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IPhonehurricane95 Sockpuppets

You commented that the IP Address from which he was operating were very mobile. But wouldn't a rangeblock work on that IP Range? And if it can't, then I think that we need to take this to the Wikimedia Foundation Admins. LightandDark2000 (talk) 07:16, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

We risk blocking a lot of innocent people in the process. And the same would be true if we referred this to m:Stewards. --Rschen7754 07:23, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

I think I wrote that it was a "very busy mobile" range, and Rschen7754 is correct, many innocent editors would be affected by a block - what we refer to as collateral damage. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 12:36, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Then why don't we exempt the innocent users/IPs? That is something that admins are able to do. Also, we had to resort to at least two Rangeblocks in the past to stop his vandalism, once in February 2012, and another time in August 2013. At this point, I think that a 1-2 year rangeblock of his IP Range may be our only solution at this point, especially if IpH95 continued creating new socks. LightandDark2000 (talk) 02:47, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

We can't for IPs, especially dynamic ones. --Rschen7754 02:48, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

So... You're saying that there's nothing we can do to stop him? Are rangeblocks (or global blocks for that matter) actually useless against his current IP Range? There has to be something else we can do besides sitting there and waiting for him to make his next move. From his history of editing, it has taken long-term Rangeblocks to stop him, as noted here. LightandDark2000 (talk) 02:51, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

I have blocked mobile ranges before - one sockmaster forced me to block several ranges from this same mobile provider, in fact. I'm not willing, however, to block this particular range as it is far too busy. What was done in the past is not applicable today. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 03:02, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

You mean that this range changes too often? But if that's the case, isn't there something that we can do? Would taking this to the Wikimedia Foundation admins help? LightandDark2000 (talk) 04:04, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by Wikimedia Foundation admins. --Rschen7754 04:08, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

I mean the Wikimedia Stewards, or it could be the people who are in charge of Wikimedia. I think that we should request a Global Block on IPhonehurricane95 and all of his associated sockpuppets and IP Ranges. If this doesn't work, then an admin should create a bot that automatically blocks/reverts the edits of any and all accounts originating from this sockmaster's IP Range. LightandDark2000 (talk) 05:16, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

One thing that does work is WP:DENY. I think that all the attention that you are drawing to this is just making him want to cause more disruption. --Rschen7754 06:58, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm sure that attention has a lot to do with it. However, if I stop, it wouldn't help anything. He was vandalizing long before I picked up on him, and he will still vandalize as often as he wants to, as long as he is able to create more socks. PS, the rangeblock calculator indicates that his IP Range is 0.0.0.0/0. LightandDark2000 (talk) 04:39, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

The range block calculator has apparently been given invalid input, as that is the entire IPv4 address space. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 14:19, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

I know, his IPs are all over the place, which makes it that much worse. However, blocking the following ranges would cover all of his IPs, and should still be just as effective: 192.0.0.0/3, 42.0.0.0/9, and 64.0.0.0/2. I highly recommend 3-5 years, given his pattern of vandalism and a refusal to stop sockpuppeting. If I'm wrong and there was an invalid imput, could you please use this link to calculate his IP Range, given the data of his IPs in this list? LightandDark2000 (talk) 00:05, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

First off, the software won't let us block any ranges larger than /16, and even then, we only block that many addresses in cases of extreme abuse. So, no, those suggested blocks won't be happening. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 01:47, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Just a thought before bed

Do you remember the 'Cody' sockpuppets? I'm wondering about the recent arrival of Cody the history man... Peridon (talk) 21:54, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

That rings a bell, but I can't put my finger on it at the moment. At any rate, I blocked Cody and his friend as VOAs. Cheers ​—DoRD (talk)​ 22:05, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

This?
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 23:17, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't think that's what I had in mind - I'm thinking of something more recent. Anyway, this Cody and his friend were editing from a school, so it could just be the typical bored-kid-in-the-computer-lab vandalism. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 01:36, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Finke is what I couldn't remember. Peridon (talk) 10:53, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/24.188.32.225

In regards to Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/24.188.32.225 what you are missing is that User talk:69.119.124.12 has quite openly said on the Talk:Chattan Confederation page that No worries about the IP Address, I'll just change it again !! What he is saying is that he will change his IP address to avoid blocks. Yes the two IP addresses have edited at completely different times and yes the first one is no longer blocked but I know that it is the same user through my experience. Surely if someone is admitting that: No worries about the IP Address, I'll just change it again then he clearly trying to evade the admins on Misplaced Pages and something should be done about it.QuintusPetillius (talk) 15:35, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Without evidence that blocks have been evaded, simply threatening to change IP addresses isn't sockpuppetry. There are hundreds or thousands of editors using that ISP, so there is no way we can sift through all their contributions to find out if the threat has been carried out. If you find evidence, I'll be glad to look at the case again. Cheers ​—DoRD (talk)​ 15:42, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Even though he has admited that he has already changed his IP address in malice ? noting that he uses the word "again". Well it looks like again, once he gets going I will have to go through the procedure of reporting him to admin for vandalism.QuintusPetillius (talk) 15:56, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

We can't just block the latest IP because they say they have changed their IP address. We require evidence that they are actively socking or evading a block. Even with evidence, blocks are ineffective if the user can change addresses at will. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 16:05, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Mr Yoke Llully

My apologies for picking on you again. Think of it as a tribute to your approachability and knowledge. :-) I wanted to leave this message for Reaper Eternal because he's had more experience with this report, but he's been busy in real life and not active here for over two weeks. The problem is most of the puppets are blocked with User:Soapamalkanmaime as the master. Yet, there is no report for Soapamalkanmaime and thus there's no link to the correct report on the user pages. I'd like to move the report to Soapamalkanmaime as the master and then change the few tags there are for Mr Yoke Llully to Soapamalkanmaime so everything is consistent. In fact, I have this problem when I block a new puppet on duck, which happened recently, without opening up the SPI. I tag them as Soapamalkanmaime, but each time it bothers me. Do you agree that I should do this? Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:07, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm heading out for the evening, but I'll take a look at the case, etc., in the morning. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 00:34, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Okay...well, I suppose a move to that account would be fine since that is how the socks have been tagged and how the cats are named, but the oldest account I saw in the case was Keepsgames (talk · contribs). ​—DoRD (talk)​ 14:42, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Heh, I didn't even see that, so should I still stick with the Soap account or make Keep the master on everything? And while I'm waiting your response, forgive me for asking sort of the same question I asked earlier, but as the report is now archived, can I just move the report and the archive will go along with it, or do I have to check subpages when I move the report (someone ought to write a script for lame people like me)?--Bbb23 (talk) 01:28, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

If it was me, I'd go with Soapamalkanmaime so that I didn't have to retag the socks and rename the cats, but YMMV. And yeah, the "move subpages" checkbox should take care of the archive, but like I said before, you'll want to go back and nuke the archive redirect afterward since it is unneeded. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 02:23, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Okay, thanks, I'll try to take care of it tomorrow. I'm kinda tired now and will soon go off-wiki and on to dinner and relaxation.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:29, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

It's done. I could swear I've done this before without moving the archive subpage, and it worked, but I was too chicken to try it, particularly because I wasn't sure how I would undo it if it didn't work. I've also changed all the puppets to point to the Soap account. Right or wrong, it's now consistent.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:13, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Dragonron

I found the original master is User:Wiki-star. I also have a thread at WP:ANI#Wiki-star. Can you block his range already?—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 18:23, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

A couple of IPs have been blocked, but like I have said, I am not comfortable blocking the mobile range. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 21:01, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Well could you at least semi-protect X96lee15's user talk? He keeps restoring Wiki-star/Dragonron's edits.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 22:00, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

If X96lee15 requests that their talk page be protected, I will consider it. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 01:50, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

User:TranquilityResides

I see you CU-blocked him, so I thought I should let you know he is mentioned in an ongoing SPI, in case you didn't already know that. Someone not using his real name (talk) 18:39, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, Someone not using his real name, I have commented at the SPI. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 20:59, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

User:SweetPotatoSalad

Is Beautyfrisco (talk · contribs) a sock of SweetPotatoSalad?--Bbb23 (talk) 20:05, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Good question, but CU didn't give me the answer I was expecting. This account isn't even close technically or geographically to Dragonron, aka SweetPotatoSalad, TranquilityResides, etc. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 20:18, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Interesting. Legoktm has indeffed the new user for block evasion (not unreasonable based on duck, but ...). Meanwhile, User:Ryulong, who can be headstrong, has twice removed Beautyfrisco's report at WP:AN3, even though the first time I told him to leave it for an administrator.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:29, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

I heard the quacking, too, but I can only guess that this is either MEAT or someone else trying to get Ryulong in trouble. <sigh> ​—DoRD (talk)​ 20:34, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Unblock requests

Hi DoRD, could you help me with a couple unblock requests? It relates to Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Hhighimpact059/Archive. User:DIZwikwiki and User:PrestonDorey were both marked as confirmed by Tiptoety and I blocked them. They have each posted unblock requests claiming that it is a false positive as they are coworkers and share the same IP for that reason. I'm hesitant to unblock at this point since I can't verify whether their explanations match the evidence, I think it would be best if a checkuser were to comment on that first. I've asked Tiptoety and another checkuser to comment on whether the evidence matches their explanations, but neither of them have done so. Could you look into it? Mark Arsten (talk) 03:35, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Hey, Mark, I'll take a look at them in the morning. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 03:57, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, I really appreciate it. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:58, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Mark, except for Hhighimpact059, the accounts listed in the SPI are  Technically indistinguishable, but it is also possible that the IP they're using is a business connection. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 14:25, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for looking into this. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:17, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	Most active checkuser by a large margin for two months in a row! Mark Arsten (talk) 22:05, 3 February 2014 (UTC)