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Radical Feminism

People saying there's "no source of radical feminism being transphobic" needs to stop. That section should add, as a reference, Pretendbians.

Whoever keeps deleting my edit, please explain why you think pretendbians (a site that misgenders and openly attacks trans women by giving their private information (phone number, place of work, home address, email address, social networking info) to the public) is not relevant to a wikipedia page about transphobia? StolenBlueBox (talk) 23:12, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Did you see my edit summary? I specifically stated that I wasn't going to restore the other text which had no source for the evidence-from-absence statement that most feminists don't do such and such things. However, you also need to improve your content if you wish to add it. At Misplaced Pages, we use secondary sources in order to confirm the encyclopedia-worthiness of our content. Pretendbians is a real site that does awful things, but that in itself does not make it suitable for inclusion. What you should do is either find secondary sources that indicate that the site might be notable, or work on developing the content we already have on transphobic feminists (like Sheila Jeffreys, Janice Raymond, or Mary Daly who I thought was in the article but who apparently is not!) Does that make sense? –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 14:39, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

It does! Thank you, I'll acquire sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.242.88.4 (talk) 01:47, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

I know it's been said before...

...but, my goodness, this article is not written from a neutral point of view. Not sure what I can do about it other than noting it; my encyclopedic editing skills are not the greatest, and I don't currently have either the time or the energy to tackle such a huge project. Nevertheless, my assertion remains the same: this is a poorly-written article. Y'all ought to make it less like a polemic and more like, I don't know, an encyclopedic article, maybe? Dozzzzzzzzzing off (talk) 18:29, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

You're not wrong, Dozzzzzzzzzing off, it's got plenty of problems. It'll get better over time. Sue Gardner (talk) 22:27, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

This looks to be one of those WP articles that is written from a niche point of view and then viciously defended, by proponents of that view, against all WP policy incursions. Centrify (f / k / a FCAYS) (talk) (contribs) 17:30, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Not sure if there is much more to say

Seems this has been hijacked by a lot of people who are doing what the article is meant to be about. Why so much prejudice that even talking about it hurts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by J Beake (talk • contribs) 17:28, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Ambiguity

I find the second clause of this sentence confusing:

"Many trans people also experience homophobia and heterosexism from people who associate their gender identity with homosexuality, or because they also have a non-heterosexual sexual orientation."

(I assume that "their" refers to "trans people".)

It isn't clear who is meant by "they", or how the first group differs from the second. It appears implicit in both cases that the hostility derives from an underlying homophobia. But surely, sexual orientation is independent of transsexuality. Is the idea that some people don't understand that? Or that non-heterosexuals feel threatened by transsexuals? 172.56.27.159 (talk) 18:31, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Alternative meaning

Apparently, "transphobia" has an alternative meaning in the context of organometallic chemistry. (See the Google Scholar results.) 172.56.26.119 (talk) 18:44, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Neat! I'm not sure it's significant enough to merit mention in this article (then again, hatnotes are cheap, so a hatnote mentioning the Trans effect would probably be harmless), but I'll see about adding it to Wiktionary. :-) -sche (talk) 19:01, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Neutral point of view

This article is too pro-trans. When I attempted to add an alternative point of view regarding this topic (to achieve WP:BALANCE) it was reverted right away. The statement was cited with an article by someone notable enough that there is a Misplaced Pages article about them, so it satisfies WP:N. It's not like I added anecdotal evidence about these individuals calling me a TERF (which is a slur used by these people towards real women); the statement I added was cited and fully compliant with Misplaced Pages policies. 143.231.249.138 (talk) 18:21, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

When I navigated minutes ago to the link you provided to substantiate your edit (now rightly reverted), I was met by a great big white-text-on-black-screen announcement: "The article you are trying to read has been reported by the community as hateful or abusive content." Thus, your citation is not valid. JohnValeron (talk) 18:33, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

When I read the article a few days ago it didn't have that announcement. Apparently there has been some public controversy regarding the article and Gavin McInnes has been fired from his job as a result of responses to the article. If anything, the widespread public discourse surrounding the article should mean that his view is more notable, not less. 143.231.249.138 (talk) 19:05, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Thankfully, your opinion that hateful or abusive content constitutes a "neutral point of view" is not tolerated by Misplaced Pages policy. If you wish to promote hate speech, please try a different website. JohnValeron (talk) 19:11, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

I don't see how disagreeing with the concept that transphobia is a negative thing is considered "hate speech". The whole concept of "transphobia" is being promoted to trivialize the experiences of real women (or "womyn-born-womyn" as some people call us). 143.231.249.138 (talk) 19:16, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

A TERF walks the halls of the Rayburn House Office Building! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.119.78.140 (talk) 19:22, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

I do not for an instant believe that the vandal abusing the U.S. House of Representatives IP address 143.231.249.138 is a woman, as HE tries to suggest in this thread. It's just another silly ruse by the puerile male intern/staffer desperate to become the House's very own Jester. HE is quite simply a criminal, illegally misusing US Govt property and Internet service. He should be fired and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. JohnValeron (talk) 19:43, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

What is your obsession with the users from this shared IP address? I don't know what part of my statements would make you think that I am a man. There's nothing illegal about editing Misplaced Pages to promote official business that has been explicitly authourized by the Representative. When you have other Representatives trying to push for laws such as ENDA, or when you have the EU using neocolonialist methods to impose transgenderism on the nation of Georgia through a visa agreement, it's all the more important. 143.231.249.138 (talk) 19:58, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

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