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Hello,

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Election. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Election/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Election/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, --Tony Sidaway 02:09, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Gone live!

I just copied the newly developed version of the natural selection page to the main space after it was clear that most editors supported the new version over the current version. Kim van der Linde 20:51, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

VandalProof 1.2 Now Available

After a lenghty, but much-needed Wikibreak, I'm happy to announce that version 1.2 of VandalProof is now available for download! Beyond fixing some of the most obnoxious bugs, like the persistent crash on start-up that many have experienced, version 1.2 also offers a wide variety of new features, including a stub-sorter, a global user whitelist and blacklist, navigational controls, and greater customization. You can find a full list of the new features here. While I believe this release to be a significant improvement over the last, it's nonetheless nowhere near the end of the line for VandalProof. Thanks to Rob Church, I now have an account on test.wikipedia.org with SysOp rights and have already been hard at work incorporating administrative tools into VandalProof, which I plan to make available in the near future. An example of one such SysOp tool that I'm working on incorporating is my simple history merge tool, which simplifies the process of performing history merges from one article into another. Anyway, if you haven't already, I'd encourage you to download and install version 1.2 and take it out for a test-drive. As always, your suggestions for improvement are always appreciated, and I hope that you will find this new version useful. Happy editing! --AmiDaniel (talk) 02:29, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

when you are back from break

Hey, I did not mention you by name, but if you have the time could you check this out: I removed a section that was called something like "arguments in favor of ancestry" for reasons I spell out in this comment and a previous one. But, I fear that in the process I may have deleted some valuable content. But I would rather you decide what if any should be reincorporated into the article. In the linked section, I state my main concerns which I assume you share; they may require some rewriting ... Thanks, Slrubenstein | Talk 14:21, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for the congrats on my talk page. University seems hard and intimidating, but I'll try my best. Oran e (t) (c) (e) 15:41, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Licensing

Thanks for your message. Yes, all of my pictures are CC-NC, but if one is useful I will certainly change the license. As far as the bird... I don't think I heard from your friend, but I certainly did identify the bird with some help from some local folks - it was a Gray Saltator, or 'Pitch Oil'. Also have found some cocoa thrushes... :-)

Oh, you may find this amusing: Taran Rampersad --TaranRampersad 23:24, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

your message

hello Guettarda. thank you for message. Your edits were not reverted because they were vandalism. However you changed the format for country introductions, which should be uniform. For more information, you can click here . with kind regards Gryffindor 10:42, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

have a great trip

... I hope the Smokey's aren't too chilly, Slrubenstein | Talk 12:49, 29 May 2006 (UTC) Sorry I misunderstood. I am simultaneously going through all the recent comments re: Sangil at the meditation cabal site and my head is spinning. I'm glad you had fun. OBviously, I need a vacation! Slrubenstein | Talk 12:59, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

natural selection

Could you please address this:  ?

sorry, it is me again

Can you comment here? http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Cultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus#recent_changes I am concerned that User:CrazyInSane and User:Codex Sinaiticus will not give up easily - and will not allow for any compromise whatsoever. Slrubenstein | Talk 13:56, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Akee or Ackee

Hi Guettarda - could you take a look in on Talk:Akee please. I just reverted a cut-n-paste move to Ackee, but don't know whether the article should perhaps be moved, or the rest of the spelling changes reverted. - thanks, MPF 15:08, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Cultural Background of Jesus

Hi Guettarda, I find your last comments on the talk page to make an interesting point but felt that this would be more appropriate to post on your talk page rather than the article talk. I don't understand why Jewish is considered a culture as opposed to a religion in regard to Jesus. You say Jewish society, but why not Hebrew society? From my understanding, which is limited regarding this period, Jesus was not an amicable figure to Jewish society and somewhat of a rebel so does that really make Jewish culture applicable to him or would Hebrew culture be a more correct term? Also, do you think that there's a definitive difference between Jewish and Hebrew culture?--Strothra 15:26, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually I don't see much of a difference, but I'm no expert on the topic. I also don't know enough to have a preference with regards to the two terms. I don't see the difference with respect to Jesus - the way he was looked upon by contemporary or modern Jewish society really shouldn't have any bearing as to what to call him, especially in the context of Misplaced Pages. There has been debate on the difference between usage of the two words in the past, but I don't remember the nuances. You should really talk to Slrubenstein about it - I'm sure you'll get a thoughtful answer from him. Guettarda 15:42, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Natural selection

I have foolishly tried to start a discussion on Talk:Natural selection concerning the definition of natural selection. If you have time, I'd like you to contribute -- or to tell me I'm a complete whack-o. Thanks. Ted 17:53, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Hush

This might not be the best moment in time to be picking fights with people. We need to stay calm and collected. Falling out amongst ourselves is probably the last thing we want to do. Kim Bruning 14:48, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

:-) Kim Bruning 15:16, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Peace is good

Thanks for writing. I apologize if I misinterpreted. Elizmr 16:51, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. Take care, Elizmr 16:56, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

i apologise too

accept my apologies for being contentious. from reading about you, i can see we both have a lot to offer on this subject matter. ill try to make a fresh start and perhaps together we can improve this subject matter under discussion at slash and burn and shifting cultivation. besides if you like cats, you clearly have very strong character :) Covalent 18:06, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

...again...

As someone who has recently edited this article, would you care to comment on: and Thanks, Slrubenstein | Talk 16:10, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Case study

Thanks for the barnstar. I'm sure there have been better analyses, but I'm glad that my presentation was clear. Cheers, -Will Beback 21:55, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

MfD

Thanks for the note. I must say, the number of different ways things can be deleted at Misplaced Pages is downright annoying! I added the subpage to the MfD mainpage, but I'm not going to go through what seems to be the pointless migrating of the template on the page itself or the delisting from AfD. What is the point of separate lists for deleting stuff? --ScienceApologist 01:10, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

Thank you for the trust that you had in me when you supported my Request for Adminship. The nomination ended successfully and I am actually overwhelmed by the support that I received. Thanks again! -- Kim van der Linde 06:50, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Maps on speedy deletion in Commons

Can you please specify correct substitutes for the maps you uploaded and labeled with speedy delete because of an error? That way we Commons admins can see that there is something better available. Otherwise we lack important information to execute your speedy deletion request. Arnomane 21:33, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

again, a favor

I set out my own views concerning the future of the Cultural and Historical Background of Jesus article, but I think John Kenney and FT2 represent most clearly two opposing approaches to the article. Do you agree with John, FT2, or see a third possibility? I think we need to sketch out basic options and then try to get a consensus. You should register your view here . Slrubenstein | Talk 12:58, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Greetings & a question re: Encyclopedist

Hey.  :) How are you? And who's the humongous (and very cute) kitty? (I'm assuming he/she is yours.) I know you must've read/heard about the 34-lb. Chinese feline, and this one looks to be almost that. (What do you feed him, anyway? Chihuahuas? :p)

Anyway, I came across D'Juan Bracey's page and note that his account has been shut down. Something about vandalism. When did all this happen? I never knew a thing about it. Can you guide me to relevant links? Thanks much. deeceevoice 14:55, 4 June 2006 (UTC) deeceevoice 14:55, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I certainly hope it is not chihuahuas. KillerChihuahua 16:55, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Lol - well, maybe not killer Chihuahuas! As cute as he/she is, I don't think User:Kitty is exactly in fighting form. He/Shes's a little, er, um (trying hard not to offend Kitty's vanity) ah ... plump. deeceevoice 19:54, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Don't know - gotta ask User:Kitty. Guettarda 18:29, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Ah, yes. Where to put the litter box. Such strategic decisions can be difficult, depending on the size and layout of one's pad. They're usually hella ugly, and even the most fastidiously maintained boxes can be ... less than pleasant. I don't know if space or layout or both are problems for you, but I hunted up a few links that might help in the aesthetics department.

• A Washington Post article gave it a big thumbs up, but personally, I think it's kinda weird, like sticking a plant on top suddenly transforms it into a thing of beauty? I don't get it.
• I like this one.
• Really ugly -- what black folks would call "ooo-ooo'-glee" -- but it's supposed to work well
• Pricey, and I somehow can't see using a litter box as a phone table! You'd need some serious no-smell-'em cat litter -- or a deviated septum
• Same company, other options.
• Another.
• Not a litter box, but how cute is this "Cozy Cat"?

You've probably considered these or similar options already, but you sounded so pitiful/forlorn in your catlessness, I thought I'd offer a few suggestions. deeceevoice 19:54, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Almost forgot. Thanks for the links re Encyclopedist. Will read up when I have a little more time. Too bad about him -- that he seems to want to keep contributing, but now cannot. JCarricker's a real loss, too. I liked both of them enormously and thought they both had/have a lot to offer, though I couldn't/wouldn't ever in good conscience ever try to convince anyone to stay/return. (This place can really suck.) deeceevoice 20:01, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi Guettarda

Just a little joke. Unless, of course, you believe what they say on that shows that Slim Virgin is really Joe Vialls. But hey, who would believe what they say? LOL 203.122.192.86 14:58, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Rather not go to WR. But pretty good work for a dead guy. Guettarda 15:05, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Knighthoods

This is getting tedious. If you don't agree then I don't understand why you won't raise the issue on Misplaced Pages talk:Manual of Style (biographies), which is the correct place for such discussions. Most instances of "Sir" and "Dame" have been bolded. It is you that is in the minority and you who wants to change something that has been on the MoS for some time with no objections. Bring it up or stop edit warring. -- Necrothesp 15:51, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Since you're obviously unwilling to, I have now raised this on Misplaced Pages talk:Manual of Style (biographies) myself. You will note that it has already been discussed anyway, without a great deal of objection. -- Necrothesp 16:03, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm. Two editors trying to POV-push on an article constitute a majority, while two editors trying to remove the POV constitute a minority? Quit making false accusations, and while you're at it, try not to break the 3RR in future in your obsession to POV-push. Guettarda 22:14, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I admit I accidentally broke the 3RR - I simply did not notice that I had reverted yesterday. However, before you get on your high horse you might try reading Misplaced Pages talk:Manual of Style (biographies), where you will see that the issue of bolding has already been discussed and nobody appeared to object. Therefore, Proteus and I are actually the ones following policy, not you. It's fascinating that you think that your own POV pushing (because, my friend, that's exactly what it is) is "trying to remove the POV". Take this discussion to the MoS page where it belongs. The fact that you apparently won't suggests to me that you don't think much of the opinions of other editors and would prefer to make policy on your own, no matter what others think. This is against the spirit of Misplaced Pages. -- Necrothesp 22:54, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and what's the "shit" I'm supposed to have "made up"? May I suggest that you should attempt to be civil in future and not make accusations of bad faith? Particularly as you're apparently supposed to be an administrator. -- Necrothesp 23:05, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Wow, you're quite something. You violate multiple policies, apparently at will. You lie about my actions. You violate WP:OWN by telling me I need your permission to edit an article. You are highly rude and incivil. And then you have the nerve to tell me to AGF and be civil. All this so that you can POV push. Guettarda 12:46, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

You really are amazing, I'll give you that. Accusing me of lying with absolutely no basis in fact. Accusing me of violating multiple policies, with no basis in fact (I freely admitted to breaching the 3RR accidentally). Accusing me of claiming ownership of articles, with no basis in fact (when did I tell you that you needed my permission to edit an article? Never, is the answer. And since I didn't write the articles in question it's a bit of a strange assertion that I would claim ownership over them.). Accusing me of rudeness and incivility, with no basis in fact. Accusing me of POV pushing, with no basis in fact. In fact, nothing you say seems to have any basis in fact. I've already suggested you take your opposition to the bolding to a public forum, but you have not done so, presumably because you have seen that opinion is in favour of me and not you. I have even brought it up there myself, but you have seen fit not to contribute to the debate, which hardly suggests that I am the one who is POV pushing. Don't worry, I have no intention of debating further with somebody who seems to be such a thoroughly unpleasant fantasist. Goodbye. -- Necrothesp 14:14, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Whatever. If you insist on having the last word, do so. I stand by everything I said, and I provided support for everything I said. Guettarda 14:25, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Pending issues with Daily Kos

Should the entire "Armando" section be left out of the page? I mistook it for vandalism when I saw the controversy section was gone, but surely having a section about the fact that the guy is involved with the site doesn't hurt if we stick to what one can tell from reading the site. I've never heard of it before so I'm not sure what all the issue is about BTW but looking into it. Moulder 03:16, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, this guy Armando has been posting on the site under that name, but has tried to keep his real identity private. Now, somebody found out his real identity and is trying to use Misplaced Pages to publish it. Something about it doesn't sound right to me, even if it just his name and job. Anyway, it's something that should be decided higher up. In the meantime, I think it's correct for us to leave it out. Maximusveritas 03:23, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I think it would be prudent to just leave off all references of Armando until the foundation has had a chance to weigh in this. It's turning into a "pie fight." Guettarda, as admin can you put a "freeze" on this sight until the foundation can look at it?

Good luck

I'll be watching. The match is on here at 12 noon eastern daylight time. Not sure if it is live. I'm not looking at the scores in case the game has already been played. My son is traveling through Europe with two friends this summer. They got their passports too late to buy World Cup tickets, but they are going to Germany this week during the time of the USA game. Cheers, --FloNight 12:50, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Good, I like watching games live instead of recorded. It is a pain to avoid web, TV, radio to keep from knowing the winner/score. FloNight 15:04, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Fantastic game! Hislop was amazing. FloNight 18:00, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Wow! Fantastic result for Trinidad and Tobago. Congratulations. Hope you will celebrate it. :) - Darwinek 18:02, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

In your group I am a fan of T.and.T and Paraguay. So I think your draw with Sweden is perfect occasion for Paraguay to get the 16-stage. - Darwinek 18:14, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

It can be. English lads showed today very average performance. It is only a matter of time when someone will beat them. Also your coach is much better ;). - Darwinek 18:27, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

All we have to do now is draw England and beat Paraguay, and we advance to the next stage! Ok, maybe too much optimism is seeping through! --Deville (Talk) 12:50, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I am hopeful. Apparently we gave England enough of a scare that they are talking about bringing Rooney back early. After their play against Paraguay I think a draw against England is possible. Guettarda 13:32, 12 June 2006 (UTC) - copied from my talk page

Agreed. If T&T plays the kind of defensive football they played on Saturday, and has some more of that Trini luck, it would not be shocking to hold England to one or zero goals, and this is all we need. And if they play at this level again they will beat Paraguay. Five points would have us progress for sure. Even losing to England, and a win against Paraguay gives a chance of progressing. But we're getting too far ahead of ourselves  :)--Deville (Talk) 13:42, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

One also mentions that I have heard a remarkable amount of Soca-Warrior-themed music in the last 48 hours. --Deville (Talk) 13:46, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Peppered Moth Evolution

Now come see. I was in the middle of fixing it up. I have sources, citations and left a message in the talk. Please give your cat as many kisses as he/she requires.

MSTCrow 07:19, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for welcome

Hi there, great game! What kind of problems did you have that made you write this section about trolls on your page? Socafan 11:43, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

What a pity, they were so strong until the end.

As you were nice to me already once I would like to ask for advice. Some admin had blocked me, claiming I was a sockpuppet of a user I had never even heard of. He did not present any evidence. I looked it up at the checkuser page, there was none either. I looked up what the users I was accused of being identical with had edited, and there were not even similarities in the articles they focussed on with mine. I requested to be unblocked, but the blocking admin did not answer, and others told me I should email him. I could not because I already get enough spam and do not want to provide an email address. So I asked another admin, Theresa Knott, and she was very kind and replied fast and asked Jayjg who had blocked me. All he replied was this, showing he actually had no evidence supporting his claim. Am I over sensitive if I find this offensive? My impression is that he blocked me in order to censor my support of another user who had been blocked without any basis. Socafan 13:28, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I suggested some changes to the policies and asked to enforce those we already have: Socafan 18:24, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I will be carefull

Thanks, it will be a new experience! The previous ones of the past two years always skirted along us...-- Kim van der Linde 17:49, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

T&T regional corporation pix

Hi, I noticed you made the pictures for the regional corporations for T&T, nice work there. I found what may be a problem with some of them, although the problem may be on my end. For example, they are linked on List of cities and towns in Trinidad and Tobago as 200 pixel thumbs. I find that on my browser, some of these pictures don't show up, specifically Penal-Debe, Rio Claro-Mayaro, and San Juan-Lavantille. Through experimentation, I find that if they are resized to 300 pixels then they show up fine on the page. Is this something going on with my browser, or are you having the same behaviour? This is particularly strange, I've never seen this happen on Misplaced Pages. -- Deville (Talk) 20:56, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Name

As it's in people passports and legal documents it certainly is part of the name Alci12 13:35, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

NPOV is non-negotioable. It's a violation of NPOV to assert that one country's system of honours is more legimitate than that of others. Guettarda 13:39, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

The MoS continues to disagree with you and always has. You are the person pushing a POV. As the link clearly shows 'Sir' is part of his name - in the box so marked on a legal marriage certificate. It's wiki policy to bold the name. NPOV is simply not what ever you wish it to be. Refusing to give someone their legal name because of your politics is POV Alci12 13:46, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Please do not engage in name calling and insults. See WP:CIVIL. The MoS does not and cannot trump policy. I suggest that you familarise yourself with the difference between guideline and policy. I am simply trying to keep an article in compliance with NPOV. Over the last few days there has been what appears to be a concerted attempt to POV-push on the article by you and your friends. Please desist. NPOV is non-negotable - it's the one policy which is non-negotiable. Yes, NPOV is a POV, but it happens to be the POV from which this encyclopaedia is written. There isn't anything you or I can do to change that.

In addition, please explain how my politics come into this. To what politics of mine do you refer? NPOV is the only position I have advanced here. You look really silly when you make wild, unfounded accusations. I don't know why you choose to POV-push and disregard policy, but it looks to me like you are projecting. As for the link you provided - what does this have to do with Abercromby? I have no idea how it applies to your argument. If you feel that way, maybe you should move Elton John to Sir Elton John. Otherwise you are being inconsistent. If you feel that way, why is the article at Ralph Abercromby and not Sir Ralph Abercromby?

A knighthood is an honour that is specific to a single country and its current system of government. It would cease to exist if the UK became a republic. Misplaced Pages does not, should not, and cannot endorse (or dis-endorse) any single country's system of government. If you really can't put your POV aside for a minute and see that, maybe you should find other articles to edit.Guettarda 14:19, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

With all due respect, I and I think a number of others would disagree with your statement that yours is the neutral point of view. To observe that the UK has been and is ruled by a constitutional monarchy with an honors system is simply to describe a fact, and hardly constitutes an endorsement that such a form of government should ever continue. By extension of your argument, we should be constrained to refer to the various Kings of France simply as "— Capet," since to number them would imply endorsement of their government as Kings. This seems absurd. Moreover, I should add that Ralph Abercromby is where it is for the same reason "James Rockingham Handley-Page Metcalfe" would appear at "James Metcalfe," barring the need for disambiguation. In fact, we occasionally do use "Sir X Y" to disambiguate from "X Y" when one has been knighted and the other not. Anyway, if you're set on presenting this idea of non-endorsement of individual governments as NPOV, I strongly suggest that you raise it in a broader forum than the article talk page, as I suspect others are also likely to disagree on the neutrality of your view. Choess 15:19, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

NPOV is non-negotiable. Not my rule. Why should UK knighthoods be treated different from every other country? Guettarda 16:23, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmm there was no name calling. All I can see is you attempting to control an argument by making false claims and telling anyone who challenges your view to leave wiki. "NPOV is non-negotiable. Not my rule." NPOV trumps everything but wiki didn't appoint you to ajudicate for the rest of wiki as to what NPOV is. As to you statements, knighthood exists in many countries. NPOV is neither sympathetic nor in opposition to its subject. If it exists it exists and we report it. So knighthood exists and it is part of the name (in some countries) so we report it as part of the name (in those countries). That is NPOV. Removing it takes a POV that it should be removed rather than simply reporting the situation as it is. And yes if other countries have a form of knighhood that is part of the name of the person in the law of that country then I have no problem whatsoever including it. That's treating each country equally and not making a judgement Alci12 16:50, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I strongly agree that we should treat similar usages the same, e.g., "Don" in Spain, which we don't seem to treat consistently right now. The French usage seems a bit different: "Sieur" comes with a territorial reference, like a baronetcy, and is after the name. (On the other hand, there are Sir this-and-thats in the English translation of Froissart.) I don't think a prefix of knighthood was in general use in Germany: the Grand Masters of the Teutonic Order are simply "Konrad von Jungingen", etc., for instance. Choess 19:46, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

WP:AN/I

Having read Strothra's AN/I post, I thought I'd offer my thoughts to each of you (I'm appending this to each of your talk pages). I don't have any information or opinion, I should say, apropos of the wikistalking, about which you'll need to consult others. With respect to the article tagging, though, herewith are my two cents.

I think Guettarda's reverts reflect a general consensus toward the proposition that {{fact}} in specific and {{verify}} in general ought only to be used where there is some question as to factual accuracy raised by editors (were {{fact}} to be applied to every substantial, uncited fact in every article, the citation needed superscript would, I imagine, overwhelm article text). Notwithstanding that, Strothra's tagging appears relevant to the ongoing AfD; in order that notability should be established, minimal sourcing is usually necessary. I think, then, that each editor is correct here, but that you're simply discussing different scenarios. Guettarda apprehends, accurately, that oftentimes editors will add copious {{fact}} tags to articles with the subjects or principal editors of which they disagree, disrupting the project to prove a point, whilst Strothra applies the tags so that information important to the AfD might be borne out. Strothra is correct that a literal reading of WP:V might require that every sentence in an article be sourced (or at least be verifiable passim in a work given in the "References" section), but I'm not certain that it will ever be practical for us to achieve complete sourcing for every statement in every article; in the absence of some meta-rule, tagging exorbitantly for less-than-encyclopedic purposes is bad, whilst tagging either because of legitimate factual disputes or because an article that asserts notability doesn't provide any citations toward the proposition of notability is alright. Each of you seems to be acting in good faith, and it appears that each of you assumed good faith for a while here; perhaps a reassumption is in order. Just my humble opinion, of course....Joe 06:00, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

(Of course, I'm inclined to think Guettarda to be correct with respect to anything in view of his ostensible love of tuxedo cats , with one of which/whom I live. OTOH, T+T cost be a good bit by drawing Sweden. So he should be punished for that, I think...) Joe 06:02, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Jesse Dirkhising

I welcome your input into this article as I have been actively editing this article with another user, ExplodingBoy, and we have been working to come up with concensus on the article. Please comment on the article's talk page about any disputes and/or suggestions you may have with the article's content and wording. I have no dispute with his nationality since he was born in Rogers, Arkansas according to the news accounts and police reports. If you have an issue, I would be willing to remove it altogether. --Strothra 16:50, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh! I noticed that you mentioned weasel words. Which of the words are you referring to exactly and I will rethink the wording. --Strothra 16:53, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Armando Llorens-Sar

Please see the discussion on User_talk:Sceptre re your blanking/protecting of the Armando Lloréns-Sar entry, especially since your blanking was used by the closing adminsitrator as reason to delete. (Btw, love the cat.) ~ trialsanderrors 21:20, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Categories

Hello friend. I would use "Conservation in T&T". By the way I was a supporter of Ghana. I am always pleased when outsiders and African teams do well. Also, the Czech media think that Czech team will be in the final, so that defeat is good for Czech society I think :). Ghana played great game yesterday, as was the USA. Your wife is American? - Darwinek 15:04, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

Hello Guettarda, and thanks for voting in my recent RfA, which passed with a tally of (68/19/3). I appreciated your comments, which I hope to take on board in order to gain your respect in my work as an administrator. Best of luck in your continued editing of the encyclopedia! Sam Vimes 20:03, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Juan Ponce de Leon II

It's always nice to hear from you. You know, you may be right Juan Troche Ponce de Leon my have been Juan Ponce de Leon II. Juan Garcia Troche and Juana Ponce de Leon it seems had other children, among them a daughter named María Troche Ponce de León. It would be an intellectual guess that they are the same person considering that the Spanish Crown did send Juan Ponce de Leon II to reconquer Trinidad. I will add it to his bio until proven wrong. Do you agree? Tony the Marine 06:26, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

• There are a couple of things that bother me. First is that "Trego" is a surname that I can't find any reference to in Ponce de Leon's Puerto Rican bloodline. Second, that Juan Ponce de Leon is supposed to have governed Trinidad from 1571 to 1591 and Antonio de Berrío from 1580 to 1597. How do you think that worked out? Last, according to my notes the Spanish Crown sent de Leon II to retake the island from the British, a mission which he failed. Did the British invade the island during his life time? They may have ocupied the island briefly. If you can find an answer or a least have an educated quess as to these questions please let me know. Tony the Marine 07:53, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Mea culpa

See my apology at Talk:Ralph Abercromby. Perhaps it would be better to move this debate to a more visible forum than that talk page? I think a number of people, besides myself, would disagree that knighthoods and the like represent a POV, rather than legitimate enactments of sovereign governments. Perhaps Misplaced Pages talk:Manual of Style (biographies), where there's already been some discussion? Choess 17:38, 21 June 2006 (UTC)