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pace of archiving

Does this page get cleaned up a lot? It seems kind of empty. 92.235.168.144 (talk) 16:04, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

I think I am in agreement. I think the page is being archived too frequently. Bus stop (talk) 16:26, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

I cannot find the archives - or do you delete it ? So that means it is not a safe place to put possibly important information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.220.186.57 (talk) 18:35, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

The links to archives are at the top of the page immediately above the 'search' box. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:38, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

You can read about talk pages here. Note that nothing is "lost"--besides the archives, one can always look at the page history, which is reached by clicking the "View history" tab at the top of the page. Valfontis (talk) 19:31, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

2004 Tours

Not mentioned at all in this article? Amy toured the UK twice in 2004 to promote Frank.

April & May 2004: Liverpool, Manchester, Nottingham, Leeds, Norwich, Bristol, Brighton, Warwick, London Shepherd's Bush. Support: Tyler James

November: Liverpool, Sheffield, Newcastle, Nottingham, Norwich, Birmingham, Manchester, Folkstone, Bristol, Southampton, Brixton. Support: Professor Green

She also supported Jamie Cullum on his 2003 UK Tour.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.150.2.4 (talk) 15:16, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Live Performance

The Croatian newspaper source quoted as "local press" to infer that Winehouse was forced ontothe stage refers back to The Sun's story which was then quoted in other sources. There has been no clear photographic or video evidence published anywhere that Winehouse was physically forced onstage and this insinuation is wholly defamatory and should be removed. The allegation was obviously contentious If not ,at least for editorial balance a further sentence should be inserted (which appeared in the original articles where this story appeared..) " a spokesperson for Winehouse denied Kida's account of events, saying that the singer walked onstage voluntarily with a friend." .--87.194.236.47 (talk) --87.194.236.47 (talk) 16:20, 22 August 2011 (UTC)paul m

Death

Quoting from Mitch Winehouse's eulogy ,asif it was fact as to the last hours of the deceased life is suspect. Mitch Winehouse was out of the country at the time and therefore his account consists of partial hearsay.--87.194.236.47 (talk) 16:34, 22 August 2011 (UTC)pm 22/8/11

Even though I feel it makes it a harder read I added that Mitch was in New York and made sure to the best of my ability that the readers understand this is Mitch's account. In my humble opinion whether Mitch was in New York or London makes no difference as to the reliability of his account as even by his account he was not with her. But I am not going to delete the material because I do believe it meets the verifiable but not necessarily the truth and notability guidelines. That all being said I hope unlike some other rock star/celebrity death articles every time somebody writes a book claiming some conspiracy theory it does not end up in the article. Edkollin (talk) 17:15, 23 August 2011 (UTC).

Thank you. The article appears more objective because it is now explicit that the account is hearsay as opposed to eye witness and therefore leaves the reader in no doubt without having to search . For me it makes a difference to the reliability of the paragraph when readers are reading historically rather than with contemporaneous memory. It might ,with the Coroner's inquest being adjourned to October,be an idea to have a separate paragraph entitled "Eulogy" which could reflect that narrative. If something merely need to be verifiable and not the truth, one might question why the account of the drug dealer who claimed to sell Ms Winehouse drugs the night before she died has not been included? --87.194.236.47 (talk) 18:40, 23 August 2011 (UTC)PM

last 2 sentences of paragraph entitled "Death"

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Rather than "Results of toxicology tests were released" as if implying an official document in totem was released into the public domain by Coroners' officials wouldn't the reader would be more accurately informed if the article reads that" The Winehouse family released a statement" etc?.--87.194.236.47 (talk) 18:54, 23 August 2011 (UTC).? pm

Yes, I think so. The source that was added (The Washington Post blog) omitted "who", and who should be the subject of the sentence. I'll try to fix that. Thanks. -SusanLesch (talk) 00:40, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

There is a grammar mistake "According her fathers account" should be "father's". --90.220.76.157 (talk) 08:44, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Done. -SusanLesch (talk) 16:26, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

And there's another obvious mistake with what you highlighted, fixed that as well Egg Centric 16:32, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Video

< Redacted by ATG - YouTube copyvio > AndyTheGrump (talk) 11:23, 3 September 2011 (UTC) She died at 27 before her 28th birthday? Maybe I should die before my 28th birthday. I'm a singer and I will die young.

Cause of Death

The recent inquest concluded it was Death by misadventure. I wonder if we should create a category by this name?(mercurywoodrose)66.80.6.163 (talk) 15:37, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Janis Seaton (Janis Winehouse)

Her mother's maiden name is Seaton, and this is reported in news articles throughout Google. Why was that removed? ★Dasani★ 02:38, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Last night

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Shouldn't the article mention that she was seen buying drugs on the night before her death? (92.7.21.173 (talk) 15:56, 9 March 2012 (UTC))

You're going to have to give a reliable source for that ((WP:RS). Not done. -SusanLesch (talk) 16:13, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

It was reported in every single newspaper, including the Telegraph. (92.7.21.173 (talk) 18:48, 9 March 2012 (UTC))

So provide a link to a reliable source that reports this as fact, rather than as the 'claims' of persons unknown. "Toxicology tests showed there were no illegal substances in her system when she died". AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:04, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Incidentally, for no very obvious reason, the Daily Mail 'article' I link above was included in the 'Further reading' section. I've removed it as unsourced tabloid nonsense. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:12, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

The Telegraph, the best and most reliable UK broadsheet newspaper, mentioned the story, so this article should as well. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/entertainment/heartbroken-amy-winehouse-lost-boyfriend-buys-drugs-before-death-in-new-claims/story-e6frewyr-1226100939580 (92.7.21.173 (talk) 19:44, 9 March 2012 (UTC))

Garbage. The Telegraph did not report the story as factual; it reported that tabloids were making the claim based on anonymous sources. Per WP:NOTNEWS, this is just the sort of routine celebrity journalism that doesn't merit encyclopedic status. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 20:36, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

All those many people can't have been wrong. (92.7.21.173 (talk) 21:52, 9 March 2012 (UTC))

We don't base article content on what we think is right or wrong - though the coroner's report makes it clear these 'many people' were wrong - we base article content on what reliable sources say. Anonymous tabloid tittle-tattle isn't a reliable source. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:00, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 10 March 2012

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The last section 'Further Recordings' is very poorly sourced and makes little sense 79.140.207.129 (talk) 11:04, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

 Done Section removed. mabdul 13:36, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Question ~ Genre:Pop

I think this article is missing the genre; pop. Are there any objections to it being added? Brad7777 (talk) 22:01, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Amy Winehouse - other ventures

Hi,

I'd like to draw attention to the fact that Mitch Winehouse's forthcoming biography of Amy, 'Amy, My Daughter', isn't featured on this page. It's going to be published on 5th July 2012 in the UK by HarperCollins Publishers.

How would I go about adding this info in? I would think it'd be best placed in 'Other Ventures', as this is where the biography 'Saving Amy' is mentioned. Or perhaps in 'Final Projects', as an afterword to the 'Lioness' album being mentioned.

I read that the book features a good deal of personal memorabilia that Amy owned, so it's as close to an autobiography as we're going to get. Exciting - and saddening.

http://www.thebookseller.com/news/mitch-winehouse-memoir-hc.html

Thanks Becky BeckyGlass (talk) 19:00, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Typo on death date - Death paragraph

Under the death paragraph, page currently reads: One such relapse led to her death by alcohol intoxication in the morning hours of 23 July 2012.

The page should read: One such relapse led to her death by alcohol intoxication in the morning hours of 23 July 2011.

I would change, but it's locked due to vandalism...

 Done Thanks for the report I have corrected the year. Keith D (talk) 22:27, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

On the night before her death

Shouldn't the article mention that various newspapers reported that Winehouse was seen buying drugs at 10:30 on the night before her death? http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/entertainment/heartbroken-amy-winehouse-lost-boyfriend-buys-drugs-before-death-in-new-claims/story-e6frewyr-1226100939580 (92.7.20.126 (talk) 15:12, 28 July 2012 (UTC))

Charity Work

I think we should put stuff in about her charity work on this page. Amy Winehouse supported many charities throughout her short life. She was once named pop worlds most charitable act and was known as a soft touch among the charity community. There are hundreds of charities she donated to especially children's charities, she donated vast amounts of her wealth, time and her music to them. It should be mentioned under the personal life section, I think, as all this mentions is her bad stuff. I would add this myself but I can't edit as it is locked, fucking vandals they ruin it for the rest of us. I can add the links about her charity work if you think it should be added. --Zolfianyarvelling (talk) 17:44, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

I am still a bit rusty with how to source things but her are the links to prove that I am not talking BS.

http://www.oyvagoy.com/2012/07/20/amy-winehouse-a-legacy-of-love/

http://nut.bz/2u8a4wgw/

Iw ill get more but TBH I am still unsure how to provide links. Can someone please tell me how the to do that. Whenever I try and post a link to a page like the telegraph or the sun it just takes me to their website not the page how do I post it to the page. --Zolfianyarvelling (talk) 15:45, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi I just learned how to reference things properly I have now provided references to all of those things I said and some kind contributor has sorted out my lame writing this discussion is now closed thanks. --Zolfianyarvelling (talk) 14:55, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Further recordings

Other than the rare songs for her 3rd album, there are a few extra possible songs that could be released that wern't on her apparent final album. These are the cover versions of 4 songs, 3 of which were performed live on jools holland's xmas hootenanny show prior to 2010. The bbc also broadcast another cover song called monkey man. There is also a guitar solo version of 'no greater love' available via P2P.

Those songs are part of a new album --Xaxlo (talk) 15:23, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Minor Additions

Just a few minor things that could be added; she played piano which is missing from the instrument section (see YouTube link). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1tpzBnbL04

Also, the 'Death' section makes mention of tributes; Patti Smith wrote the song 'This Is The Girl' as a tribute to Amy on her Banga album which seems noteworthy. Also, as mentioned above there's an "Amy Winehouse at the BBC" collection being released which may be worth including. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.143.198.23 (talk) 13:15, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

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Hi I would like to request a link from this page to Children of the Andes. Children of the Andes is mentioned in charity work section of this page and I would like request the link from Children of the Andes to the following website: http://www.childrenoftheandes.org/pages/what-we-do.html

Thank you

Children of the Andes (talk) 14:45, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Not done:. Please see the policy on external links. —KuyaBriBri 19:19, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

I would suggest creating a Misplaced Pages article about Children of the Andes and linking to that. You can add your external link to the new article. Hamsterlopithecus (talk) 14:59, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Citation reference - Amy Winehouse: The Next Tragic Talent?, New York Observer

The first sentence in this article reads as follows: Amy Jade Winehouse (14 September 1983 – 23 July 2011) was an English singer and songwriter known for her powerful deep contralto vocals... However citation does not reference any of the facts portrayed here. I am going to remove this citation but I will leave it here for future reference to this incident. -Hamsterlopithecus (talk) 14:50, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Dos

I dont see it on here but the thirteenth track on Green Day's Dos! album is dedicated to her so someone needs to add this BlackDragon 02:08, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Influence

Amy has inspired more than just Adele and Lady Gaga. She also inspired Emeli Sande, Florence Welch,6h Paloma Faith and Misha B as well as Rebecca Ferguson and Azaelia Banks. We should mention those people too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hatefem (talk • contribs) 09:15, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

God fucking wikipedia are DRIVING ME CRAZY. There are like seventeen interviews with the likes of Emeli Sande, Jessie J, Paloma Faith, and Misha B WHERE THEY MENTION Amy Winehouse's influence on them but each time I try to provide a link every single last one of them says "sorry this site is on wikipedia's blacklist". WHAT THE FUCK, the sites I go to are trustworthy the Emili Sande one is the BBC's website, where they actually have a recording of Emili Sande herself saying that Back to Black inspired her to be fearless in her songwriting. But I can't provide a link to it because of some stupid little rule. How do I get round that for Fucks sake how is anyone supposed to edit these things properly if we can't include vital information that has the most reliable sources because of a stupid fucking little rule.--Zolfianyarvelling (talk) 13:50, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Regarding blacklisting, see Misplaced Pages:Spam blacklist for how it works. Regarding the particular links, without seeing them it is hard to say what the problem is, but the only reason I can think of for putting a BBC link on there is because of licensing concerns - they may not permit viewing video etc outside of the UK. Personally, I think that we'd be better off not including a performer as being 'influenced' without third party sources also suggesting that there actually was an influence. AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:34, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

I hear you and that probably is the problem with the BBC links. It is just so annoying though because it is actually a source that is completely trustworthy, it is a recording of Emeli Sande herself saying that Back to Black was a huge influence on her songwriting, it isn't just some critics observation that Emeli Sande sounds like Amy Winehouse it is Emeli Snade herself. You should be able to find it by simply typing in Amy Winehouse, Emeli Sande into google. The Paloma Faith, Jessie J and Misha B sources are also interviews or statements by these artists themselves the Sande one is the best as it is a speaking interview and not just written, though the other sources are still trustworthy. Misha B on her facebook page lists Amy as one of her influences. Amy is there in Misha's likes section alongside the other artists that have inspired her the most. Ironically many artists critics claim inspired Misha are not in there, but Amy is. Jessie J even dedicated her win at the Mobo's to Amy, whilst Paloma did a big massive tribute to her on her facebook page called Goodnight Amy, where she herself says Amy paved the way for her and all others like her. Its annoying all of these sources that are reliable going to waste. Also sorry about the swearing earlier I was having a bit of a hectic time I know that is no excuse but I am sorry anyway. I will try and find other sources but until then I guess you can delete what I wrote about her inspiring these women as I only wrote it as I thought I had the sources on hand. --Zolfianyarvelling (talk) 15:41, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Musical influence

Her "greatest love" was NOT girl groups from the '60s. She said many times in interviews that she started listening to soul and girl groups a year and half prior to the release of Back to Black. Her GREATEST LOVE and influence was always jazz, primarily Sarah Vaughan and Dinah Washington. She learned how to sing by imitating Dinah Washington. Iggy Ax (talk) 12:10, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Sinatra photo necessary?

I understand using the Ronettes photo to illustrate how their physical look inspired Winehouse, but I don't see the point from an image use perspective of including a photo of Frank Sinatra. 70.72.221.229 (talk) 15:08, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

I agree; it seems unnecessary. Ulmanor (talk) 19:50, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

additional content relating to Amy's final hours

Amy Winehouse was scheduled to appear as the headline act at the Paléo music festival in Nyon, Switzerland, on Saturday the 23rd July 2011 but she was found dead at her home on the morning of that day. Mika was able to stand-in for Amy and opened his set with a touching tribute to her. Richardremlap (talk) 22:19, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

 Not done The reference you link merely states that Winehouse was due to perform. It says nothing about Mika, or a tribute. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:31, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Real Talk Misplaced Pages

Locked sources make me laugh, especially with your horrific grammar. Instead of embarrassing yourselves; Unlock sources and let readers (WHO HAVE BETTER GRAMMAR THAN YOUR SYSOPS OR ADMINISTRATORS OR WHATEVER) cleanse your website that's supposed to be an encyclopedia.

- 69.248.94.49 (talk) (Skinny)

 Not done Don't be bitter: Start an account. Or list examples here for other editors to follow up on.--Aichik (talk) 02:42, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Excessive moralizing

One of the criticisms that prevented this article from reaching good article status is the length of the controversy and personal life sections. In an attempt to trim these, I've cut this part out of controversy as I feel that it's not completely honest about the media frenzy around this woman: tabloids competed to get the most controversial stuff out as quickly as possible to sell papers. Hope others agree.--Aichik (talk) 14:31, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Speaking at a discussion titled "Winehouse or White House?: Do we go too big on showbiz news?" Jeff Zycinski, head of BBC Radio Scotland, said the BBC and media in general were complicit in the destruction of celebrities like Winehouse. He said that public interest in the singer's lifestyle does not make her lifestyle newsworthy. Rod McKenzie editor of the BBC Radio One program Newsbeat replied that "If you play music to a certain demographic, those same people want to know what's happening in her private life. If you don't cover it, you're insulting young license fee payers."

References

There appears to be a problem with the short form references, such as "Winehouse, Mitch & 2012 p. 55", that do not link to anything giving the full detail. Keith D (talk) 11:29, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

 Not done How is this a problem? Look at the notes sections for Charlotte Bronte and Margaret Thatcher. I will change the first reference so it's more clear (even though the aforementioned articles don't do this), but really.--Aichik (talk) 14:36, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Looking at either of the articles you quote, clicking on the short references takes you to an entry giving the full details of the reference. Clicking on the entries in this article do not take you to the full details. Keith D (talk) 22:48, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

debut v. début

One is the British English AND American English spelling, the other French Here is your evidence, the Oxford English dictionary. I'm trying to get rid of the hidden tag for French spellings this article has. Please don't keep reverting it to the French spelling; we're trying to promote it to a Good Article. thanks--Aichik (talk) 19:34, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

This site (www.oxforddictionaries.com) is not the Oxford English Dictionary (OED). You’ll find the OED at www.oed.com. You’ll need a subscription to use the OED fully. You may be able to use theOED at home through your local public library ...

The above external-link is to OxfordDictionaries.com (not OED.com) – Please adjust the display-text accordingly.

The word "début" has entries in both the OED and the Google Chrome spell-checker's British English lexicon – "debut" has no entry in either. Also see: OED.com's "début" entry _{(membership required)}. – Ian, DjScrawl (talk) 00:12, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

I support debut because good English doesn't support accents♫ SqueakBox talk contribs 01:13, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

"début" seems hypercorrective.
Ulmanor (talk) 04:32, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Also, the OED noun entry may be titled "début", but the most recent quotation included, from the Daily Telegraph, is " The day's newcomer to the equity sections, Hilton's Footwear, made a rather disappointing debut."
Ulmanor (talk) 04:48, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

The accented version is also not used in American English, per Merriam-Web: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/debut. (Thanks for the catch on OED.)--Aichik (talk) 16:52, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Amy Winehouse/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Chiswick Chap (talk · contribs) 14:39, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

I'll take this on. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:39, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

GA Table

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	Needs a little work, see Comments. Now up to the required standard. Substantial further polishing would be needed for FA.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	lead: ok; layout: ok; weasel: ok; fiction: n/a; lists: n/a.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	One missing, see Comments.
	2c. it contains no original research.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).	Good focus and evenness of coverage.
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.	Much recent editing but not too much debate.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	Most have explicitly been checked by robot or administrator. All are suitably tagged.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.
	7. Overall assessment.	An enjoyable and informative article with wide coverage and suitable sourcing.

Comments

Firstly, what a pleasure to review such an informative and well-constructed article.

• 'critically successful'. Perhaps 'liked by critics' as less like journalese.Y--Aichik (talk) 03:08, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

• 'to young Amy'. Perhaps 'to the young Amy': not over-keen on use of first names, though in the family context it may be the easiest solution - it could be avoided with 'to her when she was young', etc. Y--Aichik (talk) 03:08, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

• It doesn't matter here at GA but the references are not consistently formatted - some use cite format, some have hand-embedded URLs, etc, some use 'sfn' short format.

• 'It went to number one on the UK Albums Chart numerous times,' -- it stayed at #1 for a while, or it bounced up and down in the chart repeatedly? Maybe say how long it stayed there, or how many bounces it made. Y--Aichik (talk) 12:57, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

• 'because of the inclusion by her record label of certain songs and mixes she disliked.' Perhaps a tad klunky; maybe 'because her record label had included ...' Y--Aichik (talk) 03:08, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

• 'she'd put in on a CD and play it in his taxi' - I guess this is 'she'd put it on a CD...' (typo)

• Perhaps should avoid "she'd" also (that applies throughout the article).

Could you cite where in Misplaced Pages or other rules that says we can't use short forms? thank you--Aichik (talk) 03:08, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Let's not argue. I don't believe it's rigidly forbidden, just that it feels light in WP:TONE rather than encyclopedic; for the record, the style essay (it's not policy) says "in a businesslike manner", whatever that might mean. I shan't fail the article on such grounds, but I suspect any copy-editor would at once make the change.Y--Aichik (talk) 16:33, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

This has not been done - kindly do not strike my comments, that's my job. The question of tone may be relevant in future so it should remain on file.

• 'citing doctor advice to take a complete rest.' - maybe 'citing her doctor's advice...' or 'citing medical advice...'.

Y--Aichik (talk) 03:08, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

• 'She performed what was described as a polished set which ended with her storming off the stage. Her hour late arrival caused her set to be cut off at the halfway point due to a curfew.' So, she stormed off, or she was cut off? I think she was asked to stop and so stormed off - if so, please say so.Y--Aichik (talk) 03:08, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

• 'Universal Music pressed her regarding new material in 2008,' - perhaps 'pressed her for new material...'

Y--Aichik (talk) 03:08, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

• Jeff Zycinski said - citation needed. I fixed the reported speech.

• 'Other artists that have credited Winehouse as a major influence as well for paving the way for them include Emeli Sandé, Misha B, Jessie J, Paloma Faith, Lana Del Rey, and Florence Welch.' - perhaps 'who have...', and it's correctly marked as needing citations.

Y--Aichik (talk) 03:43, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

That's a big improvement, thank you.

• Other changes are being made to the article that do not appear to be in response to this GAN. If this instability continues the GA may well fail on criterion 3.5.

My emphases on the last so that others are also aware.--Aichik (talk) 02:52, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks. We're almost there, just a couple of items (above) to be done. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:42, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, too. I've been doing 2+4 for weeks. When I've time, I'll muck-in by: scanning 2b; then check/fix 2 and/or check/fix 4 (with the aim of leaving them in good-order or; flagging <dead link>/<fact>s and/or noting 'original research' (I guess it's best to start a talk for instances of OR). ... I hope that suits. Perhaps my Rel-yr:2013 tracks released this year radio _{catalogue control} will help work. :D – Ian, DjScrawl (talk) 19:27, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

My sense, DJ, is that it's fine at this point. We'll attend to again when we want to get this to FA status;)--Aichik (talk) 13:03, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

GA?

Nice job, everyone!
Ulmanor (talk) 05:07, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Cutting to deal with withdrawl

Do we have other sources for the bit about Blake and Amy cutting themselves to ease the pain of (crack or heroin) withdrawal in the "Relationships" section? The Times, the current source, is known to exaggerate to sell papers (for example they said Mila Kunis lost 25 lbs. for her role in The Black Swan, whereas every other paper has said 20.) Not to mention that Mitch Winehouse's bio doesn't mention anything about this. I'm inclined to take this out. thanks--Aichik (talk) 16:21, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Please add this to the Further Reading Section under Books

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Books

• Howard Sounes. 27: A History of the 27 Club Through the Lives of Brian Jones, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison, Kurt Cobain, and Amy Winehouse. Da Capo Press, November 2013. ISBN 978-0-30682-168-4

Kllynnclntn (talk) 16:23, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Not done: This does not seem to be closely enough related to the subject to merit inclusion. Also, please read WP:BOOKSPAM. Regards, Celestra (talk) 22:36, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

New

as a fan ive added new info i picked up over the years. i'll expand it a bit this month. the bit i added was

SYLVIA YOUNG ASKED AMY WINEHOUSE TO LEAVE BECAUSE AMY WAS BORED AND IT WAS HOLDIND HER BACK — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.15.82.168 (talk) 08:37, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Edit warring

Can we please stop the edit warring? I have no view on the disagreement but I do hate the way it is affecting the article and its history. I've reported both editors - possibly erroneously, who knows? Please discuss it, don't just keep on reverting. Thanks and best wishes DBaK (talk) 21:51, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Well, first of all sorry for these "annoying" edits. I personnaly hate this kind of situation and avoid reverting other editors as much as possible but some users don't seem to understand Misplaced Pages have got plenty of rules which should be respected.

I only wanted to prove Winehouse was a rhythm and blues singer. If this genre died by the end of the 80's, Winehouse managed to bring it back to life during her short career, and here are three references which prove this is not my personal point of view :

Amy Winehouse is testament to the fact that almost every great female rhythm & blues singer is either a tough, southern black woman or a skinny white girl from London.

With her performances, which were not just confessional but determinedly hyper emotive, Winehouse risked a full embrace of classic rhythm and blues.

There was always a vexing contradiction between the sunny, buoyant rhythm-and-blues music that enchanted millions and the dismal, exasperating public spectacle she made of herself in tabloids and onstage.

And for the record, I just realized another editor restored the sources I brought to the article. Thus rhythm and blues should be kept and not being changed. Synthwave.94 (talk) 22:51, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Instead of me giving any reponse to this discussion for now, would you agree to my most recent edit to the article and leave it at that? As the genre in infobox is contemporary R&B, the sources you gave are inappropriate so I have therefore moved them to an appropriate part of the article which is in the lead section where it says "known for her deep contralto vocals and her eclectic mix of musical genres, including R&B, soul, jazz and reggae." Rhythm and blues would be the correct link there as it's saying exactly what her mix of genres are, that she was influenced by traditional R&B and that her music contains elements of it (as well as all the other genres mentioned). But due to the reliable sources I provided, the modern genre of today is contemporary R&B which I have already fully explained here on your talk page. Would you still want to waste time on this petty argument or leave it as this? – Hiddenstranger (talk) 12:36, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Mmmm... I don't see any other alternative to this problem. Even if you left "contemporary R&B" in the infobox, I appreciate the fact "rhythm and blues" is mentionned in the lead section. After all, it's in my opinion one of the most important section of the article. Mind you, I'm not going to waste my time (and your time by the same way) to continue discussing the issue, as it would be an obvious dead-end conversation. However, I think "rhythm and blues" should be written in full words, not as "R&B" (which is most often associated with "contemporary R&B" today). I have nothing else to say. Synthwave.94 (talk) 18:22, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

For most musicians of contemporary R&B, it says just R&B. For Jimi Hendrix, for example, rhythm and blues is called rhythm and blues, not R&B. I agree that having "R&B" twice in the article is confusing when they link to different articles each, so I've written it in full words.--Razionale (talk) 04:06, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks to Synthwave.94 and Razionale. Consensus now reached. – Hiddenstranger (talk) 07:15, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Signature

I'm wary of a signature labeled "Own work bassed on File:Amy-Winehouse-signature.jpg". The original looks different to me; I'd say this isn't really her signature.
Ulmanor (talk) 18:42, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

I talked about the same point to the person who made the vectorial signature. He said the he took the signature of a book of british singers... If you need the complete bibliography to this, I will asked him to fix the description of the file in Commons. --John Bálzamo (talk) 19:29, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd say we need some kind of citation. We can't just take someone's word for it, though I'm sure it was with good intentions.
Ulmanor (talk) 17:55, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Maybe someone can clean up and extract it from File:Amy-Winehouse-signature.jpg?
Ulmanor (talk) 17:59, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

I uploaded that, but I found it in Tumblr... That page can't be a realiable source... --John Bálzamo (talk) 18:01, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

1. Shepherd, Robert (2 July 2008). "''BBC news execs clash over celebrity coverage''". Broadcastnow.co.uk. Retrieved 18 August 2011.