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:John, I would be quite happy for that to happen, though that project seems very quiet itself. "Reaching out" to other subject wikiprojects might well help. All&nbsp;the&nbsp;best: '']&nbsp;]'',&nbsp;<small>23:07,&nbsp;22&nbsp;August&nbsp;2014&nbsp;(UTC).</small><br /> :John, I would be quite happy for that to happen, though that project seems very quiet itself. "Reaching out" to other subject wikiprojects might well help. All&nbsp;the&nbsp;best: '']&nbsp;]'',&nbsp;<small>23:07,&nbsp;22&nbsp;August&nbsp;2014&nbsp;(UTC).</small><br />
::I was thinking of the merger primarily so other PD sources like Encyclopedia Britannica and maybe the Hastings Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics and others might eventually be included as well. Maybe the best place to try a first attempt at a joint subproject would be MILHIST and maybe if I broke up the relevant lists the religion projects. Any objections to giving them a try? If we do I will probably need to do the relevant lists myself and that might take awhile. I think we might want to have the list up before officially "starting up" a task force. ] (]) 23:32, 22 August 2014 (UTC) ::I was thinking of the merger primarily so other PD sources like Encyclopedia Britannica and maybe the Hastings Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics and others might eventually be included as well. Maybe the best place to try a first attempt at a joint subproject would be MILHIST and maybe if I broke up the relevant lists the religion projects. Any objections to giving them a try? If we do I will probably need to do the relevant lists myself and that might take awhile. I think we might want to have the list up before officially "starting up" a task force. ] (]) 23:32, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
:::The "missing articles" part of this project should really be very quick, now I am creating drafts on WS. I have asked the Gender Gap task force to look at the "Missing women", they should all have drafts by the morning -or by tea time if I go to bed now. I thought the Britannica project was complete? All&nbsp;the&nbsp;best: '']&nbsp;]'',&nbsp;<small>02:20,&nbsp;23&nbsp;August&nbsp;2014&nbsp;(UTC).</small><br />

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New list: Antiquarians

See Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Dictionary of National Biography/Antiquarians for a new topical list. Antiquarians are one of the DNB's strengths, but are various, and not always easy to fit in to WP. One way is to find them as authors, of many of the older local history books cited. Charles Matthews (talk) 17:50, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Importing articles

I will be creating draft article in my userspace on Wikisource. Anyone can feel free to let me know of issues, or to import the articles to Misplaced Pages, as they are of course, copyright free and attributed. If you have the rights you might consider an export-import solution.

If issues are brought to my attention and I can deal with them , I will make permanent improvements to the conversion process.

Since I am not even allowed to make lists of articles on en:WP, unless I type them all in, full lists will be on Wikisource.

Known issues

The DNB author transclusion from my en:WP user-space ideally will be substituted when the article is brought over.

  • this can be resolved.  Done (I think!)

Parenthetical references () are also used

  • This may be "too hard" in general, but it might be worth picking up, e.g. Notes and Queries, and Gentleman's Magazine.

Links

  • Not quite as many WP articles are linked as I would like - investigating this

Bracketed references

  • Need to be picked up, as small bracketed refs are. Should be simple.  Done (I think!)
  • Comment The way I handle these is to place an "endnotes" at the end of the {{DNB}} and append then as a list using "**" in indent them. I also do limited formatting by placing the titles in italics -- PBS (talk) 09:14, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Lists of writings

  • Should be converted to a wiki numbered list. Can probably catch most of these.

Improvements I can fairly easily make

  • Outdated language
  • Abbreviations to full words or phrases

Example: "graduated M.A." to "graduated with an MA"

  • Comment please leave as M.A. (but strip spaces eg M. A. to M.A.) but please expand all dates from the three letters eg "Feb." to "February". Please place all dates in the format MMDDYYYY and strip out the "st, "nd" and "th" from dates.-- PBS (talk) 09:14, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
    • The months should already be happening.
    • The articles are tagged with {{Use DMY dates}} so the conversion should happen if any are left in other formats, but I will investigate what the system does now. I'll also check ordinal handling.
      • ] shows the difficulties of re-ordering dates. In this case we have the sentence "In the following year he published 'Observations on the Report of the Earl of Sheffield to the Meeting at Lewes Wool Fair, July 20, 1820'." and the date is part of a title. It's still eminently do-able, of course, just a little more complex.
    • The MoS deprecates using stops in degree abbreviations.
    • All the best: Rich Farmbrough22:58, 22 August 2014 (UTC).

Index

The index is here.

Notes on process

  • Whenever a draft is moved to WP, if the DNB article is updated to link to the WP article, it should no longer be in the Wikisource category "DNB no WP". This means the conversion process will never look at it again. The draft on Wikisource can be speedy deleted to keep things tidy.
  • Do not fix up the drafts on Wikisource, they are liable to be over-written.

All the best: Rich Farmbrough00:07, 16 August 2014 (UTC).

Per article issues

Comments

Hi Rich. One thing that occurs to me is that the topical lists (Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Dictionary of National Biography#Missing article topical lists) could benefit greatly from some rough-cut material on enWS. A good list of this kind has a couple of hundred entries only: that means we might be looking at about 40 more to do. They are labour-intensive, the way I have done them so far, so there are only half-a-dozen up now.

We can discuss this and other things via talk pages on Wikisource. When I have finished the current pass of DNB checking, with seven volumes to do right now, I'm going to get myself involved in the ODNB effort on Wikisource; which is having interesting repercussions now, in particular in the direction of Your Paintings. The mix'n'match tool by Magnus M. is key there. Plenty to talk about. Charles Matthews (talk) 10:52, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

@Rich Farmbrough: I have placed my thoughts on specific points inside your posting it seems the easiest and least verbose way to make such comments. In some ways my methods are different from Charles Matthews, for example I do not believe that Charles places the endnotes from a DNB article on Misplaced Pages articles. -- PBS (talk) 09:14, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
PBS@ Thanks for that I have commented there where appropriate. All the best: Rich Farmbrough23:19, 22 August 2014 (UTC).
Charles Matthews@ I have a little coding to sort out before the "rough cut" is something I am satisfied with (and of course there will still be crazy stuff like The Arundells) - I have a few (identified) bugs that have moved things backwards - but some of your antiquaries at least exist in draft form now. All the best: Rich Farmbrough23:19, 22 August 2014 (UTC).

Possible reorganization

I wonder what the rest of you might think about maybe merging this in to maybe the Missing encyclopedic articles project as maybe a task force/work group. Specifically, I'm thinking we might maybe be able to establish some joint subprojects and groups with specific topical WikiProjects here to maybe set up both lists of relevant articles in other reference sources like those I created at Category:WikiProject lists of encyclopedic articles and additional lists of articles which are at least available theoretically for use in wikisource. I know it would be a great deal of work and consume a lot of time to create lists of relevant biographies in the DNB for the various projects here but I have already spent a lot of time setting up a lot of the projects here anyway and I'm kinda used to such tasks. John Carter (talk) 14:38, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

John, I would be quite happy for that to happen, though that project seems very quiet itself. "Reaching out" to other subject wikiprojects might well help. All the best: Rich Farmbrough23:07, 22 August 2014 (UTC).
I was thinking of the merger primarily so other PD sources like Encyclopedia Britannica and maybe the Hastings Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics and others might eventually be included as well. Maybe the best place to try a first attempt at a joint subproject would be MILHIST and maybe if I broke up the relevant lists the religion projects. Any objections to giving them a try? If we do I will probably need to do the relevant lists myself and that might take awhile. I think we might want to have the list up before officially "starting up" a task force. John Carter (talk) 23:32, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
The "missing articles" part of this project should really be very quick, now I am creating drafts on WS. I have asked the Gender Gap task force to look at the "Missing women", they should all have drafts by the morning -or by tea time if I go to bed now. I thought the Britannica project was complete? All the best: Rich Farmbrough02:20, 23 August 2014 (UTC).