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| :I've spent most of my life listening to people opine that there is no such thing as a Celtic identity, that we have "died out", that we didn't really exist and our heritage is made up, that I should do something 'useful' rather than study the language of my ancestors, that our culture is not as 'good' or 'worthy' as the dominant Anglo-English one, and that our motives are political and violent rather than cultural and peaceful. You'll have to pardon me if I've heard most of the arguments you've made in the AFD being directed at me in a venomous and hateful way many times before. I don't know you, so I'll take your word for it if you say you're not a racist. But many of the things you said in that discussion were quite ignorant and grossly offensive not just to me, but others in that discussion, and probably many Celtic people all over the world. ] <sup>(])</sup> 07:56, 10 March 2014 (UTC). | :I've spent most of my life listening to people opine that there is no such thing as a Celtic identity, that we have "died out", that we didn't really exist and our heritage is made up, that I should do something 'useful' rather than study the language of my ancestors, that our culture is not as 'good' or 'worthy' as the dominant Anglo-English one, and that our motives are political and violent rather than cultural and peaceful. You'll have to pardon me if I've heard most of the arguments you've made in the AFD being directed at me in a venomous and hateful way many times before. I don't know you, so I'll take your word for it if you say you're not a racist. But many of the things you said in that discussion were quite ignorant and grossly offensive not just to me, but others in that discussion, and probably many Celtic people all over the world. ] <sup>(])</sup> 07:56, 10 March 2014 (UTC). | ||
| ::You don't have to take my word for it! I cannot possibly be racist. I've never seen the kind of "anti-Celts" you describe anywhere: anti-devolutionists maybe, but not 'anti-Celt' in anything other than a very-specific academic way - ie in saying that historically-speaking there were no Celtic 'nations' only tribes, and there is no modern 'Celt' ethnicity that isn't a modern cultural moniker that runs not just alongside other forms of 'national' identity but most-typically entirely contains or is even contained by them. If you have strong views on creating independent countries out of all these different places you may be seeing various 'anti-devolutionary' stances as being "anti-Celtic identity" of course. If you are, you shouldn't take it that far. | |||
| ::I will say that I do find the constant anti-anglo/English sentiment I always hear on Misplaced Pages pretty ignorant and offensive myself. I wonder sometimes if you can have one without the other? ie 'modern Celts' without oppressive neighbours? Historically it's a false dichotomy too, as Britain was all Celtic until separate nations developed. It's only in tradition we've decided that Scotland remained 'Celtic' in some way but most of England didn't at all. It's far more fanciful than historical. I've never personally heard the kind of 'anti-Celtic' sentiment you say you've suffered in your life: and I've lived and seen a lot too believe me. Nothing I said was ignorant in my opinion, and surely it was only 'racist and grossly offensive' if you want it to be - ie if you see a global race of modern Celts that are vulnerable to racism when someone argues against there being any actual 'racial' unity. But the widely-spread Celtic tribes died out because they were never that widely connected: centralism just wasn't their thing. When they became real nations they became something else. It's just the story of civilisation. Great Britain (and the whole British Isles to some degree) will always be inter-connected because it's a fairly small island. It's how civilisation started here (ie in the Celtic era), and it's how it will end - at least for as long as it remains an island! | |||
| ::These various and varying areas that are traditionally called 'Celtic' are only connected to each other by sentiment, and only Celtic in varying levels of kept tradition too. It's all wonderful until it becomes political, then it's all divisive at least to some degree. So Misplaced Pages has to take care. It must also be careful it respects sovereignty and doesn't unduly and unfairly promote 'nationalist' sentiments. I personally think that the only way to do that is to keep the encyclopedia relatively tight and academic. All these endless sub-articles are a nightmare in my opinion, if only to monitor and upkeep. Outside of these kind of arguments, all I did was point out the level of involvement amongst the 'keep' editors: and call for some properly neutral voices in an area that is often desperate for them imo. Other than that it was just an AfD. ] (]) 23:07, 11 March 2014 (UTC) | |||
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Regarding Qutbi Bohra article
i am the author of Qutbi Bohra article and i appreciate your comments on the same. i really have evidences that are not on the internet as observed by you but i dont know how to connect them to Misplaced Pages. articles in local newspapers, testimonials, voice recordings, letters. I also have articles of evidence that will be defamatory for Khuzaima Qutbuddin but will definitely establish the authenticity of Qutbi Bohra. But i was of the opinion that defaming anybody is not the policy of Misplaced Pages and this article is just a description of a sect and does not validate the defamation of a person. I want your sincere advice on how to save this article. Thank you. Araz5152 (talk) 12:33, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
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Hello, I'm a student and I have a problem. About one month ago, I created pages named United Security Bancshares, but it had been deleted because the company does not assert notability. But the company is my homework and my teacher requires me to create it. I know you are very busy as an admin, but would you please userfy the page? I'll improve the quality of the page and I can also learn from it. Thank you very much! ReganChai (ReganChai) 18:59, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
- Restored as requested, User:ReganChai. Lankiveil 21:14, 16 February 2014 (UTC).
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Your claim of contributor "racism" at the Celtic Nations AfD
Can you point out where this 'racism' was please?
Only a few people voted to 'delete', and it was only myself who posed arguments beyond that the article is a 'fork' too many (ie that Misplaced Pages already has Celts and Modern Celts) - I argued on notability as its own-article, historical authenticity regarding 'nationhood', and politicisation of some very non-political sources. I also supported the 'exclusionist' over-forking argument, as I often will at 'Article For Deletion' polls. Almost all contributors of the AfD were linked to the article, and that has always been a problem inherent with AfD unfortunately. (you are into the Irish language yourself - hardly a totally unconnected editor, which is what AfDs desperately need more of imo).
The contributor 'watchlist' issue (ie they see there is an AfD) often means the 'stronger' arguments are from those who go for 'delete', as there is often a quick group of "keep of course" votes. To put it simply, you ought to expect strong arguments at AfDs.
So where was the "ugly Celtiphobia and racism"?
I can actually deal with 'Celtophibia' as I have become a critic of what I see as the 'over-promotion' of this area on Misplaced Pages (I'm actually from Wales, and notice the areas where nationalist politics can infuse with various facts and figures) - but I absolutely do not believe you can just use the term "racism" casually, even if you decided not to pinpoint where you saw it. I certainly took it very personally, as no other editor present argued along the lines that I did.
- I've spent most of my life listening to people opine that there is no such thing as a Celtic identity, that we have "died out", that we didn't really exist and our heritage is made up, that I should do something 'useful' rather than study the language of my ancestors, that our culture is not as 'good' or 'worthy' as the dominant Anglo-English one, and that our motives are political and violent rather than cultural and peaceful. You'll have to pardon me if I've heard most of the arguments you've made in the AFD being directed at me in a venomous and hateful way many times before. I don't know you, so I'll take your word for it if you say you're not a racist. But many of the things you said in that discussion were quite ignorant and grossly offensive not just to me, but others in that discussion, and probably many Celtic people all over the world. Lankiveil 07:56, 10 March 2014 (UTC).
- You don't have to take my word for it! I cannot possibly be racist. I've never seen the kind of "anti-Celts" you describe anywhere: anti-devolutionists maybe, but not 'anti-Celt' in anything other than a very-specific academic way - ie in saying that historically-speaking there were no Celtic 'nations' only tribes, and there is no modern 'Celt' ethnicity that isn't a modern cultural moniker that runs not just alongside other forms of 'national' identity but most-typically entirely contains or is even contained by them. If you have strong views on creating independent countries out of all these different places you may be seeing various 'anti-devolutionary' stances as being "anti-Celtic identity" of course. If you are, you shouldn't take it that far.
- I will say that I do find the constant anti-anglo/English sentiment I always hear on Misplaced Pages pretty ignorant and offensive myself. I wonder sometimes if you can have one without the other? ie 'modern Celts' without oppressive neighbours? Historically it's a false dichotomy too, as Britain was all Celtic until separate nations developed. It's only in tradition we've decided that Scotland remained 'Celtic' in some way but most of England didn't at all. It's far more fanciful than historical. I've never personally heard the kind of 'anti-Celtic' sentiment you say you've suffered in your life: and I've lived and seen a lot too believe me. Nothing I said was ignorant in my opinion, and surely it was only 'racist and grossly offensive' if you want it to be - ie if you see a global race of modern Celts that are vulnerable to racism when someone argues against there being any actual 'racial' unity. But the widely-spread Celtic tribes died out because they were never that widely connected: centralism just wasn't their thing. When they became real nations they became something else. It's just the story of civilisation. Great Britain (and the whole British Isles to some degree) will always be inter-connected because it's a fairly small island. It's how civilisation started here (ie in the Celtic era), and it's how it will end - at least for as long as it remains an island!
- These various and varying areas that are traditionally called 'Celtic' are only connected to each other by sentiment, and only Celtic in varying levels of kept tradition too. It's all wonderful until it becomes political, then it's all divisive at least to some degree. So Misplaced Pages has to take care. It must also be careful it respects sovereignty and doesn't unduly and unfairly promote 'nationalist' sentiments. I personally think that the only way to do that is to keep the encyclopedia relatively tight and academic. All these endless sub-articles are a nightmare in my opinion, if only to monitor and upkeep. Outside of these kind of arguments, all I did was point out the level of involvement amongst the 'keep' editors: and call for some properly neutral voices in an area that is often desperate for them imo. Other than that it was just an AfD. Matt Lewis (talk) 23:07, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Antonio Rodrigues (9/11 officer)
why did you delete the page "Antonio Rodrigues (9/11 officer)"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.38.197.160 (talk) 06:41, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
- The community had a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Antonio Rodrigues (9/11 officer) where a decision was made to delete the article. I simply closed and processed the discussion. Lankiveil 07:59, 10 March 2014 (UTC).
Edit warring IP
This IP you blocked for edit warring at 2015 in film is once again edit warring, on the exact same article. Rusted AutoParts 15:25, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
- Looks like User:Kww beat me to it, I've also s-protected the article from edits by IP editors for a little while in case the person has access to other computers. Lankiveil 07:25, 11 March 2014 (UTC).