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| == Claim of Zoroastrian influence on later religions is not NPOV == | |||
| The third paragraph reads - "Zoroaster's ideas led to a formal religion bearing his name by about the 6th century BCE and have influenced other later religions including Judaism, Gnosticism, Christianity and Islam." | |||
| This is taking for granted the falsity of Jewish, Christian and Islamic claims about their own purity and authenticity and is therefore not neutral, not to mention false. Also 'Zoroaster's ideas' makes it sound as if he was the originator or owner of these ideas, which is again neither neutral nor correct. The ideas originated from Ahura Mazda through Vohu Mana and are therefore His ideas and not Zoroaster's. 'Zoroaster's teachings' would be much more suitable IMO. There needs to be some kind of correction here becuase as it is the sentence is a lie. | |||
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Claim of Zoroastrian influence on later religions is not NPOV
The third paragraph reads - "Zoroaster's ideas led to a formal religion bearing his name by about the 6th century BCE and have influenced other later religions including Judaism, Gnosticism, Christianity and Islam."
This is taking for granted the falsity of Jewish, Christian and Islamic claims about their own purity and authenticity and is therefore not neutral, not to mention false. Also 'Zoroaster's ideas' makes it sound as if he was the originator or owner of these ideas, which is again neither neutral nor correct. The ideas originated from Ahura Mazda through Vohu Mana and are therefore His ideas and not Zoroaster's. 'Zoroaster's teachings' would be much more suitable IMO. There needs to be some kind of correction here becuase as it is the sentence is a lie.
Psychologicaloric (talk) 00:58, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
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In the second paragraph of the introduction, it currently reads: "In the eastern part of ancient Persia more than thousand years BCE, a religious philosopher called Zoroaster simplified the pantheon of early Iranian gods into two opposing forces: Ahura Mazda (Illuminating Wisdom) and Angra Mainyu (Destructive Spirit) which were in conflict."
This should be changed to: In the eastern part of ancient Persia more than a thousand years BCE, a religious philosopher called Zoroaster simplified the pantheon of early Iranian gods into two opposing forces: Ahura Mazda (Illuminating Wisdom) and Angra Mainyu (Destructive Spirit) which were in conflict."
Just adding an "a" between the words "than" and "thousand".
Thanks JSimar (talk) 00:12, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
- Question: Is there any reason not to phrase it "before 1000 BCE"? Rivertorch (talk) 05:32, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Already done Thanks, Celestra (talk) 04:33, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
Pantheism!!!
Quite frankly this assertion is a pile of bilge! It likely comes from an occultist or mystical source but certainly not a mainline academic source.
Zoroastrianism is unique in that Ahura Mazda unlike any God of other monotheistic religions is absolutely transcendent and is similar in that respect is a Deist concept of the divine.
To assert theism, panentheism or pantheism runs counter to everything that distinguishes Zoroastrianism from other religions.
If there are no objections I'll start working on a properly referenced clean-up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.25.109.197 (talk) 10:00, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
Not really, saying that it is deism is much more likely to be false than pantheist. It would be more correct to consider it panentheism, with Ahura Mazda beeing the good aspect and evil beeing the ausence or corruption of good (druj). Deism would violate the zoro concepr of day of judgement, afterlife and prophecy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.9.179.230 (talk) 13:22, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
Influenced by Babylonians?
It is true that some aspects of Zoroastrian iconography have clear sumerian influences, but the doctrines and gods are vastly different. It would be interesting to this article or preferably other to detail what were those influences.
Also,apart from some periods of persian history (such as during the seleucid dinasty,were there was partial syncretism and reduction of zoroastrian identity) the relation of zoroastrian and babylonian religion are much more regarding art and iconography than any other thing, hence it is wrong to say itwas "strongly" influenced by the babylonians.
Some minor groups could be considered as more influenced though, such as mazdakism.201.9.179.230 (talk) 13:26, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
Worship
Could we have a description of Zoroastrian worship? J S Ayer (talk) 22:37, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
Mazdaism and Zoroastrianism were different!
For example, the Persian-Achaemenid Empire did NOT believe Zoroaster! (but they saw Ahura Mazda as their god...) / Zoroaster was from the Median Empire. Böri (talk) 11:55, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
Claim of Zoroastrian influence on later religions is a lie
The third paragraph reads - "Zoroaster's ideas led to a formal religion bearing his name by about the 6th century BCE and have influenced other later religions including Judaism, Gnosticism, Christianity and Islam."
This is taking for granted the falsity of Jewish, Christian and Islamic claims about their own purity and authenticity and is therefore not neutral, not to mention false. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Psychologicaloric (talk • contribs) 00:51, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
- "Religious fundamentalism" is not listed on WP:Reliable sources, WP:NPOV, or WP:CITE as an acceptable basis for any claims here. Your own personal disagreement with almost all academia is not what the site runs on. Even if your position wasn't completely opposite that of academia, you have yet to cite any sources. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:55, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
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