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I don't understand why DW seems insistant on repeating the lie that I'm messing up his wonderful prose. I haven't changed any content of anything he's written, except to clean up the spelling, grammar, and pronunciaton. All I've done is to make the first line of each of his articles a complete sentence and to move the birth and death dates up to the beginning, which is what the Misplaced Pages consensus says biographical articles should have. -- ] I don't understand why DW seems insistant on repeating the lie that I'm messing up his wonderful prose. I haven't changed any content of anything he's written, except to clean up the spelling, grammar, and pronunciaton. All I've done is to make the first line of each of his articles a complete sentence and to move the birth and death dates up to the beginning, which is what the Misplaced Pages consensus says biographical articles should have. -- ]

:Except that you have to be careful with copyright in using images. No marketing professional improves graphic design by breaching copyright. If they did, they'd be sacked on the spot by their company. DW has yet to offer any evidence that his pictures aren't copyrighted, aren't the property of someone else, etc. A number of them look suspiciously like stuff that, because of age and the nature of the image ''are'' covered by copyright, in which case, ''they cannot be used unless full permission has been received''. Zoe had done nothing but correctly lay out pages according to ''agreed rules''. If DW wants to change those rules, he should initiate a discussion and get a consensus, as I have been doing over naming conventions on royalty. But instead, DW stays silent except for personal abuse of anyone who gets in his way. ] 04:00 Jan 26, 2003 (UTC)

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I just cleaned this page up.

Hi Jimbo, What's happening with DW? He seems to spend much of his time spreading nasty comments around. I know I can sometimes say 'sharp' things too. But so far recently I've come across deeply outrageous comments abour Deb, Zoe, ErikD and others. My latest receipt is Phonies like you who hide behind a computer can pretend to be anything and there are always enough dummies around to buy your load of crap. On some pages he edits he accompanies it with diatribes against others, including telling people that in effect if the previous version was a mark of their intelligence, they should quit Wiki.

The there is the practical issues of images being downloaded about which there are serious suspicions that he has breached copyright, but about which he simply won't answer queries or give sources for where the image came from, just another rant against whomever raises the question. JTD 01:51 Jan 26, 2003 (UTC)

That should be "whoever" -- it's the subject of "raises". -- isis 02:10 Jan 26, 2003 (UTC)

I'm not hereto be friends and market myself. It's this little "club" here that is keeping this from becoming a good site. Question: If Zoe is going to patrol around, when she sees a better idea why not refer it to the Wiki whatever group instead of destroying it. Invention and product improvement has never in the history of mankind been achieved by closing down new ideas. But, here, Zoe and others see something being done new, better, and with a genuine real effort and immediately put the blinders on saying "Must Wikify" and change what may be a much, much better approach back to something that HAS NOT worked. And, so far, Misplaced Pages has not worked even remotely.

So, I come along, do a lot of hard work, and demonstrate a better way instead of begging by a written speech that you seem to condone. Why should I have to beg a little group of self-appointed Gods? In business, we embrace creativity and find ways to work with and expand it, not put it down. It is this narrow mindedness combined with a lack of creativity and insight that has prevented Misplaced Pages from improving. EXAMPLE, the moment Ortolan88 (a few months ago) referred to my Famous Canadians site as a "MODEL SITE", all the small minds showed up instantly to totally screw that up. It seems to me you et al don't want to surrender power and aren't open to anyone who might show you that are doing things wrong. What it boils down to is a small group of people whose needs in life have never been met so here they can get control. Got a good idea? WE will decide that, by God! (Reference: 12,683 books on psychology.) Bottom line? Get over it, grow up, and organize properly. The heading, labelling and structure of the so-called Misplaced Pages convention is amateurish, and of such poor design it does nothing but turn away visitors except those who need to join a club....DW, ESQ

Yep, while I’m writing here they are playing the “you and me game” already. And, what kind of an intellect judges copyright when he is not a lawyer, is not trained, and by his/her comments proves they don’t know what they are talking about. Plus, what turns me off is that they see a good, well-done article with a great effort made to ensure there is a photo (golly, gosh, that’s important to marketing -- amazing revelation) and instead of adding or improving my article (as if they were capable) or creating good new ones, they waste my time with notes and stupid queries….DW

I don't understand why DW seems insistant on repeating the lie that I'm messing up his wonderful prose. I haven't changed any content of anything he's written, except to clean up the spelling, grammar, and pronunciaton. All I've done is to make the first line of each of his articles a complete sentence and to move the birth and death dates up to the beginning, which is what the Misplaced Pages consensus says biographical articles should have. -- Zoe

Except that you have to be careful with copyright in using images. No marketing professional improves graphic design by breaching copyright. If they did, they'd be sacked on the spot by their company. DW has yet to offer any evidence that his pictures aren't copyrighted, aren't the property of someone else, etc. A number of them look suspiciously like stuff that, because of age and the nature of the image are covered by copyright, in which case, they cannot be used unless full permission has been received. Zoe had done nothing but correctly lay out pages according to agreed rules. If DW wants to change those rules, he should initiate a discussion and get a consensus, as I have been doing over naming conventions on royalty. But instead, DW stays silent except for personal abuse of anyone who gets in his way. JTD 04:00 Jan 26, 2003 (UTC)