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why did you remove the sentence on the McCarthyism page?

Your comment about removing it says "revert... the paragraph is about myths about McCarthy, not about whether McCarthy was ever right)" It is a one word sentence in the introduction about McCarthyism. To say that it is a paragraph is being generous and to say that the "paragraph" can only be about one topic implies that the sentence should have gone somewhere else rather than been removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.138.223.87 (talk) 06:23, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

I thought the addition was clumsy and unclear. The references you selected show that historians are mostly in agreement regarding whether Alger Hiss was really a Communist spy. Your visible text says Hiss was "likely" a spy. This assertion would be more solid if historians were not so split on the matter. You failed to bring references showing that Hiss is considered innocent of espionage by quite a few historians. At any rate, the McCarthyism article is not the place to argue the Hiss case, and the lead section of any article is not the place for new evidence. Per WP:LEAD, the lead section should be a summary of the arguments found in the article body. If you feel otherwise, you can ask for opinions on the McCarthyism talk page. Binksternet (talk) 07:47, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

GovLinks

as a participant in the discussion, you might be interested in this thread. thank you. Frietjes (talk) 16:24, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

The 1993 Philadelphia Meeting

I have left a proposed rewrite of the 1993 Philadelphia Meeting on the talk page for the Holy Land Foundation Misplaced Pages page for your input. Livingengine1 (talk) 01:09, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Last SIOA edit

Yo, the Anti-Muslim orgs category was removed because the category doesn't exist anymore. Poor decision, but leaving a redlink won't change that. Also, what's the deal with Expo as a source? –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:27, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Aha, I have taken out the deleted category. The Expo.se source is not unreliable by itself, being a Swedish group working against hate. Its use in the article was not appropriate because Breivik's words were being quoted out of context, without analysis. His strategy appears to be one of confusing the media with contradictory motives. We cannot give the reader just one of his statements when others show it to be false or at least questionable. Binksternet (talk) 15:41, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Oh, I agree the bit doesn't belong in the article; I was just wondering at your suggestion that the source was unreliable, since it seemed fine to me. Looks like we're on the same page. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:49, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Raising Caen

User_talk:Cynthiavictoria#Trying_to_give_the_fuller_picture -- EEng (talk) 05:04, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Petrarchan

This puts me in an awkward position. You and I have worked well together in the past and I certainly don't want to spoil that. What policy or guideline gave you the right to do that? And what do I do now that Petrarchan told me I could contribute no more on his/her user talk? --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 04:46, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

I've reviewed what I believe are the relevant guidelines (WP:TALK and WP:USER) and I don't see anything that entitled you to delete my comment on another editor's user talk. As such I believe WP:TPO applies. Please self-revert, or I'll ask an admin to do it. Thanks. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 04:57, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

So you wish to violate Petrarchan's admonition to you to stay off her user page? What guideline allows that? Binksternet (talk) 06:54, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

No, he/she specifically asked me to answer his/her question and then stay off his/her user talk. It's up to him/her to decide whether my answer was acceptable or not. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 20:12, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

What is the problem you have with using "she" and "her" with regard to User Petrarchan47? Don't make her into a faceless enemy by keeping her gender a question. Binksternet (talk) 00:00, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

AGF. I call everyone "he/she" until I have evidence one way or the other. I try not to make assumptions. How do you know Petrarchan is female? --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 01:08, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Regarding your last post on her page, it was not an answer. Do we both agree on this point? It was a reply, yes, but it did not answer her question, and instead became an accusation. She allowed you one final answer but you did not answer. Binksternet (talk) 00:00, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

No, I don't agree. "She" asked me to substantiate my accusation, so I did. You don't get to be the arbiter of what's an "answer" and what isn't. I'm done bickering. Two questions: Will you or won't you self revert? And if you don't, what do you suppose I should do? --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 01:08, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

With this pair of posts, you severely misrepresented Petra's response to Brian. You said she "failed to address most of his arguments" yet you ignored the fact that she responded to Brian's accusation that Petra was pushing the "bullet-to-the-head" news source as a big news source. She explains that the Buzzfeed source was only used minimally, to explain why Snowden's lawyer was asking for more security, which was another of Brian's complaints.

The biggest problem I see is that you are following Brian's example by making this content argument a personal vendetta against Petra. Has her response been personal as well? Yes, it has, but I see Brian as the source problem, you as an enabler of Brian, and Petra as the victim despite her lashing back in kind. Binksternet (talk) 17:40, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

I have been followed around by Bdell555 for over a month. Due to time constraints and a severe dislike for noticeboards, I have let it slide over and over. I first noticed that after an interaction with him at Snowden talk, Bdell555 was countering me on an entirely unrelated matter at Jimbo's, where I had made my most recent contribution. Next thing I knew, it seemed a regular occurrence. When I started to help with the WikiProject Mass Surveillance (the Day We Fight Back), there he was again, weighing in against it. I made a post there talking about an NSA whistleblower called Russ Tice. After his visit to TDWFB, Bdell555 next hit the Tice bio and essentially smeared the man, adding and wikilinking the word "psychotic" in the first paragraph of his article. I next spent days fighting with him at the BLP noticeboard, where I asked for help but was ignored. Then I tussled with him at the Tice page for a few days, all the while getting more exasperated since I had other things I needed to be doing. Bdell555 was meanwhile back at the Snowden article making long comments like this full of original research, and demanding that I read and respond to them all. I asked for the comments to be more concise and contain more RS, and said I would respond to readable, useable posts. The diatribes did not end, and I finally was exhausted, and admitted it. This was when Fleischman showed up and claimed that I was ignoring the good faith contributions of Bdell555, and complained about my behaviour. I was hoping this meant Dr F had actually read through the contributions and deemed them good faith (as opposed to using the opportunity to pile on), and that he would be able to re-write them in a way I could understand. If in fact, there was nothing to those posts I was being told to read, save for POV/ OR/ SYNTH, then my exhaustion was well-founded. I was asking for help and truly thought Dr F would respond in good faith. I believe the exact opposite happened. I am wondering if you have an idea of a course of action, Binksternet, for one who finds themselves in this position? petrarchan47tc 00:43, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Would WP:IBAN work for you? If so, I'll propose it. Binksternet (talk) 01:21, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for responding so fast. IBAN is new to me. All of it makes sense to me except for the ban on reverting edits. I'm not that confident in my editing to claim I can't be reverted. What has happened feels to me like team-Wikihounding. Though it wasn't ever planned that way to begin with, there was a choice to oppose me in union with another editor, but without justification. Once it was shown that the reason for the opposition was invalid, there was a dance done to obfuscate this by starting new topics on the Snowden talk page and then hounding me at mine. Claims made against me about having a bad reaction when my POV is opposed are untrue. This can be shown by talk page. I tried to work with Bdell555 but I just couldn't understand what he was trying to say. I think if the Snowden talk page, and the edits at my talk and other articles I've worked on where I was followed over the past month, were thoroughly scanned, it would show a pattern of editing that should probably result in some topic bans. I'm not familiar with all of the guidelines and don't know exactly what has happened in WP:WIKITERMS, but it feels very wrong and has absolutely interfered with my ability to enjoy editing here. petrarchan47tc 02:02, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Bink, I already understood your position about why you believe my answer was inappropriate. I disagree, but I don't think we will make progress discussing it further. But, you didn't answer my two questions, which I ask in good faith. Will you or won't you self revert? (Based on your response, I suspect the answer is no.) And if you don't, what do you suppose I should do? I ask the second question because Petrarchan clearly wanted me to answer. I could try to answer again to your satisfaction, or I could not (leaving Petrarchan's request unfulfilled? not sure), or I could leave a note on Petrarchan's page saying I tried to answer but you didn't approve (a violation of Petrarchan's request). I just want to know what you were/are expecting from me. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 04:11, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

I think this is one of those times when any response on Petra's talk page will not be helpful; not to you, nor Petra, nor the project. I'm getting ready to post something about hounding and banning at AN, and I'll ping you about it so you can express your thoughts. Binksternet (talk) 04:41, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Ok, I think I can safely interpret that as no to the first question, nothing to the second question. Re your AN report, are you talking about me or about Brian Dell? --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 04:47, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

I'm talking about Petrarchan47, and those who have either hounded her or interacted disruptively with her. The diffs I look at will determine who I bring to the discussion. Binksternet (talk) 15:31, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

I haven't reviewed Brian's interactions with Petrarchan, but I doubt you'll find much ammunition against me unless you consider "disagreement" to be disruption or hounding. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 21:40, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

I truly don't think that this sudden urge to micro-manage the one article I've turned my attention to at the moment is the most reasonable response, Fleischman. petrarchan47tc 23:12, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

• More chatter is here. petrarchan47tc 00:02, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

He is now breathing down my neck at The Day We Fight Back, at this point it is literally him or me. I am liking your original suggestion a lot right now, as well as the second one. I cannot edit here with this guy on the same articles. It seems obvious that if I am working on only one article, and have this guy reverting me even there for the past two days, of all articles that he could be editing - something needs to be done. I am not going to edit here any longer if this continues. petrarchan47tc 07:54, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

My complaints have nothing to do with hurt feelings or reverts. Frankly, it is offensive that you would obfuscate and minimize the issue by calling me "thin-skinned". I never heard that before you found out I was female, and am unsurprised to hear accusations like this now. petrarchan47tc

Also, I'm curious if you saw this? --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 08:43, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

That's scary, considering you had very skewed and uninformed views about the subject you've dedicated your editing time to recently. The talk page shows you are trying to take control of the content, yet the page has gone without an update until I did it today. The protest has been finished for a week, yet the one active editor left on the page - you - have not seen fit to give an update to the results? Do you edit pages whose subject you actually hate? I know the answer, and it's evident by your edits, but I wanted you to know it is obvious. It is against the rules too: heavy bias means your contributions hinder the Project and your energetic dedication to mess with editors you hate can drive them away, which also hurts the Project. petrarchan47tc 23:38, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

• Yep, he's busy reverting me again. I sincerely think that someone should look over his work at The Day We Fight Back, and eventually look at it against the backdrop of my request for help with BDell555 at Snowden, and Dr F's response (taking sides with BDell555 against me). It would appear that I am expected to deal with Dr F if I am to edit here, contrary to his claims that I am editing articles he isn't, and that this is all just innocent Misplaced Pages editing where we are only coincidentally coinciding. I reiterate my support for the IBAN idea. petrarchan47tc 23:46, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

• I expect that I'll be able to get to this issue on Wednesday. Binksternet (talk) 23:59, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

I encourage other editors two look over my work at The Day We Fight Back. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 04:16, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

"May we recommend"

(Since that big strong Bracketbot visited you recently...) User:EEng#.28thumbs_up.29 -- EEng (talk) 06:32, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

That's funny! Binksternet (talk) 01:23, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Owain Phyfe

Dear Binksternet, I was wondering if you could look over the article Owain Phyfe, which has just been nominated for deletion. Thanks in advance.Rosencomet (talk) 00:40, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Editor retention

So, you're not at all concerned that on the heels of a dispute about a file Doc starts a bizarre content dispute pushing a point that is physically impossible and disputed by higher quality sources on an article that passed FA last month? And if I did this to Doc I suppose you would take the exact opposite stance. You see yourself as a "bully fighter", but in your way you are as much a bully as anybody I know on Misplaced Pages. GabeMc 22:17, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

I was not talking about Doc, nor am I concerned about him. I was watching your interaction with Cullen and responding to that alone. What did you intend to communicate with the heading "Editor retention"? Binksternet (talk) 22:24, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Cullen has lied repeatedly to sway this debate. Remember those two books that discuss the image? They don't at all, even the one with it on the cover doesn't. I'm feeling ganged-up on for the last time and I'm not even sure why I waste my time here anymore. Thanks for always being there to remind me and everyone around how bad I am for the project. FTR, there are now 1400 words devoted to drugs and 1200 devoted to his three studio albums, and Cullen keeps pushing for more so that the mugshot is justified, since most of the article will be about his drug use and crimes, not his music or life. Its WP:UNDUE, and its revenge for opposing the mugshot. I can't believe that you can't see that. GabeMc 22:32, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

I'm also not talking about the content dispute, about drugs or whatever should have more text devoted. I'm talking about your personal style, Gabe. So quickly you jump in front of someone's face to make an argument personal, especially by switching to the person's talk page as you are doing now. It was a terrible decision of yours to take the mugshot argument to Cullen's talk page, as if it was Cullen's personal editing style that was the problem, since most of the resulting very long conversation would have been of interest to the other Hendrix editors. All of that should have stayed on the article talk page. Binksternet (talk) 22:44, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Right, but you called me the bully in a thread where Doc is insisting that we add an impossible factoid out of spite and you just look the other way. I'm not a big fan of your personal style either, but I don't judge you for it at every turn and attempt to humiliate you as often as I can. There are plenty of editors that are far worse than me and many of them are admins, so what's your point? Oh well, I wanted to write a book anyway, and I'll never get it done arguing with Doc about chronological impossibility. Why won't you at least weigh-in that we shouldn't include a falsehood just because two bad sources repeat it. GabeMc 22:49, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

• FTR, Cullen agrees with me about the drug issue and they apologized to me for misleading people. So next time that you go around calling people bullies on talk pages at least ask the person who you think is being bullied if they need your "help" before smearing the good name of a well-intentioned editor. Its not often that a bullied person apologizes to their bully. You should have stayed out of it, because you do not show good judgment about these things, IMO. GabeMc 18:30, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

• BTW, this is the proper solution: Jimi Hendrix: Canadian drug charges and trial, and its exactly what I went to Cullen's talk page to discuss in the first place, before you jumped in five minutes later and side-tracked the whole thread trying to "put me in my place". Please stop acting like an admin assigned to watch me, because you do not possess the right skill-set. GabeMc 18:58, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Bullying

I prefer not to discuss article content issues on my talk page. Such issues are for the article talk page.

Regarding the label "bully" as applied to you, take a look here:

• Your hounding accusation against Dubmill. You used strong-arm tactics to scare away another good faith editor who was interested in the same single article as you were—David Gilmour. You misrepresented to Dubmill that he was breaking the guideline at WP:HOUNDING; the truth is that there is no possibility of hounding at one single article. Hounding requires the following around of another editor to multiple articles. Dubmill backs off and apologises. You then showed one more intersection of interests, a change made by Dubmill at the Who a few hours after your change. Again, this is a misrepresentation of HOUNDING, since Dubmill was already interested in music articles, and in that page, and it was being changed by many other editors at the time. Note that "your" addition was flawed: " They subsequently earned achieved a number of further hit singles"; one too many words. Dubmill fixed it handily. Binksternet (talk) 06:26, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

I know you have acted in a bullying manner before, and I can see several similar cases in your recent edit history. I don't care to list them all as it would take too much time for doubtful results. Binksternet (talk) 06:26, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Dubmill corrected the exact same sentences that I had edited at two different articles five days in a row after I reverted him once (you missed it at the Who). That's hounding, and FTR I stopped editing David Gilmour to stay away from him. It would be FA right now if I had stayed there. GabeMc 00:34, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Will you at least acknowledge that you might not have seen all the right diffs regarding Dumill? Why do you think I havn't edited there in several months? GabeMc 01:08, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

This is what I'm talking about, Bink. You can't go around "label bombing" people while also refusing to discuss the allegations; its cowardly, IMO. I never even saw Dubmill before I reverted them once (ironically, it was a "t" to a "T"), then they copyedited the exact same sentences that I wrote or edited for five days in a row at two different articles. Please, if you put into the permanent record that I bullied them by warning them about hounding at least do me the courtesy of explaining how that's not hounding? I'll bet you if I did that to you for the next five days you would take me to AN/I. GabeMc 23:03, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

It is certainly interesting to see my editing discussed here in this way but I don't have any idea who is the subject of "editor retention". I did not lie if "lie" is defined as intentionally providing false information. My own Google searches produced some results that led me to believe that two books about mugshots probably discussed this particular mugshot. It does appear on the cover of one of those books, but the other mentions Hendrix only in passing. I apologized to GabeMc because I was wrong in my initial assessment of those books. But I never, ever pushed for more coverage of Hendrix's drug use, but I won't accuse anyone else of lying about me since that almost always accomplishes nothing, and apologies have already been offered and accepted all around. Instead, I observed that in my opinion, it would be good to integrate the alcohol and violence content into the narrative of his life, along with the drug use and the Toronto incident, and also observed that I felt that content about his life belonged before the section about his death for simple chronological reasons. Just because I offered that observation to another editor, that doesn't mean that I agree with that editor's or another editor's subsequent additions to the biography. I am not a ringleader. My goal here, as always, has been to try to improve the encyclopedia, and I have repeatedly said that I would accept consensus about the fate of the image, even if it went against my own view of the matter. During this dispute, I have always tried to acknowledge the validity of and understand the concerns of those I disagreed with on the immediate matter. This has been a learning experience for me on image use policy, and I do think that it is an interesting "edge case" that brings up tough questions and good arguments on both sides. Whenever I have been challenged, I have tried my best to answer honestly, and when I realized that some of my points had been weak, I conceded that. So, I regret the errors I have made, but do continue to believe that the substance of my position in this dispute has been sound and based on a reasonable interpretation of policies and guidelines. I hope that it is OK with you, Binksternet, for me to try to explain myself here. Thank you. Cullen Let's discuss it 07:00, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Cullen328, as far as I am concerned me are fine; I know you were acting in good-faith. I am sorry that I used the wrong word above because misleading is much more accurate; you didn't lie because it wasn't intentional; you absolutely meant well for all. What I was trying to point out here is that Bink entered into the permanent record that I was bullying you, but you later gave me a barnstar and apologized, so I seriously doubt that you felt bullied. Its not right to label situations in such a way that the bullied isn't in on the supposed victimization. When you asked me to stop posting at your talk I stopped immediately and never edited it since. Editor retention? Well, this is just not worth it anymore and I am giving much more to the project than I am getting respect for. FTR, one of Binks best buddies is the biggest bully I've EVER seen on Misplaced Pages, and its not me. All I ask is that Binksternet leave me alone in that he stops intervening in content dispute and labels me. Take me to AN/I or stop smearing my name. I think that's perfectly within the spirit of Misplaced Pages, but what you are doing is pre-pubescent shaming like a child at school. GabeMc 00:44, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Advice going forward: Resist the urge to jump off the article talk page and take your discussions to a single user's talk page. That's what I'm talking about, Gabe. By doing so you make the argument personal, getting in that person's face. You do it a lot—it is not conducive to a collegial atmosphere. My respect for your editing ability has not flagged, not ever, but from the very beginning of you and me working on the same music articles, working on the same side of an argument, I have warned you about aggressive behavior. Now would be a good time to take an honest account of yourself. Binksternet (talk) 00:54, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

I will say this. Accusations of bullying and whatnot roll right off my unusually thick hide. I do call a spade a spade, with no qualms. But I want it made clear that I had no Idea of the FUR for this image, or this image. I am officially pissed off right now. Doc talk 08:06, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

The timeline of the Dubmill HOUNDING case

• GabeMc and Dubmill have both been editing for years, with Dubmill the more veteran of the two. Here is a chart of their interactions on the same few pages. The chart says Dubmill was there before GabeMc on all the articles except David Gilmour's bio. Nevertheless, Dubmill had been working at the Gilmour article for years.
• At Donovan, Death of Ian Tomlinson, User talk:Diannaa, User talk:Soxwon, and User talk:Favonian, GabeMc and Dubmill were miles apart in terms of time—too far apart to count for hounding—but Dubmill was there first.
• At the Keith Moon bio, Dubmill was there first, GabeMc followed 11 days later, then Dubmill followed with more changes 28 days later. This is not hounding.
• So now we come to the meat of it: three articles with quick sequences of editor interaction.
• At the David Gilmour article, GabeMc had been editing it since October 2010 and Dubmill since July 2011. On October 14, 2013, GabeMc reverted an IP editor and restored lower case "t" in "the Orb" used mid-list. A bit more than an hour later, Dubmill changed it to capital "T", saying in his edit summary that (he thought) this was proper following of the Manual of Style. Nine minutes later, GabeMc puts the lower case 't' back, saying that list case is the same as sentence case. Dubmill appears to accept this during a week in which GabeMc makes many changes (diff includes minor work by a few other editors) to the article without interference by Dubmill. On October 21 after seeing the article improved by a handful of changes by GabeMc, Dubmill made some innocuous improvements along the same lines. GabeMc continued with his series of changes. Dubmill corrected old, existing text not supported by reference, then made an innocuous improvement to old, existing text. This was followed an hour later by GabeMc touching up the exact same sentence that Dubmill had been working on. In a collegial atmosphere, this sort of interaction can be seen as teamwork, while in a combative atmosphere it can appear as WP:OWNership issues. So far, the interchange looks benign. GabeMc continues working through the next day. Dubmill joins in six hours later to make two edits. GabeMc continues to work on the article on October 22,, while Dubmill offered the odd, useful edit at 08:20, October 23.
• Meanwhile, at the Who article, Dubmill had been happily working at it since April 2009. Dubmill's most recent edit was October 1, 2013. GabeMc, after working fairly well with Dubmill on the Gilmour biography for two weeks, took a 16 hour break from editing, as we all do. Upon returning from his break he did not resume the Gilmour bio but instead chose to visit the Who article at 19:25, October 23, his very first visit, making six edits. About two hours later Dubmill corrected a flawed sentence which had been added by GabeMc in the second paragraph: "They subsequently earned achieved a number of further hit singles..." Dubmill could have removed earned or achieved to fix it, but he opted to reword it slightly to form the just-as-effective: "Several further hit singles followed...", accompanied by the edit summary, "Attempt at less awkward wording." Twelve minutes later GabeMc swoops in and changes the same sentence to read, "Several more hit singles followed...", then another tweak to the same text 5 minutes after that to yield, "A string of hit singles followed..." This action effectively says " don't touch my stuff, not even to fix glaring flaws." The possible collegial teamwork has gone to a challenge of WP:OWN.
• So here's where it gets a lot warmer: GabeMc next makes a couple of small edits to the Gilmour and Hendrix biographies, then he goes to Joseph Costa (aviator) to "improve prose". This is GabeMc's very first visit to that page, and it arrives just six hours after Dubmill's very first edit to the article. The Costa biography was not part of a noticeboard discussion, nor part of a WikiProject discussion (it doesn't even have a talk page), so I have no idea what brought either editor to the article to edit it one time each. Neither editor's changes were problematic, but the presence of GabeMc following Dubmill to two articles on the same day (October 23) indicates WP:HOUNDING.
• Next, it appears that GabeMc is okay with Dubmill's work at the Gilmour biography. After a couple of small improvement edits each, at 18:02, October 24, GabeMc reverts a third editor's work back to the Dubmill version. All is not okay though, because the next interaction is this accusation by GabeMc of HOUNDING by Dubmill, the exact opposite of what just happened. Sequences like this are what caused me to call GabeMc a bully. Binksternet (talk) 04:33, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Alternate version

• I noticed a lot of "he was there first" or "he's been editing Misplaced Pages longer", which is embarrassingly irrelevant, Bink. Nice cherry-pick, but your timeline is off, or missing key data. Here's an alternate version. GabeMc 16:04, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

• 21 October 2013: here Dubmill copyedited the exact passages I was editing just 17 minutes prior. GabeMc 16:04, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

• 22 October 2013: here in Dubmill's first edits of the day thay copyedit the exact passage I had edited just 6.5 hours earlier. GabeMc 16:04, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

• 23 October 2013: here in Dubmill's first edits of the day they correct my edit from 9 hours prior. Again, I appreciate that they fixed an error, but the closeness with which they followed my work is unsettling. GabeMc 16:04, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

• FTR, on 23 October, in addition to editing my work at David Gilmour, Dubmill tweaked my work at the Who 2.5 hours after I made the edit. So that's confronting my work at two different pages within hours on the same day. They said this was not intended to hound me, so I'll WP:AGF for now. GabeMc 16:04, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

• 24 October 2013: here in Dubmill's first edits of the day they corrected my work on a passage I edited just hours earlier. Yes, I missed the redundant word, so I appreciated the correction, but the way that they were doing it is giving me the impression that they are following my work with the intent to cause me distress. GabeMc 16:04, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

• Like I said, please take me to AN/I if you think that my behaviours are so innappropriate, but by acting like prosecutor, judge, and jury you are really operating your own personal "judgement counsel". I did not bully Dubmill; at worst I misinterpreted his actions. Don't you see that you shouldn't be interpreting the actions of an editor that you no longer AGF for? Anyway, as far as I knew Dubmill and I worked it out and never bothered each other again. I havn't edited Gilmour since November, and the incident occurred 4 months ago!!!. GabeMc 16:04, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I get that you don't think you are a bully. I think you are one, that this one example clearly shows it, and that this example is one among many. I also respect your ability to edit articles. More than that I think you are a very sharp guy. Your one problem I have warned you about for more than a year now is that you are too aggressive when making arguments. So since you refuse to see it, or you refuse to admit it with others watching the discussion, I will stop trying to convince you of the rectitude of my observation. Go forth and edit: ultimately it's the reader who will benefit. Binksternet (talk) 22:43, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

I think that your observations are most worthy of consideration, Binksternet, although I usually refrain from judgments so stark as "bully". That's just an aspect of my personality. GabeMc, I agree that you are a very useful contributor to this encyclopedia. But in recent weeks, I have noticed a tendency on your part to ascribe bad motives to editors with whom you are engaged in routine content disagreements. If I had a more sensitive personality, I would certainly have felt bullied by you. It got very stressful for me. There are a lot of very productive contributors who have more sensitive personalities. I know some who have been deeply hurt by interactions with aggressive personalities here, and have either stopped editing or greatly reduced their participation. The encyclopedia needs those contributors. So I encourage you to monitor and moderate your own behavior, and always consider the destructive impact that an aggressive response may have on a productive contributor. Cullen Let's discuss it 06:57, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Well, I'll take what you guys have said to heart. I don't want to bully anyone, but I get very passionate when I feel that people are treating me disrespectfully and/or misrepresenting facts. However, I need to be able to see how my actions might upset others, and be considerate about that; I get it and I'll work on it from here on out. Two wrongs don't make a right, so I'll try my best to take the high road. I will say that I have not once used profanity or name calling on Misplaced Pages, which I cannot say for many others. Also, to the best of my knowledge nobody has ever stood up for me when I was being bullied, especially by admins. I think that whole blow-up with Bwilkins altered my behavior a bit; nobody really held him accountable for his bulling of me, so it seemed like I was fair game and unprotected. Nonetheless, I'm sorry I was aggressive, Cullen328, but FTR you never actually said or implied that I was bothering you until right before the last time I edited your page. Had you asked me to stop sooner I would have, which is what I do when I think that people are being aggressive on my talk page, since there aren't any bully patrols protecting me. GabeMc 16:20, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Cinematic techniques and Sound

Hi there, I noticed that the Sound section of the Cinematic techniques article is a bit light-weight in comparison to the visual area. Equally, there don't seem to be many articles covering the topic of sound with regards to film-making. You seem to have knowledge (and interest) in that area, and maybe you could expand it a bit? Having article-stubs for the important topics of film-sound would be a great start, as I currently don't even know where to link to. I'm a bit lost there, and it isn't quite my area of expertise… Tony Mach (talk) 15:35, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Okay, let me give it some thought. Sound for film and sound for video are not part of my primary career, but I often read about the concepts and practices. Binksternet (talk) 15:42, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

By the way, there is an opportunity for you to write an article about the technique of zooming in film. Articles exist for Zoom lens and Digital zoom but there is no discussion of common analog zoom techniques and practices. Binksternet (talk) 15:47, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Having a starting point would already be good IMHO. Maybe simply first creating a "break-out" from the Cinematic techniques article? One can find articles on shots in general, on the Dutch angle and trunk shots, and what not – but virtually nothing on film sound as far as I can see… Doesn't have to be fancy nor perfect nor exhaustive – but at the moment there doesn't even seem to be much to link to from the cinematic techniques template.

And I'll have a look into Zooming! Tony Mach (talk) 15:52, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Done a first version: Zooming (filmmaking). And after doing the Cinematic techniques template I urgently need to do something else… :-) Tony Mach (talk) 17:00, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Rock on! The wiki is improved because of you. Binksternet (talk) 17:07, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Biting one's tongue

I was surprised to see you go after BlueSalix at the Live Wire AFD after you cautioned me against it. While I can't say I blame you, I do suggest you let it go. That user thrives on conflict, and I don't see anything positive coming from continued dialogue with him. Levdr1lp / talk 20:14, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Good advice! I'll take it... Binksternet (talk) 00:57, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

More Tyrone Hayes

After several hours spent on removing more bias from Tyrone Hayes, a comment claiming the article has poor timelining and no citations was added to Talk:Tyrone_Hayes. I'm not sure what their problem is, I know you went through the article and I just put two hours more into it yesterday. It seems significantly cited and with a valid timeline to me. Perhaps the commentator is another of the WP:COI types? Please let me know your thoughts? Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 00:07, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Lemme go there and look. Binksternet (talk) 00:57, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Nothing serious, but I'm not letting down my guard. The Hayes biography is on my watchlist and I will see all the changes made to it. Binksternet (talk) 01:31, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Please don't remove sourced material

If the English is poor,you can help improve it.And why is some material directly related to the subject unhelpful?Victorkkd (talk) 05:11, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

I cannot understand what is being said, so I cannot correct the English. Binksternet (talk) 06:17, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

It is simple.For the first part,Zhu Shiwei's recollection leads to the conclusion that not only Nanking Massacre didn't exist in his pupil textbook,but that speaking of it in public could cause unfavorable result so his teacher talked about it gingerly.For the second part,None of People's Daily's news,articles,from 1960 to 1982 mentioned Nanking massacre.That's it.Victorkkd (talk) 06:46, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

What about Hundred Regiment Offensive now.Just because the sources are in Chinese so they are not sources?Victorkkd (talk) 06:46, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Your sourcing is very poor quality. Not because it is in Chinese. Binksternet (talk) 11:46, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Now I want to know,if I will show you the picture of Mao Xinyu's birth article on 炎黄春秋 in my hand,and giving the same source,will you stop your stubborn claim that"it is a blog source"?---Victorkkd (talk) 01:46, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

A little more than that is needed to satisfy the WP:V requirement. You gave me the name of the magazine, but it is best to have the title of the magazine article, the name of the author, and the date of the publication. Can you find a link to the article in this search results page? If so, that would be even better. Binksternet (talk) 02:33, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

http://www.yhcqw.com/html/wqhg/2013/910/13910104255G6K0J927321H1C3271D2ECFG.html Here is the article but I don't see the need to give it so detailed even to the date.So I would do as much as adding the name of the author to the source.And by the way this is how some Chinese are writing on zh.wikipedia's Korean War.And if possible,I don't doubt they would add them to the English entry.And certainly many of the sources will never pass your standard of sourcing:

例如黄海道信川郡的屠杀。朝鲜指控这个郡里美军屠杀了三万五千余人并说美第八军司令向士兵号召“朝鲜人，哪怕是个幼儿，老人，你们的手也不要打战，杀呀！”。 North Korea accused US of massacring 35000 people in the county and said US Eighth Army Commander ordered"Don't tremble your hand even if he is an infant or oldman"

指控仅1950年7月，美军在韩国的13个市、道共屠杀了42008人。 There is accusation that in July 1950 alone.US army massacred 42008 civilians in South Korean soil.

朝鲜、中国、苏联等国政府多次谴责美军对朝鲜无辜平民的轰炸，称其为“违反国际法与人类道德常规的罪行”。NK and China and Russia and so on condemned US bombing of innocent civilians as war crime.

有美军将女战俘脱成半裸的照片留下。有原海军陆战队回忆了对战俘的屠杀 A photo of US soldier stripped female POW. Former US marine recalled they killed POWs.

环球网报道美国还把中国被俘人员当作动物一样进行解剖来医学试验。有人看到活体解剖而被美军挖去了双眼。。 According to Huanqiu net,US used Chinese POWs as guineas pigs.Someone was cut out his eyes by Americans because he saw living anatomy.

据遣返的战俘控诉，反共战俘挖出了张子龙的心脏以恐吓希望回国的战俘。虽然美国方面的宣传品极力否认此事，甚至将其反宣传为共产党的污蔑，然而反共战俘制（according to denouncement of repatriated POWs,anti-communist POWs cut out Zhang Zilong's heart to make an example,though US propoganda used every means to deny it and claim it is communist slander,it is still true that~~）

And Li Daan's cutting heart out of a Lin Xuepu is still there(I hadn't been able to find proof to disprove it before entry is locked)And I already cut off a lot of sensational and colorful words like"Li Daan grinned and licked off blood from the dagger"before it was locked last year.Just letting you know since your are interested in the subject too.--Victorkkd (talk) 03:06, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Look, man. You are a long-term edit warrior on Chinese Misplaced Pages, currently serving a one-month block which started on February 11, 2014. This fact does not help your credibility on English Misplaced Pages.

You supplied one URL as a source here, but it is a landing page for the magazine issue, a page to let the reader choose which article to read. The URL is not just one article. You must supply the exact URL of the article. As well, you need to know the author of the piece. The hard policy of WP:Verifiability is not going to change to accommodate your wishes.

You added the above text to the Chinese Misplaced Pages article about the battle, and yet you come to my page apparently claiming that "some Chinese" are writing their references like this. "Some Chinese" in this case apparently means you, a blocked Chinese editor.

Everything you have added is based on misrepresentation of the cited source, or based on a poor quality source. For instance, the following text that you wrote, :

环球网报道美国还把中国被俘人员当作动物一样进行解剖来医学试验。有人看到活体解剖而被美军挖去了双眼。

...is based on an internet discussion board, which is not considered a WP:Reliable source for English Misplaced Pages. You are wasting your time here with your non-neutral attempt to change the facts of the battle. Binksternet (talk) 04:16, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

I am sorry,but none of the source is blog source,it won't be just because you repeat "blog source"huanqiu.com is of course considered source for English wikipedia.You can seethis and this.The latter is worth mentioning because the referenced article is named"解放西藏史"（L LIBERATION OF TIBET）.And by all means this is not a discussion board,this is a public artice by all means just like the one of Dogan_Penjor_Rabgye entry. and it is never discussion board.Here is the words I cut,they includes "归来的中朝战俘控诉，美国为了做医学上的试验，还把中国被俘人员当作动物一样进行解剖。有些伤病的被俘人员，被美军抬去当作医学实验的小白鼠，挖出内脏做医学研究，或者把皮肤一块块剥下来留做试验，最后把剥得血淋淋的烂尸用草席卷起来丢掉。朝鲜人民军被俘人员"(you can go machinetranslate it to see what they mean),now you can see who added some words and who deleted some words unsigned comment added by Victorkkd (talk • contribs)

Article Hundred Regiments Offensive

I see this article has been changed many times. These changes and revert are always the same way. Now this article was changed a lot again. I see you involved that article. I want to ask whether you have reached a consensus for that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.33.228.161 (talk • contribs)

Hello Madison person. Regarding the new additions by blocked-in-China editor Victorkkd, I have not yet taken the time to examine them. I have a few other things on my plate at the moment. Binksternet (talk) 21:53, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

If you would like to challenge any material I add, go ahead and speak out.I have fixed the vandalism you did to suncheon(changing unknown back to unsourced number)Why do you hide behind IP?---Victorkkd 01:53, 21 February 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Victorkkd (talk • contribs)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	For your edit on Max Hastings. It brought tears to my eyes. Cheers! Hawkeye7 (talk) 08:11, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Tears of laughter, tears of pain... ;^)

Thanks, man. Binksternet (talk) 02:35, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Request advice

Hey, Bink. As you know, I've been working on Jimi Hendrix for some time now, and its going to be a TFA on March 4. Well, now there is an editor who appears to be some kind of troll wanting to degrade the prose of the lead. I don't want to be perceived as bulling anyone, so what should I do? Will you please watch-list Hendrix, and help me out with any needed reversions? GabeMc 17:23, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Hendrix is already on my watchlist, but I rarely look into the action I see there. If you are talking about these changes by Earl King Jr then I think there are good points where he removes some over-excited verbiage ("in the history of popular music"). Otherwise, his changes are not so controversial. The reader gets pretty much the same message as before. Binksternet (talk) 19:47, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

In this edit they introduced three variations of performing in three consecutive sentences. Also, do you really think that this edit is an improvement? I.e., "one of the most influential of electric guitarists", "He achieved fame in the US also and performed at", "became a number one album. Hendrix became the", "Jimi Hendrix died in 1970 accidentally". Do you really see these as improvements to an FA that will be a TFA in a couple of weeks? GabeMc 19:55, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

I don't see any talk page discussion about the wording. If you start a discussion, I will weigh in. In accordance with my previous advice to you, I recommend staying off of Earl's user talk page. Binksternet (talk) 20:02, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

RfC

I do not understand this edit summary at all - what do you mean the RfC was not "formally started"? StAnselm (talk) 19:59, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

It appears you never placed the {{rfc|bio}} template on the page. That means the Geller discussion did not get assigned an official RfC number, and it is not listed at Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/All. Does that clear up the issue? Binksternet (talk) 20:05, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Oh - I don't think you realise that the templates are removed by a bot after 30 days. I added the template here, and it was removed here. StAnselm (talk) 20:25, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Aha, that explains it. Thanks for the links. Binksternet (talk) 02:18, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Robert Palmer

Re your message about my "perpetuating a hoax about Robert Palmer"...first, it was a talk page. Secondly, the information about Robert Palmer's death on the Wiki page is completely false and has been proven so legally. I made NO edits on the Palmer page, I only posted factual information from the family on the TALK page. Don't threaten me again. Zabadu (talk) 20:11, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

You posted this and then this on the Palmer talk page. The material you posted is a hornet's nest of BLP violations, without any reliable source to back it up. Misplaced Pages's set of rules regarding what can be written about living persons is so strong that it extends to any page on Misplaced Pages including talk pages. Please read the policy at WP:Biographies of living persons and see for yourself.

Regarding the Geraldine Edwards stuff, there has already been quite enough of this hoax. As you can see at User talk:Mark Arsten/Archive the sixth#Geraldine Edwards hoax, a person who has contributed anonymously from San Diego, California, has fabricated fake newspaper stories to perpetuate the notion that Geraldine Edwards was the girlfriend of several rockers, and that Mary Ambrose was a bad person, or an unimportant person. I see your contribution to the Robert Palmer talk page as being an extension of this San Diego editor's falsehoods, especially since you show yourself to be local to the San Diego area in the above links. My recommendation is that you bring only WP:Reliable sources forward when discussing the issue. Don't shoot from the hip. Binksternet (talk) 04:12, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Isn't this a pretty serious policy violation?

I noticed that the last couple of days you've been reverting dozens of IPs under the assumption that they are a banned editor, but have any of these IP addys been confirmed as being that editor? Are you reverting them before they are confirmed as though you are a one-man judge and jury? Please explain why you think its appropriate to remove comments from talk pages because you suspect the IP to be that of a banned user. Also, it looks like you reverted them three times in six hours; here, here and here. I know, you think they are a banned user, but do you really think that you can revert any IP that you suspect before they are confirmed? You cannot indeff an IP; therefore even if you are right that the original user was indeffed these IPs are not permanently banned from editing Misplaced Pages. GabeMc 23:27, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

• Again, reverting talk page comments that do not appear to be disruptive in violation of WP:TPO. GabeMc 00:24, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

• This is concerning, because Binksternet appears to be reverting and labeling this account a sock of a banned user, but its not yet been determined if it actually is a sock of that user. Why don't you wait until the investigation concludes? You can't just declare accounts to be socks and revert them under WP:DENY when they are not confirmed, can you? GabeMc 00:38, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

• FTR, I'm not questioning the accuracy of Bink's accusations, but I think its highly inappropriate of him to label and revert an editor's talk page comments because he thinks they are a sock. This needs to be confirmed by a check-user before he starts mass reversions on the basis of socking. GabeMc 00:43, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

What do you want me to do about it? Binksternet (talk) 01:45, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

For starters you can stop pretending to be a "bully fighter", because you are as bad a bully as anybody I know, and secondly you can admit that you shouldn't revert talk page comments unless its in accordance with WP:TPO. GabeMc 01:55, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Banning_policy#Edits_by_and_on_behalf_of_banned_editors says to revert banned editors "without giving any further reason". That's the responsibility I've accepted on Misplaced Pages. I find that I am fairly good at spotting banned editors who violate their bans, so I have decided that I should help Misplaced Pages by keeping them out. What do you do when you see a contribution by a banned editor? Binksternet (talk) 02:10, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Whose the banned editor? GabeMc 02:14, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

It's HarveyCarter. Binksternet (talk) 02:16, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

You might be right, but do you see where I'm going with this? And anyway, even if they are HC, you can't unilaterally decide that an entire range should be blocked, can you? GabeMc 02:19, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

An "entire range" has in fact been blocked many times on Misplaced Pages, usually expiring after a certain time period. Personally, since I am not an admin, I would have to argue successfully at WP:AN for a range to be blocked. In this particular case I have seen edits by IPs within the range that were clearly not from HarveyCarter, so a rangeblock would have collateral damage. Instead, I determine case by case whether the IP editor has the style of HarveyCarter. Binksternet (talk) 02:31, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Right, I also know about that stuff, but in your contributions its clear that in the last couple of day you've reverted several IPs in that range and as far as I can tell, none of them have been confirmed as even being on the same continent as HC. Is that accurate, or am I confused about an important detail? GabeMc 02:36, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

HarveyCarter is always in the south-east of England, as are all of the 92.11.xx IPs. Binksternet (talk) 03:16, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Inappropriate use of rollback

Per WP:Rollback policy: "Rollback should only be used to revert vandalism and should never be used to revert good faith edits or in content disputes." However, in this edit you seem to be rolling back numerous uncontentious changes and several improvements that are obviously not vandalism. Can you please explain how this is not an abuse of rollbacker privs? GabeMc 23:41, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

• Another apparently inappropriate use of rollback during a content dispute. GabeMc 00:21, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

• Another, this seems to be a content issue and not vandalism. Please explain? GabeMc 00:29, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

• Another, this might not be a great series of edits, but is it vandalism? GabeMc 00:57, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

• It really looks to me that Bink has been using rollback in content disputes. Maybe I'm missing something here, but where is the consensus that the article will not contain any info about Cara guitars? GabeMc 01:01, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

• Again, unless I'm missing something here, Bink is using rollback at a broad swath of articles to control content. GabeMc 01:04, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

• Another. GabeMc 01:12, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

• This isn't vandalism. GabeMc 01:12, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

• I really hope that all of these have good explanations, because it looks like widespread rollback abuse from afar. GabeMc 01:34, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

First point is an important one, so pay attention: I don't have rollback. Got it?

Second point is that WP:Twinkle says "Anti-vandalism tools, such as Twinkle, Huggle, and rollback, should not be used to undo good-faith changes unless an appropriate edit summary is used." I make sure to use an appropriate edit summary. Binksternet (talk) 01:42, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

This has no edit summary. Neither does this or this. Neither does this one. GabeMc 01:45, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

• In which one of the above twinkle rollbacks did you use an edit summary? GabeMc 01:48, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

• The Pata reversion was a banned editor named Chowkatsun9. Per Misplaced Pages:Banning_policy#Edits_by_and_on_behalf_of_banned_editors, I reverted the banned editor "without giving any further reason". The Tonka thing was the continuation of a hoax, so it was vandalism. The Gene Simmons guy was simply trying to promote his stuff, so I should have used an edit summary. Binksternet (talk) 02:06, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

• Okay, I assumed that at least a few were justified. What happened at Richard Burton? GabeMc 02:10, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

• The Richard Burton guy using IP 92.11.xx is banned editor HarveyCarter, so I reverted him "without giving any further reason". Binksternet (talk) 02:15, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

• So, you've confirmed that all IPs in that range are HarveyCarter? GabeMc 02:16, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

• There are stylistic factors that come into play with the spotting of sockpuppets. HarveyCarter has a 'tell' to his work, but I will not violate WP:BEANS by saying what it is. When I was looking at various contributions by 92.11.xx IPs I saw some that were clearly not HarveyCarter because they were completely outside of his several areas of interest, or completely foreign to his style. Binksternet (talk) 02:22, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

• Yeah, I know about all that. What I meant was: how do you know that HC is editing from that IP range? Has a check-user confirmed that IP range is abusing Misplaced Pages, or are you "acting alone"? GabeMc 02:24, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

• If you wish me to stop me from fighting banned editors you'll need to find support for such a thing at WP:ANI. Binksternet (talk) 02:33, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

• Yeah, I suppose you're right about that, but remember that walls have eyes! GabeMc 02:37, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Which banned editor is this? Or this one? GabeMc 02:42, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

I'm done here on my talk page with your game of 20 Questions about my Twinkle reversions. If you still harbor serious concerns about the matter you can take it up at WP:ANI. Best wishes, Binksternet (talk) 03:16, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Ringo Starr FA

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I noticed that you include Ringo Starr as one of the 20 FAs that you "helped" get through FAC. I'm curious, what are you criteria for claiming this distinction? You provided a prose review at FAC, but you didn't support, and as far as I can tell you've never edited the article. FWIW, that's the same phrase that I use on my user page, that I "helped" get Ringo Starr to FA. Is that what you do, do you list every FA as having helped if you only commented at the FAC? Because I'm pretty sure that's not how its done; you only "helped" if you were a co-nom at FAC, but I could be wrong. GabeMc 00:00, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

(Talk page stalker) OK, I'm going to jump in here. GabeMc, I think you need to watch your step. I think your first two questions were pertinent ones that I think Binksternet needs to answer. But three criticisms is not a good look, especially since this last one is not policy-based. One more question and it's going to sound like harassment. StAnselm (talk) 00:11, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Wait now, you're already dropping the "H" word. He has thick skin and he's never handled me with kid gloves. I'm just curious, because it borders on fraud, IMO, to claim that you helped 20 articles get to FA. I hear you though, but its absolutely not harassment to hold someone accountable, and in fact using that term so loosely might violate WP:NLT, since it has legal connotations. GabeMc 00:15, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I am using the h-word. I have linked to Misplaced Pages:Harassment so that there is no doubt about the context in which I am using the word. The meaning and gravity of harassment does not depend on how thick the victim's skin is. StAnselm (talk) 00:23, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Right, and I didn't mean to imply that it did, but that can be used to protect people who really need to answer for inappropriate edits. Is there a limit on how many "H" word warnings you can give? Because at some point you are harassing me. GabeMc 00:26, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

GabeMc, you can take a hike with your hostile questions about my criteria for what I credit mysellf with on my own user page. For the record, I performed a very deep review of the article in question, as can be seen at Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Ringo Starr/archive1. When I do such a thorough review I reward myself with a partial credit, by way of the userbox which says "This user helped promote x featured articles on Misplaced Pages." Did I help? Yes. Binksternet (talk) 01:40, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

You've made zero edits to the article and you didn't even support its FAC promotion! Really? GabeMc 01:41, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

If I was a significant contributor then I would have used the following userbox:

This user has written or significantly contributed to x Featured articles on Misplaced Pages.

I was not a significant contributor but I performed a very deep analysis, one that took a lot of time and effort, which is why I used the following userbox instead:

This user helped promote x featured articles on Misplaced Pages.

So now I have explained myself quite enough. It's my userpage, my rules. Stick a fork in it—this thread is done. Binksternet (talk) 01:58, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Clapton talk page

Hi, in view of this, I think you might be interested in this, a revert of this, for which you thanked me a few days ago. Cheers - DVdm (talk) 15:01, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I've responded with some detail in the edit summary. Hopefully that supplies enough information for people to understand why, and so they do not restore the hoax material. Binksternet (talk) 15:13, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Trying to keep any discussion about this away from the article talk page as much as possible, I also left a little note at User talk:Bob Caldwell CSL#Clapton talk page. Cheers - DVdm (talk) 15:18, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Well, that's different. I restored the material because it was removed without explanation. If it's untrue, then it should be removed. I withdraw my objection. Bob Caldwell CSL (talk) 15:30, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

For more detail, check out the discussion I had with administrator Mark Arsten: User talk:Mark Arsten/Archive the sixth#Geraldine Edwards hoax. This stuff has been going on for too long, with absolutely no reliable sources to back it up. Binksternet (talk) 15:39, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

The Blitz

Hi Trekphiler and Binksternet. I'm sorry to bother you both but I see you have both had previous involvement of the WP:DENY variety with Talk:The Blitz at Talk:The Blitz#Reason for Blitz and Talk:The Blitz#This article is apparently written by British nationalists. I'm now looking at the new section Talk:The Blitz#Britain bombed Germany first and wondering if there are some similarities, or is it just another editor with similar interests? It doesn't have to be the same person, of course, and I would prefer to AGF, but I did wonder a little ... the discussion there isn't really getting productive and seems likely to plough the same furrow, though I don't want to upset anyone who is sincerely trying to improve the article. If either/both of you felt like having a look I would be most grateful; at the same time, if you don't wish to then no-one will die! Thanks and best wishes DBaK (talk) 14:33, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

This person is the same as MrFalala, who was indeffed by John. I think MrFalala was a sockpuppet of HarveyCarter, and of course I think the same about XavierKnightley. I will start an SPI. Binksternet (talk) 15:50, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much; I really appreciate your help. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 18:51, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

your edit warring at another user's Talk page

I am well aware of what P requested. I am also well aware that P cannot simply request that Misplaced Pages guidelines be ignored and expect that request to respected. You ought to be aware of that as well. While I endeavour to accommodate the wishes of others, this particular matter furthermore happens to be a new topic to which the request is not obviously or clearly equally applicable, and is properly addressed on the user's Talk page because it is too general to have any particular relevance to the article Talk page. It is also a case that is so clearly covered by policy that there would be no serious "discussion" should it occur in a forum that involved more editors. If you insist on deleting the statements of other editors, not just on your Talk page but on the Talk pages of others, then replace the statement with a notice of your own advising the recipient of the appropriate applicable policy. This is, by P's own admission, her third reversion. It accordingly must be discussed instead of just continuing to edit war. There is no particular need for me to address P. There is, however, a need from Misplaced Pages's perspective for either P and I to discuss the issue and/or for P to be notified as to why her reversions violate policy. If, with no small indulgence, we assume that another editor's Talk page is any any of your business in the first place, if your intervention is required it is required on this point. By the way, this is a request to ask you to stop edit warring. You demand total and unconditional respect for P's request yet have no respect for my requests. Do you see the inconsistency there?--Brian Dell (talk) 16:48, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Quit bullying her. Binksternet (talk) 16:53, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

The hell I am. She reverted me. A third time. I accordingly opened a discussion in the appropriate location. Like I said, replace my statement with your own if you like. What else is going to stop her edit warring? Or do you care about that at all? It appears that what you really care about is viewing Misplaced Pages as a war zone with P on your "team". May I again ask you to look at the substance of the issue here? Say something to P about that and there is no need at all for me to say anything to her.--Brian Dell (talk) 17:02, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Stay on the article talk page with your concerns, or take them to ANI. Binksternet (talk) 17:05, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Why do user Talk pages exist? Are you prepared to allow the possibility that some matters are most appropriately addressed on a user Talk page? I have already explained why the article talk page is not appropriate here: it is a waste of other editors' time to have them read my statement there. I have already invited you to take an action that would involve my staying off the user Talk page in question while still having communication that might reduce the edit warring and that's for you to address the substance of the edit warring, yet you have refused to do so, instead making it your business to gag me when trying to speak to a 3rd party about her edit warring. If you have nothing at all to say about the substance of the issue and only wish to attend to your particular beef with me as an individual, then you should be taking your concern to ANI. My primary concern is with Misplaced Pages, not disputing with you or P on an admin noticeboard, but since you insist and I've already said I would do so if necessary, fine, I'll raise the issue of your edit warring (which is more objectionable than P's) at the edit warring noticeboard.--Brian Dell (talk) 17:18, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

The only thing that is driving my actions here is that you were asked by Petrarchan47 on January 31 to stay off of her user talk page. She said:

We do have the right to ask people to leave their talk pages alone - and I am asking you this now. I will engage you on the talk page of articles IF you can keep your arguments concise and based in RS, not in OR or SYNTH. I am not into drama and will not engage with this type of energy... From here, with regard to gripes you have about my behaviour, do not make them in the edit summaries. (And I will not either.) Take concerns to a noticeboard, even an ANI, and yes, I will listen to what the community has to say.

You acknowledged that request on January 31. You then proceeded to ignore the request with this series of edits later the same day—an exceedingly disrespectful move on your part. I removed these comments 18 minutes later. On February 2 you posted again on her talk page, a hateful comment accusing her of falsehood and telling her you would not pay any attention to her response, and I removed that post as well.

Edit-warring your accusatory comments into her talk page shows that you do not respect her. Why do you think your posts on her talk page will improve the encyclopedia if their message and very presence demonstrate that you do not respect her? Feel free to follow her admonition and take your concerns to ANI. Beware of the boomerang, of course; a post to ANI always shines investigative light upon oneself. Binksternet (talk) 17:47, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

What is exceedingly disrespectful is denying someone else their free speech without any consideration at all of its content. I let P have the last word in that thread anyway (my reply remains deleted). P has just now reappeared to continue to edit war over the Tice bio and her edit summary suggests that she is completely oblivious to my referring her to the Misplaced Pages policy that quite clearly indicates that she is mistaken about a total ban on Youtube material. You can take a bow for perpetuating this totally unnecessary edit war by protecting her ignorance. How about allowing something else to "drive your actions" here, namely, the interests of the project?--Brian Dell (talk) 18:47, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

You don't have 100% free speech on Misplaced Pages. Instead, you have the various freedoms of speech that are allowed you by the system. In this case you are not allowed on Petra's talk page.

Regarding the content dispute which you keep bringing up, I have not looked into it and I don't have the interest right now, since other concerns are in front of me. In general, content disputes should remain on the article talk page. When you bring a content dispute to a single user's talk page, you are in danger of being confrontational and bullying. You also deny the other article editors a chance to comment. I always recommend that folks keep all the content issues on the article talk page. If you have a personal problem with Petrarchan47, take it to ANI. Binksternet (talk) 19:00, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

I am already quite aware that you have little interest in the substance of my editing, and that the "other concern" you have chosen to put in front of yourself is editing a user Talk page to delete my comments despite the absence of any invitation from that user for you to do so and without any respect for my request to mind your own business. I did not claim "100% free speech" here. Misplaced Pages is not my private website. What I objected to was gagging me without any consideration of the substance of what I said. I'd note you don't take your own advice here, since you appeared on my Talk page uninvited to make the (inaccurate) claim that Athan Theoharis is not "left-leaning", which is clearly giving your opinion on a content dispute. But I will grant that you do indeed frequently appear uninvited on user talk pages to go at users directly instead of discussing the "content" issues created by the user's editing. The wonder is that you somehow consider this LESS "confrontational and bullying" than if you focused on Misplaced Pages instead of Misplaced Pages's editors. You don't have to remind me that using article Talk pages may deny the other article editors a chance to comment since that's precisely my point: other editors should be involved when other editors have a potential interest. When there isn't a reasonable expectation of either their interest or involvement, their time shouldn't be wasted. When you, by your own admission, have no interest in the substance of what I have to say to Petrachan or, for that matter, the content issue what makes you think others are interested? This is not the first time Petrarchan has edit warred with me and trying to solve the problems means trying different approaches. You say I am not allowed to take a particular approach that you believe, possible erroneously (when did she say "never again, on any other topic, try to discuss with me here"?), that Petrarchan does not prefer. If Petrarchan does not prefer to discuss the content issue ANYWHERE should that be "respected"? What needs to be respected here is the project. May I add that there is a huge difference between Petrarchan removing my comments and you doing so. The difference is that if Petrarchan removes it, I can reasonably conclude that she's read it, so any argument for my putting it back is vastly weaker.--Brian Dell (talk) 20:01, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

I find it odd that you would like to discuss with me what happened to your comments on Petrarchan47's user talk page after you placed them there, rather than why you insisted on placing them there in contravention of her request.

Petrarchan47 "Thanked" me for this removal on January 31 and also for this removal on February 2. You can check for yourself by plowing through the logs at Special:Log/thanks. Did Petrarchan47 ask me directly to remove your comments? No, but my previous conversations with her led me to to the conclusion that she would greatly appreciate it. When closing your 3RRN thread with no action, Amatulic wrote that it was best you stay off of Petrarchan47's talk page. Amatulic also wrote that I should allow Petra to make her own removals. Of course, if you follow Amatulic's advice, no removals will be needed. Binksternet (talk) 20:51, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Your characterization of the thread as a 3RRN thread instead a thread about edit warring is revealing of your mentality. I am quite aware of the fact that you did not technically violate 3RR. The issue here is your vision of Misplaced Pages as some sort of battleground with two armies going to war with each other. You evidently think your highest calling is to do whatever you guess a "fellow soldier" would "greatly appreciate." We are, in fact, here to build an encyclopaedia, something you admit you are not interested in given your refusal to look at the substance of the dispute you jumped into here or, for that matter, the substance of what I had to say. You quote Petrarchan attaching conditions to her engagement on article Talk pages, conditions she vigorously enforces by refusing to address anything more detailed than she would like. I try another approach and you jump in to keep her ignorant of what I had to say. The bottom line here is that you THINK she asked you to keep her ignorant of anything I might happen to say to her that was direct to her and you think this request for no communication serves the project. You said over at the 3RRN that "I have not stopped you from discussing issues with Petrarchan47" but that is quite obviously not true when you called for a total "interaction ban". I don't doubt that this would suit Petrarchan given that she is not inclined to answer my questions on article Talk pages anyway.--Brian Dell (talk) 21:18, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Who are you quoting with that bit about "fellow soldier"? I didn't say it. It's laughable to me—the idea that I'm not here to build Misplaced Pages.

Regarding an IBAN, it would take some time for it to be proposed, discussed and implemented, if the community thinks it is appropriate. The process has not even started, which is why I said I have not tried to stop you. If and until an IBAN is enacted, I will not try to stop you from discussing article content issues with Petra and any others on the relevant article talk pages. Binksternet (talk) 21:41, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

BDell555 is 'not' discussing the edit war on the Tice talk page. Over and over mistruths spew out and it is getting tiring. If he is going to continue to edit pages I work on (pages of whistleblowers for whom he has repeatedly expressed contempt, even placing "conspiracy theorist" tags on their articles), then I am going to need an intermediary to deal with him. I also need help at the Snowden page where both BDell555 and Dr F are focussing all of their energy right now. Is there such a thing as a babysitter for editors or specific pages? petrarchan47tc 21:54, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

The last four edits to the Tice talk page are by me. If I make that five you're suddenly going to reappear? More important than an arbitrary edit count is all the answered questions I have posed on various article Talk pages. If you are seriously interested in a discussion you could respond to what I said on your Talk page by bringing it back and responding to it or moving somewhere else if you want it somewhere else.--Brian Dell (talk) 22:14, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) appreciate very much, Binksternet, that you have supported me in this way. Contrary to the advice of the closer, I would appreciate you to continue on as you have. I don't want to read or be forced to see hostile attacks from anyone, and because of what you did, I didn't have to see them all. I absolutely cannot and will not tolerate the hate coming from BDell555, and am wondering why anyone has to. petrarchan47tc 21:45, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification of your position with regard to talk page removals. Binksternet (talk) 21:51, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

What's "laughable" is construing what I said as "hate" speech. Since when does quoting policy and linking to websites constitute "hate"? This is an excuse to avoid substantive engagement. I don't deny that you've made additions to Misplaced Pages, Binksternet, what's at issue is the fact you remove others' work without even bothering to look at it, as this edit summary reveals given the fact the edit summary bears no relation at all to the content. I'm on the "wrong" team in your view - too "right wing" given the Fox vs Guardian contrast you draw? - (I'm using scare quotes here, not quoting you) therefore you revert me. If you have another explanation for that reversion please give it here. What I am asking you to do here is take a look past the uniform you imagine the editor to be wearing and consider what the editor is doing.--Brian Dell (talk) 22:08, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

I see you have evidently decided to reject this advice, since you decided to complain to me about detailing the assassination threats when it was in fact your "fellow solder" (again, these are scare quotes, meaning that I take your apparent presumption that Petrarchan ought to be deemed your comrade in arms with a large grain of salt) who has been wanting more detail there, including the "bullet in the head" part (the only reason she took that phrase out is because, like you, she often edit wars with me by just blindly reverting; i.e. not looking at the content of my edits in detail to see if parts of them give what she has asked for) and I was the one objecting to all the detail.--Brian Dell (talk) 18:38, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

The article talk page is the place for this content discussion. Binksternet (talk) 18:51, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Misplaced Pages's policy on edit warring. Thank you.

Correction on WP:Fringe

Binksternet, another user has written an extensive post illustrating your misunderstanding of WP:Fringe policy as it relates to the LvMI. I suggest you (someone who admits to knowing nothing about the subject, yet simultaneously is somehow certain of his conclusions about it) read it. User:Srich32977 could also benefit from it. Steeletrap (talk) 18:02, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Notice

I've closed the merge discussion at Katyn massacre. Cheers!-- — Keithbob • Talk • 19:26, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Just fooling around, you know...

it's late... gotta keep entertained somehow...— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 06:05, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

I'll hoist a pint in your honor. Binksternet (talk) 06:27, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Deletion discussion invitation

Just a neutral notice that the Russell Hantz article is on the chopping block again. U got any thoughts on it? Survivorfan1995 (talk) 20:26, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Your user page & what to do with the Opposition to United States involvement in the Vietnam War article

The audio board in your user page image is impressive. Most of my audio work was with battery powered, 3 or 4 input / 1 or 2 output mixers weighing about a pound! My favorite headphone was the Beyerdynamic DT-48. My current pair is so old (20 years) that the cables from the Y to the transducers have cracked broken. I've decided to sacrifice an inexpensive Sony headset for cables as Beyer wants near $80 for just the part above the Y.

Maybe we can swap highs and lows of audio sometime. Like, oh, say, accidently hitting a VP in the knee with a Sennheiser MKH 416.

Thanks for the Opposition to United States involvement in the Vietnam War title suggestion. I've been actively editing Misplaced Pages less than a year, with no contributions longer than a sentence or two (I spend way to much time watching the flow and structure). Can you give me some advice on how to proceed? I am willing to learn, and try to read what I type at least three times before hitting the 'Save page' button. (In a way, I guess, Misplaced Pages has some similarities my work: no re-do's and never throw anything away.) - Neonorange (talk) 04:12, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Heh heh... the "impressive" mixer in my photo is one that I love to hate. It is overly complicated and absolutely counterintuitive. If I could give its designers a piece of my mind... When I get my choice for a digital mixer it is a Yamaha or an Avid (formerly known as Digidesign). The photo shows me operating a mixer that was specified by someone else.

Sounds like your usual mixer is the classic Shure M268 or its later cousins. I have done precious little sound recording work outdoors but that little bit flowed through a Shure running on nine-volt batteries.

Regarding the topic of opposition to the Vietnam War, I just want to point out that I am hardly involved with articles about the Vietnam War, as compared to articles about lots of other topics. I started the articles Draft-card burning and Gary Rader (a famous draft card burner), and I've worked on the Silent majority, Swiftboating and Scientific Wild-Ass Guess articles, each of which has a strong Vietnam War component, but there are other editors that do a lot more Vietnam era research.

In order to learn how to edit, you should just go ahead and edit! If you make mistakes you will ideally take the experience as a lesson.

I see people here take two basic approaches to editing: one is the careful check-everything-twice version, and the other is much more staccato—a quick series of changes geared toward getting some data into the encyclopedia before the browser crashes or the internet line goes down. Either way works, as long as you quickly correct any problems you create.

An aside: I highly recommend the book Chickenhawk by a helicopter pilot who fought in the Air Cav. I think the book is an amazing revelation of war emotions.

Enjoy yourself here! Binksternet (talk) 04:52, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Hoppe on MR's "fringe existence" in academia

When Hoppe says that Rothbard led a "fringe existence" in academia, how do you react to this? Do you think Hoppe is lying, or that his longtime Butt School/Mises Institute college was misinformed about Rothbard's reception in academia? Please note that "fringe" for purposes of WP is defined broadly as any view that "depart significantly" from the mainstream. Steeletrap (talk) 06:03, 21 February 2014 (UTC)