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Your use of multiple Misplaced Pages accounts

Hi. An editor has opened an investigation into sockpuppetry by you. Sockpuppetry is the use of more than one Misplaced Pages account in a manner that contravenes community policy. The investigation is being held at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Joshua Jonathan, where the editor who opened the investigation has presented their evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with the guide to responding to investigations, and then feel free to offer your own evidence or to submit comments that you wish to be considered by the Misplaced Pages administrator who decides the result of the investigation. If you have been using multiple accounts (in a manner contrary to Misplaced Pages policy), please go to the investigation page and verify that now. Leniency is usually shown to those who promise not to do so again, or who did so unwittingly, but the abuse of multiple accounts is taken very seriously by the Misplaced Pages community. Devanampriya (talk) 09:50, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

For those interested:

• Misplaced Pages talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics#Dharmachakra
• Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution noticeboard#Dharmachakra
• Talk:Dharmacakra#Proposal for History-section
• Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard#Devanampriya keeps reverting at Yoga Page

Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 11:04, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

What else you are interested in..

Except Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism. Bladesmulti (talk) 13:54, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Why? To enter an area with less controversy? Spirituality, mysticism; same range, I'm afraid... Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 21:10, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Wow, are you a SPA? Bladesmulti (talk) 02:08, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

If so, a SPA with a very broad range :) There are few editors, I guess, who are knowledgeable at both Buddhism and Hinduism (though I know more about Buddhism). Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 09:17, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes, sounds about to be right. Anyways, if you would like to, just check Voltaire, and recent/last conversation on its talk page. Thanks! Bladesmulti (talk) 09:51, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

What? You want me to run into even more problems? ;) I'll take a look - but I don't promise I'll interfere. Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 13:36, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I took a look, but it's notclear to me what's the problem. But I do think that Drmies is an experienced editor. Maybe you can give Itsmejudith some room to make his edits, and kindly comment on them at the Talk page? Let's assume good faith (that's my feeling here). By the way, I have to admit, that my troubles with you-know-who must look just as difficult to follow as this dispute looks to me. That's also a an attempt to put myself and my pre-occupations into perspective. Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 13:57, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Drmies has no dispute with me there, only other person, who keeps adding content from sources like "www.voltaire-integral.com"(half of them), after acclaiming to "derive from french wiki", i mean seriously? Bladesmulti (talk) 15:50, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Nevertheless, I think you should try to point out your objections friendly, at the Talk page. I noticed though the insertion of large pieces of French; I hardly speak or read French myself, so I really don't understand what it's good for. But again, that's something you can explain at the talk page. I'm really sorry, I feel I should do more to try to help or negotiate, but this dharmacakra-dispute is wearing me off. I don't have the time or energy left to engage in this one. I'm really sorry, since I appreciate your comments and requests, and your open attitude, even when I revert you (which I did do, several times! "Big zero!" wasn't true! (And I still will, when it's necessary; standards are standards!)) Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 16:02, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

You are discussed on the Rajiv Malhotra yahoo group

You are discussed on the Rajiv Malhotra yahoo group by an individual claiming to be Manipadmehum. VictoriaGrayson (talk) 22:56, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

That's something for ANI, isn't it? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 22:57, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

This is the link to the group. VictoriaGrayson (talk) 23:00, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

And what's being discussed? I don't seem to have access to that page - or I don't know how it works. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 23:03, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

You have to ask permission to join.VictoriaGrayson (talk) 23:08, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

No way. Can you copy-paste? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 23:10, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Its not working for me anymore. I might have got banned.VictoriaGrayson (talk) 23:12, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Ah, you made yourself popular? Seems to be a problem to some, when convictions are being questioned. Anyway, some time ago then, that I was being "discussed"? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 23:17, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

It is working now. But I don't feel comfortable copying and pasting. Actually Rajiv Malhotra was agreeing with Misplaced Pages, in that people are not following proper Misplaced Pages procedures. So you should not prejudge. The discussion was from January 5th-9th. VictoriaGrayson (talk) 23:21, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for your integrity (that's maybe not the best phrasing, but I'm not a native speaker). Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 09:10, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

I wouldn't worry about it. At least nobody is writing about you in Examiner.com! (yes, there's scurrilous/libelous article there about me, full of lies). The author gets paid by the hit so I wouldn't bother looking at it. Dougweller (talk) 13:53, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

I'll avoid to look at Examiner.com what that is :) Thanks! Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 14:43, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Examiner.com is so unclear, what they are trying to tell. Anyways, the yahoo group, a person says that it should not be bought that you are a buddhist, and gives reason. Want me to copy paste here? Bladesmulti (talk) 08:57, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Please. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 10:18, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Grammar

See note on my Talk page.CorinneSD (talk) 16:01, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Sanghao Caves

I discovered about Sanghao Caves from your template, just made a page about it, now since it is in Pakistan, we(anyone) wouldn't know much about it, it has definitely something to do with ancient indian subcontinent belief as well. But I wonder when we may know about it. Bladesmulti (talk) 16:59, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Copied from Raj Malohtra.

Mani Sharma writes:-

Hi Rajiv, I was trying to elaborate on Swami Vivekananda's contributions to yoga in Misplaced Pages, but I got the following response and my changes got reverted. The id that I use on Wiki is "Manipadmehum". Here is the link to my arguments with the editors of yoga -

https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Yoga

I have copied the sections below highlighting in bold and underlining those parts which are plan wrong to an average Hindu / Indian. But this is the line of thinking followed by western scholars in some prominent universities like White, University of california. There is also an embedded pdf in the section which explains the "thesis". It is also the first time I hear about Madame Blavatsky who seem to have influenced modern Hinduism and modern Buddhism. Vivekananda & Early Buddhist Texts Vivekananda is absolutely not a reliable source on Yoga. He was a Hindu nationalist, not a scholar. To insert a text like this has nothing to do with understanding the origins of Yoga, but with promoting Hindu-nationalism, and is plain WP:OR. See White (2011) p.20-21 for an assessment of Vivekananda: "Vivekananda’s rehabilitation of what he termed “rāja yoga” is exemplary, for its motives, its influences, and its content. A shrewd culture broker seeking a way to turn his countrymen away from practices he termed “kitchen religion,” Vivekananda seized upon the symbolic power of yoga as a genuinely Indian, yet non-sectarian, type of applied philosophy that could be wielded as a “unifying sign of the Indian nation . . . not only for national consumption but for consumption by the entire world” (Van der Veer 2001: 73–74). For Vivekananda, rāja yoga, or “classical yoga,” was the science of yoga taught in the Yoga Sūtra, a notion he took from none other than the Theosophist Madame Blavatsky, who had a strong Indian following in the late nineteenth century. Following his success in introducing rāja yoga to western audiences at the 1892 World Parliament of Religions at Chicago, Vivekananda remained in the United States for much of the next decade (he died in 1902), lecturing and writing on the YS. His quite idiosyncratic interpretations of this work were highly congenial to the religiosity of the period, which found expression in India mainly through the rationalist spirituality of Neo-Vedānta. So it was that Vivekananda defined rāja yoga as the supreme contemplative path to selfrealization, in which the self so realized was the supreme self, the absolute brahman or god-self within."

Replies

By Rohan Kanji

[Rajiv: I agree 100% with this post. But what have people done about it since the same issue of wicki was discussed her months ago? Nothing.

Some folks here resolved to gather and DO something. They put up a totally new entry on Rajiv Malhotra. It was deleted in a few days by the gatekeepers citing all sorts of reasons and lack of due process Our side lost stamina.

Because it seemed contrived and not natural from our side the wicki folks toughened their stance against me. Change is supposed to be done gradualy with each change backed by evidence cited in footnotes and links. Hence the half-ass effort by our folks has backfired.

So dont start something amateurish as its better to do nothing if you dont know what you are doing. This is not a game for inexperienced folks with passion/opinions but no competence.

This entity "Joshua Jonathan" is editing anything that touches Hinduism and Buddhism. �I think it is an organization of multiple people and not a single entity. �If it is a single person, he has a full-time job to do this. �Probably a well-funded entity considering how many man-hours it invests editing and enforcing its views. �This entity "Joshua Jonathan" likes anti-Hindu scholars like Martha Nussbaum. �I conjecture that it may �be related to receive patronage of U of Chicago or some other AAR member. �

Just go and take a look at Rajiv Malhotra wiki page and you will see that this entity inserted all kinds of text from references which are anti-RM and some are patently Indian Christian. �In fact, RM's wiki page is dominated by one highly spurious anti-RM reference. �No prizes for guessing - "Joshua Jonathan" is the most active editor of RM wiki page. �Compare that page to those of Wendy Doniger or Martha Nussbaum. �You can see the difference of night and day. �

This entity will out-win you by sheer expense of time. �Misplaced Pages has been turned into a joke by these characters. �

"Joshua Jonathan" claims to be a Buddhist but do not buy it. �It is on a mission to demolish anything labeled, or even remotely connected with the label, neo-Hinduism. Unless you are willing to spend considerable time waging an intellectual battle, forget it.

By Samkhyalover

Well, I have to agree that Vivekananda was not a professionally trained scholar.

Rajiv: Based on whatever your criteria of "professional training" means, nor am I or you

professionaly trained". Nor was Sri Ramakrishna, Sri Aurobindo, or any of our great acharyas. Nor Buddha, etc... Only Wendy Doniger, Witzel, Hawley, and their large lineages would be considered by you as "professionally trained". You have in effect bought into the coloniation of what makes a competent Hindu thinker. You assume that western style system accredition is what makes one trained. Therefore, all yogis in history are in effect rejected by you as none of them from Patanjali on had certification by western style institutions.

Bladesmulti (talk) 12:01, 26 January 2014 (UTC)