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Vandals

I have removed a couple of bits from this article. I have removed the unsourced sentence about the Christmas hymn reference from the finale room section (especially since if this was true, it would probably have only been present during the holiday season). I have also removed the whole "Lyrics" section as it is completely WP:COPYRIGHT and looks horribly laid out on this page. trainfan01 12:23, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

The Clock Tower in Epic Mickey

During an interview with Roland Crump, designer of the ride, I asked him about the name "Glockenspiel" for the name of the clock and/or clock face. He confirmed that this was not the name for the clock, nor the face. The clock is known simply as the "clock tower." Any reference to "Glockenspiel" would refer to the clock in some other context, but it should not be applied to the clock tower or clock face in Disneyland, Anaheim. --Davidodesign (talk) 17:25, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Should we put down that the Clock Tower is the first boss of the Wii video game "Epic Mickey"? After all, it DID scare many kids (dear god, that grin and those eyes)...64.83.231.37 (talk) 01:31, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Sounds suspiciously like trivia in the context of this article. AtticusX (talk) 14:29, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

My opinion is - Glockenspiel in Epic Mickey is a great start to begin collecting cultural references, of which there are legion, ranging from the subtle "get small" innuendos of Steve Martin to the overt. Cultural references is just as relevant to the context of this article as they are to E-ticket.Disneywizard (talk) 20:02, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

resemblance to white horse inn ouverture

on http://www.emusic.com/album/Various-Le-meilleur-de-l-operette-MP3-Download/11363921.html disc 2, 18 after a few seconds one can hear the melody in question. However a first quick check with a musician from berlin who is performing TODAY! the operetta led me to think that it concerns probably a local adaptation by the symphonic orchestra from Paris. I am waiting for confirmation. any other help/advice welcome Savasorda (talk) 14:37, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

The song section

This section duplicates the history section and should be merged into it or deleted. Unless we have more information about the song (music, etc.) we probably don't need a separate section. Viriditas (talk) 04:35, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

merged Disneywizard (talk) 20:04, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Capitalization

I propose to keep the article (and all links to it) as It's a Small World. The guidelines at MOS:TM and MOS:CAPS state the following:

I have therefore come to the conclusion that it should remain capitalized. Please comment below as to which way you think it should be and provide reasoning as to why it should be that way. Thanks Themeparkgc  Talk  00:24, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Wiz responds:

Let us not confuse the article title with text within the article.

Let us not confuse article title lowercase with leading quotes.

Let us recall that we must "avoid unnecessary title capitalization; most capitalization is for proper names"

This has never, ever been a trademark issue.

And Misplaced Pages:Proper_names reminds us at the very top that "This guideline is a part of the English Misplaced Pages's Manual of Style. Use common sense in applying it; it will have occasional exceptions. Please ensure that any edits to this page reflect consensus."

I contend that "it's a small world" is her proper name pronoun, and not a trademark. It qualifies as the occasional exception, and the misrepresentation of a capitol S and W are errors introduced in 1998 on this wiki which have gone uncorrected too long.

MOS:CAPS#Mixed_or_non-capitalization See also: Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (trademarks) and Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (mathematics)

For trademarks that are given in mixed or non-capitalization by their owners (such as adidas), follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules for proper nouns. Trademarks beginning with a one-letter lowercase prefix pronounced as a separate letter do not need to be capitalized if the second letter is capitalized (e.g., iPod or eBay);</redline> Misplaced Pages does not capitalize the first letter, when, as in these cases, not doing so has become normal English usage. (Beginning article titles lower case requires the {{lowercase}} template or equivalent code.) The mixed or non-capitalized formatting should be mentioned in the article lead, or illustrated with a graphical logo. .

Some individuals do not want their personal names capitalized. In such cases, Misplaced Pages articles may use lower case variants of personal names if they have regular and established use in reliable third-party sources (for example, k.d. lang).

In articles where the case of symbols is significant, like those related to programming languages or mathematical notation (for example, n is not equivalent to N), the title should reflect this. It is best to avoid putting symbols like n at the beginning of a sentence where English rules would require capitalization.

Respect her name.Disneywizard (talk) 03:57, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but MOS:TM is pretty clear. Sorry if that busts your bubble. Its officially lower case, but wikipedia MOS guidelines say to Capitalize it for the purpose of this encyclopedia. Thst include structure as well as the title.--Jojhutton (talk) 11:56, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

It is a trademark. Disney have registered both It's a Small World and Disney It's a Small World with the United States Patent and Trademark Office. If it was a proper noun, then according to WP:CAPS it should be capitalized anyway. Unless you can provide strong evidence in the way of Misplaced Pages policies, the article should be left as it was a few days ago. Themeparkgc  Talk  22:38, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

You already wiped out all the references I included. I suppose now you'll revert it again as you threaten, destroying Glockenspiel, '64 World's Fair, New York and all the other improvements to prove your point. (All of the historians and librarians here in the office agree you have lost your common sense pursuing the matter.) Disneywizard (talk) 09:01, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

I won't revert you edits as such. I will leave all of your contributions in place. If this discussion is closed with the consensus of It's a Small World, I will only change the references to the name not any of the other information you contributed. Themeparkgc  Talk  09:25, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

• Sorry if I am missing some background info on this discussion. WP uses proper noun English capitalization independent of the actual stylization. Thus Misplaced Pages usage of the proper noun is "It's a Small World". MoS pages are void of mis-interpretation. Usages in the text of article should also be consistent. In this case, I believe it should also be capitalized. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 20:38, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

"it's a small world" the correct title, is a proper name not a trademark

[moved here from my talk page,
issues irrelevant to small world snipped,
and my responses inserted in  ]
Themeparkgc  Talk  Claims:

Even though Disney don't capitalize it,

[but many in the company, English and journalism majors for the most part,
even Dave Smith himself, have slipped up as I have, and used title case
when referring to this attraction.Disneywizard (talk) 19:39, 2 March 2011 (UTC)]

the manual of style here at Misplaced Pages requires us to do so. See MOS:TM and MOS:CAPS. Thanks Themeparkgc  Talk  23:07, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Did you read the Misplaced Pages guidelines I have linked? Or have you just ignored me?

Themeparkgc  Talk  23:34, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

You may wish to comment on the discussion of capitization at the article's talk page. Themeparkgc  Talk  00:31, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Themeparkgc: Apples and pears - You cite trademarks MOS:TM style which recommends not requires. But "it's a small world" is a proper name - so you can throw MOS:TM out of the discussion altogether. The text of the article should reflect the proper name. You cite no reasons why the body of text can not do so, nor do you cite why unnecessary capitalization should persist.

The article was once titled correctly, when redirects were added in 1998 the error crept in which incorrectly altered the title to It's a Small World - title case, no quotes. The title of the attraction is "it's a small world" - entirely lower case, enclosed in quotes. I contend that the title of the attraction is indeed it's proper name. The article title should once again reflect that.

Regarding MOS:CAPS; The article title should never have included the excessive capitalization of either Small or World. An all lowercase title is acceptable when {{lowercase}} template is included. You chased my edits preventing saving anything while I was cleaning up template inclusion and redirects. Perhaps you were too quick on the draw and should have started the discussion before your first reversion. The only style guideline truly in contention here is the leading and trailing quotation marks in the article title, which also is acceptable when enough folks use it. Indeed MOS:CAPS states:

This guideline is a part of the English Misplaced Pages's Manual of Style. It is a generally accepted standard that editors should attempt to follow, though occasional exceptions may apply. Any substantive edit to this page should reflect consensus. When in doubt, discuss first on the talk page.

Shortcuts MOS:CAPS WP:MOSCAPS

"Some individuals do not want their personal names capitalized. In such cases, Misplaced Pages articles may use lower case variants of personal names if they have regular and established use in reliable third-party sources (for example, k.d. lang).

In articles where the case of symbols is significant, like those related to programming languages or mathematical notation (for example, n is not equivalent to N), the title should reflect this. It is best to avoid putting symbols like n at the beginning of a sentence where English rules would require capitalization."

So, for the same reason, Damn all of those journalists and english majors who "corrected" e.e.cummings and k. d. lang as well.

There are plenty of redirects which will guide the casual and ignorant to the correct article, let us further inform them by titling the article correctly as a proper name as well.

I read what you sent, Themeparkgc when you sent it and found it didn't apply. I find your reversions to be vandalism.Disneywizard (talk) 19:39, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

• Why bother copying all of that here - what's wrong with the section above? See my comments in that section. The comments that appear to be made by me in this section were made on Disneywizard's talk page and have been modified when transferred over. Themeparkgc  Talk  22:38, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Still don't think that the article is correct, but its hard to argue with someone who is willing to edit war.--Jojhutton (talk) 00:06, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

We need more votes from the Disney Park community. I agree, Jojhutton, and hate to argue in the first place. I find it most frustrating to spend two hours on dial-up including references only to loose them because the page was hastily removed. When I got back online I did find Themeparkgc's string of erroneous citations. Perhaps he assumes everyone is on a T1 and can keep up with his bots. Perhaps he could use his vast wiki knowledge to assist improving the article when he is done griping about talking about talking about it. (and quit interfering with the progress of plusing the place while thumping style-guideline|Leviticus claiming to be the word of god.) Disneywizard (talk) 08:36, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Only changed the Capitalization, per MOS:TM. No opinion on any of the other edits.--Jojhutton (talk) 12:03, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Disneywizard, I have not removed any references or anything else you have added. I have only made changes to the capitalization of It's a Small World. Here and here I have reverted only you edits which changed the name to lower case. I don't have a bot here on Misplaced Pages, however I do have rollbacking rights (which allows me to quickly revert edits). I wouldn't call changing the capitalization to lower case plusing the place. Themeparkgc  Talk  22:04, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

There is no proof, nor has there ever been proof that "it's a small world" recognized as a trademark. The U.S.Patent and Trademark office only recognized IT'S A SMALL WORLD as a service mark August 18, 2010.http://tdr.uspto.gov/search.action?sn=78305057 The proper name of the song has never been copyrighted "it's a small world (after all)" and can not be recognized as a trademark or service mark. So, every reference in the article to attraction titles before 8-18-2010 should be grandfathered in as all lower case, enclosed in quotes. The song should never have a capital letter in it. Once again, MOS:TM does not apply and MOS:Caps opposes excessive capitalization and permits all lower case proper names. Oh, and Jojhutton, if you disagree, kindly go through the article and make individual changes, instead of destroying any additional edits made in good faith by other editors - as opposed to the lazy reversion vandalism you continue to inflict, based blindly on false information and your myopic beliefs.Disneywizard (talk) 05:29, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Its difficult to revert what you perceive to be Good Faith edits that you intermingle with your non-guideline edits. Please do not disrupt the page and the integrity of wikipedia by attempting to wikilawer whether or not you feel that the name of the ride is trademarked or not. Misplaced Pages has its own policy and guidelines and is not bound by outside rules of law.--JOJ 20:38, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

To quote Sue Gardner, Wikimedia Foundation Executive Director in

We want people to trust Misplaced Pages, not worry that it is trying to propagandize them.

Then why, JOJ must you insist on lying to the public and forcing an all title case version of the true name? MOS:Caps is there to prevent ALL CAPS agrandizing, and spam MEANT FOR SHOUTING! This is the opposite of that, and approved usage. By the way MOS in no way suggests that the song, a separate entity, needs any capitalization and should remain correctly titled "it's a small world (after all)" - entirely lower case and enclosed in quotes. Disneywizard (talk) 02:02, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

It's a trademark.--JOJ 02:26, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

Do you people realize what you're fighting over? 68.183.21.13 (talk) 15:48, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Lyrics

WP:COPYRIGHT does not apply. This song "it's a small world (after all)" is perhaps the world's most noted song for not having a copyright. Disneywizard (talk) 20:04, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

See "Copyright status of song," below. The claim that it is not copyrighted is not supported by any source and is contrary to US Copyright Office records. I see you are the editor who added the unsourced claim. What did you base this on? TJRC (talk) 20:00, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

The Magic The Memories and You

Disney recently unveiled a new projection show called The Magic The Memories and You at Disneyland and also at Disney World. The Disneyland version is projected onto the It's a Small World facade while the Disney World show is shown on Cinderella Castle. Why hasn't this been mentioned on this article page, or possibly a seperate article? ~ Jedi94 (talk) 12:01, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

It was mentioned, then removed by Jojhutton vandalism of reversion. Now restored Disneywizard (talk) 20:07, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Then vandalized by Jojhutton later that day.Disneywizard (talk) 05:36, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Page needs fixing

The info box on this page is broken (the underlying code is displaying on the page). I'm not knowledgeable enough to fix it. Can someone assist? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.201.0.221 (talk) 22:22, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

fixed Disneywizard (talk) 20:06, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Copyright status of song

It appears that the Small World song is not copyrighted. This means two things:

• We could post the lyrics to the song. We probably shouldn't, as it's not encyclopedic.
• We could post a recording. We absolutely should, as it would add greatly to the article.

D O N D E groovily Talk to me 13:48, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Recordings can be problematic. Just because the song is in the public domain doesn't mean that any given performance of the song is in the public domain. Someone could record a PD rendition explicitly for use on Misplaced Pages, but how desirable would that be? What if it was just a MIDI of the main melody? There are a lot of questions here. Powers 22:29, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

The claim that the song is not copyrighted is unsourced, and appears to be false. According to U.S. Copyright Office records, its copyright was registered on October 4, 1963, reg. no. EU0000793673, and renewed October 15, 1991, renewal reg. no. RE0000548478. To confirm, go to the Copyright Office public catalog and search on "RE0000548478" with "Search By:" set to "Registration Number". I'm going to delete the passage from the article. TJRC (talk) 19:54, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

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Locations

What location are there? I think 1 is Hawaii (which lilo & stitch) appeared in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.101.38.140 (talk) 17:08, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

NO MORE LIES!

There is not, nor has there ever been, a consensus over the proper title "it's a small world". I write the truth and other vandals such as J Hutton try to convince others that their vision of Misplaced Pages version outweighs the truth. So, even though Misplaced Pages manual of style specifically permits the article title to be enclosed within quotes and entirely lower-case, I concede, because I grow tired of fighting the vandalism of rapid reversion (which also wipes out greater truths,) but I shall forever correct the 1964 ticket, photo, attraction title, song and any other "it's a small world" mentions - simply because the arguments which maintain MOS and TM as a cover-all blanket in no way applies to them. The Sherman brothers did not write "It's a Small World", they wrote "it's a small world (after all)". Will the perpetrators of the fallacy please go back and carefully re-read those from my point-of-view, it's important that school children who may cite the Wiki article speak the truth - not your mangled interpretation of MOS or TM. There simply are no valid reasons to upper-case any historic 1964 small world title references, songs or other mentions.Disneywizard (talk) 15:17, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

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