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	As others have pointed out, this behaviour, which seems to be increasing, taken alongside an apparent tightening of what is considered a revert, is preventing normal constructive editing. If experienced, good-faith editors have to revert non-stop unconstructive edits from these throwaway POV socks, it removes our right to make most other edits to articles. If this continues, all of the decent editors will be driven away, blocked or topic-banned, leaving the field free for trolls, propagandists and other vandals to wreak havoc. <span style="font-family: Papyrus">] (])</span> 16:28, 1 July 2014 (UTC)		As others have pointed out, this behaviour, which seems to be increasing, taken alongside an apparent tightening of what is considered a revert, is preventing normal constructive editing. If experienced, good-faith editors have to revert non-stop unconstructive edits from these throwaway POV socks, it removes our right to make most other edits to articles. If this continues, all of the decent editors will be driven away, blocked or topic-banned, leaving the field free for trolls, propagandists and other vandals to wreak havoc. <span style="font-family: Papyrus">] (])</span> 16:28, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
			====Statement by Shrike====

			If admins think that users should be banned for being a SPA then most of those who operate now in I/P area should be banned including those who posted comments in this thread.I don't care either way but please let be consistent--] (])/] 20:49, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
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Plot Spoiler

Complaint suspended until User:Plot Spoiler returns on July 1. If anyone has something to add, feel free to unhat this report. EdJohnston (talk) 17:53, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Request concerning Plot Spoiler User who is submitting this request for enforcement Oncenawhile (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 17:48, 25 June 2014 (UTC) User against whom enforcement is requested Plot Spoiler (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log Sanction or remedy to be enforced Misplaced Pages:ARBPIA : Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Palestine-Israel_articles#Standard_discretionary_sanctions Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it Revert on 25 June after my directly related talk proposal on 22 June went unanswered for three days Revert on 7 June after my directly related talk proposal on 30 May went unanswered for a week Revert on 22 May In return for talk page discussion, detailed sourcing and verification, and lots of patience, Plot Spoiler responds with reverts, silence, reverts, and occasional personal attacks on talk. For the avoidance of doubt I asked Georgewilliamherbert for advice in February re dealing with such behaviour from Plot Spoiler, and have been following his advice to ensure I have crystal clean hands. Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any WP:AE/Archive139#Plot_Spoiler Sep 2013 ARBPIA enforcement WP:3RR/User:Greyshark09_and_User:Plot_Spoiler Jan 2014 warning re slow burn edit war Additional comments by editor filing complaint In response to User:Sandstein below, this is a clear case of slow burn edit warring from an editor who should know better. Whilst the slow burn nature means it didn't trip the 1RR 24 hour bright line, it has had the same effect via three reverts, and should be considered as such. Oncenawhile (talk) 19:51, 25 June 2014 (UTC) Hi User:Sandstein, sorry i'm being slow. I have now linked to the specific remedy above. Plot Spoiler was blocked under ARBPIA about 9 months ago, so is well aware of the sanctions. I also reminded him about them on talk between the second and third revert above . Oncenawhile (talk) 20:43, 25 June 2014 (UTC) And he was notified directly re the risk of sanctions from slow burn edit warring at User_talk:Plot_Spoiler/Archive_3#Discretionary_sanctions_notification. Oncenawhile (talk) 20:54, 25 June 2014 (UTC) Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested Discussion concerning Plot Spoiler Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks. Statement by Plot Spoiler Apologies, I'm unable to provide a thoughtful and detailed response until at least Tuesday, July 1. I will not be editing in the interim. Your patience is appreciated. Plot Spoiler (talk) 01:52, 27 June 2014 (UTC) Statement by (username) Result concerning Plot Spoiler This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above. The complaint does not make clear which if any specific remedy should be enforced and/or which if any conduct rule these reverts are deemed to violate. It is not actionable as submitted. Sandstein 18:28, 25 June 2014 (UTC) Even as amended, the complaint does not specify the remedy to be enforced and, if this is to be a discretionary sanctions request, does not indicate how Plot Spoiler was aware (as required) of these sanctions. Still not actionable. Sandstein 20:16, 25 June 2014 (UTC) Sandstein, you issued 3-month ARBPIA ban to Plot Spoiler in September 2013. This should make them sufficiently aware. Though I haven't decided who is behaving the worst at 1950–51 Baghdad bombings we should think about some admin action which is sufficient to be sure that the conduct of all parties reaches the expected quality level for ARBPIA articles. It is tempting to think that a sanction to Plot Spoiler might be what is needed. In the September 2013 case, it was found that Plot Spoiler was applying different standards to the quality of the sources on the two sides of the dispute. EdJohnston (talk) 17:52, 26 June 2014 (UTC) Hm, I'm waiting for a statement by Plot Spoiler. Sandstein 18:30, 26 June 2014 (UTC) Plot Spoiler now says he will be away until Tuesday July 1. How about we suspend this with no action, provided he does not edit Misplaced Pages in the mean time? EdJohnston (talk) 04:57, 27 June 2014 (UTC) OK. Sandstein 05:15, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Complaint suspended until User:Plot Spoiler returns on July 1. If anyone has something to add, feel free to unhat this report. EdJohnston (talk) 17:53, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

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Request concerning Plot Spoiler

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Oncenawhile (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 17:48, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: Plot Spoiler (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log

Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Misplaced Pages:ARBPIA : Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Palestine-Israel_articles#Standard_discretionary_sanctions

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

Revert on 25 June after my directly related talk proposal on 22 June went unanswered for three days
Revert on 7 June after my directly related talk proposal on 30 May went unanswered for a week
Revert on 22 May

In return for talk page discussion, detailed sourcing and verification, and lots of patience, Plot Spoiler responds with reverts, silence, reverts, and occasional personal attacks on talk. For the avoidance of doubt I asked Georgewilliamherbert for advice in February re dealing with such behaviour from Plot Spoiler, and have been following his advice to ensure I have crystal clean hands.

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

WP:AE/Archive139#Plot_Spoiler Sep 2013 ARBPIA enforcement
WP:3RR/User:Greyshark09_and_User:Plot_Spoiler Jan 2014 warning re slow burn edit war

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

In response to User:Sandstein below, this is a clear case of slow burn edit warring from an editor who should know better. Whilst the slow burn nature means it didn't trip the 1RR 24 hour bright line, it has had the same effect via three reverts, and should be considered as such. Oncenawhile (talk) 19:51, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi User:Sandstein, sorry i'm being slow. I have now linked to the specific remedy above. Plot Spoiler was blocked under ARBPIA about 9 months ago, so is well aware of the sanctions. I also reminded him about them on talk between the second and third revert above . Oncenawhile (talk) 20:43, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

And he was notified directly re the risk of sanctions from slow burn edit warring at User_talk:Plot_Spoiler/Archive_3#Discretionary_sanctions_notification. Oncenawhile (talk) 20:54, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning Plot Spoiler

Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.

Statement by Plot Spoiler

Apologies, I'm unable to provide a thoughtful and detailed response until at least Tuesday, July 1. I will not be editing in the interim. Your patience is appreciated. Plot Spoiler (talk) 01:52, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Plot Spoiler

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

The complaint does not make clear which if any specific remedy should be enforced and/or which if any conduct rule these reverts are deemed to violate. It is not actionable as submitted. Sandstein 18:28, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Even as amended, the complaint does not specify the remedy to be enforced and, if this is to be a discretionary sanctions request, does not indicate how Plot Spoiler was aware (as required) of these sanctions. Still not actionable. Sandstein 20:16, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Sandstein, you issued 3-month ARBPIA ban to Plot Spoiler in September 2013. This should make them sufficiently aware. Though I haven't decided who is behaving the worst at 1950–51 Baghdad bombings we should think about some admin action which is sufficient to be sure that the conduct of all parties reaches the expected quality level for ARBPIA articles. It is tempting to think that a sanction to Plot Spoiler might be what is needed. In the September 2013 case, it was found that Plot Spoiler was applying different standards to the quality of the sources on the two sides of the dispute. EdJohnston (talk) 17:52, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Hm, I'm waiting for a statement by Plot Spoiler. Sandstein 18:30, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Plot Spoiler now says he will be away until Tuesday July 1. How about we suspend this with no action, provided he does not edit Misplaced Pages in the mean time? EdJohnston (talk) 04:57, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

OK. Sandstein 05:15, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Sepsis II

Sean.hoyland briefly blocked and restricted, no action otherwise. Sandstein 09:38, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Request concerning Sepsis II User who is submitting this request for enforcement AmirSurfLera (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 08:51, 28 June 2014 (UTC) User against whom enforcement is requested Sepsis II (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log Sanction or remedy to be enforced WP:ARBPIA Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it 21:47 Revert 1 22:04 Revert 2 22:33 Revert 3 Additional comments by editor filing complaint Hypocrisy? User clearly broke 1RR in an Arab-Israeli conflict article and he knows very well what is this because he reported me several times for much less. Sean.hoyland: First of all, sockpuppetry is a serious accusation and if you don't have proofs to make this claim against me, I suggest you to retract yourself. Second, for much less than this I was blocked (I was "reverting" an edit from three months ago and I even reverted myself almost immediately). I already paid my punishment for violating 1RR. Now it's time for Sepsis II to pay the price for violating Misplaced Pages's policy over and over again with complete impunity. Third, you should stop defending a clear POV user who constantly deletes sourced information who doesn't like, replacing it with POV content supported by sources failing WP:RS, and always responds with personal attacks against other editors on edit summaries and talk pages. Do you need examples? I think you know exactly what I'm talking about. Unfortunately your statement only shows your blatant bias. Good day.--AmirSurfLera (talk) 09:21, 28 June 2014 (UTC) Sean.hoyland: Funny that you mention that I broke 1RR in 2014 kidnapping of Israeli teens, because so far I haven't reverted any edit there. Can you show me a link to prove me wrong? Of course you can't! I'm getting tired of your false accusations and lies. If you knew the difference between right and wrong, you should have reported users like Sepsis II long time ago instead of trying to censor me for causeless ideological reasons.--AmirSurfLera (talk) 10:16, 28 June 2014 (UTC) Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested Discussion concerning Sepsis II Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks. Statement by Sepsis II I can't comment unless Sandstein recuse himself from WP:ARE, I would explain why, but if I did that here he would ironically blocked me. Sepsis II (talk) 16:56, 28 June 2014 (UTC) Because you place enforcing the letter of wikipedia policy before the interests of wikipedia. Have you ever applied WP:IAR or WP:DUCK? Sepsis II (talk) 18:58, 28 June 2014 (UTC) Because you act like you can't understand the complaint when it's extremely obvious, because you didn't close the complaint as a clear misunderstanding of 1RR policy, because you block good users for being honest thus crushing honest discussion here. Sepsis II (talk) 19:13, 28 June 2014 (UTC) Awe what a precious moment a wonderful new user has return to bless wikipedia with his wonderful edit, . If anyone here was interested in improving wikipedia they would immediately ban that account, related IPs, and unblock Sean.hoyland. 05:48, 29 June 2014 (UTC) Statement by Sean.hoyland The first 2 diffs are reverts of IPs, "Reverts of edits made by anonymous IP editors that are not vandalism are exempt from 1RR but are subject to the usual rules on edit warring." Actually Brewcrewer should probably be blocked for that terrible edit, one of the worst I've seen for a while I have to say. AmirSurfLera, as a sockpuppet, you are violating the rules to be here are you not and yet you expect others to follow the rules. How can that kind of behavior possibly be justified ? How can ARBPIA function when there are 2 classes of editors, those who have to follow the rules and those who don't ? Sean.hoyland - talk 09:02, 28 June 2014 (UTC) But it should be you who reports yourself. That is what you should do. It should be you who does the right thing. It should be you who explores ways to legitimately return as an editor. It should not be me and others wasting our time trying to stop you. You should be trying to stop you. My statement shows that, like most editors, I know the difference between right and wrong and that I tell the truth. Every editor in ARBPIA looks like a POV editor to me. I'm defending common decency not Sepsis. Why ? Not out of some sense of moral outrage or part of some pointless battle over microgeography, but because ARBPIA simply can't function when there are 2 classes of editors, one that has to follow the rules and the other that doesn't. It just doesn't work. Sepsis hasn't violated 1RR in the example you provide. On the other hand, you probably violated 1RR at the same article, 2014 kidnapping of Israeli teens, in your 6 edits between 2014-06-20T02:10:03‎ and 2014-06-20T19:00:00. ‎Many people have been violating 1RR, strictly speaking, at that article as it's developed but it seems you are motivated by revenge and so have filed this case. Sean.hoyland - talk 09:45, 28 June 2014 (UTC) I didn't. I said probably because it's hard not to violate 1RR when an article is being developed. I haven't looked at your edits. I am not going to do it here because I am not going to trying to get you blocked for a 1RR violation if there is one. You were not edit warring or editing in a different way than other editors at that article at that time. I raised it as a potential issue because I see double standards in your behavior and attitude. I would like you blocked for sockpuppetry but without a clear set of requirements that you need to meet in order to return as a legitimate editor and without an agreement from you that you will abide by it there is little point. What you need to do to see whether you violated 1RR at that article or anywhere is read a recent case at ANI that clarified what a revert is and examine your edits in light of that (see here). A revert probably isn't what you think it is. It wasn't what I thought it was. That discussion has implications for everyone in ARBPIA so I also posted it at WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration here. And you should trust me. Sean.hoyland - talk 10:59, 28 June 2014 (UTC) Statement by RolandR Sandstein, if you have blocked Sean for his comments above suggesting sockpuppetry, you really should block checkuser Elockid for his comments here. RolandR (talk) 16:04, 28 June 2014 (UTC) Statement by Nishidani SH's comments about ASL's (putative) sockpuppetry ('The use of multiple Misplaced Pages user accounts for an improper purpose') appear to draw on Elockid's checkuser judgement that 'it is a user who has edited before', which AmirSurfLera is on record as denying. If those comments consist of an inference, unproven and therefore unwarranted, then there might be a case for SH's short suspension for disruptiveness. If they stem not from personal guesswork, but rather, as would appear to be the case, from taking an experienced admin's judgement as objective, then it is hard to understand the severity. (Well, it is not that severe, except contextually. I haven't checked the log,- but can't recall him ever doing anything that brought down the book against him - but SH is notorious for not allowing his judgement to succumb to group pressures or POVs from either side. He keeps both honest by his independence.) I dislike expressing opinions here, and do so only because of the senile frailty which tempted me to make a semantic joke, for which I apologize.Nishidani (talk) 16:37, 28 June 2014 (UTC) Well, Sepsis, you cannot choose your judges here or elsewhere. You have no right to impose conditions, and in doing so by personalizing this you implicitly challenge the bona fides of an admin with extensive experience. and in doing so you thus prejudice your defence. You should retract or expect that the attitude displayed tells against you (whereas in my view, the evidence by ASL is groundless). Nishidani (talk) 18:05, 28 June 2014 (UTC) No. You are still in the wrong. Admins do not block people 'ironically', which would be a patent abuse of their function, which is rule-governed. Sandstein requestd a comment from you if the non-actionable charge underwent amendment. It requires no great exercise of imagination to see that, if ASL has not emended his statement, his charge is not actionable, and no statement is required. If ASL has emended his charge and evidence, then you are obliged to respect Sandstein's request for your comment. You are making something simple look extremely complicated. All you need do is construe precisely what Sandstein wrote, and reply succinctly if necessary. I don't know how things stand, but this is a matter of WP:AGF, demonstrating one's bona fides and wikipedian compliance with standard procedures, and should not be personalized implicitly or otherwise.Nishidani (talk) 18:25, 28 June 2014 (UTC) Without wishing to defend Sandstein, I think you ignore that,were WP:IAR and WP:DUCK part of an admin's tools, the result would be chaos, since the first would lead to discretionary abuses, while the second is inferential. Editors can avail themselves of these measures on rare occasions. Administrators must hew with finicky exactness to (a) evidence and (b) the written code for judging evidence. A second point is that, admins have a collegial environment, which generally, not always, is self-correcting. They may not convince the plaintiff, but they must convince each other. Given that, your reserve is misplaced, for you are at liberty to request, I would think, a further opinion. But you should not judge or prejudge the outcome of any admin's review. We all have POVs that are at odds with the interests of wikipedia, this is true of me as it is of you, and we are obliged to rein that in. The interests of wikipedia are not with 'truth' but with quality and comprehensive range of precise reportage of the best sources and admins do not evaluate edits in terms of their qualitative value, but in terms of their consonance with the given rules. They can't be expected to know what editors on the ground might know, which is your real complaint. For were they to evaluate cases omnisciently, they would get a God complex and exercise a discretion as arbitrary in mundane terms as it would prove parlously close to partisanship (since the vast majority of bad editing comes from obvious IP, sockpuppet and POV-obsessed editors promoting a national cause, something its partisans grieve over in blogs that rage against wikipedia precisely because the rules, and general adminitrative sanctions in wikipedia do, in the end, militate against these practices, and the collateral damage is minimal. Nishidani (talk) 19:38, 28 June 2014 (UTC) Three editors now Roland R, myself and Dlv999 have asked for clarification of why SH's use of Elockid's statement to assert something quite specific, that ASL has edited wiki before adopting a new handle, is sanctionable. This is important since SH is virtually the only experienced editor in this troubled area who tracks the extremely problematical and intricate patterns of socking there. A ban that is not tightly argued and reasonable beyond dispute risks effectively maiming our ability to defend wikipedia from the large number of socks, meatpuppets and pseudo-newbies who barge in almost daily. This is not special pleading for SH, nor is it partisan. It is special pleading to not make the work of editors in this area even more sisyphean than it already it.Nishidani (talk) 08:19, 29 June 2014 (UTC) Statement by Serialjoepsycho The above diffs are for 3 reverted editors. 2 of those are ip editors. IP under these sections fall under the 3rr policy as understand. Since as written above this can be "declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below." I do have to question you waiting for it to be amended. And while these sanctions are allowed to be applied broadly under ARBPIA, I have to say you went a little bit more broad than I expect was intended. Being that the only relation to this and ARBPIA is that this was a request for sanctions under it and being that you do have policy that governs user conduct here I have to question such a broad application. Taking into account Nishidani comments, then taking into account Sean's comments... Specifically the third paragraph. He says he would like to see AmirSurfLera blocked but with requirements that actually would allow him to came back and edit properly. With all of that I'd like to ask you to reconsider your sanctions and amend them. Sean is often a contributor I see in arbpia related pages. I often see him making editors aware of arbpia sanctions. That is both Partsan types of editor any other type of editor. Over all I feel he very nuetral in his actions. His conduct here not withstanding, I do feel overall he can be more helpful than hurtful to this specific process.Serialjoepsycho (talk) 01:49, 29 June 2014 (UTC) Statement by Dlv999 Are any of the of the admins willing to address the point raised by RolandR? Namely that SHoyland's comments about AmirSurfLera being a sock were based on information he received directly from checkuser Elockid. To my mind it seems totally rational and reasonable to base statements about editor's sockpupetry on information received from checkusers. Dlv999 (talk) 07:12, 29 June 2014 (UTC) Result concerning Sepsis II This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above. I have removed an extraneous comment that had nothing to do with the matter at hand. Editors who have nothing useful to say about the specific complaint being made here should not comment. All participants are reminded of WP:AC/DS#Decorum. Concerning Sepsis II: The complaint is not actionable as submitted because it does not cite a specific remedy that is to be enforced. I am waiting for it to be amended and, if it is, for a statement by Sepsis II. Concerning AmirSurfLera: The allegations by Sean.hoyland of sockpuppetry and violating revert restrictions are not actionable for, among other reasons, lack of submitted evidence in the form of diffs. Concerning Sean.hoyland: The conduct by Sean.hoyland, above, is disruptive in that they repeatedly allege that AmirSurfLera is a sockpuppet without providing appropriate or indeed any evidence, even after being asked to (see WP:ASPERSIONS). Because this complaint concerns the Arab-Israeli conflict, this thread is subject to WP:ARBPIA#Standard discretionary sanctions, about which Sean.hoyland has been previously notified. As a discretionary sanction, and also as authorized by WP:AC/DS#Decorum, Sean.hoyland is blocked for 48 hours for their conduct on this page, and is also banned from commenting on arbitration enforcement requests by others relating to the Arab-Israeli conflict topic area, except where Sean.hoyland's own conduct is the subject of the request. Sandstein 11:05, 28 June 2014 (UTC) @Sepsis II: Could you please tell me why you think I should recuse myself? Sandstein 18:46, 28 June 2014 (UTC) The reasons you give – disagreeing with my approach to arbitration enforcement – are not reasons that would warrant a recusal. Your request that I recuse myself is declined. On the merits, the request is not actionable. As Sean.hoyland points out, the remedy at WP:ARBPIA#General 1RR restriction (as amended) provides that "reverts of edits made by anonymous IP editors that are not vandalism are exempt from 1RR but are subject to the usual rules on edit warring". The complaint does not make the argument, and it is also not evident, that the reverts (of IPs) at issue are sanctionable as edit-warring, or that any other remedy might apply. I would therefore take no action in this case. Sandstein 19:23, 28 June 2014 (UTC) Sandstein I agree with everything (including that it's non-actionable re the reverts of IPs) except one thing: I think the indefinite restriction on Sean.hoyland from commenting in AE requests (etc) is very harsh given that they were also blocked for it. I'd ask that you at least set an expiry date, three months seems to be reasonable period. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 02:59, 29 June 2014 (UTC) Sepsis II made three reverts but two of them were of IP edits, so they don't count against 1RR. I agree with Callanecc that if Sean.hoyland is to be banned from commenting on ARBPIA requests at AE, the duration should not exceed three months. It should also be made clear whether Sean's restriction only prevents him from making posts at AE or if it restricts him from comenting on others' AE problems on all pages of Misplaced Pages. Note that there were three reports of violations by AmirSurfLera at AE in Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive151 and two of them led to sanctions. One time he was blocked for a week. The next time a problem with AmirSurfLera's edits is reported here a topic ban ought to be considered. We can tolerate a few mistakes by new users but this editor is pushing the limits. EdJohnston (talk) 03:51, 29 June 2014 (UTC) Concurring with the comments above discussing a limited restriction for Sean.hoyland regarding comments at AE, and that this request should be closed without action. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 04:56, 29 June 2014 (UTC) Based on the opinions above, I'm limiting the restriction that applies to Sean.hoyland to three months, and am closing the request without action. Sandstein 09:36, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Sean.hoyland briefly blocked and restricted, no action otherwise. Sandstein 09:38, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Request concerning Sepsis II

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: AmirSurfLera (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 08:51, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: Sepsis II (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: WP:ARBPIA

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

21:47 Revert 1
22:04 Revert 2
22:33 Revert 3

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Hypocrisy? User clearly broke 1RR in an Arab-Israeli conflict article and he knows very well what is this because he reported me several times for much less.

Sean.hoyland: First of all, sockpuppetry is a serious accusation and if you don't have proofs to make this claim against me, I suggest you to retract yourself. Second, for much less than this I was blocked (I was "reverting" an edit from three months ago and I even reverted myself almost immediately). I already paid my punishment for violating 1RR. Now it's time for Sepsis II to pay the price for violating Misplaced Pages's policy over and over again with complete impunity. Third, you should stop defending a clear POV user who constantly deletes sourced information who doesn't like, replacing it with POV content supported by sources failing WP:RS, and always responds with personal attacks against other editors on edit summaries and talk pages. Do you need examples? I think you know exactly what I'm talking about. Unfortunately your statement only shows your blatant bias. Good day.--AmirSurfLera (talk) 09:21, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Sean.hoyland: Funny that you mention that I broke 1RR in 2014 kidnapping of Israeli teens, because so far I haven't reverted any edit there. Can you show me a link to prove me wrong? Of course you can't! I'm getting tired of your false accusations and lies. If you knew the difference between right and wrong, you should have reported users like Sepsis II long time ago instead of trying to censor me for causeless ideological reasons.--AmirSurfLera (talk) 10:16, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning Sepsis II

Statement by Sepsis II

I can't comment unless Sandstein recuse himself from WP:ARE, I would explain why, but if I did that here he would ironically blocked me. Sepsis II (talk) 16:56, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Because you place enforcing the letter of wikipedia policy before the interests of wikipedia. Have you ever applied WP:IAR or WP:DUCK? Sepsis II (talk) 18:58, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Because you act like you can't understand the complaint when it's extremely obvious, because you didn't close the complaint as a clear misunderstanding of 1RR policy, because you block good users for being honest thus crushing honest discussion here. Sepsis II (talk) 19:13, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Awe what a precious moment a wonderful new user has return to bless wikipedia with his wonderful edit, . If anyone here was interested in improving wikipedia they would immediately ban that account, related IPs, and unblock Sean.hoyland. 05:48, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Statement by Sean.hoyland

The first 2 diffs are reverts of IPs, "Reverts of edits made by anonymous IP editors that are not vandalism are exempt from 1RR but are subject to the usual rules on edit warring." Actually Brewcrewer should probably be blocked for that terrible edit, one of the worst I've seen for a while I have to say. AmirSurfLera, as a sockpuppet, you are violating the rules to be here are you not and yet you expect others to follow the rules. How can that kind of behavior possibly be justified ? How can ARBPIA function when there are 2 classes of editors, those who have to follow the rules and those who don't ? Sean.hoyland - talk 09:02, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

But it should be you who reports yourself. That is what you should do. It should be you who does the right thing. It should be you who explores ways to legitimately return as an editor. It should not be me and others wasting our time trying to stop you. You should be trying to stop you. My statement shows that, like most editors, I know the difference between right and wrong and that I tell the truth. Every editor in ARBPIA looks like a POV editor to me. I'm defending common decency not Sepsis. Why ? Not out of some sense of moral outrage or part of some pointless battle over microgeography, but because ARBPIA simply can't function when there are 2 classes of editors, one that has to follow the rules and the other that doesn't. It just doesn't work. Sepsis hasn't violated 1RR in the example you provide. On the other hand, you probably violated 1RR at the same article, 2014 kidnapping of Israeli teens, in your 6 edits between 2014-06-20T02:10:03‎ and 2014-06-20T19:00:00. ‎Many people have been violating 1RR, strictly speaking, at that article as it's developed but it seems you are motivated by revenge and so have filed this case. Sean.hoyland - talk 09:45, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

I didn't. I said probably because it's hard not to violate 1RR when an article is being developed. I haven't looked at your edits. I am not going to do it here because I am not going to trying to get you blocked for a 1RR violation if there is one. You were not edit warring or editing in a different way than other editors at that article at that time. I raised it as a potential issue because I see double standards in your behavior and attitude. I would like you blocked for sockpuppetry but without a clear set of requirements that you need to meet in order to return as a legitimate editor and without an agreement from you that you will abide by it there is little point. What you need to do to see whether you violated 1RR at that article or anywhere is read a recent case at ANI that clarified what a revert is and examine your edits in light of that (see here). A revert probably isn't what you think it is. It wasn't what I thought it was. That discussion has implications for everyone in ARBPIA so I also posted it at WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration here. And you should trust me. Sean.hoyland - talk 10:59, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Statement by RolandR

Sandstein, if you have blocked Sean for his comments above suggesting sockpuppetry, you really should block checkuser Elockid for his comments here. RolandR (talk) 16:04, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Statement by Nishidani

SH's comments about ASL's (putative) sockpuppetry ('The use of multiple Misplaced Pages user accounts for an improper purpose') appear to draw on Elockid's checkuser judgement that 'it is a user who has edited before', which AmirSurfLera is on record as denying. If those comments consist of an inference, unproven and therefore unwarranted, then there might be a case for SH's short suspension for disruptiveness. If they stem not from personal guesswork, but rather, as would appear to be the case, from taking an experienced admin's judgement as objective, then it is hard to understand the severity. (Well, it is not that severe, except contextually. I haven't checked the log,- but can't recall him ever doing anything that brought down the book against him - but SH is notorious for not allowing his judgement to succumb to group pressures or POVs from either side. He keeps both honest by his independence.) I dislike expressing opinions here, and do so only because of the senile frailty which tempted me to make a semantic joke, for which I apologize.Nishidani (talk) 16:37, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Well, Sepsis, you cannot choose your judges here or elsewhere. You have no right to impose conditions, and in doing so by personalizing this you implicitly challenge the bona fides of an admin with extensive experience. and in doing so you thus prejudice your defence. You should retract or expect that the attitude displayed tells against you (whereas in my view, the evidence by ASL is groundless). Nishidani (talk) 18:05, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

No. You are still in the wrong. Admins do not block people 'ironically', which would be a patent abuse of their function, which is rule-governed. Sandstein requestd a comment from you if the non-actionable charge underwent amendment. It requires no great exercise of imagination to see that, if ASL has not emended his statement, his charge is not actionable, and no statement is required. If ASL has emended his charge and evidence, then you are obliged to respect Sandstein's request for your comment. You are making something simple look extremely complicated. All you need do is construe precisely what Sandstein wrote, and reply succinctly if necessary. I don't know how things stand, but this is a matter of WP:AGF, demonstrating one's bona fides and wikipedian compliance with standard procedures, and should not be personalized implicitly or otherwise.Nishidani (talk) 18:25, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Without wishing to defend Sandstein, I think you ignore that,were WP:IAR and WP:DUCK part of an admin's tools, the result would be chaos, since the first would lead to discretionary abuses, while the second is inferential. Editors can avail themselves of these measures on rare occasions. Administrators must hew with finicky exactness to (a) evidence and (b) the written code for judging evidence. A second point is that, admins have a collegial environment, which generally, not always, is self-correcting. They may not convince the plaintiff, but they must convince each other. Given that, your reserve is misplaced, for you are at liberty to request, I would think, a further opinion. But you should not judge or prejudge the outcome of any admin's review. We all have POVs that are at odds with the interests of wikipedia, this is true of me as it is of you, and we are obliged to rein that in. The interests of wikipedia are not with 'truth' but with quality and comprehensive range of precise reportage of the best sources and admins do not evaluate edits in terms of their qualitative value, but in terms of their consonance with the given rules. They can't be expected to know what editors on the ground might know, which is your real complaint. For were they to evaluate cases omnisciently, they would get a God complex and exercise a discretion as arbitrary in mundane terms as it would prove parlously close to partisanship (since the vast majority of bad editing comes from obvious IP, sockpuppet and POV-obsessed editors promoting a national cause, something its partisans grieve over in blogs that rage against wikipedia precisely because the rules, and general adminitrative sanctions in wikipedia do, in the end, militate against these practices, and the collateral damage is minimal. Nishidani (talk) 19:38, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Three editors now Roland R, myself and Dlv999 have asked for clarification of why SH's use of Elockid's statement to assert something quite specific, that ASL has edited wiki before adopting a new handle, is sanctionable. This is important since SH is virtually the only experienced editor in this troubled area who tracks the extremely problematical and intricate patterns of socking there. A ban that is not tightly argued and reasonable beyond dispute risks effectively maiming our ability to defend wikipedia from the large number of socks, meatpuppets and pseudo-newbies who barge in almost daily. This is not special pleading for SH, nor is it partisan. It is special pleading to not make the work of editors in this area even more sisyphean than it already it.Nishidani (talk) 08:19, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Statement by Serialjoepsycho

The above diffs are for 3 reverted editors. 2 of those are ip editors. IP under these sections fall under the 3rr policy as understand. Since as written above this can be "declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below." I do have to question you waiting for it to be amended. And while these sanctions are allowed to be applied broadly under ARBPIA, I have to say you went a little bit more broad than I expect was intended. Being that the only relation to this and ARBPIA is that this was a request for sanctions under it and being that you do have policy that governs user conduct here I have to question such a broad application. Taking into account Nishidani comments, then taking into account Sean's comments... Specifically the third paragraph. He says he would like to see AmirSurfLera blocked but with requirements that actually would allow him to came back and edit properly. With all of that I'd like to ask you to reconsider your sanctions and amend them. Sean is often a contributor I see in arbpia related pages. I often see him making editors aware of arbpia sanctions. That is both Partsan types of editor any other type of editor. Over all I feel he very nuetral in his actions. His conduct here not withstanding, I do feel overall he can be more helpful than hurtful to this specific process.Serialjoepsycho (talk) 01:49, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Statement by Dlv999

Are any of the of the admins willing to address the point raised by RolandR? Namely that SHoyland's comments about AmirSurfLera being a sock were based on information he received directly from checkuser Elockid. To my mind it seems totally rational and reasonable to base statements about editor's sockpupetry on information received from checkusers. Dlv999 (talk) 07:12, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Result concerning Sepsis II

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

I have removed an extraneous comment that had nothing to do with the matter at hand. Editors who have nothing useful to say about the specific complaint being made here should not comment. All participants are reminded of WP:AC/DS#Decorum.

Concerning Sepsis II: The complaint is not actionable as submitted because it does not cite a specific remedy that is to be enforced. I am waiting for it to be amended and, if it is, for a statement by Sepsis II.

Concerning AmirSurfLera: The allegations by Sean.hoyland of sockpuppetry and violating revert restrictions are not actionable for, among other reasons, lack of submitted evidence in the form of diffs.

Concerning Sean.hoyland: The conduct by Sean.hoyland, above, is disruptive in that they repeatedly allege that AmirSurfLera is a sockpuppet without providing appropriate or indeed any evidence, even after being asked to (see WP:ASPERSIONS). Because this complaint concerns the Arab-Israeli conflict, this thread is subject to WP:ARBPIA#Standard discretionary sanctions, about which Sean.hoyland has been previously notified. As a discretionary sanction, and also as authorized by WP:AC/DS#Decorum, Sean.hoyland is blocked for 48 hours for their conduct on this page, and is also banned from commenting on arbitration enforcement requests by others relating to the Arab-Israeli conflict topic area, except where Sean.hoyland's own conduct is the subject of the request. Sandstein 11:05, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

@Sepsis II: Could you please tell me why you think I should recuse myself? Sandstein 18:46, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

The reasons you give – disagreeing with my approach to arbitration enforcement – are not reasons that would warrant a recusal. Your request that I recuse myself is declined. On the merits, the request is not actionable. As Sean.hoyland points out, the remedy at WP:ARBPIA#General 1RR restriction (as amended) provides that "reverts of edits made by anonymous IP editors that are not vandalism are exempt from 1RR but are subject to the usual rules on edit warring". The complaint does not make the argument, and it is also not evident, that the reverts (of IPs) at issue are sanctionable as edit-warring, or that any other remedy might apply. I would therefore take no action in this case. Sandstein 19:23, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Sandstein I agree with everything (including that it's non-actionable re the reverts of IPs) except one thing: I think the indefinite restriction on Sean.hoyland from commenting in AE requests (etc) is very harsh given that they were also blocked for it. I'd ask that you at least set an expiry date, three months seems to be reasonable period. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 02:59, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Sepsis II made three reverts but two of them were of IP edits, so they don't count against 1RR. I agree with Callanecc that if Sean.hoyland is to be banned from commenting on ARBPIA requests at AE, the duration should not exceed three months. It should also be made clear whether Sean's restriction only prevents him from making posts at AE or if it restricts him from comenting on others' AE problems on all pages of Misplaced Pages. Note that there were three reports of violations by AmirSurfLera at AE in Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive151 and two of them led to sanctions. One time he was blocked for a week. The next time a problem with AmirSurfLera's edits is reported here a topic ban ought to be considered. We can tolerate a few mistakes by new users but this editor is pushing the limits. EdJohnston (talk) 03:51, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Concurring with the comments above discussing a limited restriction for Sean.hoyland regarding comments at AE, and that this request should be closed without action. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 04:56, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Based on the opinions above, I'm limiting the restriction that applies to Sean.hoyland to three months, and am closing the request without action. Sandstein 09:36, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Kipa Aduma, Esq.

No action here. A sock report has been filed at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Kipa Aduma, Esq.. EdJohnston (talk) 18:28, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Request concerning Kipa Aduma, Esq. User who is submitting this request for enforcement Sepsis II (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 05:53, 29 June 2014 (UTC) User against whom enforcement is requested Kipa Aduma, Esq. (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log Sanction or remedy to be enforced WP:ARBPIA - 1RR, WP:SOCKPUPPET, WP:COMMONSENSE Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it Revert 1 Revert 2 Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any He's a sock. Well Callanecc, there are just so many puppetmasters with the same hatred, the sock in the case above is obviously either Nocal or AndresHerutJaim per their long history of using socks to edit 2012 in Israel and like articles. This account could be so many, possibly not even one of a known sockmaster but a second account of a current editor. I could point to the account editing the same pages as previously blocked sock but these sockmasters have been working so long that the vast majority of IP articles have been attacked by them. Other editors have stated this account could be one by AnkhMorpork, Nocal, or Breein1007. Here's one of his sister account . At least one admin can spot that this account is a sock . Anyhow, this account fails the duck test; no normal editor makes a hundred edits over two years but only on a few days. His first edit is a revert, his second is to delegitimize the existance of Palestinians. I know this is futile; many of these sockmasters have hundreds of warnings to their names from this ineffective board. Additional comments by editor filing complaint Block the sock. Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested Discussion concerning Kipa Aduma, Esq. Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks. Statement by Kipa Aduma, Esq. What is described as "revert #2" is nothing of the kind - it is the addition of a new tag to the article. As to sock allegations, I see that in the report just above this one, an editor making similar allegations without proof was blocked for disruptive editing. Consistency requires that the same standard be applied here. Kipa Aduma, Esq. (talk) 06:04, 29 June 2014 (UTC) Statement by (username) Result concerning Kipa Aduma, Esq. This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above. Sepsis II: Sock of whom, where is the evidence that they are a sock (same or similar edits by the master and the sock)? Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 06:06, 29 June 2014 (UTC) Pre-empting Sandstein-- you need to include the specific remedy of the case you want enforced for this to be actionable. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 06:08, 29 June 2014 (UTC) This is going to be wayyyy too difficult to handle here, I'm in the process of filing an SPI. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 07:09, 29 June 2014 (UTC) @Sepsis II: just saying "He's a sock ... block the sock" is definitely not going to get you any action and just wastes time. Imagine if admins could just use that as a rationale for blocking any account they wanted to. If you want to see action from any admin, even on this "ineffective board" you need to provide evidence and explanation. For complex cases, especially where you don't know who the sockpuppeteer is you need to report it to WP:SPI with evidence so that it can be investigated. In any case, recommend closing this as deferred to SPI (Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Kipa Aduma, Esq.). Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 07:58, 29 June 2014 (UTC) I agree that sockpuppetry reports should generally be handled at WP:SPI, and that this request can be closed without further action. Thanks, Callanecc, for doing the paperwork. I would remind the complainant that accusations of misconduct without the expected quantity and quality of evidence are disruptive and can result in sanctions. But, in response to Kipa Aduma, Esq., this request falls short of being sanctionable because I am assuming it to be a good-faith attempt at requesting admin action that cites at least some conduct patterns as evidence, rather than, as in the request above, being a response to an enforcement request that personally attacks the complainant for being a sockpuppet without any evidence being offered even on request. Sandstein 09:47, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

No action here. A sock report has been filed at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Kipa Aduma, Esq.. EdJohnston (talk) 18:28, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

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Request concerning Kipa Aduma, Esq.

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Sepsis II (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 05:53, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: Kipa Aduma, Esq. (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log

Sanction or remedy to be enforced: WP:ARBPIA - 1RR, WP:SOCKPUPPET, WP:COMMONSENSE

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

Revert 1
Revert 2

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

He's a sock.

Well Callanecc, there are just so many puppetmasters with the same hatred, the sock in the case above is obviously either Nocal or AndresHerutJaim per their long history of using socks to edit 2012 in Israel and like articles. This account could be so many, possibly not even one of a known sockmaster but a second account of a current editor. I could point to the account editing the same pages as previously blocked sock but these sockmasters have been working so long that the vast majority of IP articles have been attacked by them. Other editors have stated this account could be one by AnkhMorpork, Nocal, or Breein1007. Here's one of his sister account . At least one admin can spot that this account is a sock .

Anyhow, this account fails the duck test; no normal editor makes a hundred edits over two years but only on a few days. His first edit is a revert, his second is to delegitimize the existance of Palestinians. I know this is futile; many of these sockmasters have hundreds of warnings to their names from this ineffective board.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Block the sock.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning Kipa Aduma, Esq.

Statement by Kipa Aduma, Esq.

What is described as "revert #2" is nothing of the kind - it is the addition of a new tag to the article. As to sock allegations, I see that in the report just above this one, an editor making similar allegations without proof was blocked for disruptive editing. Consistency requires that the same standard be applied here. Kipa Aduma, Esq. (talk) 06:04, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Kipa Aduma, Esq.

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

Sepsis II: Sock of whom, where is the evidence that they are a sock (same or similar edits by the master and the sock)? Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 06:06, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
Pre-empting Sandstein-- you need to include the specific remedy of the case you want enforced for this to be actionable. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 06:08, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

This is going to be wayyyy too difficult to handle here, I'm in the process of filing an SPI. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 07:09, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
- @Sepsis II: just saying "He's a sock ... block the sock" is definitely not going to get you any action and just wastes time. Imagine if admins could just use that as a rationale for blocking any account they wanted to. If you want to see action from any admin, even on this "ineffective board" you need to provide evidence and explanation. For complex cases, especially where you don't know who the sockpuppeteer is you need to report it to WP:SPI with evidence so that it can be investigated. In any case, recommend closing this as deferred to SPI (Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Kipa Aduma, Esq.). Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 07:58, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
  - I agree that sockpuppetry reports should generally be handled at WP:SPI, and that this request can be closed without further action. Thanks, Callanecc, for doing the paperwork. I would remind the complainant that accusations of misconduct without the expected quantity and quality of evidence are disruptive and can result in sanctions. But, in response to Kipa Aduma, Esq., this request falls short of being sanctionable because I am assuming it to be a good-faith attempt at requesting admin action that cites at least some conduct patterns as evidence, rather than, as in the request above, being a response to an enforcement request that personally attacks the complainant for being a sockpuppet without any evidence being offered even on request. Sandstein 09:47, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Sean.hoyland

Request concerning Sean.hoyland

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Kipa Aduma, Esq. (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 09:14, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: Sean.hoyland (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log

Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Misplaced Pages:ARBPIA : Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Palestine-Israel_articles#Standard_discretionary_sanctions

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

06:22, 1 July 2014 First edit after coming off a block for calling me a sock without evidence, repeats the behavior, and says "just to make it crystal clear, I have just done exactly the same thing there that recently resulted in my being blocked for 48 hours by Sandstein for describing a sockpuppet as a sockpuppet. I made it as my very first post-block edit. You are welcome to apply another block. I don't mind"

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

11:12, 28 June 2014 Block for the same behavior - calling people socks without evidence
08:45, 1 July 2014 Clarification by blocking admin that such behavior constitutes personal attacks, and will be dealt with accordingly

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)

Previously given a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict on 28 June 2014 by Sandstein (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA).

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

@Blak Kite - WP:NOTHERE, as I am sure you know, is not a Misplaced Pages policy or guideline. My real life work burden prevents me from editing regularly, but I edit when I can. The I-P topic is one my main interests, and when I edit there, I do so without breaking any policies or guidelines, which is more than I can say for the predictable pile-ons by some of the commenters here, or by Sean.hoyland. What policy exactly are you basing your suggestion to topic ban me on?

And to all the editors who are now claiming Sean is merely "frustrated", or "blew his cool", I refer you to his most recent edit: "Editors can do and say anything and take the consequences. I know you probably won't be able to understand this but I haven't made any mistakes. Everything I've done is considered and deliberate". Administrators on this board have, as far as I can tell, two options: They can ivent an excuse to block be , not based on Misplaced Pages policy, while letting an editor brazenly thumb their nose at this site's policies regarding personal attacks, and allow them to continue, in a calculated and deliberate way to drive contributors like me, whose opinions they don't like off the project. In the process, they will of course make a mockery of Sandstein's original block for this kind of behavior and their subsequent declaration that the rules are clear and that such personal attacks will be "dealt with accordingly" ; or they can start enforcing the rules without making excuses on behalf of supposedly useful contributors.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning Sean.hoyland

Statement by Sean.hoyland

Statement by Nomoskedasticity

Four days after this editor's "debut", Ohiostandard (talk · contribs) left a message noting the suspicion of socking. Just sayin'. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 09:23, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

So do y'all think that the editor is not a sock?? That would be a tad ridiculous, no? Nomoskedasticity (talk) 09:59, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Statement by Nishidani

Okay. The most astute, informed and relatively untarnished SPI/IP/ abuse account expert in the I(P area has blown his cool. His edit summary is, self-evidently, a request for a perma-ban because of his outrage (shared, I would add) at the extraordinary sanction applied to him for what was deemed a WP:AGF infraction, in an area where I don't even note any more the insults that fly my way, or make formal protests here or at AN/1. He feels, one gathers, that his record was blemished by an intense focus on a technical piece of the minutiae of good faith protocols, to the exclusion of what everyone knows. There is something extremely odd about the Kipa Aduma account, as there is about AmirSurfLera's and his edits are a disaster. The point that tipped his detachment lies here. He thought in the Sepsis case that he was in his rights to call an editor a sock (multiple account user) on the basis of an assurance given to him by an experienced checkuser that AmirSurfLera, despite his denials, had worked on wikipedia under another account. Several people thought that SH's inference was absolutely rational. Sandstein did not. I laid out the point here in the the Sepsis case just prior to the Kipa Aduma case:

SH's comments about ASL's (putative) sockpuppetry ('The use of multiple Misplaced Pages user accounts for an improper purpose') appear to draw on Elockid's checkuser judgement that 'it is a user who has edited before', which AmirSurfLera is on record as denying. If those comments consist of an inference, unproven and therefore unwarranted, then there might be a case for SH's short suspension for disruptiveness. If they stem not from personal guesswork, but rather, as would appear to be the case, from taking an experienced admin's judgement as objective, then it is hard to understand the severity.

Two other expressly noted the formal problem as I noted here.

Three editors now Roland R, myself and Dlv999 have asked for clarification of why SH's use of Elockid's statement to assert something quite specific, that ASL has edited wiki before adopting a new handle, is sanctionable. This is important since SH is virtually the only experienced editor in this troubled area who tracks the extremely problematical and intricate patterns of socking there. A ban that is not tightly argued and reasonable beyond dispute risks effectively maiming our ability to defend wikipedia from the large number of socks, meatpuppets and pseudo-newbies who barge in almost daily. This is not special pleading for SH, nor is it partisan. It is special pleading to not make the work of editors in this area even more sisyphean than it already it.

The case was closed without any consideration given to a point independently raised by myself,RolandR, and Dlv999. The refusal to answer the point may be al legitimate exercise in discretional insouciance to what is deemed a technical irrerlevance. But we peons would reply that Sandstein's reading, and tacit dismissal, has left (a) editors not knowing any longer whether they can trust checkuser assurances and (b) SH (I don't know who he is and we have never corresponded, for the record) so pissed off he is apparently willing to challenge the arbitrator, by a formally suicidal edit summary. So, while technical a severe sanction is a quick mechanical consequence, a refusal to address several complaints about what long-term editors think is a vizio di forma or legal flaw at the basis of SH's ban is, inevitably, going to deprive the area of its most experienced technician for detecting the viral plague that makes work in this, excuse me, cesspit of corrupt editing, almost intolerable. A case of overattention to one detail, itself disputed, Sandstein, which now looks like having a drastically negative impact on the I/P area's functionality. Nishidani (talk) 10:34, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

BK. Quite correct that 'Whether Kipa Aduma, Esq is a sock of another user or not actually isn't the point here'. But since, he is one of two editors whom almost all in the area from detailed experience consider uncannily like a duck, and, having escaped challenge, now is setting his sights on outing an editor with an outstanding record for contributing to the sanity of this place, the complaint he lays certainly demands that we look at why SeanH's remark arose: the point then is also: was SH's inference, which led to the sanction in the first place, proper or not. No answer has been given, and a large number of editors are puzzled. I have great respect for Sandstein's almost Olympian judgement, the ability to cut to the chase, as repeated over the years. Here, I must admit, I think that meticulousness saw one (small) problem, and ignored what many thought an obvious issue as though it were impertinent in both senses- namely, the statement by Elockid which most of us read as validating the idea that ASL had, contrary to his protestations, edited under another name, and therefore was a sock. Surely that statement by Elockid and SH's logical assumption that it constituted a clear-cut basis for his own remark, requires reanalysis. There's nothing personal in this, or partisan. One's sense of how to read things is destablized if this remains obscure. Nishidani (talk) 11:43, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Statement by Huldra

A doctor in my country recently had to stand trial for drunk-driving. He was the only doctor on an isolated island. One late Saturday night, he got a phone-call about an emergency. Even though he had taken two glasses of wine, (thereby clearly breaking our very strict drunk-driving laws) he sat himself in the car (there was nobody else there to drive him) and got to the patient.

He was freed at the trial, as the Judge noted that that nobody was hurt by his driving, and that the patient would surely have died if he had not got there. Nobody criticised the judge, but the patient had really, really been lucky.

Undoubtedly, many doctors would have said "rules are rules!" -and refused to drive.

CU Elockid said this about AmirSurfLera here. To Sandstein: Is it a blocable offence to repeat that? Is it an offence to link to it? Sickly patients wants to know. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 11:22, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Everyone, (including me), seems to mix up Kipa Aduma, Esq. and AmirSurfLera. No wonder. Lets sum it up:

Kipa Aduma, Esq. (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Started editing 10 June 2012, but has only 163 edits: long dormant period. 1st edit a revert.
- On the 11 June 2011, Kipa Aduma, Esq. was named as a possible sock of AnkhMorpork, by Oncenawhile, see Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet_investigations/AnkhMorpork/Archive
- On the 13th June 2012 Kipa Aduma, Esq. was referred to as an "obvious socks" on WP:AN/I by OhioStandard (link). OhioStandard was not blocked for this. And Kipa Aduma, Esq. somehow follows/is informed about what goes on WP:AN/I after three days on wikipedia, as they referred to it on their talk-page.
- Wikichecker chart:
- AmirSurfLera and Kipa Aduma, Esq. typically reverts with the same POV, on the same pages:
- 05:25, 29 June 2014 revert on Ariel University
- 06:18, 1 July 2014 revert on Ariel University
- 04:28, 30 June 2014 revert on Basic Laws of Israel
- 08:57, 1 July 2014 revert on Basic Laws of Israel
- However, Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet_investigations/Kipa_Aduma,_Esq. was closed without action by Bbb23

AmirSurfLera (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Started 21 March 2014, but have only 404 edits. Did not really get active until a month ago,
- Wikichecker chart:
- CU Elockid said on 8th of April 2014 this about AmirSurfLera "it is a user who has edited before. I'm not sure if they were blocked for sockpuppetry or indeffed blocked but if memory serves me, I believe this user has been blocked before. I just can't quite point my finger who this is, but they are definitely not new." Elockid has not been blocked for this remark.
- AmirSurfLera denies having previously edited Misplaced Pages
- AmirSurfLera is an absolute expert WP:1RR-gamer, just look at these last days:
- 03:43, 30 June 2014 1st revert on Basic Laws of Israel
- 03:43, 1 July 2014 2nd revert on Basic Laws of Israel
- 02:01, 30 June 2014 1st revert on Ariel University
- 02:04, 1 July 2014 2nd revert on Ariel University
- Sean.hoyland thinks that Precision123 (see ) = Shamir1 was an AmirSurfLera sock. Shamir1 was an extremely experienced (8K+) wikiaddict (since 2005) who is indeffed. However, Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet_investigations/AmirSurfLera was closed without action by Bbb23.

Btw, I have spent several hours finding these links, (instead of doing what I love: finding sources for, & writing articles). You so easily say we should "work through the rules". But the I/P area is getting a tsunami of socks, it is impossible to act on them all. We *need* new rules. And we need those few editors who can actually identify those abusive socks. Like Sean.hoyland can.

We do *not* need admins who only spend a *very* limited time, looking for some narrow "rule" which is "actionable". These ducks knows every rule to the core. Look at the above expert 1RR-gaming! I´m seriously impressed! In many cases these ducks have been on Misplaced Pages much longer that the admins they are tricking.

Please at least comment here: Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests#IP_area_still_being_swamped_by_socks Cheers, Huldra (talk) 16:59, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

To Sandstein: I took the liberty of notifying AmirSurfLera here. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:33, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Statement by Zero0000

Sean.hoyland is one of the most balanced and valuable editors in the mideast area of Misplaced Pages. Losing him would be a disaster. The pov-pushers would just throw a party and choose their next victim. I urge administrators to take a wider view and act in the interest of the project. Zero 13:14, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Statement by RolandR

Like many other editors involved in Middle East articles, I am becoming increasingly frustrated by the proliferation of tendentious, throwaway single-purpose accounts. It seems obvious that many of these accounts are socks, very possibly of banned editors, but it is not always possible to reliably identify the puppeteer. This handicaps our ability to take action to deal with the socks, since Misplaced Pages rules require a complaint to name a puppeteer. In the case of AmirSurfLera, Elockid wrote that this is "a user who has edited before. I'm not sure if they were blocked for sockpuppetry or indeffed blocked but if memory serves me, I believe this user has been blocked before. I just can't quite point my finger who this is, but they are definitely not new", so Sean's comment was neither unfounded nor outrageous. I would suggest that a new procedure is needed for reporting and investigating accounts which are clearly socks, even if the editor submitting the report cannot specify who the puppeteer is.

As others have pointed out, this behaviour, which seems to be increasing, taken alongside an apparent tightening of what is considered a revert, is preventing normal constructive editing. If experienced, good-faith editors have to revert non-stop unconstructive edits from these throwaway POV socks, it removes our right to make most other edits to articles. If this continues, all of the decent editors will be driven away, blocked or topic-banned, leaving the field free for trolls, propagandists and other vandals to wreak havoc. RolandR (talk) 16:28, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Statement by Shrike

If admins think that users should be banned for being a SPA then most of those who operate now in I/P area should be banned including those who posted comments in this thread.I don't care either way but please let be consistent--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 20:49, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Result concerning Sean.hoyland

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

I previously sanctioned Sean.hoyland with a brief block and a commenting restriction because, in an earlier AE thread, they repeatedly alleged that Kipa Aduma, Esq., is a sockpuppet, but did not provide evidence in support of that allegation when asked to. Sean.hoyland now continues to repeat that allegation, including on a noticeboard. However, an investigation at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Kipa Aduma, Esq. has since been closed without action. The continued allegations by Sean.hoyland are therefore personal attacks that impede cooperation in the Israel-Palestine conflict topic area, in which both editors are active. They are not acceptable conduct (see, in particular, WP:ASPERSIONS). In an pseudonymous editing environment, editors are required to assume good faith of one another unless they have actionable evidence to the contrary. I am of the view that a week-long block of Sean.hoyland and a ban from the topic of sockpuppetry in the Arab-Israeli conflict area are indicated. But I'd like to hear the opinion of other admins. Sandstein 09:55, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Whether Kipa Aduma, Esq is a sock of another user or not actually isn't the point here, especially since if they are, they're clever enough to circumvent Checkuser. What can be proved is that they are an account that doesn't edit for long periods of times, and then activates to edit-war and/or insert themselves into contentious issues with a clear POV, almost exclusively on IP subjects. This is pretty much a textbook definition of WP:NOTHERE and that alone, I would say, suggests that an IP topic ban would be a suitable method of preventing future issues with this account. Black ~~Kite~~ kite (talk) 11:16, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

If this description of Kipa Aduma, Esq. is correct, then I agree that a topic ban would be suitable. However, nobody has so far made an AE request or submitted evidence to this effect. If such evidence can be supplied here, I'd agree to act on it. Black Kite, I am also interested in your opinion concerning the conduct of Sean.hoyland. Sandstein 11:36, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

I think Sean.hoyland has become as frustrated as many others who have posted above by the continual issues in this topic area created by suspicious single-purpose accounts, many of whom - even if they can't be proved to be sockpuppets of other users - are clearly not new users, as Elockid pointed out. As Nishidani says, Elockid's comment may have been taken by SH and others to mean that particular editor was a proven sock (I realize that he didn't quite say that, but the difference was effectively negligible). Effectively, SH went about things the wrong way when dealing with accounts that frankly really do fail the duck test in many ways and whilst he has clearly breached WP:POINT with his second comment, I am not convinced that another sanction is worthwhile, especially given a comment by a Checkuser that suggests exactly what SH is being sanctioned for. Do we really want to reward these SPA accounts for their incitement of good-faith editors? I don't believe so. As for evidence of Kipa Aduma's modus operandi, a simple perusal of their contributions history should be enough. Black ~~Kite~~ kite (talk) 12:11, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Kipa Aduma, Esq.: whilst WP:NOTHERE is a guideline, it links to policies, and the decision that administrators need to make is whether an account is a net positive to Misplaced Pages. Your account, with its persistent POV editing, edit-warring, and running off to this page to attempt to get good-faith editors blocked for opposing you, clearly is not. Having looked at this in detail now, I would recommend a block and/or a topic ban (effectively the same thing) for both this account and AmirSurfLera. Black ~~Kite~~ kite (talk) 19:31, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't have a particular objection to these proposed sanctions, if only because I am of the view that one-sided single-purpose editing is in and of itself a violation of the conduct aspect of WP:NPOV, and as such sanctionable misconduct. The 1RR gaming evidence by Huldra is also indicative that these accounts may mostly be here to play games. However, the socking evidence is still non-existent, really, there's just a lot of allegations and suppositions. At any rate, having alternate accounts is not in and of itself sanctionable - only abusing them, such as to avoid scrutiny or sanctions, is. And we'd need evidence for that. Also, if AmirSurfLera is to be sanctioned here, they would need to be notified and allowed to make a statement. At any rate, nothing about this changes my appreciation of the conduct of Sean.hoyland, who I note has said on their talk page that they won't comment here. No matter what others, including checkusers, may have suggested, confrontatively accusing others of misconduct without actionable evidence is not permitted. Sandstein 20:25, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

I agree with the first part, but feel that I need to point out that the socking (or not) is irrelevant - it's the disruptive editing that should be taken into account. Whether or not a single-purpose POV edit-warring account is a sock doesn't matter. As regards Sean.hoyland, if a checkuser has (effectively) suggested that an editor is a sock, I don't see how one can sanction anyone else for repeating that claim. Otherwise one would also have to sanction the checkuser. I didn't realise AmirSurfLera had not yet been notified, so that would of course have to be done. Black ~~Kite~~ kite (talk) 20:33, 1 July 2014 (UTC)