is the botanical name for a family of" (what's wrong with just "is a family of"?), and (at Ranunculaceae) "Such a family has been universally recognized by taxonomists: it is also known ..." into Plain English that is easier for non-expert readers to understand.
Italics removed from family names - as above.
Genus list. This comes from the Dallwitz reference (which was added by Brya in the first place). A clue to his removing the genus list comes in his new edit to Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Tree of Life, "Dallwitz ... Unique resource, updated to about 1998 (note that especially the lists of genera are outdated)". Yet if it is outdated, why does he not update it, with a reference to the newer research? Deleting it because it is 'out of date' without further explanation does not help anyone.
External links. As above. I shortened the excessively long Dallwitz reference; the full title of the site is not necessary, as the link takes one there regardless of the length of the subtitle blurb.

MPF 01:18, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Interesting to come upon this. The latter point is of course well worth commenting on. If Mike Dallwitz and the organization at DELTA go to great lengths to kindly provide descriptions of families (available nowhere else on the internet), then the least we can do is to respect the style of referring to this that has been expressed at the site. I think it is very undignified to force Mike Dallwitz to run round and manually correct all these references. Speaking about contempt!

As to another point mentioned above. In spite of the sentiment expressed above ("it should be easy to create a server with reliable information on the latest taxonomy out of thin air") accurate taxonomic information is hard to come by. For a large plant family it requires a considerable staff working for decades to even get near. Accurate descriptions are even harder to come by. The trick is to make do with the information that is available, and to put that in the right context.

Providing a list of redlinked names of genera (and that is not readable because of faulty layout) that may or may not belong to the family discussed is not helping anybody. All that is communicated by such a list is "this page was put together by somebody who did not know what he was doing". Anybody who is interested in the list of genera as it was according to Mike Dallwitz in 1998 can follow the link and see for himself. At least then he will be aware of the proper context. Brya 06:23, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Interesting that you coukd provide such a large piece of justification without refering to a single wikipedia policy or guideline, which is exactly what I requested you to do. On Ghillean Prance and Misodendraceae, you blatantly violated the manual of style by removing the header formatting of "external links". On Ghillean Prance, your removal of the IBN is left completely unjustified: How is a biography of the article subject inappropriate to mention in the article? Please do not perform complete revert including edits that are very pertinent.
I several instances you cite violations of the MoS. MPF cited what was actually violated in these pages. I see a user having at best issues with WP:OWN and now allowing any edit whatsoever, using the MoS without citing which element thereof as catch-all excuse to revert ay edit to his articles, leaving them either incomplete (all family articles include list of genera. Loranthaceae comes across as incompelte work either way) or in blatant violation of the MoS. Circeus 13:40, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Infobox Biography 2

About that, I tried to create a size applicable biography infobox, but then I saw there was already one available, so I just gave up on mine. You can delete if you like, I could never quite get it to work. Registered User 92

Compitalia

Do you mean that the citations are confusing, or what? — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-17 23:24

  • Yes, they are the original sources for the content in the article. In Smith's dictionary, they're all abbreviated, and I figured out what most of them were, and gave the full name/title, instead of an abbreviation, wherever possible, but I could not figure them all out. However, maybe someone else will come along and solve that. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-17 23:44
  • I figure, as long as we have the original sources at hand, we might as well include them, especially since Smith's writing style focuses so much on the original sources, rather than attempting to write his own overly-broad interpretation. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-17 23:45

Whatever program you're using couldn't handle Greek letters. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-18 03:00

CityRail Template

Can you please leave the template alone? You are wrecking a lot of good work people have done. There are plenty of other templates like this on Misplaced Pages and no one has a problem with them. Why are you taking it out on ours? Please stop it. I'm annoyed that you would just go ahead and delete stuff without even asking users on WikiProject Sydney, who had approved the template for use. (JROBBO 00:24, 18 June 2006 (UTC))

What are we supposed to do then? It was written specifically to fit in with that image and was appoved by other users- you've stuffed up our work and we don't have antyhing to fall back on. I am really annoyed because I put a lot of work into making that look good, and I'm annoyed that you wouldn't even let people talk about it. You have still not addressed my question about informing people either. (JROBBO 00:41, 18 June 2006 (UTC))