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So what if his edits are focused on US operations and US military equipment? I mainly edit evolution-related biology pages and steer clear from pages on other scientific disciplines ... does that make me a bad-faith editor? No, it just means I'm editing the stuff that I'm interested in and that I have know-how in. It's entirely reasonable to think that this guy has know-how on US military operations but not on the operations of other countries. Hell, that describes my knowledge, and if I was interested in editing military articles my editing pattern might well be similar to his. --] 05:53, 18 June 2006 (UTC) So what if his edits are focused on US operations and US military equipment? I mainly edit evolution-related biology pages and steer clear from pages on other scientific disciplines ... does that make me a bad-faith editor? No, it just means I'm editing the stuff that I'm interested in and that I have know-how in. It's entirely reasonable to think that this guy has know-how on US military operations but not on the operations of other countries. Hell, that describes my knowledge, and if I was interested in editing military articles my editing pattern might well be similar to his. --] 05:53, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
::It's entirely reasonable until you actually get a taste of the rhetoric. If it were possible to prove it, I'd bet $1000 these edits are not done in good faith; mainly because I can only afford to bet $1000. ] 05:57, 18 June 2006 (UTC) ::It's entirely reasonable until you actually get a taste of the rhetoric. If it were possible to prove it, I'd bet $1000 these edits are not done in good faith; mainly because I can only afford to bet $1000. ] 05:57, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
:::We can agree to disagree here. I just want you to know that I'm very set on my position regarding this user. ] 05:58, 18 June 2006 (UTC)


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Say, I was wondering, Cyde. I recall you promising up and down during your campaign for adminship that you were through with touching userboxes. What's the story on that? Just wondering what your side of that is, since as it is, it looks pretty damning. D. G. 07:18, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, do I know you? --Cyde Weys 08:29, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Er. No you don't; I don't believe we've directly interacted before, if that's what you mean. That's not the point. Do you not wish to disclose an answer to my query? D. G. 21:01, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I've already answered this, read further up on this page. --Cyde Weys 00:03, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I already have read through this page, and that isn't true. The closest I can find is a statement to the effect that you will follow through on your word and stop involving yourself with userboxes after all of your goals with respect to them are met. This isn't a question to the answer, it's a restatement of the question. I would not have wasted your and my time posting this question for your consideration if an answer were not already available for my consumption. Thank you, Cyde. D. G. 02:19, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, this question to you seems to have come right before you did an archive of your talk page, so it was lost there. I've copied it here and my question stands as before. Thank you, Cyde. D. G. 21:27, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm getting rather sick of assumptions of bad faith. Every single time when I've archived my talk page, without fail, someone has accused me of doing it to cover something up. --Cyde↔Weys 21:31, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Um... The only bad faith assumption I see here is yours. DG just pointed out that the question had been lost in the archival. TheJabberwʘck 21:42, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
The tone of his message makes it quite clear what he meant. And please, for the love of God, can you fix your sig?! --Cyde↔Weys 21:43, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, maybe you're both ABF'ing. By "fix," do you mean shorten? I'm about to transition to a new username, so I'm not gonna change it yet, except to remove the help part from the end. TheJabberwʘck 21:46, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I do mean shorten. It's three lines long in my edit window ... it tends to overwhelm comments. Cutting out the various unnecessary font formatting would help reduce its size a bit. Look at my sig: it's just as colorful as yours, but it does it all inside of a single tag. --Cyde↔Weys 21:50, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
As requested: not as short as yours, but not too bad either. Λυδαcιτγ 04:27, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

You still don't seem to have answered the original question. CelestialRender 01:46, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

For the record, I wasn't implying that the archival had been done intentionally. The sentence would likely have been inverted, I think, were that the case ("You archived right after I made my question to you" rather than "I made my question to you right before you archived"). I'm sorry if this tends to happen to you a lot, but it's to be expected (by both you and me) and you should be used to it, seeing as you are someone with a high-traffic talk page. With so much talk, there is bound to be something going on anytime that you archive. As for "tone," we all know about the effectiveness of reading tone on the Internet. Retroactive pardon for any misunderstanding, then. Anyway, wonderful little thread of conversation here going (I might add that yes, that 3 line signature is obnoxious!), but I am still waiting for an answer to my original query... Thank you again, Cyde. D. G. 22:02, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to assume good faith and patiently repost this request for an answer. Thank you, Cyde. D. G. 02:59, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

This is really a poor time to start bugging me about this again. Change comes from within, not without. --Cyde↔Weys 12:56, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Seems a bit odd to call it bad timing, when you haven't responded in three weeks. Raphael1 23:59, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Way to examine the situation before responding. --Cyde↔Weys 23:59, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, to be honest, Cyde, I'm not sure I really understand what that last message from you means. Poor time? I'm not aware of why this is a poor time. Is something going on in your personal life? I can't be expected to read minds... sorry if that comes off as snippy, but, I just plain don't understand what you mean to say. Change comes from within? Good philosophical tidbit, but I don't understand what you mean either. I've just been asking a simple question for what will probably soon be a month, that's all. Do you refuse to respond, and if so why? I hate to assume that that's what you're doing, but that's what it seems like it. Thanks again, Cyde. D. G. 02:39, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

This question is based on a false premise. There's really nothing to respond to. --Cyde↔Weys 03:01, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

What false premise? I'm sorry, I've tried hard to assume good faith for the last month (nearly) now, but this has gotten silly. All that's come out of you are vacuous statements, some of which go in circles, some of which go nowhere, and others of which go to the convenience store to get themselves a drink. I can't be expected to read your mind, which is all you seem to have done. Just because you believe that "justly" my question is beneath you or "invalid", whatever that might mean, does not entitle you (does it?) to be cryptic and simply dismiss the question without explaining what you mean. I'm sorry if after a month I finally have to start appearing a bit hostile, but it seems you've just been stringing me and others who would like an answer along all this time yourself. As an admin, you hold a public trust, and I think we're entitled to hear your side of your story. If you disagree, and feel that adminship is more of a privilige than a responsibility, just say so, out and out. But for God's sake, shadowboxing like this just makes you look frightening, and I mean that. D. G. 04:27, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

By the way, since you say there's nothing to respond to, let me restate what there in fact is to respond to: "Why did you promise you'd stay away from userboxes when convincing people to vote for you for admin, and then shortly break that promise?" I don't understand your reluctance, seeing as your words on this matter can only improve your standing in the community, seeing as it looks very bad as it is, not hearing your story but only that of others. D. G. 04:30, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Okay, let me spell it out for you. The false premise is that I ever promised to stay away from userboxes period. There were conditionals on it that maybe you just didn't see (like the then-policy succeeding). But look, it's been months now ... can you please stop hounding me and get over it? There's much more important stuff to be worried about, like writing the encyclopedia. Hell, even I have largely moved on to more important things. --Cyde↔Weys 04:48, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

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Thanks for reverting vandalism on my RfA. I think it's unfortunate that semiprotecting it was necessary. —Cuiviénen on Friday, 9 June 2006 at 21:37 UTC

Your userpage

It would be easier if it were the right side up. Skinnyweed 16:09, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Then it wouldn't be cydeweys, now would it? --Cyde↔Weys 16:22, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, how long were you saving up that pun for?--205.188.117.5 11:32, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Uh, the name's been "Cyde Weys" for years now and it's been that pun the whole time ... I wouldn't say I've been saving it up at all. If you didn't notice the pun until now, well then, I guess that's a bonus for you :-P Cyde↔Weys 22:31, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Wow. I never noticed the play on words. That's brilliant. :) Cowman109 17:00, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

WP:DATE

Would you add a note to Talk:Switzerland explaining why on 1848 and the other pre-1848 dates were delinked. Thanks. -- User:Docu

My signature

Hello! Is my signature short enough? (( Anonymous_Anonymous )) Anonymous anonymous 13:06, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

(Note: You can remove my signature after you have replied to this message. Thanks and take care)

You might have a problem with that font face "Croobie". A good number of systems simply aren't going to have that. --Cyde↔Weys 14:03, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks. I'm changing my sig's font to "Arial". Anonymous_Anonymous 17:45, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Isn't Arial the default font on here? Changing it to arial doesn't seem to make any difference to the display on my screen. See as follows:

Why don't you just use the second signature? It's shorter. --Cyde↔Weys 17:50, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


Sorry. The font style looked different at that time because I wasn't wearing my glasses. I am now using the second one. Anonymous__Anonymous 14:23, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Your userpage

Cyde your userpage is scaring me :o . I don't know which way is up anymore. JohnnyBGood t c VIVA! 23:03, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Would you mind changing your userpage to render up and down? Thank you very much, Chuck 05:23, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
I was bold and changed it myself (please don't take offense). In the past, user's with confusing userpages have been asked to change them. Later, Chuck 07:35, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
And someone else was bold and changed it back. So my original request to change it stands. Later, Chuck 07:52, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
you can always opt to change it and "show preview" -- you reap the benefit of a cyde's userpage being rendered the way you like without inflicting your change on cyde or anyone else. frymaster 18:58, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Userpages are supposed to be readable, not sideways. Chuck 22:29, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
i concur. which is why i keep my userpage in an uppy-downy fashion. however, cyde likes his sideways for whatever reason and who am i to give him grief over it? -- frymaster 15:44, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

m:Cite.php favour?

Hi. Do you know who is doing the automation-assisted footnote conversion? I need to reorganise Stregheria, and it would be a real pain to redo the referencing by hand. Jkelly 01:19, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

You can do it on your own, just check out User:Cyde/Ref converter. It's very simple. --Cyde↔Weys 01:57, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

That was very simple. Thank you very much. Jkelly 17:06, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Please consider.

Regarding our past dealings, there are still some lingering negative feelings regarding everything that was said. It will take some time for the healing process to end. I don't think a request not properly worded as a request would really help at this point and it would make matters worse not to mention causing tensions between us to rise. I do assume good faith that you mean well but I would appreciate it if you would be a little more delicate with your words.

I don't know why you're watching my page anyway when you've ignored any and all attempts for a truce. I would appreciate being left alone. Thank you very much. — Nathan 04:13, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

A request

Hello Cyde,

I have a request. Could you please have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Dhimmi#Some_evidences_that_the_article_is_still_disputed

The question is whether "Jewish Encyclopedia" could be cited in wikipedia (Pecher argues that it is outdated). Your input is appreciated.

Thanks,--Aminz 08:55, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Cyde, Just wondering if there were no dispute, then why did I ask you to help resolving the dispute? --Aminz 18:33, 14 June 2006 (UTC) interesting expression!!!(I mean "see no evil,...") I just understood its meaning --Aminz 00:53, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

"Where is your AOL now?"

oh for the love of... can you stop giving punative range blocks to AOL users? please.../: ? You're just feeding the trolls denial of service vandals--205.188.117.5 18:22, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

I've made no such rangeblock. --Cyde↔Weys 18:45, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

I for one would support a change in handling the AOL ips. AOL is simply a vandals paradise due to the way the IPs change so frequently. There is simply no effective method of handling AOL vandals. KillerChihuahua 10:21, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Crab Nebula

I just noticed you semi protected that article, and one thing has been bugging me for a while. Why is it not standard policy to semi protect featured articles on the day they're featured? I've read the semi protection page, and I realise that it's not supposed to be used as a pre-emptive measure against possible vandalism, but surely an exception could be made with featured articles where high levels of vandalism are almost guaranteed? Sorry for asking such a newbish question, but it's baffling why Misplaced Pages allows this vandalism to happen when it can be prevented. -- Steel 19:36, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Hrmm, I didn't even realize it was the featured article today, if I had, I wouldn't have sprotected in the first place. --Cyde↔Weys 19:43, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Typo in your new category

Hello, your robot created Category:Organisations based in Hugary but it has a typo: there is an "n" missing in "Hungary", so it should be Category:Organisations based in Hungary. Please move the category to the latter name with its contents. Thank you! Adam78 23:46, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

PS: I think it would be highly appreciated if you could insert a country-related sorting key into the new members of "Organisations by country", like "|Hungary" into ] in the Category:Organisations based in Hungary. Look at the categories listed under the letter "O" in Category:Organizations by country and you'll see what I mean. Adam78 23:50, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

AntiVandalBot

Just curious, is AntiVandalBot still in testing mode? Or is it fully operational now? --Ixfd64 02:59, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

It's a clone of Tawkerbot2, so it's just as ready as TB2 is ... is TB2 fully operational? Not my call to make :-| Cyde↔Weys 04:03, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

A few things

Neat userpage! Oh yes, I apologize for my comments during your RfA, still hasn't left me. Эйрон Кинни (t) 08:57, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for the subst and sig notices. I've read them and modified the signature appropriately and hopefully my signature is now better, too. :) -- Shadikka 15 June 2006, 12:58 (UTC) 12:58, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Sig

You don't think changing the user's cursor is kind of obnoxious? Stevage 15:34, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

don't go there. trust me. frymaster 15:39, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

My Sig

Used to be:

 NikoSilver 

Now is:

:NikoSilver:

I shrunk about half. Please vist my signature shop and its talk for details on the issue. (I am a little bit of a deranged schizo myself so don't push it further please!) :-) :NikoSilver: 17:05, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Kent Hovind article

Hello Cyde. Love your name. You reverted a number of edits I made to the above-referenced article, with the edit summary "Why were all of Hovind's political views removed from the article?!" I explain my reasons for removal on the talk page. In short, I did not think they were relevant, as Hovind is known for advocating creationism, not for his other views. If you do not agree, please discuss this on the talk page. Most of my edits were aimed more at making the article better organized and deleting material that was repeated. I also added a section on the Hovind and the Big Bang. Please review these changes and explain why you think they should be deleted. --JChap 19:55, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Have you been to a Kent Hovind performance in person? I have. Or, hell, you can just download one online (he releases all of his stuff into the public domain). Half of Kent Hovind's shtick is on topics other than evolution. He rants, at length, about exactly the kind of stuff you excised from the article. Kent Hovind is notable for being a lunatic, not just a specifically anti-evolution lunatic. It's relevant. --Cyde↔Weys 20:08, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
I watched some of his stuff while researching the changes for the article and I agree that he talks about politics a lot (mostly in relation to evolution). However, my non-original research was unable to establish that anybody pays much attention to his views on these topics, other than on the websites dedicated to him. I discuss this on the article's talk page. Most of my edits did not even involve the discussion of his political views, though. I was trying to make the existing article read better by organizing it and deleting repetitious material. I also added a discussion of his "refutation" of the Big Bang theory. I don't understand why you found it necessary to revert these edits as well. Best. --JChap 21:08, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Reply to your comment on ANI 19:51, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I was going to reply there but realise that isn't the place for this (especially after the edit conflict comment that appeared by JDoorjam in between), but I still feel it should be said so:

Well if you feel that why don't you delete the LGBT one? After all in your delete summary you said you were not biased... (disclaimer: I am not really suggesting you go and delete that one out of process, it just seems like you're being inconstant, which could lead to accusations of bias, which is why we have 'proper processes'.). It does not seem to be an 'outrageous violation', at least not to everyone. Violation possibly, but people are disputing the point, and the debate should be allowed to happen. The proper place for that debate is MFD. Petros471 20:00, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

BOT for Vandalism

I was looking for blood hound (dog) which redirected to 50 cent's Get Rich or Die trying.

WP:CFD/W

you tagged some that bots cant do, Why cant they? Betacommand 22:56, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Because they can't. Try it. Bots can't (yet) figure out templated category syntax, e.g. {{foobar|Category=U.S. trains}} on the article and ] in the template. --Cyde↔Weys 13:01, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


substing {{deleted page}}

What's the deal? Do we do it? Do we not? It's on low traffic pages, and template talk says not to subst to save diskspace - so I started adding long comment tags to prevent appearance on Special:Shortpages. Any particular reason why you are substing it? Thanks for clarification. - CrazyRussian talk/email 15:12, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Huh? Disk space? Don't be silly. The full text of the template is less than 3KB. I could substitute that template 100 million times and it'd fit on a single hard drive. In general, don't worry about hard drive space or CPU utilization or whatever; the dev team worries about that (since they actually know what's going on), and if they actually see a problem, they will let us know. But it isn't worth worrying on their behalf over such trivial things as a few kilobytes. Hell, everytime you save a revision to WP:ANI you're using up an amount of space equivalent to one hundred substitutions of {{Deletedpage}}. So instead of coming after me, go after the people posting nonsense or trivial contents on there.

As for substituting {{deletedpage}}, I do it because userspace templates should be substituted unless there is a compelling reason not to. Templates change over time ... and old deletedpage templates that weren't substituted are now pointing to Afd rather than Vfd, which isn't correct, because the article's deletion discussion was held on a Vfd subpage, and those subpages weren't moved over. Substitution preserves the exact look of that page which won't change over time ... for stuff like user page templates, this is a wise idea. --Cyde↔Weys 15:30, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Sidekick

Cyde, what was your rationale on the deletion of the Sidekick AfD? Could you expand it, since I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion. Thanks. --badlydrawnjeff talk 18:28, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

this edit

I think your bot missed. --Bachrach44 18:39, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Procedure?!

Unfortunately, like most things I see in your admin actions, the latest rather alarmed me for procedural reasons. You just closed the AfD at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/How NOT to steal a SideKick 2; but you had participated in the AfD discussion, so were not a neutral administrator. This is just wrong.

FWIW, I completely agree with the action to delete. I voiced that opinion myself (and also did some work to refactor the AfD to indicate more clearly the large number of brand new editors who were recruited from outside WP to express "keep" votes). It was clearly the strong super majority opinion. And moreover, "delete" is just plain the right action per WP notability guidelines. But someone else should have taken that right action to close as delete. LotLE×talk 18:43, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

What the hell do you mean "someone else"? For Christ's sakes, you're never going to get over it and you're never going to trust me to handle anything, is that it? --Cyde↔Weys 18:45, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Not when I keep seeing this sort of thing, no I'm not. A closing admin on an AfD should be one uninvolved with the article and the AfD discussion. Period. This is pretty basic Admin 101. There are hundreds of admins who never contributed to that AfD discussion... one of them should have been the closing admin. This is my major problem with your pattern of actions: it's not really that your actions are wrong per se, but that you show such complete contempt for procedural fairness; I believe you have a belief that you are so much smarter or better than all other admins that you have some right to act even when you have a direct conflict of interest.
Likewise with that AfD about the GWB impeachment thing. You were a strong partisan of the issue, and also closed it prematurely. In fact, I believe that after it was reopened, the reasonable "keep" turned into a "delete" largely in reaction to your improper action. I voted the same way as you, so it's not about the outcome, but the procedure.
And also likewise with your vindictive 3RR on me. As you'll recall, I activiely solicited my own block from another admin who had no conflict of interest when I realized I got carried away and, in fact, 3RR'd. So again, the outcome wasn't wrong (well, you also 3RR'd several others without justification simply because they were on "my side"). But given your very recent history of animosity towards me, this also should have been something carried out by any other admin.
And also likewise with your modifying protected template pages to advertise for your own semi-bot tool. If anyone else had done it, it wouldn't be a direct conflict of interest... but it was you.
And... ad nauseum. All of this adds up to extremely irresponsible use of admin powers. A good admin should recuse him or herself from issues s/he is directly involved in. With 1.2 million pages to choose from, that leaves plenty of places to use an admin hat... but instead you use it primarily as a form of bullying. LotLE×talk 19:08, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Those templates were protected because they were high-visibility vandal targets, not because there was any sort of editing dispute. Administrators can edit permanently protected pages at will. --Cyde↔Weys 19:19, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
I still don't understand your closure, and he does have a point, it is suggested that those involved with the debate not close. --badlydrawnjeff talk 19:02, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
The subject of the article is incredibly non-notable. I do suppose this questioning of motives is inevitable anytime a "hotly contested" Afd is closed. --Cyde↔Weys 19:04, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
So how did you judge notability in the close? Because by any relevant standard or guideline, this met it. That's where my personal confusion lies, and you didn't expound much in your closing statement. --badlydrawnjeff talk 19:05, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
As I say above, I firmly and absolutely believe that delete was the correct action. I wish, wish, wish, Cyde that you could get it through your head that procedure matters. There were plenty of admins who never voted in the AfD, nor edited the page. You were not one of them. LotLE×talk 19:08, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm not even sure if delete was the correct action. I didn't even realize he was involved in the debate until I saw this comment. --badlydrawnjeff talk 19:10, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Oh, I'm sure about the outcome. If you look at the votes, there were a number of keep votes, but virtually every single one of them was cast by either an IP address or an editor with fewer than 10 edits (usually just one or two total; obviously joining just to vote in the AfD). Of the voters with an established history, well over 90% voted "delete", and many of those "strong delete". Moreover, even if you look at the "established" voters, you might notice that most of the few "keep" votes come from editors with rather brief edit histories: more than 10 prior edits, but mostly in the 20-50 edit range (in other words, definitely not sockpuppets or meatpuppets, but also not editors well steeped in WP's conventions). So the outcome seems pretty clear, and would have been a no-brainer (IMO) for an uninvolved admin. LotLE×talk 19:15, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Yes, and of those 90% or whatever who voted "delete, nn," all of them were wrong - notability was firmly established by a variety of media attention taht would get any other article that didn't involve a web meme to be kept. We don't vote count, contrary to popular myth. --badlydrawnjeff talk 19:18, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Media attention doesn't make something notable. The media reports on lots of stupid, non-notable shit. Every week there's some random cat in a tree that gets national media attention. This is an encyclopedia, not a news compendium - can you honestly say that, down the line, this little theft of a PDA is going to be remembered by anyone? --Cyde↔Weys 19:20, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Undoubtedly yes, I can. Every single possible applicable guideline for notability was met by this article, I have no idea how you come out with saying this isn't notable. If you can explain why either a) the guidelines don't matter in this case, or b) what guideline(s) the article didn't meet, then I'll be glad to drop it, but you have to offer a little something to work with. --badlydrawnjeff talk 19:25, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Lulu - here's a problem with your little set of restrictions. Rather than having a comment in that Afd, I could've just closed it then (it had already run long enough). Would that have made me more or less "evil" from your point of view? Getting to close Afds is much, much more power than a simple comment (which is all I had previously made, a simple comment). I wasn't involved in the large argument over that page in any real way. --Cyde↔Weys 19:16, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it had quite run long enough when you opined. You also refactored the AfD slightly by changing the titles about "new/established" editors; which is a minimal "involvement". But, yes, if you had waited a day or two, not commented, and then closed it as "delete", I would have been utterly happy with the behavior. The point of recusal isn't that someone with an interest will necessarily reach the wrong result, it's that they cannot be sufficiently neutral... even the appearance of conflict is disruptive (both to more important things like judges on courts, and to less important things like admins at WP). LotLE×talk 19:22, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Collective nouns

Btw. my "little set of restrictions" are known as "policy for administrators". LotLE×talk 19:22, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

s/are/is/ for great grammar --Cyde↔Weys 19:24, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
I wouldn't grade you down if you used a singular verb with "set" in my class, but I'd circle the error.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters (talkcontribs)
It's a collective noun, it takes the singluar, not the plural. Good thing you're not an English professor .. --Cyde↔Weys 19:34, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
  • The gaggle of geese is*/are crossing the street.
  • The bunch of grapes is*/are tasty.
  • The Congress is*/are considering a bill.
  • The data is*/are conclusive.
See the pattern? Your error is common though. What on earth gave you the idea I'm not an English professor? LotLE×talk 19:37, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
See the pattern in what? The first one is "is", the second is "is", the third is "is", and the fourth is variable depending on whether you take data to be singular or plural (theoretically the singular form of data is datum, but really no one says it that way). The only pattern I'm seeing is that you're consistently wrong. --Cyde↔Weys 19:44, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Seriously? You'd use "is" in (1), and consider it in (4)!? The plural does tend toward British-ism, but the singular sounds absolutely dead wrong to my American ear in (1) and (4). In a more formal style, I'd definitely always use plural in (3), but I think newspapers split on this. I can "get" the singular in (2), though it wouldn't be my first choice. I wonder if the trend toward singularization is a mid-Atlanticism (you're from Maryland, right?). Oh well, I've been in New England for 15 years, and I still can't imagine standing "on line". LotLE×talk 19:56, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
"The geese are crossing the street", but, "The gaggle is crossing the street." Gaggle is a collective noun, thus making it singular, not plural. "Of geese" is just a modifying clause. You're doing the plural agreement to the modifying clause rather than to the actual subject noun, which is incorrect. --Cyde↔Weys 20:01, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Oh well, I mourn the decline in American university education. Thankfully, at least my publishers still have some editors with a good sense of the English language. And I suppose I'll be dead before spoken language is entirely doggerel, hopefully occasional mellifluous sentences will survive until then. LotLE×talk 20:54, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
It's funny how you're being so melodramatic about grammar rules while at the same time so wrong about them. --Cyde↔Weys 18:04, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

AntiVandalBot blocked due to malfunctioning

I hated to do this, but I've blocked AntiVandalBot (talk · contribs) due to malfuctioning. It was reverting edits outside of the article namespace, which it was not supposed to be doing. Several legitimate editors had been warned for testing on the introduction page. Tawkerbot2 also made some reverts outside the main namespace, but I didn't block it since it wasn't making bad reverts unlike AntiVandalBot. After all, we should still have at least one anti-vandalism bot running. Could you please look into this? Thanks. --Ixfd64 16:33, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that was a recent change we made to increase the number of namespaces it fixed vandalism on, obviously it needs some work, so I've reverted the change and I'm running him just on main namespaces now. --Cyde↔Weys 18:12, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

The William H. Block Company

As a first time contributor, please enlighten me as to why I am blocked from the web site after posting a historical reference article on a defunct department store company. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EssEff (talkcontribs)

You're not blocked and you never have been blocked. Also, plese sign your posts. --Cyde↔Weys 19:50, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

User:172.167.8.165/monobook.js

would you mind terribly if you could create this page for me? you're an admin so you should be able to not only create a new page, but edit a page that in theory is protected by defualt. Once you create it, I should be able to edit it myself--172.167.8.165 20:18, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Monobook.js isn't even going to work on an anonymous account. You're going to need to register a real user account. --Cyde↔Weys 20:21, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
If you don't clear your browser cache after logging off, they actually seem to keep working for a little while, I've been vaugly curious if they would work on an ip, I guess you answered my question--172.167.8.165 20:24, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Oh, it might work, I have no idea. We just don't give JavaScripts to anonymous users for entirely different reasons. User interface scripting is limited on a per account basis, as there's no guarantee multiple users aren't going to end up using any single IP address (even static IP addresses end up being re-assigned after someone cancels their account). The potential to allow setting user interface adjustments is too dangerous, so it's strictly limited to registered accounts. --Cyde↔Weys 20:29, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Category:Dead People

Is there a point in recreating this category as {{deletedpage}}? That way, it exists, and can be added to articles. Kusma (討論) 22:11, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I was trying to prevent against recreation, but actually, pages can be inserted into categories whether the category exists or not. --Cyde↔Weys 22:13, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I know, but a redlinked category at least alerts editors that it doesn't exist. Too bad we don't have a way to mark a category as "This category shouldn't exist". Kusma (討論) 22:17, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

AntiVandalBot

Yay! More bots on the patrol! (which is also bad since it steals my reverts =]) I'm just curious; how did you get around to running...well...an anti-vandal bot? — Preceding unsigned comment added by M1ss1ontomars2k4 (talkcontribs)

I'm just sort of heavily involved in Misplaced Pages's inner workings, and I'm pretty good at programming, that's all. There's all sorts of back channels of communication for Misplaced Pages if you're really interested ... try starting out with the IRC channels. --Cyde↔Weys 03:10, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Your bot

seems to be malfunctioning and is doing something weird to this page: I've posted on alerts and hopefully someone can block it until you can fix it. --Crossmr 03:48, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Yup, a lot of pages on popular models got very interesting today. Also, running this bot revealed some pretty weird errors wherein some pages were included in the same categories multiple times! That really doesn't make any sense. --Cyde↔Weys 04:02, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Ouch, well I'd certainly hope that you can find a way to make it a single edit. Otherwise I'd question how much benefit a bot is that needs to sit on a page for what looks like 3 hours making edit after edit after edit. It makes it hard to revert vandalism with that going on (which is what I was there to do) because you can't do a simple revert while you sit there trying to figure out what that thing is doing. --Crossmr 04:08, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
  • It shouldn't be too hard to figure out ... the bot is quite obviously explaining what it is doing in every single edit. It is kind of sad I had to go through and delete all of these categories though ... someone did spend a bit of time populating them. I just wish they had consulted with someone first, and they would've realized this wasn't exactly a good idea to start off with. --Cyde↔Weys 04:10, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Hopefully there won't be a next time. I've done a lot of Cfd work and this was the first time I've seen pages that have been in literally dozens of categories that all needed to be deleted. It's really an edge case - not exemplary of typical Cfd work at all. --Cyde↔Weys 04:15, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Maybe you can help with some advice

I've run into a problem user. I've posted it on a couple abuse boards but I haven't received any feedback, but this one I know there is a problem. I found this person User:Eep² over-linking pages. It goes against manual of style, and I consider it abuse when he goes through and links every single word he can find even to wikitionary if there isn't a wikipedia article on it. He marks every edit as minor Special:Contributions/Eep² and has done this to a lot of pages. I've started to clean it up..but its a mammoth task, and its not simple reverts because people have just added to the pages without bothering to revert first. He's expressed a disdain for wiki policy on his user/talk pages and was previously noted about not doing this. --Crossmr 04:18, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Can you give me some specific diffs? Thanks. --Cyde↔Weys 04:21, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Yup sorry. This is where I first discovered the overlinking. SOmeone on the talk page mentioned it had to be cleaned up so I dug through the history to find out who did it and found that it was him this is when I started digging through his contribs and noticed that he had a history of doing this to a tong of pages. I'll dig up some others for you. Thats a pretty solid example of what he's done to big articles. --Crossmr 04:23, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
here is another example of his handywork here: one edit.
3 more if you want them to establish a definite pattern here:

Oh wow, I didn't realize it was this bad. I've left him a stern warning. I have a lot on my plate to deal with, so if you'd just keep track of him and let me know if he continues with this, that'd be great. Overlinking is actually one of my pet peeves. --Cyde↔Weys 04:31, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

This is only the tip of the iceberg from what I can see on his contrib list. I just noticed he edited again now. I'll keep an eye on what he does. This is why I'm saying its going to take a mammoth task to clean up and it may be worth a mention somewhere that someone will pay attention to it because its probably well beyond me to revert all the damage he's done. --Crossmr 04:49, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

AOL range vandal

I noticed that we were getting frequent vandalism from the vandal's IP range 207.200.116.0/24. The telltale sign for now seems to be closely spaced vandalism originating from 207.200.116.*, usually one every 30 seconds or so. Most of the recent edits seem to have fallen into the category of intentionally screwing up Wikimarkup or adding nonsense . It is possible that the recent edits from this range were simply a coincidence from different users, though the fact that they occured within a few seconds of each other seemed suspect. The vandal's last confirmed MO (earlier today) was inserting gibberish or malformatted equations across multiple articles. The vandalism seems to have stopped following the expiry of a 15 minute block I stuck on the IP range. This and past patterns exhibited by the vandal leads me to suspect that we are not dealing with a bot. The most recent edits from that range seem to be mostly okay so far. This would appear to be consistant with his/her past behavior of disappearing for several minutes to hours after a range block. -Loren 04:32, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

I appreciate you removing the Incident report launched against me. Not because I believe it wouldn't have been resolved overwhelmingly in my favor, but because it's a huge waste of time for everyone. Haizum 05:13, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Haizum

You just deleted my complaint at AN/I. I would like to know what you suggest if a user vandalizes a user page, personally attacks repeatedly, incites others not to assume good faith and refuses to resolve the conflict on his talk page? Añoranza 05:15, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

As you can see, the first link goes to an innocent question I was asking this user, the second set of links go to harmless comments that clearly aren't personal attacks, and the third set of links go to my own talk page that has been bombarded with empty NPA and AGF tags with unenforceable blocking threats. I'm sorry and embarassed that your talk page is now home to this clutter. Haizum 05:21, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

All of you involved, please bring this to WP:RFC or Mediation or something. It doesn't belong on ANI, which is the administrator's noticeboard. We don't work out disputes between users there. --Cyde↔Weys 05:24, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Simply look at this user's recent contributions; it's systematic reversion. If anyone dares challenge these actions it becomes an AN/I or RFC. Haizum 05:31, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to have to agree with him here, the use of the link text 1982 Lebanon War makes a lot more sense (and is a lot less POV) than the use of the link text Operation Peace for Galilee. Frankly, the latter just smacks of propaganda, and I've never heard of it ... is it a charity? Is it an ironically named war, and if so, where was it and who was involved in it? "1982 Lebanon War", however, tells you everything you need to know, and it does so neutrally. --Cyde↔Weys 05:38, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

OK, but I think that is a separate discussion. Just look at the frequency of these reverts. This user obviously has these pages marked so that reverts can be made periodically without violating 3RR, in other words, "Gaming the System." On top of that, the focus of this user has been on US actions, not the actions of militaries all over the world. If this user is truly acting in good faith, where are universal corrections? I'm not seeing anything that would allow me to AGF...not to mention the TP spamming. Haizum 05:47, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
OK, look at the contribs now, they are clearly focused on US operations and US military equipment. I refuse to believe this is done in good faith. I mean come on. Haizum 05:50, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Cyde, please, RFCs lead nowhere, they just end up with users throwing mud at each other. I listed very specific violations of Haizum, vandalism, and severe and repeated incivility, justifying a block. This can be done on sight, no RFC needed. Añoranza 05:52, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

You're assuming bad faith here. Let me rephrase your argument so you realize how absurd it sounds. He's making corrections to a bunch of pages, but because he's not doing it across the entire encyclopedia, he's doing it in bad faith? Huh? The encyclopedia is huge. He's making some good edits in a field that he's interested in. Remember, this is a volunteer project ... you cannot reasonably expect him to take on this mammoth task. I'm not commenting on any alleged talk page spamming or revert-warring, but I do think these edits to remove propaganda names are reasonable. --Cyde↔Weys 05:51, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

I am deductively assuming bad faith here; just look at what he is reverting. You're telling me that the UK, Frace, Germany, etc don't have military operations with code names that could be considered propagandistic? Haizum 05:54, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure all countries have propaganda military operations names. And all of them do need to be cleaned up. But I don't understand how Anoranza correcting a few of them in a certain subject area immediately qualifies as bad faith. I happen to live in Maryland. Let's say I go around editing on Maryland-related articles and modify the categorization scheme. Are you going to accuse me of being a bad faith editor because I'm only editing Maryland-related articles? Would I only be a good-faith editor if I went around and took on the monumental task in all fifty states? --Cyde↔Weys 05:57, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

So what if his edits are focused on US operations and US military equipment? I mainly edit evolution-related biology pages and steer clear from pages on other scientific disciplines ... does that make me a bad-faith editor? No, it just means I'm editing the stuff that I'm interested in and that I have know-how in. It's entirely reasonable to think that this guy has know-how on US military operations but not on the operations of other countries. Hell, that describes my knowledge, and if I was interested in editing military articles my editing pattern might well be similar to his. --Cyde↔Weys 05:53, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

It's entirely reasonable until you actually get a taste of the rhetoric. If it were possible to prove it, I'd bet $1000 these edits are not done in good faith; mainly because I can only afford to bet $1000. Haizum 05:57, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
We can agree to disagree here. I just want you to know that I'm very set on my position regarding this user. Haizum 05:58, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Inflammatory Comments

Please cease making inflammatory comments on my page, I promise that the next personal attack you make will be deleted.--GorillazFan Adam 05:32, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Would you stop accusing other users of making "inflammatory comments" and "personal attacks", especially when they've done nothing of the sort? You seem to think anything anyone says is an attack against you, and you respond in a really inflammatory manner that only serves to escalate conflicts. You need to look inwards and adjust your attitude. --Cyde↔Weys 05:39, 18 June 2006 (UTC)