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== Tabrisius ==

Can you just stop reveting an edit, that is clearly not vandalism, with the summary "removing vandalism". I remind you that this article is not your property ], and that you have to address other people respectfully and not slander them with false accusation of vandalism. We're not in a Mou9ata3a here ;) OK? --] (]) 14:32, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

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Figures and sources

I am very concerned about the accuracy of the figures re this articles. I've seen different figures changing but none is referenced. Could you please tell us guys about your references? -- FayssalF - 17:01, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

986 pattons? 200 T72?

real numbers are more like:

- (48) T-72 bought in 2002 to Bielorussia - (360) M-60 Patton (240) M-60 A1 in not working condition (120) M-60 A3 TTS bought from spain in 2008

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.126.10.233 (talk) 08:12, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

'Russian Brigade'

Pour les T-72bv y'a une brigade qui s'appelle là brigade Russe avec que du matérielle russe performent ( AT-11 pour les munitions ) elle et stationnées en partie prés de la frontière Algérienne ( le profil du T-72 et plus apte a la géographie qu'un M60A3TTS ) -http://www.air-defense.net/Forum_AD/index.php?topic=8464.105 Potentially '6eme BRB' Buckshot06 01:31, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Roughly: For the T-72BVs, there is a brigade which is called the 'Russian brigade' with which the material Russian is in use (AT-11 amongst others). The brigade is stationed in part near the Algerian frontier.

la-nouvelle- 4BI (Ben Slimane)sera equipée du SAR-21 & la nouvelle veste/gilet tactique. Coté M16 ya qq unites qui l'utilisent au sein des FAR comme à la GR(GISGR) http://far-maroc.forumpro.fr/materiel-et-infrastructure-des-far-f16/tous-vos-questions-sur-les-far-t3-30.htm Buckshot06 01:52, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Do you need to include the content into the article or just translate it? -- FayssalF - 03:02, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Needs translation. Buckshot06(prof) 19:49, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Translation -- For the T-72bv there is a brigade called the 'Russian Brigade' using performant Russian material (AT-11 as ammunitions). It is stationed, in part, near the Algerian border.

The new 4BI (Ben Slimane) will be equipped with SAR-21 and the new tactical ballistic vest. As for the M16 there are some units which are used by the Royal Moroccan Army such as the GISGR. -- FayssalF - 16:34, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

From Sp:Wiki

Needs translation and verification. Buckshot06(prof) 19:49, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Orden de Batalla Ejercito de Tierra De Marruecos

Se desglosa el orden de batalla de Ejército de Tierra Marroquí, en el cual se han organizado las unidades por zonas o ciudades donde tienen base estas fuerzas. Las unidades del Sector Fronteras y Norte pueden estar destacadas (o parte de ellas) en la actualidad en la zona del Sahara, ya que es normal la rotación periódica a la zona de unidades de otros sectores.

Translation (I'll translate the below table and verify the information later on) -- The order of battle of the Moroccan ground army is organized by units per zones or cities where they are based at. The border and northern units can be organized depending on the situation at the Sahara zone as it is normal for such units to be rotated periodically.
SECTOR FRONTERAS Y NORTE
Localidad Unidad Translation
Nador 25º Batallón de Infantería de Sector (BIS) (En Tauima) 25° Sectorial Infantry Battalion (in Tauima)
Oujda 2º y 8º Batallón de Infantería de Sector (BIS) 2° and 8° Sectorial Infantry Battalion
1er Grupo de Escuadrones a Caballo (En Ahfir y Berkane) 1st group of cavalry squadrons (in Ahfir and Berkane)
Bouarfa 4º batallón de Infantería de Sector (BIS) 4° Infantry Battalion
Alhucemas 1er y 2º Batallón de Desembarco de Infantería de Marina (Armada Marroquí) 1st and 2nd battalion of amphibious landing of infantry troops (Moroccan Army)
Fez 2º Batallón de Infantería de Guarnición (BIG) 2° Garrisoned Infantry Battalion
El Hajeb 3er Batallón de Infantería de Guarnición (BIG) 3rd Garrisoned Infantry Battalion
3er Batallón de Ingenieros 3rd Engineers Battalion
Guerif 3er Grupo de Escuadrones Blindados (GEB) 3rd Group of armoured squadrons
Meknes 7º Grupo de Artillería Real (Antiaérea) 7° Group of Royal Artillery (Anti-aircraft)
3er Batallón de Transmisiones 3rd Trasmissions Battalion
2º Batallón de Transporte 2° Transport Battalion
2º Batallón de Reparaciones 2° Repair Battalion
3er Batallón de Intendencia 3rd Intendency Battalion
Kenitra 1er Batallón de Transmisiones 1st Trasmissions Battalion
2º Batallón de Transporte 2° Transport Battalion
1er Batallón de Municionamiento 1st Ammunition Battalion
Rabat Batallón de la Guardia Real Royal Guard Battalion
1ª Brigada Paracaidista 1st Paratroopers' Brigade
Brigada Ligera de Seguridad Security Light Brigade
1er Batallón de Infantería de Guarnición (BIG) 1st Garrisoned Infantry Battalion
1er Batallón de Intendencia 1st Intendency Battalion
2º Batallón de Sanidad 2° Health Battalion
Temara 2º Grupo de Escuadrones a Caballo 2° Cavalry Squadrons Group
Kourriga 5º Grupo de Escuadrones Blindados (GEB) 5° Armoured Squadrons Group
Kasba Tadla Batallón de Esquiadores Skiers' Battalion
Errachidia 5º Regimiento de Infantería Mecanizada (RIMZ) 5° Mechanized Infantry Regiment
2º Grupo de Escuadrones Blindados (GEB) 2° Armoured Squadrons Group
Rissani 4º Batallón de Meharistas 4° Camel cavalry Battalion
Marrakech 2º Batallón de Infantería de Guarnición (BIG) 2° Garrisoned Infantry Battalion
Batallón de Municionamiento Ammunitions Battalion
Batallón de Intendencia Intendency Battalion
Ouarzarzate 9º Regimiento de Infantería Mecanizada (RIMZ) 9° Mechanized Infantry Regiment
9º Grupo de Escuadrones Blindados (GEB) 9° Armoured Squadrons Group
2º Grupo de Artillería Real 2° Royal Artillary Group
Zagora 3er Batallón del 9ºRIMZ 3rd Battalion, 9th Mech Inf Regt - see Ouarzarzate
Foum El Zaoud 4º Batallón del 9ºRIMZ 4rd Battalion, 9th Mech Inf Regt - see Ouarzarzate
Tata, Marruecos 37º Batallón de Infantería de Sector (BIS) 37° Sectorial Infantry Battalion
Foum El Hassan 17º Batallón de Infantería de Sector (BIS) 17° Sectorial Infantry Battalion
1er Batallón de Meharistas 1st Camel Cavalry Battalion
Agadir 1er Batallón de Transporte 1st Transport Battalion
3er Batallón de Sanidad 3rd Health Battalion
Bou Izarkam 4º Batallón de Ingenieros 4° Engineers Battalion
Compañía de Radares Radars Company
3er Batallón de Municionamiento 3rd Ammunitions Battalion
Sidi Ifni 3er Grupo de Artillería Real (ATP) 3rd Royal Artillary Group
Assa 3er Batallón de la BLS 3rd BLS(?) Battalion
Messeied 44º y 48º Batallón de Infantería de Sector (BIS) 44° and 48° Sectorial Infantry Battalion
Tan Tan 5º Grupo de Escuadrones Blindados (GEB) 5° Armoured Squadrons Group
Grupo de Intervención Paracaidista Paratroopers INtervention Group
1er Grupo de Artillería Real (ATP) 1st Royal Artillary Group
Zaag 2º Grupo de Artillería Real (Destacamento en Ouarzarzate) 2° Royal Artillary Group (detachment in Ouarzazate)
4º Grupo de Escuadrones Blindados (GEB) 4° Armoured Squadrons Group
14º y 29º Batallón de Infantería de Sector (BIS) 14° and 29°Sectorial Infantry Battalion
7ª Brigada de Infantería "Umud" 7th Infantry Brigade (Umud)
Jerbeichat "Comando Marcha Verde" Green March Commando
10ª Brigada de Infantería "El Arak" 10th Infantry Brigade (El Arak)
Abath 41º y 43º Batallón de Infantería de Sector (BIS) 41° and 43°Sectorial Infantry Battalion


SECTOR SAHARA
File:Tank Marocain-Polisario.jpg
Polisario T-54/T-55 tanks destroyed by the Royal Moroccan Army near Tifariti, in Western Sahara. Caption translation thanks to User:FayssalF
Localidad Unidad Translation
Smara 3er Batallón Paracaidista 3rd Paratroopers Battalion
5º Batallón de la Brigada Ligera de Seguridad (BLS) 5° Security LIght Brigade Battalion
3er y 11º Regimiento de Infantería 3rd and 11th Infantry Regiment
16º Batallón de Infantería de Sector (BIS) 16° Sectorial Infantry Battalion
4º y 9º Grupo de Artillería Real 4° and 9° Royal Artillary Group
6º Grupo de Artillería Real (ATP) 6° Royal Artillary Group
Daoura 8ª Brigada de Infantería 8th Infantry Brigade
El Aaiún 4º Batallón Paracaidista 4° Paratroopers Battalion
4º Batallón de la BLS 4° BLS Battalion
18º, 47º y 49º Batallón de Infantería de Sector (BIS) 18°, 47° and 49° Sectorial Infantry Battalion
5º Batallón de Meharistas 5° Camel Cavalry Battalion
7º Grupo De Escuadrones Blindados (GEB) 7° Armoured Squadrons Group
5º y 8º Grupo de Artillería Real 5°and 8° Royal Artillary Group
2º Batallón de Ingenieros 2° Engineers Battalion
3er Batallón de Transporte 3rd Transport Battalion
3er Batallón de Reparaciones 3rd Repair Battalion
2º Batallón de Intendencia 2° Intendency Battalion
2º Batallón de Saniidad 2° Health Battalion
Bojador 33º y 35º Batallón de Infantería de Sector (BIS) 33° and 35° Sectorial Infantry Battalion
Dakhla 1er y 22º Batallón de Infantería de Sector (BIS) 1st and 22° Sectorial Infantry Battalion
5º Batallón de Ingenieros 5° Engineers Battalion
3er Batallón de Desembarco de Infantería de Marina (Armada Marroquí) 3rd amphibious landing of infantry troops Battalion (Moroccan Army)
11º Regimiento de Infantería 11° INfantry Regiment
5º Batallón de Intendencia 5° Intendency Battalion
12º Grupo de Artillería Real 12° Royal Artillary Group
Bu-Craa 30º y 45º Batallón de Infantería de Sector (BIS) 30° and 45° Sectorial Infanntry Battalion
4º y 6º Regimiento de Infantería 4° and 6° INfantry regiment
4º Batallón BLS 4° BLS Battalion
11º Grupo de Artillería Real 11° ROyal Artillary Group

Order of Battle of the Moroccan Army 2006

Hi i am --Hispania2 (talk) 11:05, 8 March 2011 (UTC), and im editting the spanish page of FAR. The Order of Battle of the Moroccan Army since 2006 was published in this magazine but when i tried to link the places with their respective coordinates many of them had dissapeared. That's because in 2006 became a reorganization in FAR, and more that 100 new bases have been built. Many bases have been grouped, leading to larger bases and concentrated. The problem is that many of them don appear, Guelmin particularly, one of the most important. I found this article (in spanish) and I think it has less errors and is more graphic:


The deployment of the FAR is mainly concentrated in the south of the territory, specifically in the areas of Draa (header Guelmim) Saguia-al-Hamra (El Aaiun), Uad-ad-Dahbar (Dakhla) and Headquarters South Zone (Agadir). In this region are featured 3 Mechanized Infantry Brigade, 9 Mechanized Infantry Regiment, 25 Infantry Battalions sector (distributed in garrisons guarding the walls), 3 Parachute Battalions, 2 battalions of the Corps on camels, 4 Armoured Squadrons, 5 and 7 Squadrons reinforced Mechanized Artillery groupings. .) These units are protected by six wall sections that cover a distance of approximately 1,200 km. The walls consist of a protective stone and sand for 3 to 5 feet high, by 4 to 6 meters wide at its base. Are protected by a moat and in front of them is a barrier of barbed wire and mines. According to the sections, each 5 km there is a detachment type company and every 15 radar that provides data to a firing field artillery battery. Every 45-60 km there is a long-range radar.

On the other hand, there are relatively large forces in the border areas with Algeria Ouarzazate (1 Mechanised Infantry Regiment and 1 Cavalry Squadron Group), Er Rachidia (1 Mechanized Infantry Regiment, and 1 Cavalry Squadron Group) and Oujda (2 squads Groups AMX-10, 1 Artillery Group and 3 Infantry Battalions). Such a concentration of units shows that the main threat perceived by Morocco, Polisario Front then, comes from its neighbor to the east.

In the rest of the Moroccan almost no operating units: 1 Mountain Battalion, 3 squads (one armored, one mechanized and one third of Chivalry) and 1 Field Artillery Association. The rest are bodies logistical, bureaucratic, educational, representation (Royal Guard), or staff of outstanding units in the Sahara

The organization of the force is:

- 3 Mechanized Infantry Brigades
- 2 Airborne Brigades
- 1 Safety Light Brigade
- 8 Mechanized Infantry Regiments (each with two or three battalions)
- 1 Mountain Battalion
- 37 Infantry Battalions Sector
- 3 Motor and Camel Battalions
- 10 Groups of Armoured Squadrons
- 2 Horse Squadrons Groups
- 4 Special Operations Units
- 2 Airborne Battalions
- 12 Groups Propelled Artillery
- 3 Towed Artillery Groups
- 1 Air Defence Group
- 1 Transmissions Regiment
- 3 Regiments Sappers
- 5 Groups Logistics
- 4 Battalions Repair Material
- 3 Ordnance Battalion (Ammunition)
- 3 Transport Battalions

In general, the Moroccan army is provided with a material antiquated and submitted to a notable wear as consequence of the inclemencies of the Sahara Desert; nevertheless, it is to a great extent operative, constitutes an offensive considerable force, and it is possible to recognize him a defensive important character. The informative inscrutability that makes a detour to this topic impedes to know with accuracy the material of which they arrange the FAR. The tables that we attach are brought near, since in some cases it is a question of useless equipments that they have not been given of fall - case of any light cars of combat and of vehicles of combat of infantry - or it is a question of initial requests that they have not managed to concentrate. In opinion of some authors, the FAR would be the best army of the Maghrib; not so much for his material, minor in number that the Algerian and the Libyan, but for his operability and instruction.

The instruction of the troop and of the pictures of control is carried out across the national system of military formation and of the participation of Moroccan personnel in courses given in France, Spain and The United States, which include both the stage of academy, and specialized courses or Staff Officer's studies. The tactical doctrine is in his most of French origin, though also it contains own elements, result of the experiences of the military campaign of the Sahara. Regardless this, the degree of training of the human resources is low if it is compared with that of the pictures of control and troop of the armies of the Atlantic Alliance.

The logistics is based on 5 Logistic Groups, 4 Battalions of Repair of Material, 3 Ammunition's Battalions and 3 of Transport. An organization that can seem to be poor and defective, if it is compared with that of the European armies, but that has allowed for years to live and to attack more than 100.000 men opened to thousand kilometres of Rabat.

VT1A and M1Abrams

The purchase of 150 VT1A is already confirmed by many international medias...so there is no need to erase all the time the post.

As we can see in the link of M1 abrams, Moroccan GOV is already workin to purchase the tanks, is already preparing the know-how with American Army and the facilities, etc...

It is that enought to respect the aquisitions of both tanks and stop erasing it all the time??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.83.120.23 (talk) 17:16, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

So show me those 'international medias'. All that have ever been used as a citation are personal blogs, and Chinese propaganda sites. Find something that meets the criteria off a good reference, and it will stop getting deleted. Ditto with the M1 Abrams - Morocco is a potential
Addendum - Please look at your sources for the VT1A - None of them meet Misplaced Pages's guidelines for a reliable source. Please, please, please read WP:IRS. All you have right now is a bunch of fan sites, and second hand information that keeps getting passed around and creating a feedback loop. If Morocco has actually purchased these tanks, where's the official Moroccan newspapers or other legitimate media outlet publishing a piece on the buy? Where are the recognized Defense analysts and news sources like Jane's commenting on it? Don't you think it's funny that all you ever see are links from Chinese defense blogs, and forums which copy information from said Chinese defense blogs? No? Think here... - Jonathon A H (talk) 15:13, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

http://i41.servimg.com/u/f41/09/01/13/73/tacom-10.jpg http://contracting.tacom.army.mil/future_buys/FMSWRN.cfm

Confirmed purchase — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tabrisius (talkcontribs) 21:36, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Neither says anything of the sort. One says 'Estimated Future Buys', which means the vehicle sale is estimated, and the other says 'FY 12', which means July 2012-June 2013, which is also in the future. Discuss this on the talkpage and come to a reasonable wording, or you will be blocked for edit warring. Buckshot06 (talk) 21:44, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
If you only object to what's "on order" or "confirmed purchase" you could edit just that. You reverted other constructive changes. --Tachfin (talk) 22:17, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I was hasty. Too much dealing with nationalist POVwarriors. I've reverted myself, though removing the strange POV material seemingly copied from some government website. Buckshot06 (talk) 15:18, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, but you are wrong, I'm not an a "nationalist POVwarrior", event if I don't understand what POVwarrior means. Some info, is true that I found it in government webs, such as history or others, but i'm just trying to get this page more useful and accurate. If we couldnt get to a conclusion you could ask before shooting, cause as you could see, I found a way to put our two ideas in common, creating a "future purchases" part, having both reason in our expressions. Next time, if try to read the full history before imagining the ending. If you realy can read French, try to read the french version of this page, and see the diferences, and try to read the history of page, and see all my contributions, not only in this page but in others too. Tabrisius (talk) 18:58, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
I was not meaning to imply you were one of those who insisted upon their own Point of View though all indications to the contrary. I mean I've had too many run-ins with others (often on Azerbaijani Armed Forces) who do the same thing. The rest of my changes speak for themselves; I am not clear why the armed forces motto was here, for example. Buckshot06 (talk) 16:47, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
I apreciate your changes, I think is better this way. So Thanks ;) Tabrisius (talk) 11:45, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Shaba I (under Colonel Loubaris? - operation Bonite?)

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/Shaba_I Reference used: Chris Cook and John Stevenson. The Routledge Companion to World History Since 1914, 2005. Pages 321-322. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tabrisius (talkcontribs) 17:32, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Sure, I've seen that. Do you have further information? Buckshot06 (talk) 16:50, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
I've found this: http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?frd/cstdy:@field%28DOCID+zr0186%29 (Library of Congress) 1.500 moroccan soldiers fighting in Shaba I with Zairian "Army"... Tabrisius (talk) 11:44, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Tabrisius

Can you just stop reveting an edit, that is clearly not vandalism, with the summary "removing vandalism". I remind you that this article is not your property WP:OWN, and that you have to address other people respectfully and not slander them with false accusation of vandalism. We're not in a Mou9ata3a here ;) OK? --Tachfin (talk) 14:32, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

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