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| I do not think you realise the impact of your words. As you know, I'm largely incommunicado, doing the tourist thing here in the UK right now. And yet, three separate WMF staffers (both permanent and contractor) reached out to me, pointed out your comments about reconfirmation RFAs, and were genuinely heartbroken that an arbitrator thought so little of their ability to understand the difference between their volunteer and staff actions that they should be stripped of permissions they've held for years because they've taken on employment with the WMF, and got those jobs at least in part because of their work within the community. They're still part of the community, they don't become non-Wikipedians when they become staff. It was perhaps unintentional on your part, but you've really hurt a lot of people with that. ] (]) 13:45, 3 August 2014 (UTC) | I do not think you realise the impact of your words. As you know, I'm largely incommunicado, doing the tourist thing here in the UK right now. And yet, three separate WMF staffers (both permanent and contractor) reached out to me, pointed out your comments about reconfirmation RFAs, and were genuinely heartbroken that an arbitrator thought so little of their ability to understand the difference between their volunteer and staff actions that they should be stripped of permissions they've held for years because they've taken on employment with the WMF, and got those jobs at least in part because of their work within the community. They're still part of the community, they don't become non-Wikipedians when they become staff. It was perhaps unintentional on your part, but you've really hurt a lot of people with that. ] (]) 13:45, 3 August 2014 (UTC) | ||
| :Thanks for this, Risker. It does help to hear that, and please never feel you can't say things like that to me, or that you find it hard to say. It was, as I said over there, just a suggestion, late at night when I'd been going through the whole workshop trying to engage with what was being said there (you know how rare it is for arbitrators to do that). I should have thought more before saying that, and if any of those staffers that reached out to you are reading this, I apologise for the impact my words had on them. FWIW, I never said anyone should be 'stripped of permissions' (that was Carrite's wording - what I said can be seen ), but I can see how the re-RFA comment could have been taken in the same vein. Anyway, I'm hoping some of the discussion at the workshop will be more productive than that exchange was. I'd encourage anyone reading this to participate there and give their views. ] (]) 14:05, 3 August 2014 (UTC) | :Thanks for this, Risker. It does help to hear that, and please never feel you can't say things like that to me, or that you find it hard to say. It was, as I said over there, just a suggestion, late at night when I'd been going through the whole workshop trying to engage with what was being said there (you know how rare it is for arbitrators to do that). I should have thought more before saying that, and if any of those staffers that reached out to you are reading this, I apologise for the impact my words had on them. FWIW, I never said anyone should be 'stripped of permissions' (that was Carrite's wording - what I said can be seen ), but I can see how the re-RFA comment could have been taken in the same vein. Anyway, I'm hoping some of the discussion at the workshop will be more productive than that exchange was. I'd encourage anyone reading this to participate there and give their views. ] (]) 14:05, 3 August 2014 (UTC) | ||
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Interaction ban, ask first then wait principle
Dear Carcharoth, I agree with the ideas you present. It was/is not my intention to break any interaction bans. My primary concern is the continuation of slanderous accusations directed against me. These accusations date back to at least July 2013 (8 months!), and they have been going on non-stop. Arbitrators and administrators have issued various warnings, to several users, to put down the stick and move on with their editing.
Nonetheless, these warnings have done nothing to stop these users from consistently insulting me and/or breaching the interaction bans. I have taken my situation to ArbComm and AN/I (which was suggested by arbitrators), but nothing has come out of it.
Instead, what consistently happens is that these editors resort to WP:TLDR walls of text again arguing a case that has already been closed and archived. Regardless of whether their assessment is right or wrong, arbitrators and administrators have told these users to stop with the slander.
I am tired of the insults and perplexed by the lack of concrete actions against the slander. Please help me.--MarshalN20 00:16, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
- Apologies for the late reply. I am about to go on a long wiki-break, so I won't be able to follow this up any further. I hope my colleagues will be able to deal with this both to your satisfaction and those of the others involved in this. Carcharoth (talk) 00:09, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
DNB antiquarians
I have just done a topical list, Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Dictionary of National Biography/Antiquarians. Mixed bunch, but I found some missing FRSs there, among other things. Charles Matthews (talk) 17:54, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks, Charles. Mixed bunch, as you say. When I get back from my imminent wiki-break, I hope to have a closer look at some of those and other missing FRS people. Carcharoth (talk) 00:10, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
Commonwealth War Graves Commission
After a long reprieve from the article, I got back into it last night. If you get a moment have a quick loom over. Pretty sure it's up to GA now. But a ce wouldn't hurt-Labattblueboy (talk) 15:47, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
- Hi Labattblueboy. The changes looked fine in the time I had to look (the additional pictures looked good, though I was a bit sad to see the Civilian Roll of Honour picture drop off). I've not had a chance to look in on the GA nomination, but best of luck with that. I'll try and look at the article again when I get back from my wiki-break. Well, that and trying to work out which of various memorial pictures from Commons might be useful on en-WP or not (if I can work out what the images were showing before the deletions) - nothing to do with the CWGC article, but just a general note to myself to remember to try and follow that up. Carcharoth (talk) 00:14, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
- I actually liked the idea of including an image of the roll. I was actually inclined to put it in a multi-image box with an image of a traditional memorial to contrast the different concepts. However, I was worried it would take too much space. Thoughts?--Labattblueboy (talk) 01:01, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
- There are lots of images potentially available in a topic like this. Working out which ones to use where is not easy. Try things out and change them if they don't work. I won't be around to reply further right now, as I'm just about to put up wikibreak notices. Carcharoth (talk) 01:07, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
- I actually liked the idea of including an image of the roll. I was actually inclined to put it in a multi-image box with an image of a traditional memorial to contrast the different concepts. However, I was worried it would take too much space. Thoughts?--Labattblueboy (talk) 01:01, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
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WikiCup 2014 April newsletter
Round 3 of the 2014 WikiCup has just begun; 32 competitors remain. Pool G's 
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Precious again
thoughts
Thank you for giving your precious time to thoughts, and for sharing them, thoughts on a BLP, on paid editing, and "how letting personal animosity and dislikes get in the way of the bigger picture ... destroys trust"- repeating: you are an awesome Wikipedian (30 December 2008)!
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:49, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
Two years ago, you were the 122nd recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:29, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
On the birthday of Richard Strauss, I added Ernst Roth to my user page ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:39, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reminder, Gerda. I've taken more photos since then (on a different camera!), but have still been very tardy in getting the last of the photos off the old one. I am only popping in now and again until I can get back to full activity. Will get various photos uploaded then. Carcharoth (talk) 20:21, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for your prompt response, - I was prepared for weeks or months of silence. Proudly singing, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:37, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
- Well, the weeks of silence (hopefully not months) will return soon when things get busy again here, but it is nice to feel able in most cases to pick things up again from where they were left. Though not in all cases, sadly. Carcharoth (talk) 21:30, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
- You will know what's more important ;) - I just remembered the witch pardoned 300 years later, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:02, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
- Just a quick note, Gerda, to say that I should have more time now to upload that photo. Will be aiming to do some of that this weekend, hopefully. Carcharoth (talk) 22:48, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for letting me know, take your time, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:30, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
- Just a quick note, Gerda, to say that I should have more time now to upload that photo. Will be aiming to do some of that this weekend, hopefully. Carcharoth (talk) 22:48, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
- You will know what's more important ;) - I just remembered the witch pardoned 300 years later, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:02, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
- Well, the weeks of silence (hopefully not months) will return soon when things get busy again here, but it is nice to feel able in most cases to pick things up again from where they were left. Though not in all cases, sadly. Carcharoth (talk) 21:30, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for your prompt response, - I was prepared for weeks or months of silence. Proudly singing, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:37, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
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WikiCup 2014 June newsletter
After an extremely close race, Round 3 is over. 244 points secured a place in Round 4, which is comparable to previous years- 321 was required in 2013, while 243 points were needed in 2012. Pool C's Godot13 (submissions) was the round's highest scorer, mostly due to a 32 featured pictures, including both scans and photographs. Also from Pool C, 
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Recent edits on this page
Keeping track:
Listing these here in case further review is needed later (so I don't have to dig through the page history to find them). Carcharoth (talk) 00:17, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of chess-related deaths
See what you think....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 16:20, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for the link, Cas. I looked, but it didn't strike me as something I could really say anything sensible on, though some of those incidents are relatively well known. Carcharoth (talk) 22:46, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
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Laffan's Plain
Might be one for you. A fairly nondescript area of Aldershot was renamed after Robert Michael Laffan, my latest DNB find. Some time later, it was famous enough to have commons:Category:Laffan's Plain full of early RFC stuff: it made a murky transition from a place where military exercises went on, to a significant aerodrome that became Farnborough. I think around 1910. Samuel Franklin Cody comes into the story. Laffan himself seems to have been forgotten, not so surprisingly. Charles Matthews (talk) 20:49, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
This is hard for me to say but...
I do not think you realise the impact of your words. As you know, I'm largely incommunicado, doing the tourist thing here in the UK right now. And yet, three separate WMF staffers (both permanent and contractor) reached out to me, pointed out your comments about reconfirmation RFAs, and were genuinely heartbroken that an arbitrator thought so little of their ability to understand the difference between their volunteer and staff actions that they should be stripped of permissions they've held for years because they've taken on employment with the WMF, and got those jobs at least in part because of their work within the community. They're still part of the community, they don't become non-Wikipedians when they become staff. It was perhaps unintentional on your part, but you've really hurt a lot of people with that. Risker (talk) 13:45, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for this, Risker. It does help to hear that, and please never feel you can't say things like that to me, or that you find it hard to say. It was, as I said over there, just a suggestion, late at night when I'd been going through the whole workshop trying to engage with what was being said there (you know how rare it is for arbitrators to do that). I should have thought more before saying that, and if any of those staffers that reached out to you are reading this, I apologise for the impact my words had on them. FWIW, I never said anyone should be 'stripped of permissions' (that was Carrite's wording - what I said can be seen here), but I can see how the re-RFA comment could have been taken in the same vein. Anyway, I'm hoping some of the discussion at the workshop will be more productive than that exchange was. I'd encourage anyone reading this to participate there and give their views. Carcharoth (talk) 14:05, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
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