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Do not edit if you cannot provide a factual reference. Every edit must be backed up by a scholarly reference. Do not vandalizes, do not add personal references. Learn to respect and appreciate differences of opinion without personal prejudice. This after all is the sharing of collective human knowledge and bringing it to the world. Dr Pukhtunyar Afghan (talk) 15:22, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Just so you know - you should never sign your name after making an edit to an article. This is because any given article can have dozens, or even hundreds, of individual editors, and if everyone signed, then the article would quickly become an illegible mess of signatures. Information as to who made which edit is automatically tracked, and is available in the article history.

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Language Map of Khyber Pukhtukhwa

Hello,I see you are a member of Pashtun projects. If you know about the subject, you should also know that the maps you keep re-instating is completely wrong. As i stated earlier in multiple talk pages, the map is showing majority pashto speaking areas such as Karak District, Shangla District, Battaggram District, Toorghar District and Buner District as Hindko Speaking, while Tank District is being shown as Saraiki Speaking. The map is of a very bad quality and extemely in accurate, so one wonders why was it allowed to be used in the first place. Also if you are a member of Pashtun project you should yourself be aware that the map being used is inaccurate amd should be removed or replaced. File:Map of Languages of Kyber Pakhtunkha Province.jpg Tigerkhan007 (talk) 21:25, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

I have some maps on wiki commons. However, eventhough i know that the maps i have created are correct i can not find a good source, as no survey for each district in written form is available. That said, only issues (when it come to languages of kyber pukhtunkhwa) would come up with the eastern districts and D.I.Khan. Tank District has been shown as saraiki speaking by proponents of Saraiki province, however, we know that there were protests in Tank for their inclusion in Saraiki Province, since more than 80% of the population there is Pashto speaking (Bhittani, Wazir, Masud, Kundi's etc), evenmore now after the war on terror. Now we know that most of the people in chitral speaks Kho, while northern corner of swat and most of Kohistan is Kohistani people. While in south western parts of kohistan (swat Kohistan) close to battagram, Shangla and Swat pashto is spoken. When is comes to Torghar and Battagram we know that msot of the people speak pashto, even hinkowan website agrees to that fact (http://the-great-hazara.blogspot.com/). Abbotabad is mostly Hindko speaking. While most of Haripur (70%) is also Hindko Speaking, parts close to Swabi, Buner and Torghar Districts are pashto speaking i.e. areas of ghazi tehsil (Sirikot and Gudwallian etc) (http://hamaraharipur.webs.com/haripurhistory.htm). Finally, when it comes to Mansehra District, Ogai Tehsil is Mostly Pashto Speaking (http://beta.dawn.com/news/608754/call-for-including-of-oghi-in-torghar-district), and areas to the north and north west close to Battagram are pashto speaking such as Baffa, Battal, Chattar Plain, Hillkot, Shinkiari etc. Please be aware that i have qouted few hindkowan blogs, which can be changed at anytime by the creators of the said blogs, however, it supports my point. The map that i propose is this (

). Tigerkhan007 (talk) 06:50, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

need you comments on this (http://commons.wikimedia.org/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Map_of_languages_of_Khyber_Pakhtunkhwa.jpg) Tigerkhan007 (talk) 08:50, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

AOA,i need your help here http://commons.wikimedia.org/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Map_of_languages_of_Khyber_Pakhtunkhwa.jpg#File:Map_of_languages_of_Khyber_Pakhtunkhwa.jpg  Regards, Tigerkhan007 (talk) 19:27, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Your recent edits

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• On my talk page. Kind regards. Wifione _....... 18:13, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

The Map being used on Battagram District, Buner District, Chitral, Chitral District, Dir, Pakistan, Hangu District, Pakistan,Haripur, Pakistan, Kohat District, Malakand District, Mardan, Nowshera, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Shangle District and Swat District is incorrect. It seems to me that either the editor lacks knowledge or is biased. Districts suchs as Karak, Tank, Shangla, Battagram, and Toor ghar, although more than 90% pashto speaking, are shown as hindko, Saraiki and Kohistani Speaking. Moreover, Mansehra is 35% pashto speaking and pashto is spoken in western sides of Dera Ismael Khan, Kohistan and Haripur districts as well but they are also shown as speaking a language other then pashto. Someone really neads to change that.

Also i have a more accurate map of Khyber Pukhtunkhwa i can email it to anyone who would want it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tigerkhan007 (talk • contribs) 06:09, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

The Dilazak page

I am grateful for your contributions on the page. However, I would like to know those historical references which led you to create this flag and genealogy table. I am not very conversant with Wiki rules but fully understand the great purpose, it is serving to the world. I would appreciate your response. You can email me also at dilazak1@hotmail/Gmail/yahoo.com. Misplaced Pages: contribution on wiki article Dilazak (talk) 20:48, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Dilazak1 (talk) 08:24, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Lund Khwar & Dilazak pages

I had to undo your edit to the Lund Khwar page because you copied the Dilazak page onto it. When you want to merge two separate pages, you need to post a note on the talk/discussion pages of them both, so others can give their opinion about the proposed merge of them. The history of those pages also needs to be merged. You can learn more about how to merge pages here:Misplaced Pages:Merging We hope (talk) 20:48, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

regarding my butter fingers pasta

Hey, I was editing the page Lund Khwar to refine the categories, somehow, a paste of the page Dilazak made its way into there??!!! which I have now removed and fixed, sorry for the un intentional mess up, lost some brain cells in the process of removing it as well :(. A big big sorry......... everything is now tidy as clock work :).

Dr Pukhtunyar Afghan (talk) 15:22, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

No problem! :-) We hope (talk) 20:50, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

There are times I wonder if I have any brain cells left. :-)We hope (talk) 20:54, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, auto mode is zombie mode :), do it for too long, and it takes a hold of you. Like, right now, I am continuously forgetting to type the 4 tildes.....zzzzzz

Dr Pukhtunyar Afghan (talk) 15:22, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Just had my wake up call-the missing refs page grew to 120+ and all had ref tags... It's fixed now but what a surprise! :-) We hope (talk) 21:06, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

but your'e good, and I am an amateur, take care bro and yeah, happy X-mas :) Dr Pukhtunyar Afghan (talk) 15:22, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

On Lund Khwar

Greetings, to request page protection, go to Misplaced Pages:Requests for page protection. However, if it's just one IP, and you've warned him multiple times, you can report him at the appropriate section of Misplaced Pages:Vandalism in progress, and they're awfully quick about blocking people if the situation is documented.

That aside, your article has an awesome amount of detail, and lovely pictures, though I've just given it a cursory skim. One small suggestion on easily neatening up a few footnotes: whenever you have a GoogleBooks link, just paste it into http://reftag.appspot.com and it will automatically produce a full footnote; looks great and saves you effort.

Good luck on dealing with your unhelpful IP. Remember, just keep a level head, leave clear and unemotional vandalism warnings on his talk, and then contact Misplaced Pages:Vandalism in progress. The main thing is to make sure that you don't become the "bad guy" in some admin's eyes by yourself acting hostilely or leaving offensive messages. Just keep a cool head, document, and report. Great work on your page, and I'd suggest swinging by WP:WikiProject Pakistan, if you haven't already, to announce your progress on your article, and perhaps request additional feedback. MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:37, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Pashtuns

Why did you remove my post? herodut said that go read herodut books. He is greek and I have not a greek book I have a quotation from him in my book (Da Tarikha Afghan)page 12. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.199.238.232 (talk) 05:24, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

vandalism

First of all, make a user page for yourself, so people can respond to you. Register and read some wiki rules. Believe me, it will help you.

Secondly, it is not Herodut, it is Herodotus. You put in poor grammatically incorrect information, but more importantly, it is historically unreferenced. "Herodut" says this, Alexander says that, where is the proof? it is not my responsibility to provide proof for whatever you type in, it is your responsibility. Research genuine references from known well documented sources and then put those references here. Otherwise dont edit without first doing some research.

Lastly, I am responsible for maintaining these pages, it is my responsibility to keep them right. Also, always sign fter your posts. Dr Pukhtunyar Afghan (talk) 15:22, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

My mistake on Khattak, was trying to just remove the overcats

My apologies on Khattak, I was just trying to remove the massive overcategorisation, but it appears that I was looking at a "diff" of two different versions, and the edits were made to the old version. If I had actually meant to cut out that much text, I would have put in a much clearer Edit Summary explaining what I was doing (rather than the Edit Summary just being about the categories), so thanks for catching and fixing that mistake.

There is still the Category issue in a couple articles you've been working on; I understand you're trying to be through, but excessive cateories are counter-productive. What you were doing on Khattak was more like "meta data" or "keyword tagging" than actual cats, which unfortunately causes some clutter. For example, your original cats were:

Of these, only "Karlan Pashtun tribes" and "Khyber Paktunkhwa" are appropriate cats, the others are way too broad. For example, histiography. While historiographers may certainly read up on the Khattak to analyse how the perceptions of Khattak history have changed over time, there is no inherent tie between Khattaks and history. You could add "Historiography" to literally about every single ethnic group on Earth, since all of their histories have been reinterpreted over time, but clearly this would not be productive. Similarly, "Nationalism"; that cat is for articles specifically on the topic of various nationalisms, not articles wherein the subject happens to be nationalist. Same for international security; that's a category for "Military", "Passports", "Law enforcement"; again, not for every group of people who happen to be in an area of contested security.

Long/short, categories should be as specific as possible. Overcategorising just clutters up the broad parent categories. Imagine, for example, if operating on the mentality that every city in the world has a "history" every single city article was filed under "History", that cat would be utter chaos. Again, I do apologise for the removed text resulting from my viewing an older draft, but my changes to the categories was indeed correct per WP:Categories. I don't want to make changes without consulting you, but we can agree that, for example, Pashtun tribes should be filed under the smallest sub-category ("Karlan", etc.) they fall under in the tribal system, as well as "Ethnic groups of X state" for areas they inhabit? I really don't see any utility in categories further than those. MatthewVanitas (talk) 13:33, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Re:Pashtunistan

Dear Dr Pukhtunyar Afghan, hello! I have been editing Pashtun/Pathan related articles for quite some time now and actually originally authored the section titled "Origin of term" for the article in question. In the Hindi-Urdu language, the word "Pathan" is the one used most commonly and being the lingua franca of British India, the term "Pathan" and "Pathanistan" were in vogue; see for example, a quote from Bacha Khan. Since Misplaced Pages operates according to WP:RS and WP:V, my restoration of the deleted content was acceptable. I hope this helps. With regards, Anupam 21:29, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

My edit

Dear Pakhtunyar,

I read your message. The are some points: first, your Hadith is cited from primary source which is not acceptable in Misplaced Pages. Second is that thousands of historians all around the world have mentioned many places in their mother tongue and as know better than me there are lots of Hadiths about many places in Arabic; as an example there is Hadith about China and the Arabic word is Tsain صین, but this does not mean we can add the Arabic script to the article of China. Anyway, in my opinion the Pashtun and Hebrew script need to be deleted, but this is just a minor matter.--Aliwiki (talk) 08:56, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Sure brother. I won't remove it. that I found a new knowledgeable friend is enough for me. Wish you the best in your future edits.--Aliwiki (talk) 11:21, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Suggest more calm tone in Edit Summaries

Greetings, I see you recently deleted an IP addition at Khattak, summarising: Explain your edits, this is malicious intent!! unreferened un related material, consider this your 1st warning. I would suggest this is maybe excessive. The material was not defamatory or unprofessional; it was indeed uncited, and may indeed be inaccurate, however it is best to WP:Assume good faith. I would suggest instead something like "Removing uncited material about Khattaks and Rajput military, please come to Talk:Khattak to explain if you have supporting evidence."

If an argument breaks out with another editor, the one that stays the calmer often gains much credibility. Further, the IP may have been legitimately attempting to help, but be unaware of WP procedures. A more nuanced Edit Summary, and even dropping his Talk a line saying "Thanks for your addition, but it can't remain without citations; please come to Talk:Khattak to discuss footnoting this material before adding it. I've removed the material until we can find clear footnoting." Though many IPs are careless or unhelpful, there are many good editors who started out as clumsy IPs, but with patience and guidance became great assets. MatthewVanitas (talk) 15:34, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Pashtun people

Hi, you need to follow the rules on how to edit an article. Don't turn the Pashtun people article into a mess by adding repeated information everywhere. The information about Afghan or Afghana is already mentioned in the "Ancient references" section as well as in the main articles Afghan (name) and Afghana.--AlimNaz (talk) 10:11, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Reply

I suggest you also observe some inhibitions and rules while going at pages. The chronological order requires this section to be where it is placed, furthermore, sectioning and sub sectioning clarifies an article. By your one sweep deletion, I think your intentions are obvious. In good faith, I have been accommodating, but if you continue your one seep deletions, then I will be forced to report you. Considering your reason, I dont agree, the mentions are incomplete if we take things by your method, they are un organized and have no references. I created a research and reference rich section in the chronologically correct place. If you do not like the mention of Afghana because of personal beliefs, then I suggest you read up on history. Check all the references I provided and all will be clear. Furthermore, please do not edit if you have nothing to contribute. I refine and grammatically check all me editions. Thank you for your concerns. If you do not agree, use the talk page (discussion is the wiki way not your deletions) and if you still dont like it, you can go to the global moderators at anytime. I will be happy to help you with it. Dr Pukhtunyar Afghan (talk) 10:19, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

I've made some edits at Afghana after checking some references. If you don't like them, please discuss them at the talk page - you may need to quote some of your sources. Please also read WP:AGF. Dougweller (talk) 12:06, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

June 2011

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Copying from other Misplaced Pages articles

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Theory of Pashtun descent from Israelites

Good Day and Pakhair Raglay
That was more than a decade ago, I see my research continues to motivate others on the internet, to look at the other side of the history of our people. I understand wikipedia editors, they are like robots, like computers, if they cannot verify something they will delete it. Do you want to discuss anything with me? search my name online, you will find my website, send me an email, then we can discuss further. I want to know your age, background and current location.
Cheers fazli.azeem (talk) 01:13, 29 April 2013 (EST) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fazli.azeem (talk • contribs)

AoA Mr Qazi. I sent you an email on your site, but it also showed an error message, please let me know if you received it. Dr Pukhtunyar Afghan (talk) 16:30, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

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Ownership of articles

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Afghana sources

Please respond to my latest post at Talk:Afghana. Thank you. Dougweller (talk) 10:41, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

You seem to have confirmed your misquotation. Do you want to explain that on the talk page? Dougweller (talk) 16:16, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

RE: AlimNaz

Had a word/waniring if he continues to go about then you can take that to ANI.Lihaas (talk) 09:25, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

give me ashout if theres any trouble ;)(Lihaas (talk) 11:22, 21 July 2011 (UTC)).

Pashtun people

There is currently a dispute going on, regarding certain inclusion of content in the lead of the article Pashtun people. The discussion can be found under the section "Lead" on Talk:Pashtun people. I invite you to give your input on the matter. Mar4d (talk) 10:39, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Theory of Pashtun descent from Israelites

Hi Dr Pukhtunyar Afghan
I have left a note for you on Talk:Theory of Pashtun descent from Israelites Would appreciate a response
CheersIntothefire (talk) 11:39, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Oldest Afghan tribes for deletion

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You asked me about this on my talk page, the discussion is at the link above, Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Oldest Afghan tribes. I note that your latest edits seem based on an unreliable source - the authors don't seem to have any academic track record and the publisher Amishav is an orgiansation "dedicated to locating the Lost Tribes of Israel (with the objective of contracting the population increase of a “bourgeoning” Arab population by their mass return". See Shavei Israel. Dougweller (talk) 10:09, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Qais Abdur Rashid

I also note that the book I mention above is written in Hebrew. Your quote doesn't give a page name and I'm guessing that you haven't actually read the book and simply copied that from another website. And as virtually all the reliable sources say he is said to be the forefather of the Pashtun's, I've removed it. Dougweller (talk) 10:19, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

You haven't bothered to reply to my comments in the section above, simply replacing the deleted section and making some personal attacks on my talk page. I've raised the issue at WP:NPOVN#Qais Abdur Rashid. Dougweller (talk) 12:36, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

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Section headings

These never have references (or wikilinks, etc). Dougweller (talk) 07:24, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

??. Are you talking about the Khattak page and the names of the sub clans? if so yes you are right. These editors are usually people from the said clans so they know their own history but dont have a reference to cite. So even then its problematic since there are rules here & it doesnt come under OC either. Maybe some other way? Dr Pukhtunyar Afghan (talk) 07:57, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

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Afghan and Pashtun

Bro i understand the term Afghan but the reality is there are two countries Pakistan and Afghanistan and most of the pakistani pakhtuns dont like being called Afghans as they think this term was used in history and now for Afghan refugees. You cant deny that today Afghan is never used amongst pashtuns of Pakistan even though it was used for pashtuns in the past more commonly as compared to the word pashtun. My mother is a Pashtun turi and i know alot of Afghan Pashtuns(PAshtuns of Afghanistan) dont accept them as Pashtun as they are shia leave alone the Afghan word.

Also now a days nationality is much more important than ethnicity as u know that as british is the term more commonly used rather than scottish or english, i dont believe in nationalism.

if you use the word Afghan for all pashtuns then alot of pakistani pashtuns and other pakistanis or rest of the world will not be able to understand as they might think this article is related to Afghanistan and not to Pakistan. this is basically due to lack of knowledge about history , and basically due to influx of alot of Afghan refugees that has created a negative mindset regarding the word Afghan. Most PAkistan pashtuns use it for mahajar or kabulayan.

I understand but in present circumstances i know this Afghan word doesnt suit as article is not gonna be read by only pashtuns of Afghanistan but other pashtuns and rest of the world.

In history Afghan was ok but now Afghan is merely a nationality and Pashtun is the ethnicity as they are derived from pakhtasSaladin1987 20:07, 11 July 2014 (UTC)