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| ==''Conservative Judaism'' article merger proposal== | ==''Conservative Judaism'' article merger proposal== | ||
| == Merge articles? == | |||
| It doesn't seem right that the main link to Conservative in the 'Jew' template goes here, rather than the more general ] article. In fact, I'm not sure that it needs to be a separate article at all. I propose merging this article and ] into one main article on Conservative/Masorti Judaism, with smaller individual articles about the Conservative/Masorti movement in each particular country. This would help address Rick86's question above, too. | It doesn't seem right that the main link to Conservative in the 'Jew' template goes here, rather than the more general ] article. In fact, I'm not sure that it needs to be a separate article at all. I propose merging this article and ] into one main article on Conservative/Masorti Judaism, with smaller individual articles about the Conservative/Masorti movement in each particular country. This would help address Rick86's question above, too. | ||
| Any thoughts? ] 11:25, 28 April 2006 (UTC) | Any thoughts? ] 11:25, 28 April 2006 (UTC) | ||
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| ::Nonetheless, I do ''not'' disagree with your descriptions. I think the best of both worlds would be to slightly rewrite the introduction to make your points clear, e.g. "Conservative Judaism is 'traditional' Judaism, and in that sense doesn't differ from Masorti Judaism, which is based on the same principles (with a few minor differences)." ] 00:02, 12 June 2006 (UTC) | ::Nonetheless, I do ''not'' disagree with your descriptions. I think the best of both worlds would be to slightly rewrite the introduction to make your points clear, e.g. "Conservative Judaism is 'traditional' Judaism, and in that sense doesn't differ from Masorti Judaism, which is based on the same principles (with a few minor differences)." ] 00:02, 12 June 2006 (UTC) | ||
| == Bad faith deletion of new article on ''Shefa'' == | |||
| Eliezer (under a new name) is trying to delete articles on real organizations. The claim he made on the ] page is false and disingenuous. The '''Shefa Network''' is a real group within ], and in fact is already larger than many organizations that Misplaced Pages already has many articles on. | |||
| The Shefa Network already has several hundred members, they have their own journal, their own website, they have already had two major conferences, ''and two more conferences are planned'' soon. Yet Eliezer and a friend of his are trying to delete its article? Eliezer has refused to even discuss the issue on the article's discussion page, despite the fact that I am trying to engage in civil discourse. Eliezer and his friend haven't even tried to see if the group exists. | |||
| Note the timestamps; they tried to delete the article within ''minutes'' of its creation. They obviously didn't even try to read the group's official website, or read its academic journal. They certainly never went to any of Shefa's conferences! They also never joined Shefa's e-mail list and asked anyone about the group. Look, attempting to delete a page without even trying to ascertain the facts is clearly against Misplaced Pages policy. And doing so while refusing to engage in dialogue is editing in bad faith, ''by definition''. | |||
| If someone somehow still doubts that this organization exists, I can arrange for an interview with its founder, or its journal editor, webmaster, and members of this organization who have been to Shefa's academic conferences. ] 14:09, 25 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
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Conservative Judaism article merger proposal
It doesn't seem right that the main link to Conservative in the 'Jew' template goes here, rather than the more general Masorti article. In fact, I'm not sure that it needs to be a separate article at all. I propose merging this article and Masorti into one main article on Conservative/Masorti Judaism, with smaller individual articles about the Conservative/Masorti movement in each particular country. This would help address Rick86's question above, too. Any thoughts? Nomist 11:25, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
- I for one fullheartedly agree. Conservative Judaism is 'traditional' Judaism, and in that sense doesn't differ from Masorti Judaism, which is based on the same principles (with a few minor differences). In that sense I also find it a good idea to have smaller individual articles about the Conservative/Masorti movement in each particular country. I am willing to do my share in changing this and writing a few articles. Rick86 13:40, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
- I have an objection to this proposed merge. Your argument, in theory, make sense. But in practice I believe that most English speaking Jews would describe "Conservative Judaism" as the more general movement, and use other terms - such as "Masorti" - for more regional specific movements of Conservative Judaism.
- If we wanted to strictly describe Conservative Judaism through its institutional structures, one would end up defining a little known and poorly funded group - Masorti Olami - as the main point, and everything else would be underneath it as sub-sections. To wit:
- Masorti Olami - The World Council of Conservative/Masorti Synagogues
- United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism (North America)
- The Masorti Movement in Israel
- The Assembly of Masorti Synagogues - Conservative Judaism in the United Kingdom
- The Neolog Movement in Hungary
- (Whatever the Conservative Jews in Argentina call themselves, I don't know.)
- Masorti Olami - The World Council of Conservative/Masorti Synagogues
- In practice, people use the term "Masorti" to refer speficially to the Conservative movement in Israel, and less often, in the UK. Now, many Conservative Jews believe that Conservative Judaism in North America should rename itself as Masorti. No less a figure than Rabbi Elliot N. Dorff holds this way. But these suggestions haven't taken hold.
- Nonetheless, I do not disagree with your descriptions. I think the best of both worlds would be to slightly rewrite the introduction to make your points clear, e.g. "Conservative Judaism is 'traditional' Judaism, and in that sense doesn't differ from Masorti Judaism, which is based on the same principles (with a few minor differences)." RK 00:02, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Bad faith deletion of new article on Shefa
Eliezer (under a new name) is trying to delete articles on real organizations. The claim he made on the Shefa Network page is false and disingenuous. The Shefa Network is a real group within Conservative Judaism, and in fact is already larger than many organizations that Misplaced Pages already has many articles on.
The Shefa Network already has several hundred members, they have their own journal, their own website, they have already had two major conferences, and two more conferences are planned soon. Yet Eliezer and a friend of his are trying to delete its article? Eliezer has refused to even discuss the issue on the article's discussion page, despite the fact that I am trying to engage in civil discourse. Eliezer and his friend haven't even tried to see if the group exists.
Note the timestamps; they tried to delete the article within minutes of its creation. They obviously didn't even try to read the group's official website, or read its academic journal. They certainly never went to any of Shefa's conferences! They also never joined Shefa's e-mail list and asked anyone about the group. Look, attempting to delete a page without even trying to ascertain the facts is clearly against Misplaced Pages policy. And doing so while refusing to engage in dialogue is editing in bad faith, by definition.
If someone somehow still doubts that this organization exists, I can arrange for an interview with its founder, or its journal editor, webmaster, and members of this organization who have been to Shefa's academic conferences. RK 14:09, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
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