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Some bubble tea for you!

How is it going? Happy editing anyway. Sohambanerjee1998 12:20, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

@Sohambanerjee1998: Thanks a lot for the tea! ;) Everything is great, I've just been a little busy recently, with my university and the Christmas preparations :) And how are you? Cheers, Mayast (talk) 20:27, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Oh I see, best of luck with both of them. Happy editing. I am fine BTW, the entire house is messy as we're moving to a new house! Soham 10:26, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Jared Leto

Could you demonstrate with reliable sources that Jared's middle name is Joseph?--Earthh (talk) 20:12, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

I guess that name kind of stuck in my head, and I haven't realized that there was some confusion over it, as well. Feel free to revert my edit if you feel that the IMDb bio isn't enough (I'm guessing it isn't). I'll try to look for some more sources when I have more free time. Mayast (talk) 20:22, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Blow (Beyoncé Knowles song)

Hey Mayast. Despite the fact that the US release appears to be postponed/cancelled, it was still sent to radio in Italy, and thus is a single in that country. I Care (Beyoncé Knowles song) was also released only in Italy. — Status (talk · contribs) 21:49, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

@Status: Hi. Isn't it a promotional single, though? I checked that it wasn't released in Italy on its own — the song is still only available as a part of the album on Italian iTunes. As you might know, there are some Contributors who wouldn't allow for it to be treated as a regular single ;) Mayast (talk) 22:03, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

It's a radio-only single, of course. Promotional singles aren't sent to radio; they are distributed to places such as clubs, for example. There's a couple of editors I can think of that wouldn't like it. I guess they can learn to deal with it. Beyonce is well-known for having many radio only singles, such as "Ego", "Party", "End of Time", "I Care". — Status (talk · contribs) 22:23, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

@Status: Thanks for the explanation, I wasn't sure what's the difference between eg. "I Care" and "1+1". And I had some doubts about two songs from the new Switchfoot album ("Who We Are" and "Love Alone Is Worth the Fight"), which were included on the Fading West EP and released on the same day to two different radio formats. They have both charted on various Billboard charts, but as they weren't released separately onto iTunes, I wasn't sure if they should be listed as singles or promo singles. Now I can sleep peacefully ;) — Mayast (talk) 22:32, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Well, for "1+1", the song was given away for free when people pre-ordered 4. So that would classify as a promotional single. If it was sent to radio, it would be another story. Yes, yes you can. — Status (talk · contribs) 22:44, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

@Status: I guess some kind of a guide for deciding whether a song is a single or a promo single would be useful, to end these discussions and arguments, once and for all. Maybe we should work on some proposal for WikiProject Songs at some point in the future. Thanks again :) — Mayast (talk) 22:49, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Merry Christmas all year long

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Soham (talk) 13:39, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

MusicBlvd.com Links Whitelisted on Misplaced Pages

@Mayast:Hi Mayast,

We would like to advocate for MusicBlvd.com, a competitor to MetroLyrics, both licensed lyrics providers. We are trying to get Misplaced Pages to verify that MusicBlvd.com is indeed compliant with copyright and and lyric licensing laws.

You can see MusicBlvd's response here - Dear Misplaced Pages, We Love Musicians More than Lawyers.

This is in response to this Misplaced Pages thread by other editors https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Songs#Music_Blvd_lyrics_Links

MusicBlvd.com should be added under the "Lyrics and Video" section in the Misplaced Pages page Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Songs

Can you please help us in setting the record straight?

Thanks

Trystanburke (talk) 22:54, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank You

... for keeping an eye on, and contributing to, the recent Beyonce articles. I look forward to watching these grow to Good status! --Another Believer _(Talk) 19:16, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

@Another Believer: The pleasure is mine :) I'm looking forward to GA class, too! — Mayast (talk) 19:25, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I would not be surprised if some of the other tracks should now have articles of their own. Between track-by-track reviews, recording details and music video info, I bet there is enough information for most of the songs. Not to mention, most of them are likely to chart based on album sales alone. --Another Believer _(Talk) 19:47, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

FAC comment

Hello, I nominated 4 (Beyoncé Knowles album) for FAC some months ago and it failed through a lack of consensus. I've nominated it again and would appreciate your support/comments/oppose on the FAC page, of course, if it's not your thing then feel free to disregard this! —JennKR | ☎ 17:33, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi, JennKR :) I'm not sure I'm the best person for this, as I haven't participated in any GA/FA nominations yet, and I'm not sure what to look for in an article – if you have a look at my user page, the farthest I have ever got with any of my articles is C-class (but I've only been a really active contributor for six months now). I'm definitely going to watch this process, though, (as well as any future nominations for all the Beyoncé-related articles) to gain more experience in this field, and I'll try to assist in some way if there's anything I might be able to help with :) — Mayast (talk) 23:59, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

"Haunted"

Do you know if "Haunted" has charted at all? I have been working on an expansion of the article, which was redirected back to the album article. Personally, I think there is enough info for a shorter, standalone article, but chart placement would certainly help establish notability. --Another Believer _(Talk) 22:41, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi. Personally, I agree with the decision to redirect that article for now. Per WP:NSONG, charting is only one of the factors suggesting that a song may be notable – it should still meet the more important criteria for notability, like being the subject of non-trivial published works (with the exception of album reviews and articles about the record). So I think the best thing to prove the song's notability would be to look for some articles about "Ghost" and "Haunted" (and not the album), their videos, etc. In my opinion, not every single must have its own article, let alone every song from an album, no matter how popular the artist is. BUT I'm keeping my fingers crossed for finding something to prove that "Haunted" is in fact notable, and if I come across any chart positions for it, I will definitely add them and/or try to revert that redirect. Cheers, Mayast (talk) 23:48, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Great, thanks! I just saw that you have been keeping up with chart stats, so wondered if you had seen any other tracks from the albums on the charts. I am not too bothered by the fact that the article was redirected; I just knew a chart position would help my case! :) --Another Believer _(Talk) 23:58, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I'm trying to keep an eye on some of the charts :) For example, I wasn't planning to work on "Partition" any time soon (if ever), but I saw that it charted, and I decided to expand it a little. When I see any 'new' song from the album charting, I'll try to work on it too, or at least let you guys know on the album talk page, if I don't have time to do that. Mayast (talk) 00:04, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Flawless (Beyoncé Knowles song)

On 4 January 2014, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Flawless (Beyoncé Knowles song), which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that a speech delivered by Nigerian writer Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie was sampled and used by American singer Beyoncé Knowles in a song called "Flawless"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Flawless (Beyoncé Knowles song). You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject Poland Newsletter • January 2014 • Issue II

Randy Brecker

Hello, thanks for your edits to Randy Brecker. It's kinda freaky ... I'd just recently cleaned up the article while checking the edits of a rather interesting user, and I'd never even realized that Mr. Brecker had won another Grammy a couple days beforehand! Graham87 06:40, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

@Graham87: Hi :) I, on the other hand, was approaching the subject of Night in Calisia from a Polish point of view – we're proud to finally have a Grammy in a jazz category ;) (after several awards in classical music). Cheers, Mayast (talk) 15:31, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Re: Hi

Haha, that definitely could go in the article—it's strange because artists have been doing unconventional releases like this for some time, but perhaps not to the same hype. Also, what's the status with the categories move? Are we applying again, but not at the speedy page? —JennKR | ☎ 12:13, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Invisible (U2 song)

On 11 February 2014, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Invisible (U2 song), which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that for 24 hours, for every download of the song "Invisible" by U2, Bank of America was giving $1 to the organisation (RED), raising $3,138,470 to fight HIV-AIDS? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Invisible (U2 song). You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 15:03, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

		The U2 Barnstar
		I hereby award you the U2 Barnstar for your efforts in helping Wikiproject U2. Congratulations! The meaningfull DYK hook. —Soham (talk) 14:43, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Fading West

Since you have not looked at nor read Christian Music Sources, then I will not be editing the critical reception section anymore as part of the article. I will leave you with this new review if you want to include it at your prerogative. The review comes from Christian Broadcasting Network. By the way, we had a discussion about the sources if you want to know.HotHat (talk) 04:04, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

I just wanted to let you know that I put the reviews back in prose and just put Christian Broadcasting Network in the ratings table. I understand just because it limits editors to ten ratings sources in the template that should not preclude us from utilizing all reviews from RS sources in the prose.HotHat (talk) 10:48, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Re: Hi

Sorry Mayast for the lack of communication—I've been extraordinarily busy recently so my editing time has suffered greatly. This "pulling a Beyoncé" is cropping up everywhere and I saw a news post concerning Skrillex that used the term; it's something that might be worthy of inclusion in the release section, as the whole event was deemed so significant. Cheers, —JennKR | ☎ 23:08, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Ostium(sponges)

Dear fellow I appreciate your recent edits on ostium(sponges). You removed information related to cockroaches. Dear fellow, I created this article and as a person having a fair knowledge about sponges I initially believed that term ostium is only used to denote the pores present in sponges but after a massive internet search I found that the lateral openings in the primitive heart of cockroaches are also commonly called ostia. My suggestion would be to change the name of the article from ostium(sponges) to ostium(Biology) in order to accommodate information about cockroaches.Septate (talk) 16:27, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Since when was Waylon Jennings not an "artist"?

He's the writer, yes, but he's the singer of the song as well. DeistCosmos (talk) 20:54, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

@DeistCosmos: The song was released by The Highwaymen, not Waylon Jennings as a solo singer. You can mention in the article that Jennings provided vocals, or add a personnel section, where he would be listed as the vocalist on this track. But per WP:DABSONG, The Highwaymen should be used in the article title, not Jennings. — Mayast (talk) 21:41, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Soliciting comment...

Hi! Would you care to review or comment/vote (support/oppose) at my FA nomination for the article New York Dolls (album)? Information on reviewing an FA nomination's criteria is available at WP:FACR. If not, feel free to ignore this message. Cheers! Dan56 (talk) 04:18, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Dumplings

Now simmering at User:Mayast/The Dumplings. I've userfied it to you as don't think the original author would notice, and it's not ready for article space yet (only one reference - and that is to Facebook...). Peridon (talk) 15:47, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

@Peridon: Thanks, I'll work on that :) Mayast (talk) 15:58, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello

Can you please tell to user anom 89.155.180.224 about their edits on Iggy Azalea discography?.Thanks. Regards. Connie (A.K) (talk) 16:56, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

@ConnieGB: I don't think they would care. But I requested page protection, and IP users won't be allowed to do any edits for at least one week. Mayast (talk) 17:53, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your attention. Well, the user 89.155.180.224 after the protection, keep editing as before. The user does not respect the format WP:DISCOGSTYLE. What should be done to stop this? Protection page again?. Thanks. Regards. Connie (A.K) (talk) 02:02, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Commercial links as references

I saw and appreciated this. On reflection and reading some archived discussions I do not think it is good practice to use Amazon or ITunes as references. If other articles are doing this, feel free to remove those links too. Thanks a lot. --John (talk) 08:22, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

@John: The problem is, we should try to provide sources for all the bits of information that we add to articles. Doesn't matter if it's an entire section discussing critical reception of an album, or just its year of release, as with this discography. I don't feel comfortable with adding something unsourced. Moreover, from my experience such content is very likely to be removed by other editors as original research (or, most often, with an edit summary saying "unsourced").
I mostly edit articles associated with WikiProjects Albums, Songs and Discographies, and as I mentioned in my edit summary, links to iTunes, Amazon or other digital retailers are commonly used there to confirm release dates (and sometimes track listing) for albums and singles. Even in FA-class articles, like 4 (Beyoncé album)#Release history, Maya (M.I.A. album), Good Girl Gone Bad: Reloaded. There is also a never-ending war between groups of editors who have different definitions of a single. For some, a fact that music websites call a particular song "a single" or that it was released to radio is enough; others need to see that the single was released physically or digitally (and consensus seems to be that there had to be a physical/digital release, or a radio release in the United States). Usually, a link to iTunes/Amazon is the only way to prove the release. Having a press release from the record label with release dates (like with the digital release of Beyoncé) would be a luxury, unfortunately that doesn't happen very often. — Mayast (talk) 10:10, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

I take your points. When this has been discussed centrally, the usual consensus is that if something is only sourceable to Amazon (or the like), it isn't worth including. If it is worthy of mention, it will have appeared in proper, neutral third-party sources. --John (talk) 10:29, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Re: Flawless

Hello, apologies for the late reply/activity, I've been travelling recently so I haven't been as active as I would like. The "***Flawless" article is well-written and concise which I like a lot. What I think it could benefit from is more information on the song's development, particularly information on how it existed as "Bow Down/I Been On" and how this was received. In Critical reception, distinguish between the song's reception as "Bow Down/I Been On" in March 2013 and then as "***Flawless" in December 2013. The essential point is that "Bow Down/I Been On" was received well musically, it's production was harsh, abrasive and experimental (not like anything Beyoncé had ever done), but many were confused by its lyrics when considering Beyoncé's songs "Single Ladies", "Irreplaceable" and many Destiny's Child songs ("Girl", "Independent Women") to be pro-women. "***Flawless" attempts to explain the nature of these lyrics (being pro-woman, but not anti-man as Wood of The Guardian says), but, as with the general message of Beyoncé, it serves as the most significant and explicit assertion of her feminist beliefs. Note that in the Critical reception section, it is much better to use several sources and paraphrase a summary of what the reviewer is saying, longer quotes are not as good. If you could make these changes, I think it would be definitely ready. I would also be happy to look over it before you nominate it. Best, —JennKR | ☎ 23:36, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks (Ritualwell) and questions

Thank you so much for reviewing the Ritualwell article that I created. I appreciate your contributions.

I'm still a relatively new Wikepedia editor. I've created 4 pages (one of which was not approved), and I've added updated to a number of other pages.

I really like the "My Contributions" section you have on your profile page. I'd like to set that up for myself. I have a few questions about doing this:

• Can you point me toward a page that has more information on doing this?
• How do you know if an article is "Start Class," "C-Class," "B-Class," etc.? Is there an editor's tutorial on this somewhere?
• Is there an automatic way you add articles to your Contributions list, or do you do it by hand?

Thanks again for your help! Elkaybklyn (talk) 18:58, 23 June 2014 (UTC)Elkaybklyn 18:53, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

@Elkaybklyn: Hi :) I'm glad you like that section. To answer your questions, I add all the pages myself as I create them. An "automatic" way to display all my articles is to follow this link: https://tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/created.py?name=Mayast&server=enwiki&ns=,,&redirects=none – you can access yours by going to 'User contributions', and then 'Articles created' at the bottom of the page.
There is no tutorial how to create a section like that, I came up with mine myself. Maybe you can look up my source code: , and if you have any technical questions I'll be happy to answer them if I can.
As for the classes, every article should have it's own talk page, where different WikiProjects, to which this particular article belongs, are listed. For example when you go to Talk:Ritualwell, you can see that I added the article to WikiProject Judaism and WikiProject Computing. Members of WikiProjects assess the articles that are within the scope of the WikiProjects, and add the "grade" to the WikiProject template on the talk page. For example, one of the members of WikiProject Albums assessed Fading West and gave it a : Talk:Fading West. Please note that different WikiProjects might have different criteria for the classes. Anyway, when an article I created is assessed (sometimes I assess them myself, trying to be objective), I add the icon for the class to my page.
Please let me know if you have any more questions :) Mayast (talk) 19:23, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

@Mayast: Thanks for answering so quickly! I'll look at all the information you gave me.

Elkaybklyn (talk) 20:12, 23 June 2014 (UTC)Elkaybklyn

The Atlantic article

Hello, there is a fantastic article from The Atlantic which explores the creation of "***Flawless" including interviews from Todd Tourso, The-Dream and an overview of how it was created. I'm sure it will be of great help to the article. —JennKR | ☎ 00:15, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

@JennKR: Thank you so much, JennKR!!! :) Also for your earlier reply. I'm finishing my exams at the university, and will try to work on the article in the upcoming weeks. — Mayast (talk) 11:17, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Note

Unhelpful/derogatory sarcasm such as this is not helpful and actually discourages users. Had you waited you would see that edits such as this where actually planned. However your attitude does not make others want to assist you. Werieth (talk) 20:35, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

@Werieth: I'm aware of what's going on with Archive.is. But did you actually check the archiveurl you now provided for http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/sales/salescht.cgi? It's from January 2010, while Foreverly was released in November 2013, so obviously the archived link doesn't show sales number for this album. I don't care about archiving the reviews and other pages in that article, those websites are still online – the sales numbers for this particular album are not. Mayast (talk) 20:52, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

FYI

Out of courtesy (because it's being assumed by your opponents that you are me), I think you'd probably benefit from being aware of this info. GoFormer (talk) 14:53, 2 July 2014 (UTC)