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(B) K/Ch (Uprising)

As this may be a controversial issue, I have started a discussion at Talk:Khmelnytskyi_Uprising#Name_-_move_proposed.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 16:33, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Edit war

You and Elk Salmon appear to have a major edit war. Georgia guy 16:46, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Medal

Тут у меня дырка в голове и вспомнить никак не могу: Как называлась та медаль котороя выдавалась всем участникам войны? Ну знаешь, которую справа вверху носили, на подвеске (именно подвеске, а не колодке) и с чуваком на ней... Спасибки... user:Grafikm fr

"Za Pobedu nad Germaniey"? --Irpen 22:18, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Moscow Metro

Done. Please let me know when you are in agreement so the article can be unprotected.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 00:49, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Redirs

As long as there are no objections, it is no problem. Just list redirs that need fixing on my talk page, and I'll take care of them tomorrow.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 15:44, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Infoboxes

don't be ridiculous, the point of an infobox isn't to introduce new material into the article, it's to present quick facts from the text in an easy-to-view manner. See for example BART. No one seems to have a problem with the infobox there, even though a lot of its info is in the article itself. Also look at Vaquita. Quit whining! As for the line itself, having the line map on the LEFT is UGLY regardless of the infobox, if you don't believe me, I can give you a screenshot. I wish there was a WP policy saying when it's ok to use infoboxes, alas no. lensovet 16:51, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Presentely the infobox you put in is DULL and incorrect.:

1. E type trains have been retired
2. The rest of the rolling stock are simply modifications of that train that have been redesigned interiorally and have long names, it is alright to put that in the heading but to have that in an infobox is extreamely misleading
3. Why have length in miles?
4. Anybody can see the colour from the template, they are not blind (colourblind) and this is not wikitravel.
5. That leaves a pointless infobox which has to go, as you say there is no rule on keeping them. --Kuban Cossack 09:53, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

First of all - i have absolutely agree with Lensovet. Infoboxes are for quick providing of facts without scrolling and reading of article. Those are should be.

1. E type still in use and it doesn't matter if other are modifications. This is quick list with train types. It is much faster to check infobox then reading all history in rolling stock section.

2. Mile is very popular measure of distance among english speaking countries, and not only.

3. Color is just header for infobox and making it just a bit more pleasure for an eye.

Elk Salmon 16:45, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

1. Not on APL, last were retired in 2004. Only FL continues to use E type but these will go in 2007, when APL takes over its end and the Rusich trains take over its main stock.
2. Where? Whole of Europe uses metric units, whole of Asia uses metric units, even South America does. And certainly MOSCOW knows of no imeperial units. What's next? Versts?...
3. That is useless. --Kuban Cossack 14:49, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

first off, the specific content of the infobox can be changed; that is not the issue here. what is the issue is the layout of the article. in addition, this map (as are all the other maps on the other lines) does NOT work. Please take a look at some lines in other parts of the world, such as LACMTA_Gold_Line, Dublin/Pleasanton_-_SFO/Millbrae_Line. If you notice, the lines themselves have no maps - they have lists and/or tables. This makes more sense. Then, when you go to a station, such as Dublin/Pleasanton, you get a box at the bottom of the page that shows you the next and previous stations. Click through them. You'll notice that at transfer stations, this box will have all the lines that stop at it listed, allowing the viewer to see easily that the station is a transfer point. Re: miles, it should have both miles and km. That's a simple conversion and is in no way a valid rationale for removing the infobox. lensovet 21:09, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Lensovet, why do we have to follow other examples and not make our own? Moscow Metro is unquestionably the most beutiful system in the world. So why do we have to adopt Dublin's template, when we should set the example. Finally in Dublin you can't immediately get through to the station a few stops away directely from the station article you are on. Remember in west Metro is but a transport system, in my country it is a gateway to the city.

The template that you refer to is meant to be a guide for easily selecting the station articles and not as a geographical map (which can also indeed be useful, but presentely none is drawn). Currentely there is not too much text needed to explain the history (for which table is alright, as for name changes). Transfer table can go, but I would keep it, as it is quite useful in navigation. The only other one is future extensions. That is indeed useful and should be enchanced with images. However I do not share your view on problems with the template of the line. Sorry but you'll have to do better to argue your point through. --Kuban Cossack 14:49, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for proving my own point - The template that you reffer to is meant to be a guide for easy seleceting the station articles and not as a geographical map - and that's why it doesn't need to have the form of a line - it can be a table. That's all I'm saying. then this new table will incorporate info from the transfers table, and instead of having some weird thing going down the left side (can you explain why? This gets in the way of the table of contents and doesn't do much else) and a separate table for transfers, we have one easy-to-use regular table. Care to argue your point? Also, thank you very much for changing the topic. I never brought up any tables in the article - only the line template. lensovet 17:53, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

However visually it is MUCH more pleasent than just a list, moreover it shows closed sections, branches, extensions and of course transfers to other lines. The plan is similar to what you get inside trains of that line. Now going down left hand side is simply a nice layout. If it gets in the way change your browser font settings. (actually give me a screenshot of what you see and paste it here ). Now for transfers, there is a catch. Most of the stations are done in different articles (with exception of cross platfrom ones). Look at the size of Biblioteka Imeni Lenina, Aleksandrovskiy Sad, Arbatskaya (Arbatsko-Pokrovskaya) and add on to the text Borovitskaya, now imagine merging them into one article. -- :(. Finally the present layout was adopted by ru-wiki and other wikis as well, so en-wiki is by far not the first to have them. I think there is a reason of convinience involved in such a pattern. --Kuban Cossack 22:25, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

There's no need for a merge - just list the stations as transfers. Also you can include closed sections, branches, extensions and of course transfers to other lines in a table. My point is that this layout does not work and font sizes have nothing to do with it. My screen resolution is 1280x854, which is wider than the majority of the world. Yes, it is a little prettier. But the overall layout is ugly as hell, and we can do this way more elegantly with just one table instead of three tables and a long map.lensovet 23:45, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Exactly we agree that presentely the versions look prettier. So what is the issue here, Ok, we can cut on the tables, although IMO there is nothing wrong with them. As before I fail to see any valid points, and as for elegancy, sorry but I fail to pick up on that. --Kuban Cossack 09:42, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Also congrats on dissing the west when there is absolutely no need or reason to do so.

Sorry now its your time to explain your english. --Kuban Cossack 22:25, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I present to you a definition and semantic relations

OK, and in what ways do you see me follow that definition, that is what I am asking. --Kuban Cossack 09:42, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Belarusian xlit

Modified how? Or was that just a copy-paste from Russian? Just making sure...—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 14:17, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Notice of arbitration

An arbitration request involving you has been filed.--AndriyK 19:55, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Civility

Please note that your cooments like or are in variance with WP:Civility.--Mbuk 21:20, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree but as is endless revert warring and tag reinsertion of settled disputes. --Kuban Cossack 11:03, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I moved your message from the talk of Russian architecture to the user talk of AndriyK. The´article talk pages are reserved to discuss the articles. Personal discussions should be restricted to the user talk pages. Keep the article talk pages free from personal accusations.--Mbuk 21:09, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Kiev metro: suggestions

I think the entire issue (both about how to code the template and the layout problems) could be solve by going an alternate route.

Most templates listing train stations use a footer format (see for example {{MTL Metro Green}} of the Montreal Metro, {{MBTA}} of the MBTA,or the succesion box used for London Underground stations). Moving the template to the bottom of the page frees nearly 300x wide of screenspace and makes the image size/placement issue at Vyrlytsia (Kiev Metro) (which you'llfind explained on its respective talk page) moot. What do you say? Circeus 17:14, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't think so, presentely I like the layout much more than the footer, it looks nice when viewed with standarard equipment. --Kuban Cossack 18:05, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

makes the image size/placement issue at Vyrlytsia (Kiev Metro) moot – no, he has his ideas about how rapid transit articles should be done, and he's made it his duty, apparently, to make sure that his way is the only way. for now i'm just glad that he's restricted himself to CIS systems. :) lensovet 02:21, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Please avoid WP:NPA on my talk page, if you have a phobia against me, file a mediation/RfC or even an arbitration if you want to. Finally I am not saying my way is perfect but presentely I do not see advantages of the alternatives that have been presented as of yet. --Kuban Cossack 20:36, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

please look up the meaning of the word phobia, if i had a phobia of you i wouldn't be commenting on your talk page. my point is that no amount of evidence presented will ever be enough for you to see any advantages of any alternatives. end of story. lensovet 22:27, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but if there were STRONG advantages in an alternative I would have considered, so far the alternative is NOT convincing. --Kuban Cossack 23:20, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi, there!

I would like to ask you that if you may bring a convenient and "indecent" translation for the letter. Ciao! --Behemoth 17:59, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I will, do not promise immediate action, but I shall. --Kuban Cossack 20:36, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Important

Please vote: Misplaced Pages:Templates for deletion/Log/2006 June 28#Template:POV-tag --Ghirla 18:34, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

TfD

You're a good user. I believe you've had problems with some of the same disruptive editors as I've encountered. On that note, I think you should reconsider your keep vote here. I'm convinced the "POV because" tag will empower disruptive editors. 172 | Talk 17:24, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

What is to reconsider, I made it rather clear, only the admin/mediator can insert this tag (most likely after he/she locks the article). Otherwise insertion of such a tag should be prohibited, if such a rationale is not provided then delete. --Kuban Cossack 09:41, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

NPA

Kuban, you have all the rights in the world to remove unwanted messages from your talk page (unless they are good faith official warnings), but please avoid edit summaries that can be seen as personal attacks. abakharev 10:36, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Mediation

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