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Comment about "deletion" of negative comments

I see WikiPedia are working overtime, deleting all the negative comments that have been posted here, regarding their theft of copyrighted works. Well of course you can behave like this and try to disguise the public feeling for your despicable actions on your own site, but there are many other websites, TV news programs, media etc, upon which we can display our disgust, without you being able to whitewash over it. People power is a significant force and I am quite certain that a great many of us will not be making any donations until your deplorable decision is reversed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.215.173.191 (talk) 20:01, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Incorrect. I simply moved the comments further down the page — see my edit here. No one has deleted them.--A bit iffy (talk) 20:12, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

earlier conversation

"Crested black macaque" seems to be the more widely used name. Should we change the name of the article? Tim Long 00:56, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Celebes Crested Macaque is its official common name, according to Mammal Species of the World, 3rd ed. - UtherSRG (talk) 03:18, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Assessed

Against conservation status as well as content SatuSuro 08:42, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Killer Dolphins

I have posted a long comment in the Talk section of the main Macaque genus article, about the renaming of all the macaque species articles to " Macaque" (e.g. "Barbary Macaque") from their traditionally names (e.g. Barbary Ape).

Would you please take a look at that here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Macaque#Killer_Dolphins

And then correct this individual species article as necessary — I'm not sure which macaque species may have actually been called " Macaque" traditionally.

(And I hope you can see that the fact that I don't know that, after reading a Misplaced Pages article about the species, is why rewriting reality in Misplaced Pages is a problem.)

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.180.30.135 (talk) 12:21, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Copyright of 'selfie'

Give the guy his photo back! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.70.189.38 (talk) 13:17, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

I agree, above this page as I type are fundraising adverts and comments on copyright violation, its a shame wikipedia can't seem to do the decent thing and protect the independence and copyright of others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.215.173.191 (talk) 14:31, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages cannot unilaterally declare someone else' work open source. That is a legal fact. Give up the photo (Redacted). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.32.225.25 (talk) 16:16, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Slater will take it to the court. It is now up to them to decide who is right, not to non-lawyers. © Tbhotch (en-2.5). 19:58, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages stealing intellectual property based on some convoluted misinterpretation of the law. Misplaced Pages is developing an abstract culture and complex system of laws of their own.--2.25.5.106 (talk) 23:37, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Then stop using Misplaced Pages. The image was here for three years, it was until Slater made it public all of you got interested in Slater's welfare. So, if you are interested to help Slater go with him and support it, because this talk page is not a forum for discussing how awful this site is because of this, but you eventually will need it because your teachers leave you homework and you refuse to go to libraries. This is a problem between Slater and the Wikimedia Foundation people who refused Slater's cease and desist letters. Not yours, not mine. The image won't be removed unless a judge decides it must be removed. © Tbhotch (en-2.5). 02:38, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Out of scope

Without going into the rights and wrongs of the current dispute, this article is supposed to be about the macaque. Surely this is not the place to have a section on copyright issues? See relevant policy WP:NOT#JOURNALISM Periglio (talk) 14:20, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

I agree — there should only be a brief mention of the copyright issue (though the photos should remain (assuming Wikimedia's position holds) as they are in themselves relevant). The copyright issue probably belongs on the selfie page, and/or on a page dicussing relevant photography law.--A bit iffy (talk) 18:39, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I tried to be fairly terse, pending the outcome, when I originally created this section. I managed to keep it down to three sentences. In only a day or two it seems to have ballooned out of proportion, as everyone wants to correct niggling details at much greater length. I can only suggest we tolerate it until there's a little more news (e.g. a court date or judgement) and then spin it off into it's own **simian selfie controversy** article, if there's enough to justify that. Alternatively, pruning will be possible when there's less active and current interest, maybe in 6 or 12 months time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Strolls (talk • contribs) 18:54, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

I agree. Therefore I started a proposal to move this section into Monkey painting. Unfortunately, we seem to have no other article about non-human art or copyright. Better ideas are welcome. — Keφr 12:28, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

I support the proposal to merge the section into Monkey painting. And I also suggest that it be renamed to something like Non-human primate art, so that the section would actually be within the scope of the article. --Joshua Issac (talk) 00:35, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

And here's more on animal paintings that can be added to the article, if we can find more sources for all of them. --Joshua Issac (talk) 01:02, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

• Nothing about the copyright issue is predicated on the animal being a macaque. This section should be deleted or moved to somewhere relavent. Saffron Blaze (talk) 01:27, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

First priority should be to get it out of this article. The story doesn't come close to meeting the significance threshold in the context of black macaques. I also think it doesn't belong in monkey painting, either, since the connection to art and creativity is so extremely thin. The monkey pointed the camera at itself and pressed a button, for Pete's sake. The strongest connection to monkey painting is the monkey itself, so it fails on significance there too. Find the right copyright article to put it in, which is a separate discussion that doesn't belong here. I don't think that question needs to be resolved before it's taken out of this article.   Mandruss |talk  02:44, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

To help this process along, I have chosen what I think is the best copyright article and started this discussion there. You are invited to contribute. By the way, I'm not bypassing procedure by doing this before there is consensus here, as a consensus could still be reached to have the story represented in either or both monkey articles in addition to the copyright article.   Mandruss |talk  03:16, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

I boldly moved ] to ], and integrated the section in question there. I suggest we continue the discussion on that article's talk page (where I also copied suggested references from Talk:Copyright infringement#The monkey selfies). — Keφr 07:48, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

That's too bold, being as (1) part of this discussion is about whether to move it to that article, (2) there is no consensus yet, and (3) your title change doesn't affect the need for that consensus. It's pretty clear that we don't boldly take action that's under discussion, and this discussion is far from being declared dead at about 1.5 days old. I would urge you to reverse your changes.   Mandruss |talk  07:59, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

diet???

The Celebes crested macaque is frugivorous, with 70% of its diet consisting of fruits. It also consumes leaves, buds, seeds, fungus, birds and bird eggs, insects (such as caterpillars), and the occasional small lizard or frog.

where is the reference??

from http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/12556/0

This species is found in rainforests at moderate elevations. It is frugivorous, but will also eat immature leaves, arthropods, stalks of newly flowering plants, and cultivated crops (fruits, vegetables, and maize).

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