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	:The source, which is an academic one, defines "historic Palestine" as Israel and the Palestinian Territories (Gaza and the West Bank). The problem here is not with the article, but is probably that your own personal views are at odds with the kind of sources that we base Misplaced Pages articles on. ] (]) 10:06, 28 May 2014 (UTC)		:The source, which is an academic one, defines "historic Palestine" as Israel and the Palestinian Territories (Gaza and the West Bank). The problem here is not with the article, but is probably that your own personal views are at odds with the kind of sources that we base Misplaced Pages articles on. ] (]) 10:06, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
			No, your Jewish history-denying sources are incorrect. The western half of Jordan is part of Judea. Jews know the history of the land better than some old British fart sitting at a desk in London. This article is pure bullshit and Pally propaganda. It should be deleted for its anti-Jewish hate speech. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 07:15, 5 June 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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palestinians arabized

it is written that the palestinians are now culturally and linguistically arab why is their immigration not mentioned in this page ? the immigration to palestine,in the late 1800's. i would like to get some documentary facts about the issue aswell

and please dont accuse me of zionism ,i want information — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dorpwnz (talk • contribs) 08:51, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

You are probably looking for Demographics of Palestine. Sean.hoyland - talk 09:11, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Now i found it . anyway ,the article lacks equality or balance while it mentions only Israeli leftist academics or anti zionists. i have seen the word "israeli propaganda" once in the article . it is unbalanced because the common sense says there was no reason for a large arab community to stay before the 19th century . i will have to look for sources about the migrations from Syria,Lebanon,Yemen,maghreb states etc in order to balance the article. thanks for noticing you might want to read about the ancient jewish settlement named Sakhnin , or Joshua Desakhnin/Shimon desakhnin for example if you want to get a better perspective thanks again --Dorpwnz (talk) 12:57, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi Dorpwnz, it is probably worth remembering that Misplaced Pages is a global resource and not an Israeli one. How scholars may may or may not be viewed (e.g. "leftist")in one small Middle Eastern county is not necessarily a primary concern in our source selection and analysis. I looked at the use of "propagandists" in the demographics article: it is actually appropriate,attributed to a sourced scholar published under academic imprint. The problem is actually that the Twain material that the academic says is utilised as propaganda is quoted extensively and only supported by primary source citations of the Twain book. The Twain material should only be included to the extent it can be supported by published academic expert sources. Dlv999 (talk) 17:08, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

hi .. it's not just twain , the other perspective should be accepted too , for example ,population growth in egypt during the late 1800's - 20 century was very slow compared to palestine and many other intresesting points , i will publish my information (academic based ,worlwide) later --Dorpwnz (talk) 15:18, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

If there are defects in the Demographics of Palestine, A land without a people for a people without a land, or Joan Peters or Time Immemorial etc., fix them. It's a complex argument, like those over the proportion of Ashkenazi Jews in modern Jewry, or the 'demographic miracle' that is required to explain how medieval Ashkenazi, apparently in the standard model without conversion, rose from 15-30,000 to several million in four or so centuries. The general articles don't get bogged down in such 'stuff', (unless of course the subtext is:'well yes, we immigrated under Zionism, but Palestinians weren't local either. The place was empty and two recent immigrant populations competed and are competing still for this territory,' which is the chronic subtext of a large number of SPA or IP trolls:)Nishidani (talk) 17:10, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

You have posted opinion rather than fact. Please see WP:Propaganda and do not post Arab nationalist propaganda. 112.124.38.227 (talk) 07:37, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Just so that I understand Palestinian people == Palestinian Arabs? If so when was their national identity formed?--PLNR (talk) 08:10, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

It's amazing how Misplaced Pages performs this acrobatics to invent a new people. This whole Palestinian identity and people thing is ridiculous. If a people exists then you know about it for centuries. You know that it has a distinct name, language (not always), culture, history. SOMETING. Who in the 19th century and before that ever thought, wrote, spoke about the relatively few Arabs who lived in Ottoman Palestine (a quarter of a million people in the begining of the 19t centure) as a distinct Canaanite or Philistine or Mameluke or whatever people? Who called them anything else other than Arabs? If it walks and talks like a duck then it's a duck. A people cannot be Arab - identify itself all the years as Arab, speak arabic, have an Arab culture, mentality, sees itself as part of the big Arab nation and then claims when it's more convenient that it's not Arab. If these people were Canaanite or Philistine or whatever then why didn't they call themselves that? why didn't they have a separate Canaanite or Philistine identity, culture, history, anything that would have made them into one Philistine or Canaanite or whatever people who stood out for centuries as distinct and different from Arabs in what is now Lebanon, Syria etc.? who among these Arabs themselves identify themselves all those years as these ancient people? They and everyone else called and recognized them as ARABS. They were proud of their Arab identity. The only reason the Arabs in Palestine invented to themselves a new ancient identity is to compete with the thousands years long historic connection that the JEWS had to Palestine, oer the holy land. Some say that there's no connection between the Zionists and the ancient Israelites, but the Zionists at least were JEWS as only the Israelites were. They kept a constant distinct national, religious, cultural identity for THOUSANDS of years. Everybody in the world knew that the Jews were not like the other nations and made sure the Jews knew that for dthousands of years of persecutions and discrimination. Everybody associated the Jews with the holy land. The holy land was recognized by everyone as the ancient homeland of the Jews, of where the Jews came from. It is more than ridiculous how the Palestinian Arabs invented a whole new ancient identity for themselves in the last few decades and how Misplaced Pages takes it seriously! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.111.189.129 (talk) 14:50, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Do you want your paper graded? I'm sure we can find an elementary school teacher to mark it up for faithfully reproducing what some kiddies are taught to think.Nishidani (talk) 14:58, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Agreed. The IP obviously doesn't understand any of the words he is using. 84.111, if you would like to be less ignorant on this topic, try reading about the history of nationalism and the history of ethnic identities. You will quickly learn that the Palestinian identity is no different from any other major modern identity, insofaras they were all invented in the last couple of centuries. All of them. And for the avoidance of doubt, that includes the Arab ethnic identity, the Jewish ethnic identity, the chinese ethnic identity, the indian ethnic identity, the german ethnic identity etc etc etc. Oncenawhile (talk) 17:54, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Bedouins

Without a source for "The local Bedouins of Palestine are said to be ancestrally descended from Arabians" there is no place for this comment in this or any Wiki article. To say "Their dialects and pronunciation of qaaf as gaaf group them with other Bedouin across the Arab world" is only to link the groups linguistically yet the sentence before states "and not just culturally and linguistically Arabized peoples". Until a source is provided this comment should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michardav (talk • contribs) 23:41, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Palestinian arabs have no connection to the cnaanites.

You can see here what a palestinian arab says about a "typical palestinian family" (only for people who know arabic) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pESwbDnowSA — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dorpwnz (talk • contribs) 13:56, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Which statements in this Misplaced Pages article are you proposing to change and which sources that qualify as RS are you proposing that support those changes ? Sean.hoyland - talk 15:33, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

"like egyptians,maghrabic,etc palestinians are arabized" it's not a good example. because it will make people think palestinians are originally from palestine,for thousands of years or more. it's not true in reality ,because the arab immigration started when the zionists claimed palestine to be theirs. some sort of competetion. anyway ,the video link is just above your comment - he says his typical palestinian family is egyptian,mugrabi clearly,as in the early start of the video,as i said above. it seems like you ignored my comment basically,and i need to know if there's something to do about it. it does not have to reffere to a written source as it is a real,living evidence.you might have to do your own search after listening to his claims. --Dorpwnz (talk) 12:52, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

I.e. you haven't yet read the article, and haven't checked the numerous sources it is based on. Joan Peters' claptrap, which your remarks echo, is not RS except in the common colloquial reading of R-S.Nishidani (talk) 13:37, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Can you respond to the subject and not to the person telling about the subject? You drastically ignore afo agbariyah's saying. why? what? and again,how do i contact a person in a higher level of administartion on wikipedia to talk about this issue? my sources are being ignored right now.i have not seen an attitude to afo agbrayah's sayings. tell it now or just tell me about your real intentions.--Dorpwnz (talk) 09:58, 28 May 2014 (UTC) --Dorpwnz (talk) 09:43, 28 May 2014 (UTC) Joan Peters is one of the few writers who tell the truth about the Islamic settlers. She is much more reliable than the Muslim authors cited in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.140.31 (talk) 07:25, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Jordan is also part of historic Palestine

The piece omits that Jordan is part of historic Palestine. "… reside in historic Palestine, the area encompassing the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and Israel."

It is indirectly stated by using "West Bank" instead of Judea and Samaria, but should be included. Stermerkermer (talk) 05:49, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

The source, which is an academic one, defines "historic Palestine" as Israel and the Palestinian Territories (Gaza and the West Bank). The problem here is not with the article, but is probably that your own personal views are at odds with the kind of sources that we base Misplaced Pages articles on. Dlv999 (talk) 10:06, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

No, your Jewish history-denying sources are incorrect. The western half of Jordan is part of Judea. Jews know the history of the land better than some old British fart sitting at a desk in London. This article is pure bullshit and Pally propaganda. It should be deleted for its anti-Jewish hate speech. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.140.31 (talk) 07:15, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

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