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Kukini 06:49, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Sydney

Apologies if I offended with the complete revert, your contributions to the article have been of benefit to it. While I'm at it - here's an Aussie welcome! You might want to take a look at the Australian Wikipedians Noticeboard and consider joining WikiProject Sydney. Enjoy your time here. michael 12:35, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

ha ha - we had the same goal but different methods. I tried to fix it by incremental micro-surgery but you went the quick nuke option. Maybe that john guy needs to get his own web site devoted to sydney. I will check out those links. --Merbabu 12:43, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

He just needs to learn what wikipedia is and isn't and how to contribute effectively. michael 13:07, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Indonesia

Arabic is considered by most muslims to be the only language in which Islam should be taught so as to avoid mistranslations - Arabic is a language that is connected to the religion and in the past it would have been a perfectly viable question about Brazillian Catholics except that much of the Catholic Church has disregarded Church Latin these days. Also please learn to spell.Danlibbo 23:59, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually I have been to Indonesia and I speak Bahasa - I worked with INTERFET and with the UNTAET force afterwards. In the days when Latin was the language of Christianity it would have been very interesting to find a church which did not speak Latin, however those times are almost gone now, however, that the clear majority of mosques throughout the world speak Qur'anic Arabic for sermons and prayers and one country hasn't adopted this practice is interesting. Indeed it is proof that the Islam in Indonesia is different, that's the heart of the statement. Perhaps adding some discussion on the variety of Islam practised in Indonesia would also be beneficial, but to those with a knowledge of Islam looking for information on Indonesia, it would be interesting to find that Arabic is not even used in sermons. You seem to be mistaking this point for me saying that because Indonesia is predominantly Muslim they should speak Arabic in everyday life but that's just ridiculous. In the majority of mosques in non-Arabic countries (I know in Australia, the US, Canada, Europe, India, Pakistan, Russia and Japan) Arabic is still reserved and still used for sermons and prayers. Similarly, the majority of Coptic Christians still use Coptic as a language tied to their religion. In the end, that a nation with the world's largest population of Muslims it is an interesting fact that Arabic is rarely used considering that in most other countries in the world, most Muslims do.

That's the most ridiculous argument ever! That there are definitive names for languages. It is perfectly legitimate to refer to a language with it's native name especially when specifying, for example, that I'm not talking about any other of the hundreds of languages spoken in Indonesia. Also, Bahasa Indonesia is an official name for the language with many governments (including mine) and who better defines their language?

It's my little joke I've used - you can't hear the person over the Internet therefore "look 'here'"

no dramas. ha ha --Merbabu 01:43, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

The government department I work for regularly refers to the official language of Indonesia as 'Bahasa Indonesia' partly to sound more sofisticated but mainly such that it is not confused with any other language. I apologise as you seem somewhat offended, but I still believe that the lack of Arabic is an interesting fact and should thus remain on the page. A probable middle ground is to expand the section on Religion to include specifics of the differences shown in Indonesian Islam.

nah - not offended. you gotta try harder than that, lol, but the spelling comment raised an eyebrow. he he. Hmm, as for "interesting" for me it is not the lack of Arabic, but the fact that Islam is practised differently to a more orthodox, Middle Eastern style. That is intereseting for me - and yes, i suppose the language is part of that, but just a detail. People can be very "deep" and committed in their belief in Islam, but at the same time, it does seem more relaxed and local. That is "interesting". --Merbabu 01:43, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I think it's a good compromise. I was thinking from the point of view of someone looking to do some research on Indonesia, it might get a schoolkid an extra mark on a project, or save someone buying an Arabic phrasebook before they go. The spelling comment was my housemate just trying to make my argument more bitchy, I apologise. I added links to 'Islam' and 'Arabic' but nice teamwork eh?

ha ha - OK, chances are a third person will stuff it all up anyway. By the way, do you know to add a sig to comments in Discussion and user pages? (in know it took me a while to work out). Press on the sig timestamp box immediately above this edit box. and you get this: --Merbabu 03:45, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

what was that point about what an encyclopedia is - an encyclopedia needs to take in to account the audience correct? Danlibbo 08:54, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I am not really sure what you mean. But i do know that neither of us can assume to speak for "the audience" except for ourselves. I presume you are talking about the International Dispute section? I think you have a pretty hard case when every other significant country does NOT have it on their main page. Why should Indonesia be any different? And if you are seriously NPOV, why don't you put a similar section in the AUstralian article??? I doubt you would. See my additions about each country on the Indonesia discussion page--Merbabu 09:10, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

PS, if we are to discuss "the audience", the International Dispute section was very Australia-centric (except maybe the aceh and PNG issues, but they are covered generously not just in this article). Misplaced Pages audience is not Aussie-centric, nor is Indonesian foreign relations. --Merbabu 09:20, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Zoo TV

Please see my (lengthy) response in Talk:Zoo TV Tour. Wasted Time R 01:19, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

About Faerieangel

I appreciate the fact that you are trying to stop vandalism, but I have a few things to say. Faerieangel's first edit is not considered vandalism, she didn't know about the sandbox. Also, I think we should give her one more chance. This girl is my sister, and I'll try to take care of her. If she vandalises again, I give you permission to temporarly block her, while I give her a lesson. Lissa 14:52, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

U2

Merabu -- no worries about you clobbering my edits on the U2 article. I think we were coincidentally editing it at almost the same time. I'm trying to add some references (and probably I should get to bed), but let's see if we can get this article to featured status! Misplaced Pages brown 07:58, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, there was some garbage in there but it was my intent to reinstate your worthy contributions - i was in the process of resinstating some of yours, but you'd already done it! I think articles on popular music are hard for wiki - they just turn into fan sites if where not careful, there is enough of that on the web, wiki should be different. Your work with links should improve it's quality. yes, this article has become a little pet for me. ha, ha. My biggest hate is "fluff" or irrelevant stuff - did my revert remove the details on the colour of the iPod headphone jack? - how stupid was that - lol. Some get carried away. --Merbabu 08:03, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the words of encouragement! I think the iPod stuff is still there, you may want to check. I agree with you on the style of popular music articles -- that's why I'm trying to find negative reviews and include them in the article too (I'm surprised that u2.com actually has some of these negative reviews on their site too ... that's very cool!). Anyways, keep up the good work on fluff removal patrol. Misplaced Pages brown 17:14, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, if we want to see the article on our favorite band being raised to featured status, we've got to keep the fancruft away... BTW, you've been doing some great work on the article! I hope it'll soon be ready to go through a peer review! --Kristbg 20:43, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Sport in New South Wales

Hi Merbabu! I don't quite see the need for your latest edits to Sport in New South Wales. I have explained what I would prefer at Talk:Sport in New South Wales, and would appreciate your views on the matter. Thanks, JPD (talk) 13:35, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

lol - i don't feel too strongly about it. I felt if it was going to be NSW (with which i agree rather than sydney), then i would shift the emphasis a bit. It seemed to be all about how important sydney was, in the manner that we have come to expect from a certain editor. As i said, i am happy for you to change my edits. cheers. --Merbabu 13:57, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: Jack

I think the block will be beneficial. However you are correct that your own response might have been handled better: the three-revert rule applies to all parties to an edit war. Thanks, --cj | talk 13:27, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

You seem to be a frequent reverter of Jackp's vandalism, so I ask you to comment here: (bottommost section). Skinnyweed 13:59, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Westfield Tower

Are you sure Sydney Tower is now Westfield Tower, per your changes to Skyscrapers in Sydney? I can't find any source other than which gives details of the proposed Westfield Tower at Centrepoint as part of (I assume) the redevelopment of Pitt Street. --Steve 04:27, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually i am not sure. A sydney skyscraper expert specifically told me it was the case - but i will try to confirm. Although, i did have second thoughts on the issue and i am happy to have it as "Sydney Tower (officially Westfield Tower)". I will look into it.--Merbabu 04:45, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Sydney

If you're working towards a featured article, take a look at what a featured article should look like: Canberra. michael 13:14, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I am not going to enter into a petty debate on section after section; if I was an admin I would have had Jackp blocked months ago and with little fuss. The simple fact remains: what isn't making it a better article shouldn't be there. Making it more like Canberra, Johannesburg or Hong Kong is improving it. Adding in stupid, trivial rubbish isn't. Adding in unrequired and confusing headings isn't. michael 13:25, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi, merbabu! Thanks for fixing the architecture move. I am a bit disturbed that someone else thinks there is a point to having an Education in Sydney article, but I guess it doesn't hurt too much. As for these headings, I'm not completely against them, but Jack definitely hasn't got them right. I have some made some comments at the talk page concerning what I see as the options - please give your opinion. JPD (talk) 19:06, 26 June 2006 (UTC)