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| == I don't edit Misplaced Pages very often == | == I don't edit Misplaced Pages very often == | ||
| I have previously edited maybe 10 or 12 Misplaced Pages articles. They |
I have previously edited maybe 10 or 12 Misplaced Pages articles. They mostly involved classic films or politics. One major contribution (almost 50%) I made to an article is something that I think very few people in the world could have done, and now that is owned by Misplaced Pages thanks to me (no, I won't say what it was so you'll have to take my word for it). The edits took place in 2006, 2008, 2011, 2012, and now. I only have the whim to edit every few years, so I just created a new username each time then forgot about it. I have forgotten the passwords, usernames, or both for my previous usernames, and I never set up any password retrieval system. I have never engaged in sock puppetry, nor am I a single-purpose account. I personally feel unqualified to comment meaningfully on a wide variety of articles. ] (]) 17:52, 8 March 2014 (UTC) | ||
| == It doesn't make sense == | |||
| It doesn't make sense to say someone is an "SPA" yet acknowledge there's a consensus split over their "reasonable" proposed edit. That is the definition of process winning out over content. If there's a legitimate split over an edit, HOWEVER SMALL, the proper procedure is to work it out with RfCs. So what if it's minor? Who is Misplaced Pages to judge which items are too minor to really pay attention to? And so what if it's the only thing an editor does? Nothing in the rules says you can't have one small edit and work to change consensus. Every little bit helps. If the content has support, then let the process play out. ] (]) 22:19, 11 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Remember that SPA is a label - nothing more. It's relevance is that editors with that label tend to be more challenging to work with than editors who work with lots of articles. That breadth of experience can make it easier to see conflicts developing and work to resolve them. SPA isn't just a label for one article, it can also be for one topic (for example someone that edits only small towns in Illinois could be labeled a SPA). Ultimately, decisions about content boil down to consensus based on Misplaced Pages policies. | |||
| :I think where you ran into trouble was a combination of aggressiveness over the issue (you don't need to respond to every post that is contrary to your view) combined with unfamiliarity with various policies, guidelines and processes. Yeah, there's a lot of them and they can be difficult to work through. The first ANI in May should have been a clue that there were some problems. Look at the ] page - just about every other post is from you. Having interest is good, but trying to overwhelm by arguing everything just isn't good. You needed to have made your points once, and let it go. Let others express their view. If you start to see a consistent pattern in the responses, you can try starting a discussion about that pattern. (I see that several people have expressed ''foo''. Could someone go into more detail so I might understand the issue and try to respond?) or (I see that several editors have said ''bar''. I don't think that applies here because ''baz''). Once the RFC seems to have run it's course, you can ask an uninvolved admin at ] to review and close it. Remember it's not about the number of votes, but the strength of arguments. Six edits saying support for no reasons might lose to a single editor opposing who raises good, policy based views. | |||
| :At this point, you've got a couple of options. Common to all of them is forget about the Coates article completely. Literally. Take it off your watch list so you don't see it. Then, you can either stop editing Misplaced Pages, or find some other articles to edit. There are lists of pages without references - you can try working on one of them. Find a topic that's local to you or that you like and see what you can do. After six months, ask if you can return to the Coates article. If you stop editing for six months and then ask, I can guarantee the request will be rejected. In your request, don't bring up anyone else. Face it - other editors thought you had a problem in your editing style. '''It doesn't matter if you think you had a problem or not at this point - other were convinced that you did.''' In an appeal, generally admins are looking for something from you acknowledging that your actions were perceived as problematic and how you plan to prevent similar situations from happening again in the future. Don't bring up anyone else's behavior - generally it doesn't matter in the appeal. The appeal is about you, your actions and granting the appeal won't result in future drama. | |||
| :Where you are at right now sucks, but it could be worse. You are topic banned from one area and there is lots out there. You need to drop EVERYTHING about the Coats article right now. Everything. DP taking away your talk page access is actually a GoodThing(tm). You DID break your topic ban with that post, understand? The topic ban is EVERYTWHERE on Misplaced Pages. Any page. You can't even HINT at hit. No oblique mentions. Not even "Well, there was this one area that I got into trouble, but ..." Nothing. Pretend that entire situation never happened and you never heard of that article. Put on your ] so you only see blackness around it. Then, go out and find something new to edit. Take the time to get more experience with Misplaced Pages and when you return you'll be in a better spot to improve the Coats article. Good luck. <b><font color="darkred">]</font></b> <font color="black">(])</font> 22:59, 11 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Further thought, if you want to reply to this comment, fine, but remember NOTHING about Coates or the entire situation. Seriously. Please. Not even something like "How could I have prevented this from happening". Any discussion along those lines and it's way to easy to end up breaching the topic bad. Remember those Peril sensitive sunglasses! <b><font color="darkred">]</font></b> <font color="black">(])</font> 23:01, 11 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == I feel your pain == | |||
| To quote Bill Clinton - really I do. I'm not blocked, but I'm indef banned from not just a page, but a topic on Misplaced Pages. | |||
| Like you, I belive my position was correct, and supported by policies, however, that doesn't change the fact that I'm indef banned from multiple pages. Best thing to do, is avoid the page your banned from, just as I am avoiding the page that I initially got banned on. By doing that my view might actually change and I may wind up supporting the position of those than indeffed me, and then again, maybe not, either way, I can't edit that article, so no point in looking at it. Same is true for you, avoid the article, once the block is lifted and edit elsewhere for a while. Eventually, either consensus changes , the topic or article gets some kind of reliable update that changes what the fight was all about (making it pointless ), in the meantime, edit elsewhere and ignore the article. ]'' 16:29, 12 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
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I don't edit Misplaced Pages very often
I have previously edited maybe 10 or 12 Misplaced Pages articles. They mostly involved classic films or politics. One major contribution (almost 50%) I made to an article is something that I think very few people in the world could have done, and now that is owned by Misplaced Pages thanks to me (no, I won't say what it was so you'll have to take my word for it). The edits took place in 2006, 2008, 2011, 2012, and now. I only have the whim to edit every few years, so I just created a new username each time then forgot about it. I have forgotten the passwords, usernames, or both for my previous usernames, and I never set up any password retrieval system. I have never engaged in sock puppetry, nor am I a single-purpose account. I personally feel unqualified to comment meaningfully on a wide variety of articles. Useitorloseit (talk) 17:52, 8 March 2014 (UTC)