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pronunciation

Re.: It should also be noted that the common Australian pronunciation of Kosciuszko, "koz-ee-os-koe", is quite different from the pronunciation in Polish.
What is the Polish pronunciation? D.D. 12:20, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Re.: "What is the Polish pronunciation?" It's really impossible to show without hearing it (and even then it is difficult to pronounce for English speakers), the closest would be "Kosh-choosh-koh". The vowels are a bit different and there's no 'sz' sound in English.

I think a better way to show the English pronunciation would be "kozzy osko". MagdaBudzynowska 03:44, 10 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Is it really pronounced as /kɒz.iˈɒs.kəʊ/? It's quite unusual for "u" to be pronounced as /ɒ/, dictionary lists the two pronunciations /ˌkɒs.iˈʌs.kəʊ/ and /ˌkɒs.kiˈʌs.kəʊ/ (with /ʌ/ in the third syllable). Also the trigraph "sci" pronounced as /zi/ instead of common /si/ looks a bit strange. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Egg-oh-ease-teak (talk • contribs) 06:58, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

aboriginal name

There is affair about renaming the name to aboriginal name. As i've heard, no aborigines were living here earlier before English speaking settlers, though... Could somebody explain the matter in article? 150.254.31.167 08:17, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

How do you know no Aboriginal peopel were on Mt Kosciusko pre Europeans? I doubt if anyone lived on this hill in recent prehistoric times because of climate but the hill would have been visted regularly by Aboriginal people before the arrival of the Europeans.

Name swap with Mt Townsend

Is this actually true? :"Various measurements of the peak originally called by that name showed it to be slightly lower than its neighbour, Mount Townsend, and the names were thereupon transposed by the New South Wales Lands Department, so that Mount Kosciusko still remains the highest peak of Australia". A quick google search doesn't locate any supporting evidence. A supporting reference would be useful.

It's lifted verbatim from the Year Book Australia 1909 ( - this link now accompanies the statement in the article). I don't know whether it's true though. Nurg 05:46, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

It is true. I have copies of the original maps that show the swap.

I've heard it said that the NSW authorities always knew which was highest, but that Victorian surveyers used what they thought was Mount Kosciusko (but was actually Mount Townsend) as a base line for Victorian maps, which has the ring of truth, but I can't remember the source.--Grahamec 07:50, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I'm confused.

Mount Townsend and Mount Kosciuszko don't actually look alike. So how does the story about looking like the mound in Poland hold true if the names of the mountains were transposed? I'm not trying to be difficult, but it does seem to be a flaw.

"hike" Australian English?

Is "hike" Australian English? Andjam 08:45, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

yes definately Maelgwn 12:06, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Easiest Route

I think the 'Easiest Route' being listed as 'Hike' is wrong. To me, the chairlift access to near the top, and then a short boardwalk to the actual summit is easier. Especially if you stop off at the Bar & Grill up near the top.... BryanJones 07:04, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Walk, dawdle, stroll, ramble ??? Be Bold! ...maelgwntalk 09:41, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

From Thredbo using the chairlift to the top of the range, and then the return walk of 13km takes 4-6 hours. My 7 year old did it in 5 hours with lunch breaks and occasional breaks. The track from Charlotte Pass is much longer. I did this by bicycle with 2 kids and this took about 9 hours - but that was in the early 1990's when there was still serious snow drifts in summer to slow down the pace.--Takver (talk) 16:41, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Higher Australian mountains

Firstly, I don't see how there could be a problem with saying Kosciuszko is the highest mountain on the mainland, as the status of the higher mountains is (or at least should be) spelt out later in the article, which is a better option than making any definitive statements about what is or isn't in Australia.

Macquarie Island, which Intelligent Mr Toad mentioned in his edit summary, does not have a higher mountain and so is completely irrelevant, but is actually part of Tasmania, and so definitely included in the Commonwealth. The Antartic Territory is debatable, as Australia has a treaty obligation not to assert full sovereignty south of 60 degrees. The Heard and MacDonald Islands are recognised as an Australian Territory, often referred to as an external territory, but I think you will find that, despite the ways in which each territory has its own special status, the federal government doesn't distinguish between "internal" and "external" territories when talking about territories as a whole. To say they are not part of the Commonwealth of Australia is overly simplistic. JPD (talk) 16:45, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

To most readers the statement "Kosciuszko is the highest mountain on the mainland" implies that there is a higher mountain in Tasmania, which there isn't. The Commonwealth of Australia consists of the six states, the two mainland territories, and such offshore islands as are part of the respective states, such as Lord Howe Island. It does NOT include the external territories such as Heard Island or the Australian Antarctic Territory (AAT). Does the Australia article give the land area of Australia as though the AAT was part of Australia? It does not. The simple correct statement is "Kosciuszko is the highest mountain in Australia (not including its external territories)". I will amend the article accordingly. Intelligent Mr Toad 06:27, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I guess the notion of external territories has enough use to be acceptable, even if it is not official. By the way, though, there are three mainland territories, that would definitely be included in any definition of the Commonwealth. JPD (talk) 09:35, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Check of mountain overlays on image please

Can some one check the marked positions of Mount Kosciuszko, , and Mount Townsend, , on the winter photograph taken from Kangaroo Ridge please. I am not sure that I have got them correct. Ronnam (talk) 05:16, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

The labelling on that photo is 100% wrong and I will try to amend it. The point labelled 1 is North Ramshead. The summit of Mt Kosciuszko is just right of centre and is entirely obscured by clouds. The visible peak in the centre of the photo is the Etheridge Range. Mt Townsend is NOT visible from this location, it is behind the large round hill on the right hand side of the photo, Mt Clarke.Eregli bob (talk) 13:26, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

I have sorted out the labelling on this photo so it is correct now. However it is not an ideal photo because the summit of Mt Kosciuszko is entirely obscured by clouds and not actually visible in the photo.Eregli bob (talk) 13:51, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Gallery: (picture entitled) "Thredbo from the mountain"

Whilst this is a quality picture of Thredbo village, the caption implies that this is what you see from Kosciuszko mountain. Yesterday I walked from the top of the Kosciuszko Express chair lift at Thredbo to the summit of Mt. Kosciuszko. I assure you once you walk around/past the Eagles Nest building situated at the top of the lift, you can no longer see the village at any stage along the track that heads to the summit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yytthkb (talk • contribs) 10:35, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Height

The mountain's height is now (on new maps, see Perisher Valley 8525-2S 1:25 000, First Edition 2001) shown as 2229m, rather than 2228m, and I have amended the article. I'm not sure of the reason for the change (from 2228m). Perhaps it's due to the stone plinth now atop the mountain, or simply a more accurate measurement.

Carltzau (talk) 11:23, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Until the Government or any other reliable site update the height it stays as 2228 metres since I or any one else know how reliable that map is (Not all maps are reliable). Bidgee (talk) 12:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Could someone find a reference for the height? I don't see 2228 being substantiated anywhere in the article, so Carlzau probably has the strongest case for 2229. ROxBo (talk) 03:51, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't cite these as sources within the article but and is the best I can find (as the Government link is now dead :( ). Bidgee (talk) 05:38, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Coast to Kosciuszko

The following is the last paragraph of the Reaching the summit section

Each year in December, an ultramarathon running race called Coast to Kosciuszko (aka C2K) ascends to the top of Mt Kosciuszko after starting 246 kilometres (153 mi) away from the beach. Its first year was in 2004 and Paul Every pioneered the race.

For starters, it doesn't belong in that section. There are no references. The writing is a little sloppy. I have no idea what Paul Every actually did.

Does it belong? Does anyone know more about it? References? HiLo48 (talk) 09:03, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Gallery

Should there be a gallery at the base of the page? A lot of pages remove galleries... --Grapeman4 (talk) 06:35, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Images

Another Image should be in the infobox. The current pic is extremely ugly and I will change it to . Fell Free to Oppose mydogeatsbetter (talk) 08:58, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that for mountain infobox images, the preference is for images of the mountain if we have one, rather than photos taken from the peak. --RacerX Talk to me 10:12, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Paul or Paweł?

re:

• Paweł Strzelecki Mount Kościuszko: 55 GBook hits
• Paweł Strzelecki Mount Kościuszko: 147 GBook hits

It does seem that this explorer's name is often (through not always) Anglicized. I don't like it, but COMMONNAME and so on, I don't think this is an issue worth pressing. This article is indeed focused on Australia, and so we can leave the Anglicized name. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:13, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

He maybe known as Paweł Strzelecki in Poland but in Australia he is known as Paul Strzelecki. Australian Dictionary of Biography, Trove (National Library of Australia), Monument Australia are just one of many who use Paul and not Paweł. Bidgee (talk) 02:15, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

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