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June 16

Article moved

Hi

An article which was the beginnings of a biography about myself has been moved to "my personal space" ... it now doesn't show up when someone searches on Misplaced Pages for "Jon Morby"

The article was written by a partisan 3rd party, and was the basis for a much more detailed entry in due course.

I have today come in to add links to Demon Internet, iii, redmail and Redbus - all companies I've been involved in the formation of in the UK, as well as FidoNet of which I was heavily involved in through the UK<->US gateways and the Region 25 (UK) Internet gateway .. however I can't even find the article to add these salient bits onto.

I would be grateful if the Bio could be promoted back into "real space" as it is pertinent, and has been viewed / referenced by several articles elsewhere including newsgroups and I believe at least one UK publication.

Or does this sort of "Bio" contravene all sense of the "rules" for Misplaced Pages? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jmorby (talk • contribs) .

Looking over the bio it doesn't seem likely that it would survive being moved back into the article space. I would recommend reading WP:BIO which lists some qualifications for biographies that we have. With regard to the companies, we also have requirements that they should meet before having an article on Misplaced Pages. You can read those guidelines at WP:CORP. --Hetar 00:44, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages also has a guideline against autobiographies, on the grounds that it is particularly hard to be objective or to establish notability when talking about oneself.--Kwekubo 00:53, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

sound card

how do I find the sound card on my dell laptop? I can see the music videos but i have no sound. I have listened to music alot but the last week it says i have no sound card. Can you please help me or tell me how I can get help? 01:17, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

• This page is for questions about editing Misplaced Pages. Please consider asking this question at the Reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Misplaced Pages, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. You could always try searching Misplaced Pages for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. - Mgm| 04:47, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Watchlist options

In "my watchlist", it is possible to hide bot edits and hide my edits. Is it possible to hide logged-in users, so that I can check edits by anon IPs for vandalism? Andjam 01:25, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

You can indeed hide your own edits and bot edits from the watchlist - just go to your preferences, click on the Watchlist tab and check the appropriate boxes. You might find Lupin's anti-vandal tool useful - it adds a variety of recent changes filters to your toolbox, including one that lists recent changes by IPs. --Kwekubo 02:15, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

But I can't hide logged in editors? With Lupin's tool, all I'm getting (even with all recent changes) is "(1) updating..." and the like. Andjam 03:54, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it is possible for watchlist, however if you want to fight vandalism in general, considering using Special:Recentchanges instead. You can hide logged-in users there. Also, consider joining Misplaced Pages:Recent changes patrol to fight against vandalism! --WinHunter 18:54, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Alleged Autobiography

The article Chris Carter (producer/disc jockey) appears autobiographicalish, so I put the tag on it.

The editor returned and removed the tag and denied my assertion. I think it's bad to remove the tag before concensus is reached, but I don't know what the policy is.

Also, though I know how to put that tag on the page, I don't know what step two is. Could a few experts chime in here or on the talk page and guide the process?

Thanks, 68.183.117.74 05:55, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Check out the article's talk page as there seems to be a pretty decent explanation there. If you have any neutrality problems, I would suggest bringing up specific sentences on the talk page and working with others editors to improve them. Also, if you create an account it will facilitate communication for this process, as well as earn you additional respect. --Hetar 05:59, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I think you are right. The whole thing just looked a little fishy to me, but I am starting to believe the editor is just a big fan of Chris Carter, which is not a problem.

PS: How much additional respect will I earn with an account? Is it Goodfellas type respect? That is the kind I am after.

Thanks, 68.183.117.74 09:09, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I'll personally hide several illegal weapons, drive badly (watching a helicopter that seems to be unsubtly following me) and come round to your home and cook a pasta sauce for an improbable amount of time, while talking about people getting "whacked" and "made". How does that sound? --Dweller 09:23, 16 June 2006 (UTC) (written from memory, so forgive me if any details are slightly incorrect)

squatters

how did squatters build their homes?220.237.19.179 06:43, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

You might find what you are looking for in the article about Squatting. If you cannot find the answer there, click here to post your question at that article's talk page. If that doesn't solve your problem, you can try asking your question at Misplaced Pages's Reference Desk. They'll be glad to answer questions about anything in the universe (except about how to use Misplaced Pages, which is what this help desk is for). I hope this helps. Harryboyles 07:13, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

questions

can i answer questions asked my many wikipedia users hima 12:30, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes and no. Clarification could be helpful here...EvocativeIntrigue _{TALK | EMAIL} 13:04, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, are you saying that you want to know how many wikipedia users there are? Nil Einne 13:05, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I was under the impression he was asking if he could answer questions about his many Misplaced Pages usernames...EvocativeIntrigue _{TALK | EMAIL} 13:26, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Copyright issue

I noticed that the William H. Gates, Sr. page uses this image (Image:William Gates, Sr.jpg) which is fair use art tagged. However the wording of the copyright notice states:

It is believed that the use of low-resolution images of works of art

• for critical commentary on

• • the work in question,
  • the artistic genre or technique of the work of art or
  • the school to which the artist belongs
• on the English-language Misplaced Pages, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation,

qualifies as fair use under United States copyright law. Any other uses of this image, on Misplaced Pages or elsewhere, may be copyright infringement. See Misplaced Pages:Fair use for more information.

Also in the Misplaced Pages Fair Use page it states:

1. A work of art, not so famous as to be iconic, whose theme happens to be the Spanish Civil War, to illustrate an article on the war. (However, because of its iconic status, it is presumably Fair Use where we have a small image of Picasso's Guernica in the article Bombing of Guernica.)

This makes me think it is wrong for us to use the image in question in the Gates Sr page/article. I don't know enough about US copyright law and fair use policy to say for sure so perhaps someone who knows more could help (just remove it if you think it's not fair use I guess).

Also is there a way to link to a wikipedia image without it showing up in the page other then by linking to the whole page?

Nil Einne 13:04, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

It's not illegal if you don't get caught. And as for your image linking question, use external link syntax. --Froth 17:36, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes it is. And try Image:William Gates, Sr.jpg (which is ]). Notinasnaid 18:26, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

INTERNAL image links

Let's suppose I want to imbed in my article a small image, available from Commons, and that I want that clicking on that image, the user goes to an internal link. For example, image is ] and link is ]. How can I do that by Wiki tag, not HTML?--195.212.29.179 14:53, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't believe that is possible in Misplaced Pages. By default clicking on an image takes you to the image description page, but you could include a Wikilink in the image caption - as in this example

-=# Amos E Wolfe  #=- 15:41, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Is there any way to have a link by icon (image) rather than text?--82.57.170.22 20:30, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Who can help me fix my entry?

I am new to the system and looked up one of my favorite photographers, Robert Voltaire. I tried to add him but it says the page has errors. I know this system is supposed to be easy to use, but I am new and a little slow to figure it out. Can someone help me fix my entry? Also, if you could explain to me where I went wrong. Thanks so much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Innercircle (talk • contribs)

The article is at Robert Voltaire. If he is one of your favourite photographers perhaps you know enough about him to add some facts to the article, and add some Wiki links. Once you have done this, you may feel you can remove the cleanup tag. Don't forget to put the article into a suitable category.

-=# Amos E Wolfe  #=- 15:45, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I took the initiative and did some formatting to the article, as well as adding a category. As far as the cleanup reason goes, there's some discussion at Talk:Robert Voltaire, but it doesn't really explain much. You might want to ask the people who edited the article or the talk page. (Click on the "History" link above the article to see who has edited it.) --Elkman 15:53, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Telling other editors that I'm in the process of writing an article

Hello,

I looked and I looked but I can't find anything on this.

I'm trying to write an article about Ford LTD Crown Victoria cars. I want to save the page as a stub, and then add more information. But I want to save it as a stub first. The question is, how do I tell other editors I'm still writing the article (as to not have an edit conflict)?

Thank You!

AndreniW 15:49, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

You could put the {{inuse}} tag at the top of the article while you're working on it. Dismas| 16:08, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

• Just curious, but why do you want to save it as a stub first instead of entering as much as possible in one go? - Mgm| 18:37, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

One possibility would be that the user is unable or unwilling to save the content locally first. Therefore, to avoid the risk of losing the content if the computer dies, the browser dies, the internet connection dies, they screw up and somehow lose it all or whatever, they regularly save it so worst case, they only use their past 10-20 minutes of work rather then their past 1-2 hours Nil Einne 20:32, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Map of kirov, russia

Hello, how do I get a map of Kirov, Russia? And, how can I find about some things about local culture of this particular area?

It appears there are two Kirov in Russia (Kirov, Kirov Oblast & Kirov, Kaluga Oblast), which one are you looking for? --WinHunter 18:49, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

edit war intervention please

I'm not sure where to go to get admin intervention in a bit of an edit war..

Maybe the frequenters of the help desk can help with it instead of appealing to an admin

The page Age of the Earth is a very long article on the history of the science community's acceptance of an "old" earth (billions of years). Coverage of "opposing views" such as hinduism, cults, and more mainstream stuff like literal judeo-christianity is linked to via the disambig header (this is non standard already).

Thinking that (especially with such a controversial topic) the "science" of it shouldn't be asseted as what's "true" and should merely be presented as the majority view (as per Neutral vs Scientific Point of View, see WP:NPOV), I marked it with an NPOV tag and requested that the article be rewritten to present the science as only one view, while giving other views fair "significant minority" coverage.

But some of the article writers keep removing the tag, saying that it's a scientific article and that "pseudoscience" has no place in the article. My original point was that it shouldn't be a scientific article! Since it's titled "age of the earth" it should be an article on the body of human knowledge -scientific and unscientific- regarding the age of the earth.

Am I going too far in marking it NPOV? Careful reading of WP:NPOV seems to suggest that the NPOV policy was written specifically to address these type situations...

Can someone direct me to where I can appeal to admin support, or at least help me in my edit war? :)

--Froth 17:33, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

• You could post at WP:AN/I. - Mgm| 18:35, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Also considering following the steps listed in WP:DR --WinHunter 19:01, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Replacing a stub with a redirect.

There is a virtually empty stub for Puerto Pollensa and a slightly more developed stub for Port de Pollença. The former is Castellano, and the latter is Catalan, for exactly the same town. The page Puerto Pollensa should be replaced by a redirect to Port de Pollença. Is this something I can do (if yes, how?), or must one be an administrator? --vibo56 19:26, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I've done it in this case with http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Puerto_Pollensa&diff=58994624&oldid=52731902 this edit]. All you need to do is delete the content of the page and replace it with #REDIRECT ]. --Cherry blossom tree 20:03, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! --vibo56 20:12, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

AfD

Perhaps this is not the best place for this, but I'm not sure where is (I'm so navigationally challenged! :) - When is a discussion finished on an AfD deletion vote, and what do I do as the initiator of the deletion proposal when this happens? Ben Tibbetts 20:27, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

AfD discussions are closed after 5 days, or later (there is sometimes quite a backlog). As the initiator, nothing is expected of you during the process, the admin that closes the discussion will take care of it. If the result is 'delete', he'll delete the article, if the result is something different, like 'keep', he'll make sure the necessary steps are taken (the AfD tag removed, a link on the talk page, etc.). I think more about this can be found here: WP:AFD. --JoanneB 20:31, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

That's exactly what I needed to know. Thank you very much. Ben Tibbetts 20:44, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Problems creating a new page

Hey! I'm new to all of this so I'm sorry if my question sounds basic. I wanted to create some articles that are referred to in one of the articles on the site, but everytime I click on the red link, it asks me if I want to save index.php, which I do, but then I have no idea what to do with that, and I don't understand why it won't just create an empty page for me so that I can add headings myself, just like any other article. Hope this helps in explaining my question. Thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Headeditor42 (talk • contribs) .

Go to Special:Preferences. In the Editing section untick "Use external editor by default". That should solve the problem.--Fuhghettaboutit 00:17, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Confused about images - local vs. commons

See Image_talk:Reuters-Building-30SC.JPG GhostInTheMachine 23:22, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Response given on talk page. --Hetar 23:49, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Many thanks! I will check back tomorrow. GhostInTheMachine 00:07, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

June 17

answers.com IS STEALING YOUR REPORTS

i was looking in google and had already looked in wikipedia and read through your article. I went into a website called www.answers.com please send a message to (email address removed to prevent spam) to tell me you have delt with these people.

Since wikipedia is using GFDL on his contents, any site can have Misplaced Pages content there. --WinHunter 05:10, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, see Misplaced Pages:Mirrors and forks and specifically Misplaced Pages:Mirrors and forks/Abc#Answers.com. NoSeptember 05:13, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Styling of words, e.g. handmade, hand-made, hand made

This keeps bothering me and I haven't yet come across a style guide or such that addresses the question. Sometimes people use words which 'normally' have a hyphen, or which 'normally' are joined, but rather they split up the word into two parts. It happens quite too often for it to be confusion by just non-native English speakers. Actually all sorts of misusages occur (see ) and knowing where the applicable style guide is would be a help. Any pointers? Shenme 05:43, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I'd say this is more of a spelling issue than a style issue. I would just use your preferred dictionary to correct the spellings. My dictionary of choice, Merriam-Webster (American English), lists "handmade" and "in fact" and those are the spellings I would use. I don't think there's any formal policy; I would take "Spell words correctly!" or "Use spellings that occur in the dictionary!" as appropriate. (Of course, this does not apply to switching national varities of English, such as British to American English.) — Knowledge Seeker দ 05:50, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

As long as you have an on line dictionary to back you up, stomp out grammatically wrong uses as you have shown. And yes, everyone can make mistakes as noticed in the two paragraphs above and mine as well ;) -- That Guy, From That Show! 07:02, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Requested features

How would one go about requesting features (or extensions) for MediaWiki?

One is adding a count for the number of images in a category on the category, for example Category:Astronomy_images states "There are 0 pages in this section of this category.", but makes no reference to the image below it.

I'd also like to request a feature to have Special:uncategorized pages be seperable by namespace. I want to be able to find uncategorized images as well as other pages.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction!. Chris M. 07:29, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/ is the place.--Commander Keane 07:34, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I've been told that is the place before, but I don't know how to actually request such a feature on that site. All I see is stuff about bug reports and nothing looks useful for this, if you could elaborate that'd be great, thanks. Chris M. 15:45, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Feature requests and bug reports are handled the same, i.e. just enter your feature request as if it were a bug report. -- Rick Block (talk) 16:29, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

how to get e-mails from wikipedia

       Hi!! I'm an ardent follower of WIKIPEDIA,( having the
       username- pupunwiki ). But the problem is :
       I didn't check my mails for a few days & as a result,
       I couldn't respond to the mail sent by -
        on :Misplaced Pages e-mail address confirmation.
       I was supposed to open the following link :
       http://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Confirmemail/c71529f40545dae55c8ffca004af7c31
       - which i didn't , rather couldn't do in time.

             Now , please tell me the procedure that would enable me 
       to get mails from wikipedia & its users in future.
                  Thanks,--Pupunwiki 09:51, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

In the top right hand corner -> "my preferences". (See Help:Email confirmation) --WinHunter 13:17, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Disambiguation

Hi,

I created an article http://en.wikipedia.org/George_Sutherland_%28author%29. I want to distinguish it from another entry for a different George Sutherland, but don't think that I have achieved this. Can you tell me how to fix it.

Collywolly 11:35, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

If there are only the two George Sutherland articles, it would be best to go to the George Sutherland page and add :''This article is about the English-born U.S. jurist and political figure. For the Scottish-born Australian writer, see ].'' to the top of the page (do not remove the quotation marks as these are italics tags). The reverse of this would also be useful on the author page. If there are more than two George Sutherland articles, it might be worth considering setting up a disambiguation page (let us know if you want instructions on how to do this). Road Wizard 12:29, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

How can I make articles on Misplaced Pages?

How can i create an article on Misplaced Pages. I have something brand new.

Thanks,

Domo1234 19:30, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Please read Misplaced Pages:Your first article, it walks you through the stuff you need to know/steps to take. --Hetar 19:32, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Box At Bottom

I see on many articles a box at the bottom of the article with links to different articles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/Digimon http://en.wikipedia.org/Neopet

Those are two examples. I want to create one for an article to add links to the character articles of that show, but I don't know how to make one. I have gone to other pages and clicked Edit so that I could copy the code for the box so that I could paste it in the other article and change the text and links inside it, but the code for it is missing.

So I have two questions.

How do you make those boxes? How come you can't edit them?

Sorry if I was confusing, but I have never been very good at explaining, and it doesn't help that I don't know the name of that box. :(

Those boxes are what you call templates. For example, you can edit the box displayed in the Neopet article by going to Template:Viacom. To make your own template, just type in Template:TEMPLATENAME in the search box on the left-hand side of your screen and then hit go. Now you can create the article. To include it on the pages you want, simply add its name inbetween curly brackets: {{ TestName }}. More info at Help:Template. --Hetar 22:19, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

If you want to know which templates consists some page, click on the 'edit' on this page. Used templates are always listed at the bottom on that page. Jacek Kendysz 22:27, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

June 18

Images

I have another question. How do you add images to articles? I checked the URL of images on articles, and it said upload.wikipedia. When I tried to put an image from another site in it, nothing appeared. So I have three questions.

How do you add images to the article (not the code, but how do make the image actually appear)? Can images from other sites not be used, or does it just not work for me? What is upload.wiki, and can anyone add images to it?

Thank you. Superneoking 00:10, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Generally, you should not use images from other websites. Normally this violates both our policies as well as multiple legal restrictions. If the image in question has been released under a free license or you think it qualifies for a fair use exception then you will need to upload it. Once the image has been uploaded it can be included in the article by using the following code ]. You can find more information at Images and Media Help. --Hetar 02:03, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Question of notability

I heard an ensemble on Prairie Home Companion tonight, which was their second appearance on the show at least, that doesn't have an article. I looked over the notability requirements for music acts and they don't meet a single one that I know of. Although, they've been together since 1900 which I think is a rather long time and therefore notable. Also, their second CD will be coming out later this year. So, does anyone else think that this group's article would survive? Dismas| 00:57, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Any group that's been together for 106 years isn't just notable, but worthy of serious scientific examination. --Dweller 01:04, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

They're not the original members of course...  :-) Although, two of the members have been with the group for more than 60 years. Dismas| 01:23, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Could you let us know the name of this group and if possible a link to an online source that discusses them? Thanks. Road Wizard 01:29, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

They are the Milwaukee Mandolin Orchestra. Here'stheir write up at the Classical Mandolin Society page. And according to this they are the "only mandolin group in America in continuous existence since the turn of the century". That's just after a quick google search. Dismas| 01:41, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

WP:MUSIC is designed to deal with garage and myspace bands. 100 year old Mandolin bands are a bit outside the area it covers.Geni 03:00, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, I went ahead and created it anyway. The fact that they've been around for 100+ years is notable enough for me. Dismas| 05:39, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

duplicated user archive

This is the first time I try to tide up my talk pages creating archives. It seems that accidentally I created a useless archive . Is there a way to completely remove it from Misplaced Pages to avoid future confusion? —Cesar Tort 02:00, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Yup, just tag it with {{db|reason}} or {{db-owner}}. --Hetar 02:02, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Concentration corrections

Hi, My name is <name removed>, producer of NBC's Concentration for 14 and a half years. I have several suggestions, corrections and additions that should be included. How do I submit them? My e-mail address:<email address removed>. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 152.163.100.11 (talk • contribs) 02:43, 18 June 2006.

Just a comment, I don't believe an NBC producer would be using an AOL address. --Crossmr 02:55, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

(After edit conflict) Hi. Anyone can edit an article. When you are looking at the article, simply click "edit this page" at the top and you can make corrections and additions to the article. You might want to look at a few of our core polices first and at the tutorial so you have a better grasp of wiki markup and other issues. --Fuhghettaboutit 03:03, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the comment above mine, I have no idea why you would think so. I know many professionals who use aol email addresses. I would also point you to WP:BITE.--Fuhghettaboutit 03:03, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm aware of WP:BITE and I'm not biting by pointing out the obviousness in the fact that someone introducing themselves in a professional capacity of an organization would provide an e-mail like an AOL address. It would be like the President of Harvard giving you his hotmail address to contact him about school business. --Crossmr 03:05, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Enough. This is a debate that can go nowhere and the wrong place for it.--Fuhghettaboutit 03:13, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Crossmr, Concentration (game show) was produced from 1958 to 1973. It would be not at all surprising if a producer from the show had retired or moved to a position with another broadcasting corporation in the intervening three decades. In either case, using a personal email address would be quite reasonable. Please be civil and don't bite the new editors – particularly not those who have specialized expertise which they have made a good-faith offer to share – by posting implied criticisms without doing your research first. This is the Help Desk—we try to be helpful rather than judgemental. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 05:12, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Blocking edits in my watchlist

Is there a way to block or ignore edits by bots from showing up in my watchlist? A recent CfD has been filling up my watchlist for the last hour or so by the bot that is removing the deleted cats. Dismas| 03:02, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

I know you're going to kick yourself. When you are in your watchlist, displayed prominently right above the namespace field there is a checkbox with the legend "Hide bot edits".--Fuhghettaboutit 03:06, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Kicking has commenced... Dismas| 04:14, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

To permanently hide bot edits, go to your Special:Preferences, the Watchlist tab, and tick "Hide bot edits from the watchlist".--Commander Keane 03:08, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, C.K. I should have known to check there... Dismas| 04:14, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Question

Who is the author, year and publisher of Misplaced Pages?

See Misplaced Pages:Citing Misplaced Pages. Dismas| 05:19, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Impossible to find

I am from the Dutch Misplaced Pages and I am looking here to find out how to list an article for deletion. I worked through several policy pages but cannot find anything. Please can somebody list eiland for deletion. This is total nonsence. It says there are living 170.000 persons. No such big town exists of this name. The user may be blocked.

Please make a small addition about this procedure on your Help page for foreigners. On the FAQ I also could find nothing. Known to you all, but not to somebody outside your community.

Fyi: I will look on NL wikipedia if we did a better job on this, and will change things if necessary ;-). Ellywa 06:46, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Deletion process for details on how to list an article for deletion. I will add an afd tag to it. --Eivind 07:08, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks I will keep your comment for future reference. Ellywa 08:35, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Try the tutorial for basic help, which, as far as I can remember, includes details of how to recommend articles for deletion. EvocativeIntrigue _{TALK | EMAIL} 13:47, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

stp motor

we want to purches Red Jacket STP —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.54.194.11 (talk • contribs) 09:01, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Have you tried Misplaced Pages's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Misplaced Pages, since that's what this Help Desk is for). For your convenience, here's the link: Reference Desk (when you get there, just select the relevant section, and ask away). I hope this helps. You'll probably have better luck contacting the company who makes the products you're looking for. Cheers, Tangotango 09:25, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

PARAGLIDING

I am looking for a discussion group on the web for paragliding questions and answers ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 165.146.252.26 (talk • contribs) 09:29, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Have you tried Misplaced Pages's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Misplaced Pages, since that's what this Help Desk is for). For your convenience, here's the link: Reference Desk (when you get there, just select the relevant section, and ask away). I hope this helps. Tangotango 09:39, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

• Our paragliding articles had some nice external links last time I checked. If you're Dutch, try the E-lijn forums. - Mgm| 09:54, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Names of babies

I would like to know the names of babies of following: 1.Pigeon 2.Grasshopper 3.Butterfly 4.Termite 5.Crow 6.Sparrow 7.Cockroach 8.Housefly. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.138.64.176 (talk • contribs) 09:32, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Have you tried Misplaced Pages's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Misplaced Pages, since that's what this Help Desk is for). For your convenience, here's the link: Reference Desk (when you get there, just select the relevant section, and ask away). I hope this helps. Tangotango 09:39, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Help Please from Bud Whiteye

I authored an environmental article titled, Sarnia: A Canadian Community Under Seige (I know "seige" is spelled wrong, but that is how it went) under my name; Bud Whiteye. I also registered under Bud Whiteye, AND you sent me a confirmation line to "click on" at my email address trbw@kent.net so I could know I am registered, What happened to my registration and what happened to my article?

I tried to re-register, but your instructions said "Bud Whiteye" was already in use, and left me no instructions on what to do. I'm the only Bud Whiteye in the world, so the instructions that say "Bud Whiteye" is in use is me.

Your help would be verily appreciated.

Bud Whiteye

• As to the location of your article, I think it was moved by someone else. The new location is here. For your registered name, you need to login by clicking the link in the top right hand corner of the website that says "create an account/sign in." Then type in "Bud Whiteye" (the name of your account), and the password you entered when first registering.--SomeStranger 13:51, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks SomeStranger, I will proceed there forthwith. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lenni lenape (talk • contribs)

variation

what is the meaning of variation?124.106.52.28 13:49, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

• In what context? You can try wiktionary:variation or Variation to find out. Please post any further questions of this type to the reference desk. This page is for questions about Misplaced Pages. - Mgm| 13:55, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

How do I submit an Article or topic?

Hello,

I am new to the site. I would like to submit an artical on the benefits of equine horse massagers with a link. Please advise.

Shawn

Hi Shawn. Welcome to Misplaced Pages. In answer to your question, please See: Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Misplaced Pages:Your first article and Misplaced Pages:How to write a great article. Please note that a general article on horse massaging may be appropriate (I am not familiar with the subject) but an article promoting a specific horse massaging product is probably not, as articles used for advertizing purposes are discouraged. I have posted some useful links on your talk page.--Fuhghettaboutit 15:09, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Info search when no article available

How do i get info on somthing that does not have an article writen about it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.199.117.10 (talk • contribs) 17:45, 18 June 2006 (UTC).

I guess in that case you may have to look for alternate source of information. (E.g. Google) --WinHunter 18:07, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Or the 1911 Britannica Computerjoe's talk 20:26, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Or try the Misplaced Pages:Reference desk. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 21:56, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

User Pages

There don't seem to be any clear instructions on how to create and edit one's userpage. I've had to rely on the kindness of a few Wikipedians to get as far as I have. What I'd like to do now is add a pic of myself. Yet wherever I look, there doesn't seem to be much in the way of guidance as to how to edit userpages.

I obviously have a pic in mind in .jpg format.

Could anyone please explain to me in simple steps how to add that pic to my userpage?

Many thanks,

Loomis 19:19, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Goto Special:Upload (the Upload file link on the left), upload your picture. Then link it in your userpage (e.g. ] -> )

--WinHunter 19:24, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

User pages are just like any other page as far as editing goes. Misplaced Pages:Image tutorial and WP:USER may give you some guidance. Dismas| 00:18, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

You might want to check out WP:UPH --GeorgeMoney  04:57, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Legal question about media and naming of criminal suspects

In this discussion -

http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:2006_Toronto_terrorism_case#.22who_cannot_be_named.22

We are trying to work out if American media law takes precendence over that of canada in regards to the naming of subjects in criminal investigations. I'm *very* hazy about this but I *think* that in an ongoing effect to avoid american-bias we default to the norms of the country the offense happened in unless there is a good reason? Confused! Many thanks for any help on this matter. --Charlesknight 21:08, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

This isn't really a helpdesk question - you could ask at Misplaced Pages:Reference desk/Miscellaneous, or you could try exploring Portal:Law to find some relevant expertise. It looks from the talk page as if a bit more discussion should sort out the dispute - if not, then reading the Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution procedure is a good idea. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 21:42, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

As I understand it, Misplaced Pages is hosted in Florida, so the only applicable law is American (US) law, and specifically Florida Law. Canadian law does not affect Wikimedia as hosts of the content. Individual contributors may also be ruled by the laws of the country from which they are contributing. --Cherry blossom tree 21:46, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

but this isn't a discussion of the legality of the article, it's a discussion about that law as it applies to the subject of an article - the dispute is about accurate wording, not whether we can legitimately release information. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 21:54, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

I know the discussion isn't about the legal situation, but the question was. --Cherry blossom tree 22:03, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

• Whatever you put into an article has to be backed up by reliable and accesible sources. If suspects' full names aren't publicly available, you can't provide sources and thus not put it in the article. If you have sources, you can as long as it is allowed by Florida or US law. - Mgm| 07:28, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

C0FFEE or AliceBlue

Is it just me, or are all the Misplaced Pages pages a shade of alice blue? Cernen Xanthine Katrena 23:32, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Generally, article pages are off-blue, talk pages are yellow. ~Kylu (u|t) 23:42, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

June 19

Promoting Independent Wikis

Is there a definitive place within Misplaced Pages or Wikimedia to promote an independent wiki; preferably some place that actually has a decent amount of visibility to it? Also, is there a policy guiding how and where one can promote an independent wiki throughout the rest of Misplaced Pages and Wikimedia? HamillianActor 00:34, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

• No. Promoting wikis outside those hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation is not one of our goals, so there's no place to do so. Many consider promotion of any site within Misplaced Pages vandalism. So I recommend you don't do it. - Mgm| 07:25, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

help

how can i patrol recent edits? unsigned by User:Patbaseball2221

You can look at the countervandalism unit and recent changes patrol pages, they will get you pointed in the right direction. --Pilot|guy 01:14, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Message left one users Talk page. (because the edit buttons dissapeared in this page!) skorpion 03:44, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

In case you were talking about the Mediawiki feature Patrolled edits, it is currently disabled for EN-Misplaced Pages. If you don't know what I'm talking about then don't worry about it :-).--Commander Keane 04:18, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Usernames in red?

What is the significance of usernames in red, please? I did try to check the FAQ (in several places), but couldn't find the answer. Thanks. Betterthanyouare 02:00, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

A red-link is simply a link to a page that dosen't exist, for example, there is no page called 'Sqwimf". So red-linked usernames are shown when a user has not yet created a userpage. Prodego 02:06, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you! Betterthanyouare 02:14, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

how to create a listing

how to create a listing — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gener (talk • contribs)

If by listing you mean an article, taking a look at Misplaced Pages:Your first article and Help:Starting a new page. If you mean something else, please clarify. -- Natalya 04:00, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

password

sorry, i know the answer must be obvious. however, i signed in (attempted) with my password, which was not recognised, so was sent a new one. i want to change this to one i will remember, but cannot see on the sign-in page where this can be done. advice gratefully received. many thanks. every good wish, dr jocelynne a. scutt

Log in using your new password. Once logged in you can go to "my preferences" (located at the top of the page) or simply click on Special:Preferences here. In the preferences there is a section "Change password".--Commander Keane 05:09, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

IP signing with non-existent usernames

I discovered a talk page where an IP had signed with a non-existent userpage, so its not like they were trying to impersonate someone. I checked the username, no user page, no talk page, no contribs. Should I remove the signature and tag an unsigned on it with the correct info? --Crossmr 04:44, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it's a big deal (without looking at the specific case) but if you like you could add the correct signature after the incorrect one. I avoid changing other people's comments.--Commander Keane 05:09, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Unless it is impersonating / vote-stacking attempt then it probably isn't a great deal. (In those situations, changing the signature and explain it in edit summary probably is a good idea) Otherwise it may just be an anonymous user trying to use some sort of name to identify him/her, not too big deal since no harm is done. --WinHunter 05:42, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

• Still, if they want to use that name more often than just the one time, I recommend you ask them to register an account (and point them to the benefits). - Mgm| 07:21, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Spam filter

I came across a spam filter while editing Chrononhotonthologos (see talk for an explanation of what I'm trying to do -- it's not my site, and I'm not a spammer.) It appears the external site referenced there is part of a spam filter somehow, though I don't understand why. meta:Spam blacklist doesn't seem to contain this site. I looked around but couldn't find anyplace to discuss this problem. Thanks, Cleduc 06:20, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I think it is likely because the link contains "logo & .com" (In spam filter: (?<!)logos\.com). You should probably report this to m:Talk:Spam blacklist#Proposed removals --WinHunter 06:31, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Roger, wilco -- thanks! Cleduc 06:42, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Can I become an editor / Do you need my skills ?

Hi there. I've been browsing the BDSM-part of the Misplaced Pages, and have found a lot of interesting information. Now, I've got a little knowledge myself, wich I'd like to share, eventually accompanied by my own photos, where applicable.

If this seems interesting to you, please take a look at my homepage at http://www.sadomechanix.dk - (also featured in english).

Yours faithfully

Lars Bech Nygaard webmaster

Misplaced Pages welcomes anyone to edit, including anonymous users! Please feel free to start editing anytime. --WinHunter 07:14, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Check out the Misplaced Pages:Tutorial for information on how to get going. —WAvegetarian•(talk) 07:22, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

How do I creat a new article? I Have an account

See: Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Misplaced Pages:Your first article and Misplaced Pages:How to write a great article.

And when on discussion pages, it's a good idea to sign off with ~~~~, to get a result like this: Confusing Manifestation 09:21, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Visibility of policies/guidelines

I have been using Misplaced Pages for a long time but every day, it seems like, I discover a new policy that I have never heard of. Today I discovered the guideline about avoiding trivia, which I was about to suggest. The search on Misplaced Pages is necessarily limited, to save system resources, but how else can I search for policies? The lists of policies are endless and Misplaced Pages has such an unfathomable amount of information on it that searching yields no desirable results. --Stellis 08:53, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:List of policies, Misplaced Pages:List of guidelines and Category:Misplaced Pages proposals. --Eivind 09:12, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Also see Category:Misplaced Pages official policy. Confusing Manifestation 09:15, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Another trick you can use is to limit your search to only return results from a certain namespace (such as, in your case, Misplaced Pages:). To do this, search for the term you're looking for (type it into the search box and click "Search"), then scroll to the bottom, where you can search for a term only in certain namespaces. — QuantumEleven 09:44, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I was lost until I found these shortcuts. It may not be intended as a directory, but it is pretty complete. Prodego 15:40, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

How to mark a suspected copyright violation

I think that Image:Future_history_01.jpg is still under copyright, and I don't think it qualifies as fair use. I checked with the uploader and they don't have a reason to believe it's out of copyright.

I looked at the list of copyright-related image tags, and I think imagevio is what I need. However, it appears that that tag is used to replace the image, whereas what I'd like to just add a tag that flags it for deletion. Do I just delete the image and put in imagevio, or is there a way that leaves the image in place till a decision is made by an admin? Thanks. Mike Christie 12:46, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Put imagevio in the image description page and don't delete it until a decision is made. If you have any troubles, look at how it's done in some of the images at WP:CP. Simple enough, don't you think ;) fetofs 13:01, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks -- I added imagevio; part of what bothered me about using that template was that it wants a URL, which is not relevant in this case. I just left it blank and added a reason on the copyright problems page. Thanks for the help. Mike Christie 13:14, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Maths symbols etc

Hi,

I am constructing an article in MS Office Word 2003 with the help of MathType 5.5. The article contains MS Word tables and various MathType symbol constructions both within cells of the tables and in the body of the text. I am completely new to Wiki and haven't managed to locate information within Wiki on how to upload the kind of document I have in mind. Please advise me on what to do.

I should be grateful if you could respond to "mytalk".

EpiGuru 14:16, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it's possible to upload an MS Word document to Misplaced Pages. Perhaps there is a program that can make the conversion, but I haven't heard of one. Misplaced Pages articles (or, for that matter, pages in any site based on MediaWiki - the engine behind Misplaced Pages and similar sites) should be written in Wiki markup. The pages Misplaced Pages:How to edit an article and Help:Formula provide some good information about it. -- Meni Rosenfeld (talk) 15:10, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

updating

On one of my computers, Misplaced Pages is not "updating" (i.e. the daily wikipedia entry is not there, but the daily entry from a year ago is there every day. What is going on there?

JIB

Probably it's a cached copy. Trying adding "?action=purge" or "&action=purge" to the end of the url to purge the cache of your browser. --WinHunter 14:54, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Style question: capitalization of the names of French-language organizations

I am working on a translation of the article fr:Conseil national de la Résistance, an umbrella organization formed in 1943 to coordinate the different French resistance movements. What should the title of the article be in the English Misplaced Pages? The four possibilities are:

1. Conseil national de la Résistance
2. Conseil National de la Résistance
3. National Council of the Resistance
4. National Resistance Council

In my view, it should be either (1) or (2) but I'm not sure which one. As for (3) and (4), both have been used in other English Misplaced Pages articles but in general the organization seems to be known in English by its French name. Given the nature of the organization, I doubt that it ever adopted an official English-language version of its name.

In French, initial caps are not routinely used in titles after the first word, so in French the organization is called Conseil national de la Résistance, but I'm wondering if in the English Misplaced Pages we should nevertheless refer to the organization as Conseil National de la Résistance. (But if so, why not Conseil National De La Résistance?)

I have looked at Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (capital letters) and Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions but did not see a clear answer to this question. Before I actually create the article, I would like some guidance on whether to capitalize the N or not. --Mathew5000 16:02, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I'd say 2, and redirect from the other pages. If you can remember, send me a link when you're done- I wouldn't mind reading it! EvocativeIntrigue _{TALK | EMAIL} 16:59, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Will do. For some reason 2 does seem most natural, but it's also the most illogical. If we refer to the organization by its French-language name, shouldn't we use French-language capitalization rules, just as if it were a film or a book (e.g. Au revoir, les enfants)? For organizations, I've seen both capitalization styles used for the titles of English-wiki articles on French organizations, e.g. Section française de l'Internationale ouvrière and Confédération Française Démocratique du Travail. --Mathew5000 17:18, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I finished my (very rough) translation: Conseil National de la Résistance.--Mathew5000 19:30, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

How to write a article about an organization

Hi, I would like to add an article about an organization(TANA) to WIKI?

We don't allow advertising on this encyclopedia. Sorry. --Pilot|guy 17:10, 19 June 2006 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SunilKoganti (talk • contribs) .

Would that be this TANA or another TANA? The article's subject must be notable to stand chance of inclusion.

Please don't forget to sign your post using ~~~~!

(Informed user of reply on help desk)

EvocativeIntrigue _{TALK | EMAIL} 17:13, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Even if the organization is not notable enough to merit its own article, it could be mentioned in the article Telugu people. For how to edit that article, see WP:EDIT.--Mathew5000 19:25, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Flickr question

There is an image on somebody's Flickr account that I want to add to Misplaced Pages (the commons) and an article. (Actually, there are probably a lot of pictures on Flickr I'd like to add so this applies to many images.) The image has the following license: CC Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 2.0 so it says I'm free to copy, distribute, display, and perform the work. So, am I correct in saying that all I need to do it upload the picture to the commons and include in the comments box the license used, the person's Flickr ID and the URL to the image? I know there is a Wiki program that does this but I don't want to have to mess around with getting access to it and everything.--NMajdan•talk 18:48, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't fully understand what you quote as the license, but Misplaced Pages cannot accept any photo released under a "no commercial use" license. Notinasnaid 18:50, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I wasn't aware Misplaced Pages was commercial use. Here is the license used.--NMajdan•talk 18:53, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind. Found the link. Here for those interested. That sucks.--NMajdan•talk 18:58, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, let me pose another question. If the photo on Flickr does have a noncommercial license (such as this one), then is my statement in my original post correct?--NMajdan•talk 19:03, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 (as in {{cc-by-2.0}})is an image license accepted by Misplaced Pages. --WinHunter 19:15, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Btw, Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 allows commercial use. --WinHunter 19:18, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

So then my statement about including the license, the flickr user's id, and a link to the image in the upload summary is correct.--NMajdan•talk 19:20, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

If the license is this one then yes, also please select cc-by-2.0 from the dropdown list of licenses when you upload the image. --WinHunter 19:38, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

If you meant to say "If the photo on Flickr does not have a noncommercial license" then your original statement was correct. You may also want to let the Flickr user know but that isnt a requirement. --Cherry blossom tree 20:38, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

June 20

The Father of Hollywood, HJ Whitley

Hobart Johnston Whitley named and developed the area today known as Hollywood, California. HJ is what Hobart Johnston Whitley was called by, and was well known by the locals as a developer and mover and shaker of Los Angeles. HJ was instrumental in motivating the movie industry to move to his town of Hollywood. He formed several groups of businessmen which benefited by his expertise in developing the modern cities of his time. He formed a group of local business men to purchase the Van Nuys Lankershim lands of the San Fernando Valley. This was his move to get the land annexed to the City of Los Angeles for the water needed to sustain the big valley development he was about to accomplish. HJ is well known the Western United States history as well. Hobart was a good friend of Theodore Roosevelt and was on the board of directors of for the Chicago Rock Island Railroad in late 1800. He developed over 140 towns in the West. HJ was at the Oklahoma run and persuaded the U.S. Congress in Washington to allow Guthrie to be capitol of the new state. In the early 1900 Los Angeles and Southern California history, HJ is being brought to light for his great contributions to the cities that he was apart of. HJ, his family and friends has many unpublished memoirs and are being brought to the public in the near future by the book, The Father of Hollywood by his great granddaughter, Gaelyn Whitley Keith. http://www.thefatherofhollywood.com/

Sub-category question

Normally, when a catagory (ex. Category:Selected anniversaries) is part of another category (Category:Misplaced Pages featured content), it will appear on the second category's list of Subcategories.

However, this is not true of Category:Misplaced Pages featured desktop backgrounds under Category:Misplaced Pages featured pictures. Here, "desktop backgrounds" was put in "featured pictures", but doesn't show up in its list of subcategories.

Why is this so? --kenb215 01:27, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

It's there, just not on the first (or second) page or 200 entries in the category. That's why the text immediately above the subcategories says "more may be shown on subsequent pages". -- Rick Block (talk) 02:20, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Alphabetized categories?

When adding categories to a page, is it standard for them to be listed alphabetically (for example: British film actors | Living people | Year of birth missing), or is that just some users' preference, or are somewhat-related categories supposed to be grouped together? Maybe a useless question, but I've been wondering about it. -- Flummery 04:02, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

From what I have seen alphabetizing is the perference, it helps drastically with orgnaization. Yanksox 04:12, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

The default is that category are listed alphabetically, though parameters entered in the category links can change the list method e.g. ] would cause the article to list as if "2000" is the article name, then it is being sorted alphabatically using those entered parameters. --WinHunter 04:13, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, Yanksox and WinHunter. Flummery 04:22, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Finding an article from the "On This Day..." box.

On Mon. June, 19, yesterday, in the box "On This Day...", there was a citation about the first baseball game to use modern rules being played in 1846. I came back to re-read the article, but the section had been updated. I looked in the archive section, which led me to a page titled "History of baseball in the United States." This is not the same article that was linked there on the 19th. I was wondering if anybody could tell me what that page was so I may finish reading it. James B.

Possibly New York Knickerbockers. You can also get info on that game from a Google search .--Mathew5000 06:36, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

:Click on the archive link in the "On This Day" box, which gives this link. --WinHunter 06:35, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

On the main page under "On this day..." there is a link named "Archive", click it and you get the current month, from which you can get to Misplaced Pages:Selected anniversaries/June 19. So it looks like the article referenced was in fact History of baseball in the United States.--Mathew5000 17:42, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Featured articles – RSS2

Hello. Probably this is the wrong place to suggest something like this, but I have put up a Featured Articles RSS @ http://lagring.net/wikipedia.rss and wondered if that is something that could be cool to have at the front page. Not my RSS feed but that at the same time someone creates the featured article, the RSS also gets created. There should also have been a RSS for QOTD, news and featured picture.

• We already have some RSS feeds at WP:RSS. And as far as I know correctly working RSS feeds update automatically when a new feature article is posted. - Mgm| 11:42, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Ai ai ai ai ai! But how come it isn't on the frontpage?

<link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml" title="RSS 2.0" href="http://helgo.net/simon/wikipedia/fa.xml" />

And come on, it doesn't seem like the most serious page! I'm thinking more of en.wikipedia.org/featured.xml

• Where did helgo.net come from? I don't see it listed anywhere. - Mgm| 12:28, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I think this is due to some technique difficulties. Since featured articles are stored in a day by day format (as opposed to changes in a single page), local rss feed doesn't work. --WinHunter 12:45, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Btw this helgo xml is created by one of the Misplaced Pages user, User:Skagedal/Fafafa, using a python program which is run daily. --WinHunter 12:47, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Comfirmation

I've tried to confirm my email, but it keeps showing me this message:

Confirm E-mail address

Invalid confirmation code. The code may have expired.

But I just got the code 5 mins ago. What's the problem? Thank you. -- Kahang 13:31, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

This usually happens when you send the confimation code twice. Check your inbox for the other email, only the most recent confirmation code will work. Just a guess.--Commander Keane 13:37, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Request to write a balanced biography

I came across the page for Andrew Filipowski which struck me as blatant self-promotion. Turns out it is a verbatim copy of this person's grandiloquent PR bio. In typical circumstances I would have prodded it, however this person is clearly notable so I tagged it POV and Autobio instead. Should it be tagged copyvio too? I would like this page to be replaced with a short balanced biography, but I don't know the person's history well enough to do it myself. What is the best place to call for attention to this page, so that someone who knows better can start the editing process? This person is known as a controversial figure so the page could quickly become sensitive... Thanks in advance for any hints you can provide. -- JFG 14:27, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Is that any better now? Just zis Guy you know? 14:44, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Splendid job, thanks!!! -- JFG 16:02, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Language icons

I am trying to use language icons.

{{It}} works, in fact, I obtain Template:It. {{En}} does not work, in fact, I obtain Transclusion error: {{En}} is only for use in File namespace. Use {{langx|en}} or {{in lang|en}} instead. rather than (English).

Why?--Dejudicibus 16:54, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Use {{En icon}}. It gives Template:En icon. {{It icon}} gives Template:It icon also. Jacek Kendysz 17:01, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Since this is the English Misplaced Pages it is expected that links will be in English, so {{En icon}} will not be needed often.--Commander Keane 17:06, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Change copyright info for uploaded image?

Hello, how can I change the copyright info for uploaded pic? I made a mistake. At least, how can I delete it?

You can edit the text description for the image by clicking on the "edit this page" tab. Also, check out the Misplaced Pages:Image copyright tags page. — TheKMan 19:51, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

The Seven Day Theory

It is very offensive to Tupac Shakur's memory to call him a "gangsta rapper" as you have done on your page about the Seven Day Theory. It is an insult. He was not "gangsta" which, by definition, means "gang member involved with violence". Please take out anything that says Tupac Shakur is a gangsta rapper. It is insulting, and I'm sure it's not the way he would have wanted to be remembered.

• Not quite. Our article gangsta rap says: Gangsta rap is a subgenre of hip hop music which involves a lyrical focus on the lifestyles of inner-city criminals & gangmembers. So it describes the song's subject rather than the artist performing it. - Mgm| 20:35, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

• • I'm not sure Hitler would want to be remembered in the way he is, but that's the point of an encyclopedia, to present as close to the turth as possible, not just what suits the subject. EvocativeIntrigue _{TALK | EMAIL} 14:56, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Article re: "GARY FREEDMAN"

--Garyfreedman 22:24, 20 June 2006 (UTC)== RE: article on Gary Freedman created 6/20/06 ==

I created an article about myself titled "Gary Freedman." I am an attorney but do not practice law so I obtain no commercial benefit from an article in Misplaced Pages. I link to several of my blogs which are of literary interest. I derive no commercial benefit whatsoever from my blogging activity.

Gary Freedman is notable in that he authored a lengthy autobiography that is written entirely in the form of quotations. This book, titled Significant Moments, is, to the best of my knowledge, one of the few books of its kind.

Central High School of Philadelphia is a Misplaced Pages entry and should have a link.

GARY FREEDMAN Washington, DC (202) 362 7064

garfreed@... (see history) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Garyfreedman (talk • contribs)

If you are not notable, you shouldn't create article about yourself. That's why this article has just been deleted (I cannot find Gary Freedman) Jacek Kendysz 21:32, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I presume your article has been deleted, though you don't say so. It was probably deleted per our policy Misplaced Pages:Notability. If you think it shouldn't have been (after reading that and also Misplaced Pages:Autobiography) then you may contest this at Misplaced Pages:Deletion Review, but I doubt you'll have much success. If this doesn't reflect your situation then you'll have to be more specific. --Cherry blossom tree 21:35, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Update, article had two prods, and both were removed by Mr. Freedman, currently being taken to AfD. Yanksox 21:37, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

• Trying to drive web traffic to your blogs is also considered inappropriate even if you do not have any commercial gain. - Mgm| 21:51, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Gary - the best place to discuss this matter is

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Gary_Freedman --Charlesknight 22:54, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

update, Thanks for bearing with me. I revised the entry again to state expressly that the blog is a "notable modern example of the medieval Hebrew literary device known as melitzah." The blog is notable not because it is well known, it is notable as one of the few axamples of an existing literary device.--Garyfreedman 18:49, 22 June 2006 (UTC)--Garyfreedman 19:14, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Main edits

How many main namespace edits should I get before going for adminship? GangstaEB EA (comments welcome!) 21:28, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

There's no set limit. See User:Durin/Admin charts for various charts on the subject. You'll see, for example, that with 2000 edits total you'd have an 80% chance of success. I understand (I don't vote myself) that people like to see a nice spread of edits (which rather reminds me of bombing patterns from Catch-22, but there we go.) Sorry if that's not much help. Someone may come along with more knowledge of RfAs. --Cherry blossom tree 21:41, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

• Ah, but Yossarian's squadron was supposed to get a tight bombing pattern that would look good for the cameras, not a spread-out one that might actually take out a large number of targets. Confusing Manifestation 02:45, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

You may also want to consider reading Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Standards to see the opinions of some RfA contributors. BryanG 02:22, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Inappropriate User Page

User:Zacluva323 was recently created, and i do not think that the content is very appropriate. Is this for me to comment/take action on, or is the content of a user page solely decided by the user in question? Ollie 21:51, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Ha, well, i see it has been deleted! In that case, what should i have done about it? Ollie 22:12, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

• I was the one that deleted the page in question. Here's why:

1. I doubt this is the person's own contact details. They talk about the girl in third person and ask the reader to contact them. Sharing someone else's contact details online is not allowed by law and thus we are allowed to stop it.
2. Such information is a spam/vandal/troublemaker magnet. While Misplaced Pages is not censored, we should protect minors from getting in serious trouble by posting such contact information and educate them about safe surfing habits.

Asking here's fine, but if you think it should be deleted, you could've taken it to WP:MFD, asked admins at WP:AN/I to take action or simply tag it for speedy deletion yourself using {{db}} (actually {{db|your reason}}). - Mgm| 22:18, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I wasn't sure if it was my place to ask for it to be deleted or not, hence the question. But anyhow, thanks for the help. Ollie 22:24, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

June 21

Yoshiaki Omura AfD/Legal Exposure Question

I think it advisable that someone senior in WP hierarchy consider the Yoshiaki Omura entry for possible legal exposure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TealCyfre (talk • contribs)

• Apologies for the solecism, wasn't logged in. TealCyfre 05:35, 21 June 2006 (UTC) *Points* Look, there it is ! ! !

Problems with gallery images not appearing

I put a gallery of three Commons images onto the Zacharias Heinesen page. Only two of them appear. I have tried various ways around this but without success. The images are shown on the right, and all appear without problem.

Here is what happens when I put them in a gallery:

• Sunrise
• Úti á Reyni
• The artist's mother

What am I doing wrong? Thanks in anticipation. Euchiasmus 05:11, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Change "%27" to "'":

• Sunrise
• Úti á Reyni
• The artist's mother

--Rob 05:54, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks - I've repaired the page successfully :) Euchiasmus 06:02, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Edit history of a Section?

Sometimes in looking at an article of some length I want to find out the history of a section of it, or of a particular sentence. Generally to see how long it's been in the article (a day? a week? a year?) and sometimes to see who put it in. Is that possible? For many articles, especially those that get vandalized every day such as Dick Cheney, the article's edit history is practically impossible to use, but might be practical if you could filter it by changes to just a particular section. --Mathew5000 05:53, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that is possible due to the Misplaced Pages architecture. --WinHunter 06:58, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

• User:AmiDaniel wrote an external program to find out who first entered a certain piece of text into an article. It's called WhoDunnit. See his userpage for more information. - Mgm| 07:35, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Though this tool has heavy limitations, which includes but not limited to: Very limited history is searched, cannot search who remove something and all article blanking vandal revert will be counted as the addition of text (thus IE popup and stopped searching). So I think this tool is not so useful especially in a heavily vandalised page. --WinHunter 08:01, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

• I could be mistaken, but doesn't it go back to the first edition. Last time I used it, I seem to remember the original editor being listed on a certain edit, instead of the person who reverted to it later. Of course, you could ask Daniel whether I'm right or not. - Mgm| 08:49, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

type of blast furnace

sir i want to ask if cupola is a type of blast furnace and if yes please provide some specifications on it viz.standard size,blast required, fundamental difference between various blast furnaces. where is it used in the world & specifically in India.202.88.175.24

I believe you may want to ask this question in the appropriate Reference Desk. --WinHunter 10:36, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

What is the template, or how do you make sections have (show/hide) buttons?

You know, so you can hide bits of the page 'til you expand it with the button, like you see on lots of users' pages? When I look at them, if it's a template, it's been subst'd, so I still don't know. The closest thing I could find was {{anote}}, but I couldn't get that to work with anything over 1 line of text. Am I just using it wrong, or is there another one? -Goldom ‽‽‽ ⁂ 12:53, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

• I've got it now. -Goldom ‽‽‽ ⁂ 15:00, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

History of Chandravanshi Dynasty

Dear Sir,

I want to know the history of Chandravanshi Dynasty / Janjua Dynastry / Kahar, How the caste of chandravanshi converted into the name of "Kahar" and the huge dynasty of chandravanshi where gone from India Raja Janak, Raja Pura, Pandav, Kuru, Kans, Jarasandh where is the dynasty are today in india ?

Dilip Kr. Verma — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.161.81.181 (talk • contribs)

Removed email address and postal address to prevent poster receiving spam, jam, ham and other foodstuffs. EvocativeIntrigue _{TALK | EMAIL} 14:50, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I think you may want to ask this in Humanities Reference desk --WinHunter 13:29, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

SEARCH LIST

HOW DO I DELETE THE SEARCH LIST? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.40.20.197 (talk • contribs)

Can you be more specific? I'm not sure what you're talking about. --Sam Blanning 18:02, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

If you mean the history of previous searches, be it here or on any website - go to tools, internet options, content tab, autocomplete button, clear forms. This is assuming Windows and Internet Explorer. -Goldom ‽‽‽ ⁂ 20:37, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Threats

I just came across what appears to me to be a veiled death threat made against a group of other Wiki users. Naturally I'm quite concerned about this. Is there a place to report such abuses? Thankyou. Gatoclass 20:15, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

• WP:AN/I should put it to the attention of admins who can take appropriate action. - Mgm| 20:52, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Soccer Question

which country invented soccer?

You should post this on the Humanities Refernence Desk (WP:RD/H). Be sure to sign your question with four tildes (~~~~). Emmett5 20:48, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

• It wasn't a country that invented soccer. I'm positive a person did it. - Mgm| 20:54, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

To be more helpful: Soccer#History and development has a lot of information, but the question should be more specific. Games similar to soccer have been played throughout history. I suspect you want to know not where the game was invented, but which country set up the current rules of the game, which our article answers. - Mgm| 20:57, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

It was first played in England and has been played since the middle ages though the matches then basically just a huge fight to get the ball into the goal with hundreds of players on each team. The first rule book was in 1863 written by The Football Association (the english FA).

financial question

letter of credit payable on sight. what does this mean? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.163.100.11 (talk • contribs)

This help desk is for questions about Misplaced Pages. Questions like yours will get a better response at one of our reference desks. --Cherry blossom tree 22:18, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Unresponsive controversial editors

What is the best way to deal with an editor making controversial edits who is completely unresponsive to messages on their talk space, and requests in the reverts and any subsequent edits to take it to the talk page of the article, especially when its a part of the article thats already under discussion? I'm not talking they make an edit, you put an edit on their talk page and they immediately make another edit again. I'm talking say over the period of an hour or two, over 3 or 4 articles? --Crossmr 22:35, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

There are various solutions at Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution, of varying severity. If the other user refuses to engage in any of them then you might want to post the details at the administrator's noticeboard to see if anyone wants to intervene. --Cherry blossom tree 22:43, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm bookmarking that. He seems to have calmed down now, but I'm not sure how useful any of those will be if he refuses to goto a talk page (heck his edits didn't even include a response to what I was saying, he just kept putting the stuff back). --Crossmr 22:49, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

finding my article in the search function

Hi - I created an article on the audiovisual industry but when i conduct a search using these terms it doesn't come up - can you help me? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Talywalsh (talk • contribs) 22:36, 21 June 2006.

What search terms are you using to search for it? --Crossmr 22:39, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Here is your article: Professional audiovisual industry. Mo-Al 22:39, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I believe it takes a little while for new pages to show up in searches, so hold out! Gyre 18:30, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

You can find your previous edits by clicking on the "My contributions" button at the top of the screen. Road Wizard 22:06, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Death threats are fun!

Say if "user a" makes a death threat aginst "user b" in an edit summary, and it's highly possible that "user a" can carry out the threat, what should "user a" do? "user b" 23:22, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Such action violated No personal attacks. You can first leave {{npa}}, {{npa2}}, and {{npa3}} (No personal attack warnings) in the talk page of the user concerned, if he don't listens then you can report that to Personal attack intervention noticeboard. (For detailed guidelines see the noticeboard)--WinHunter 23:29, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

What if the events happened already? see here Pacific Coast Highway 23:30, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

If it's actually a plausible death threat, post a comment describing the situation (concisely, clearly, without invective, and – ideally – with diffs) on the incidents page of the administrators' noticeboard. Alternatively, contact an active administrator by email, if you don't want the complaint to be publicly visible. Such complaints should be acted upon quite rapidly. (Note that implausible death threats are also frowned upon, but may not result in quite as rapid or thorough a response.) TenOfAllTrades(talk) 23:35, 21 June 2006 (UTC) amended 23:41, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Is "I have a picture of you" plausible enough to post to the Administrators Noticeboard? Pacific Coast Highway 23:44, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

The behavior to which you linked is completely out of line. If you don't post on AN/I, I will. Powers 00:19, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Briefly, I suspect that the editor is behaving in an immature manner and doesn't mean anything that he says. Rather, I imagine that his remarks were for shock value and nothing more. He's been warned, and if he persists I won't hesitate to block him (and I would advise any other admin to do the same). TenOfAllTrades(talk) 01:22, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

...And he's now blocked for 24 hours. That block will be lengthened if necessary. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 01:40, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

June 22

Unsigned comment on talk pages

I posted a comment to a talk page and forgot to sign it. I also was not logged in. So should I: 1) Post again from that IP address attributing the comment to my account; 2) Let it be; or 3) Something else? Thanks. --Silvaran 01:25, 22 June 2006 (UTC) (<-- Hah! I remembered.)

Just go ahead and sign the existing comment while logged in. It happens frequently. --GraemeL 01:31, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Unecessary list?

(I have asked about this before, but didn't get a clear answer) Is there any Misplaced Pages policy which would clear up the issue of the article Drina, specifically whether it is okay to list all of the towns a river passes through, and whether it counts as notable? Mo-Al 18:37, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

In my opinion, the article seems to be substantial enough to remain as it is: the listing is a little on the tedious side, perhaps, but is a useful reference to anyone wishing to know which towns do pass through it. The only guide I can offer you at the moment is Thames and Seine. EvocativeIntrigue _{TALK | EMAIL} 21:14, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

page / info does not show up

I recently submitted additional info on the Post Production page, adding the company "LaserPacific" to the page and also submitting info for that company on its own page. Neither of that shows up -- but it looked like it was there immediately after adding. Can you tell me what might be the reason?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Trhode (talk • contribs)

See and LaserPacific - A KODAK Company (which should probably have its name changed and be rewritten to be less of an ad). · rodii · 21:50, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

How do I alter the header (to delete "A Kodak Comapny"?)

You can't, per se. You would have to move the article to the new title, which you can do after you've been a member for a few days. I'll do it for you. Oops, looks like someone already did it. After that, you might want to read WP:CORP, which discusses the question of notability for corporations. And please sign your comments by putting four tildes (~~~~) after them. · rodii · 22:12, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh, it was you! OK, then. :) · rodii · 22:13, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. Yes, I went to the FAQ section and saw how to "move" the title. Appreciate your help. I am a newbie  :-) Trhode 22:16, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

dvd music only on disc.

I wish to know how can I place wav. and/or mp3 music on dvd disc only. Not with video at all. Also be able to play back on different types of players, cd player, dvd player, and/or laptop micosoft format. Thanks Paul

This page is for asking questions about how to edit Misplaced Pages. For more general knowledge questions, please visit the Reference desk. Road Wizard 22:00, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

My Wiki article "reads like an advertisement"

I just submitted an article (Murphy Rebel Aircraft) for the Misplaced Pages. I tried to keep it as straight forward and factual as I could - but the page has a "header in a block" that says "this article reads like an advertisement" I have followed many pages trying to find how to reword it so that it is "acceptable" to Wiki - but at the end of the day (2 AM in the morning actually) I can't see how to "de-advertise" a factual article about a kit built aircraft ?!?

I didn't want to write a wafly article that went on & on about personal junk - just a straight forward / useful information one

ALSO (and please be aware , that I am NO computer junkie ) I cannot figure out HOW to "Tag" my photo (to go with the article) - so that it will be accepted to appear WITH the article :o( Again- I followed many link pages - but nothing makes sense to me ... (and this IS my first ever attempt to contribute an article too)

I found my photot on the "untagged photos " page (VH-REB at Ayers Rock airport) - but I just can't figure out HOW to "tag" it

Thanks Rick Harper user Rebel541 Rebel541 22:36, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi, welcome to Misplaced Pages! To tag your image, go to Image:VH-REB at Ayers Rock .jpg, click edit this page, and add one of these tags.

To add your image to the article, use ] on the article.

For more info please see the note I left on your talk page.

BTW, you can automatically sign your name by writing ~~~~. WP 22:52, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi Rick. My suggestion is to let Misplaced Pages process your article a bit. Looking it over, I think the problem is less that it reads like an ad as that it needs "wikification." I'll change the template (now you'll see a different box); let's see what getting some other eyes on it will accomplish. Don't worry too much about it. · rodii · 22:59, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree, I don't think the article necessarily reads like an advertisement. It's just a standard new short article - thanks for contributing! One minor point: try not to use Wiki as an abbreviation for Misplaced Pages. Wiki is a general term for editable websites such as these. --Kwekubo 23:06, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

please could you delete this hole message. thank you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Petra999 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.109.107.233 (talk • contribs)

HTML Forms

Dear Help Desk,

I would like to add a back button using HTML forms or javascript in wikipedia. Do i need special permissions to do them. Please provide relevant information with regards to this query to mailto:bhanu_vijay@yahoo.com

Thanks bhanu — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vijbhanu (talk • contribs)

June 23

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