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| It's been three years since the last discussion was held in regards to the infobox image. As I believed so back then, the current image (which was reached by consensus albeit) is unflattering and as one user noted above, it's a bit creepy. I created a cropped close up so you can see what I'm talking about. Her eyes are half-open, quality isn't the best and if this is truly the 'best' picture that captures what she's known for (as stated in the last discussion three years ago in terms of her outfits), then perhaps it's best to asses an infobox image based on quality over what she's 'known' for. If this is the best picture that shows her during her 'comeback' (as stated in last discussion), then once again, I must emphasize the quality of the picture (awkward lighting, unflattering eye pose, not the best in quality). These are the current images at commons that are best suited for an infobox image. As noted in other talk page discussions, when the subject of an article passes away, their infobox image is also replaced with a black and white picture or of one that captures them in their 'prime' so to speak. Although (as of now) Marcos is still alive, I feel that Option B is in better quality than the current picture, shows her as her time as First Lady (much like other first lady articles) and will depict her in her prime when she passes away (not a huge factor now, but worth thinking about). Pinging previous contributors to the discussion three years ago for good measure: @Chieharumachi:, @Crisantom:, @Object404:, @Unilimited247:, @Lochglasgowstrathyre: TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:28, 27 December 2024 (UTC) |
| The opening to the Abdel Fattah el-Sisi article read:
Abdel Fattah Saeed Hussein Khalil El-Sisi (born 19 November 1954) is an Egyptian politician, dictator, and retired military officer who has been serving as the sixth and current president of Egypt since 2014. (The word dictator been been removed for now while the RfC discussion takes place) Should Sisi be referred to as a dictator? Some of these options are not mutually exclusive, so more than one can be selected:
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| Should the Squad be described in the article as "far left?" TFD (talk) 22:14, 26 December 2024 (UTC) |
| Musk is the wealthiest person in the world. He has been described as an oligarch by prominent commentators, academics, and experts.
Should a variant of the following sentence be included in the lead? Due to his considerable influence over American government policy, politics, media, industry, and public discourse, some academics and politicians have characterized Musk as an American oligarch. Does this addition have any support? Are there any other suggestions? (Some editors have argued that Musk should directly be referred to as an oligarch in the lead. I now agree with those that oppose doing so per WP:UNDUE.) Firecat93 (talk) 08:33, 26 December 2024 (UTC) |
What is the appropriate due coverage of the comments Lorenz made about the murder of Brian Thompson and the controversy surrounding them? See details and sources in the previous discussion here.
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| Should the article include the guard’s actions (grabbing the camera lens and touching Hersant’s shoulder) and the court’s findings regarding Sewell’s claims on racial motivation and self-defence? |
The current lead contains a simple mention of Trumpism. Should a brief description be added to this mention? A proposed wording for the added text, which is also up for debate here: characterized by right-wing populism, "America First" nationalism, and economic protectionism.— Goszei (talk) 04:51, 16 December 2024 (UTC) |
Talk:Science of Identity Foundation
| Should the article about the Science of Identity Foundation contain a section about the "Association to Tulsi Gabbard and her family"? Should it say that "Tulsi Gabbard has since distanced herself from SIF"?
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| Should the article on Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov include the following infobox? |
Economy, trade, and companies
| Should the Squad be described in the article as "far left?" TFD (talk) 22:14, 26 December 2024 (UTC) |
Talk:List of tallest buildings and structures in the Birmingham Metropolitan Area, West Midlands
| Which, if any, subsections of List of tallest buildings and structures in the Birmingham Metropolitan Area, West Midlands#Approved, proposed and emergent should be deleted? Should buildings in these sections with and without Misplaced Pages articles be treated differently? In favor of deletion is an interpretation of WP:CRYSTAL which says uncertain future events like building construction are out of scope for Misplaced Pages, especially for emergent proposals, which have not yet sought planning approval and it's unclear have a 50% probability of actually happening due to government rejection or financial difficulties. Against deletion is the argument that it's useful for research purposes to document the proposals and even though the proposals might not get built, they are referenced to reliable sources; approved designs are specific and more likely to get built. After this RFC is complete, the article may be split due to size, depending on what is kept. -- Beland (talk) 01:45, 4 December 2024 (UTC) |
History and geography
| I'd like to understand why we don't keep this photo collage much more representative than the image montage in the article at the moment. The main image I suggested is obviously better in terms of framing and resolution, as well as showing the exact moment when the second plane crashed into the WTC. Chronus (talk) 21:29, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
| Should the article’s infobox reflect EF2/T4 or F3/T5-6? This question stems from the fact the infobox inputs can only accept a single set of values (i.e. EF2/T4 or F3/T5-6, not both). The EF2/T4 rating comes from a peer reviewed paper by Timothy P. Marshall and Stuart Robinson with the Haag Engineering Co. which was published in the American Meteorological Society in August 2006. The F3/T5-6 rating comes from the Tornado and Storm Research Organisation (TORRO), the creators of the TORRO scale, T-scale, published in this 2015 paper.
Since the infobox can only contain one set of the ratings, this discussion more or less needs to determine which source (Haag Engineering Co. or TORRO) should be the infobox source.
The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 03:20, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
Talk:Second Nagorno-Karabakh War
What should the infobox indicate as the location of the hostilities?
Please enter Option 1 or Option 2, followed by a brief statement, in the Survey. Do not reply to other users in the Survey. Back-and-forth discussion may be conducted in the Discussion section. Grandmaster 16:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC) |
| Should the this Misplaced Pages page contain the section begining: article in the newspaper Agos, headlined "The Secret of Sabiha Hatun"? 217.44.10.171 (talk) 09:27, 15 December 2024 (UTC) |
Talk:Second Nagorno-Karabakh War
| The RfC is whether to retain or remove Syrian mercenaries from the belligerents section of the infobox. Cinderella157 (talk) 02:58, 10 December 2024 (UTC) |
| I'm opening a new RfC in an attempt to permanently solve this dispute. Should the Estado Novo regime be considered fascist? -- 2804:29B8:5183:100C:7163:1F92:A81A:7841 (talk) 23:44, 8 December 2024 (UTC) |
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| Should the article’s infobox reflect EF2/T4 or F3/T5-6? This question stems from the fact the infobox inputs can only accept a single set of values (i.e. EF2/T4 or F3/T5-6, not both). The EF2/T4 rating comes from a peer reviewed paper by Timothy P. Marshall and Stuart Robinson with the Haag Engineering Co. which was published in the American Meteorological Society in August 2006. The F3/T5-6 rating comes from the Tornado and Storm Research Organisation (TORRO), the creators of the TORRO scale, T-scale, published in this 2015 paper.
Since the infobox can only contain one set of the ratings, this discussion more or less needs to determine which source (Haag Engineering Co. or TORRO) should be the infobox source.
The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 03:20, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Weather
| Should we have notability standards for individual tornado articles? We already have informal inclusion criteria for "Tornadoes of YYYY" articles. Below is a preliminary proposal for such criteria, with the hope that it can evolve into a formal guideline that can possibly be referenced in future AfD discussions.
This has been nagging at me for a while now, and since another editor has talked to me about this issue, I think we bring this up. Since we have a sort of "inclusion criteria" for "Tornadoes of YYYY" articles, I suggest we come up with notability criteria for individual tornadoes as well. See User:EF5/My tornado criteria for what this may look like.
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| Should the lead of the article mention alternatives that may affect cats not affected by catnip? Escape Orbit 13:13, 13 December 2024 (UTC) |
| I have serious doubts about the authenticity of the tornado image in the article, including whether it was truthfully even taken in Cookeville. The image mentions it was taken from Reddit, and searching the image on Reddit reveals a high level of skepticism even from users there. I propose that this image be discussed and potentially removed unless it can be otherwise proven that the picture was taken in Cookeville on March 3. United States Man (talk) 19:46, 11 December 2024 (UTC) |
Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Weather
| Should weak and unimpactful tornadoes be included in list articles? Departure– (talk) 14:20, 11 December 2024 (UTC) |
Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard
| Is the blog Science-Based Medicine in whole or in part, a self-published source? Iljhgtn (talk) 01:20, 6 December 2024 (UTC) |
Which picture should be used in the lead?
Prior discussion: |
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Art, architecture, literature, and media
| It's been three years since the last discussion was held in regards to the infobox image. As I believed so back then, the current image (which was reached by consensus albeit) is unflattering and as one user noted above, it's a bit creepy. I created a cropped close up so you can see what I'm talking about. Her eyes are half-open, quality isn't the best and if this is truly the 'best' picture that captures what she's known for (as stated in the last discussion three years ago in terms of her outfits), then perhaps it's best to asses an infobox image based on quality over what she's 'known' for. If this is the best picture that shows her during her 'comeback' (as stated in last discussion), then once again, I must emphasize the quality of the picture (awkward lighting, unflattering eye pose, not the best in quality). These are the current images at commons that are best suited for an infobox image. As noted in other talk page discussions, when the subject of an article passes away, their infobox image is also replaced with a black and white picture or of one that captures them in their 'prime' so to speak. Although (as of now) Marcos is still alive, I feel that Option B is in better quality than the current picture, shows her as her time as First Lady (much like other first lady articles) and will depict her in her prime when she passes away (not a huge factor now, but worth thinking about). Pinging previous contributors to the discussion three years ago for good measure: @Chieharumachi:, @Crisantom:, @Object404:, @Unilimited247:, @Lochglasgowstrathyre: TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:28, 27 December 2024 (UTC) |
Talk:Big Foot (Nicki Minaj song)
| Should the article contain a composition/lyrics section, include content about Ben Shapiro's relationship to the song, and background information giving context to the song's release? Flabshoe1 (talk) 03:49, 26 December 2024 (UTC) |
Talk:List of sitcoms known for negative reception
| Should animated sitcoms be listed in this article or in List of television shows notable for negative reception#Animated shows, or both? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
Has Game Science's sexism controversy added controversy around Black Myth: Wukong's launch, and should this information be appended to the first sentence of the paragraph that starts with "In 2023, IGN released a report"? Aaron Liu (talk) 03:25, 19 December 2024 (UTC) |
| When referring to Grande in the article, should her credited name or common name, i.e. should "Ariana Grande-Butera" or "Ariana Grande", be used? Happily888 (talk) 08:20, 11 December 2024 (UTC) |
Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard
What is the reliability of the German tabloid Bild, including its website Bild.de?
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| Should the following revision/expansion be accepted or rejected?
It concerns the paragraph introducing the quoted excerpt in the section currently titled "Excerpt of Ibn Zamrak's poem on the basin" (about an inscription carved into the courtyard's fountain). It currently reads as:
The proposed expansion would read as:
If accepted, further copy-edits or suggestions about wording are also welcome. If relevant for context, the reasons for starting this RfC are this edit and this revert, along with the discussion above. R Prazeres (talk) 21:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC) |
Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard
| Is the blog Science-Based Medicine in whole or in part, a self-published source? Iljhgtn (talk) 01:20, 6 December 2024 (UTC) |
Talk:List of tallest buildings and structures in the Birmingham Metropolitan Area, West Midlands
| Which, if any, subsections of List of tallest buildings and structures in the Birmingham Metropolitan Area, West Midlands#Approved, proposed and emergent should be deleted? Should buildings in these sections with and without Misplaced Pages articles be treated differently? In favor of deletion is an interpretation of WP:CRYSTAL which says uncertain future events like building construction are out of scope for Misplaced Pages, especially for emergent proposals, which have not yet sought planning approval and it's unclear have a 50% probability of actually happening due to government rejection or financial difficulties. Against deletion is the argument that it's useful for research purposes to document the proposals and even though the proposals might not get built, they are referenced to reliable sources; approved designs are specific and more likely to get built. After this RFC is complete, the article may be split due to size, depending on what is kept. -- Beland (talk) 01:45, 4 December 2024 (UTC) |
| Should the article on Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov include the following infobox? |
Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard
| Is Indie Vision Music - Contact/staff - Contact/staff from 2006-2020 a generally reliable source for music-related journalism?--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 18:49, 30 November 2024 (UTC) |
Politics, government, and law
| The opening to the Abdel Fattah el-Sisi article read:
Abdel Fattah Saeed Hussein Khalil El-Sisi (born 19 November 1954) is an Egyptian politician, dictator, and retired military officer who has been serving as the sixth and current president of Egypt since 2014. (The word dictator been been removed for now while the RfC discussion takes place) Should Sisi be referred to as a dictator? Some of these options are not mutually exclusive, so more than one can be selected:
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| Should the Squad be described in the article as "far left?" TFD (talk) 22:14, 26 December 2024 (UTC) |
Talk:1996 New Zealand general election
| Should the bottom of the infobox in this election and all elections that follow it, which use the mixed-member proportional system, show the Prime Minister and their party alone (similarly to other Westminster systems, such as the UK, Australia, and Canada), or the Cabinet and its member parties (similarly to other systems that have coalition governments, such as Germany, the Netherlands, and Poland)? Glide08 (talk) 13:37, 26 December 2024 (UTC) |
Talk:Second Nagorno-Karabakh War
What should the infobox indicate as the location of the hostilities?
Please enter Option 1 or Option 2, followed by a brief statement, in the Survey. Do not reply to other users in the Survey. Back-and-forth discussion may be conducted in the Discussion section. Grandmaster 16:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC) |
Talk:Mackinac Center for Public Policy
| This a request for comment on the above question and previous section. Is the Mackinac Center for Public Policy a Conservative group and should be described as such? And does the polices listed above overrule the more widely available references describing their relationships and them as Conservative vs Free-Market? ContentEditman (talk) 02:35, 18 December 2024 (UTC) |
Talk:National Socialist Network
| Should the Riverina chapter of the NSN be included in the infobox? Evoren (talk) 16:11, 17 December 2024 (UTC) |
| Should the article include the guard’s actions (grabbing the camera lens and touching Hersant’s shoulder) and the court’s findings regarding Sewell’s claims on racial motivation and self-defence? |
The current lead contains a simple mention of Trumpism. Should a brief description be added to this mention? A proposed wording for the added text, which is also up for debate here: characterized by right-wing populism, "America First" nationalism, and economic protectionism.— Goszei (talk) 04:51, 16 December 2024 (UTC) |
Talk:Second Nagorno-Karabakh War
| The RfC is whether to retain or remove Syrian mercenaries from the belligerents section of the infobox. Cinderella157 (talk) 02:58, 10 December 2024 (UTC) |
| Is the Syrian civil war over? 207.96.32.81 (talk) 00:52, 9 December 2024 (UTC) |
| I'm opening a new RfC in an attempt to permanently solve this dispute. Should the Estado Novo regime be considered fascist? -- 2804:29B8:5183:100C:7163:1F92:A81A:7841 (talk) 23:44, 8 December 2024 (UTC) |
Talk:2004 United States election voting controversies
Debate is ongoing as to whether content should be included in this article. This RfC covers two questions:
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| Does this sentence violate NPOV and should it be removed from the lead and the body?
"Zionists wanted to create a Jewish state in Palestine with as much land, as many Jews, and as few Palestinian Arabs as possible" Bob drobbs (talk) 18:33, 30 November 2024 (UTC) |
Religion and philosophy
Society, sports, and culture
Following content was added by me in Kshatriya#Modern era in recent past, should this statement be restored :
Previous discussions |
Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Rugby league
Should we standardise each English Rugby League team's seasonal results article (where at all possible) to adopt the collapsible fixtures box format used by articles for Australian NRL teams as well as, most recently, for Castleford Tigers? See 2024 Newcastle Knights season#Matches and 2024 Castleford Tigers season#Results for the system in action:
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What is the appropriate due coverage of the comments Lorenz made about the murder of Brian Thompson and the controversy surrounding them? See details and sources in the previous discussion here.
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Should Bloody Elbow pre-March 2024 be considered a reliable source on ONE Championship?
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Has Game Science's sexism controversy added controversy around Black Myth: Wukong's launch, and should this information be appended to the first sentence of the paragraph that starts with "In 2023, IGN released a report"? Aaron Liu (talk) 03:25, 19 December 2024 (UTC) |
Talk:National Socialist Network
| Should the Riverina chapter of the NSN be included in the infobox? Evoren (talk) 16:11, 17 December 2024 (UTC) |
| Should the article include the guard’s actions (grabbing the camera lens and touching Hersant’s shoulder) and the court’s findings regarding Sewell’s claims on racial motivation and self-defence? |
| Should the lead of the article mention alternatives that may affect cats not affected by catnip? Escape Orbit 13:13, 13 December 2024 (UTC) |
Talk:Department of Politics and International Studies, University of Cambridge
| A recent, informal discussion produced a lot of opinions but no clear consensus.
Should the "notable people" section in this article be:
(I included the above options as those that appear to have been supported by at least one person in the informal discussion. My apologies if I missed or misrepresented something.) Chetsford (talk) 20:11, 2 December 2024 (UTC) |
| There is an ongoing dispute about whether some articles detailing discrimination to certain ethnic groups (Anti-French sentiment, Anti-English sentiment, etc.) should be included in the template, the main argument against their inclusion being that sources should directly state whether the pages are about discrimination. Should these pages be included or not? —TwinBoo (talk) 17:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC) |
Misplaced Pages talk:Notability (sports)
RfC: Should the following paragraph be added to WP:NMOTORSPORT?
note: strikethrough text was replaced by underlined text after the proposal per the discussion. |
Non-article issues
Misplaced Pages style and naming
Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines
| The opening to the Abdel Fattah el-Sisi article read:
Abdel Fattah Saeed Hussein Khalil El-Sisi (born 19 November 1954) is an Egyptian politician, dictator, and retired military officer who has been serving as the sixth and current president of Egypt since 2014. (The word dictator been been removed for now while the RfC discussion takes place) Should Sisi be referred to as a dictator? Some of these options are not mutually exclusive, so more than one can be selected:
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Talk:Mackinac Center for Public Policy
| This a request for comment on the above question and previous section. Is the Mackinac Center for Public Policy a Conservative group and should be described as such? And does the polices listed above overrule the more widely available references describing their relationships and them as Conservative vs Free-Market? ContentEditman (talk) 02:35, 18 December 2024 (UTC) |
Misplaced Pages:Village pump (policy)
Should Misplaced Pages:Administrators#Restoration of admin tools be amended to:
Background: This issue arose in one recent RfA and is currently being discussed in an ongoing RfA. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:14, 15 December 2024 (UTC) |
Misplaced Pages talk:Please do not bite the newcomers
There are several questions, as follows:
The proposed rewrite can be found here: Misplaced Pages:Please do not bite the newcomers/rewrite. Please refrain from making significant changes to the rewrite while the RfC is ongoing. Also see the idea lab discussion: Misplaced Pages:Village pump (idea lab) § Rewriting WP:BITE. After the last RfC, User:Alalch E. has done work on cleaning up the "Understanding newcomers" section. Ca 14:28, 11 December 2024 (UTC) |
Talk:Second Nagorno-Karabakh War
| The RfC is whether to retain or remove Syrian mercenaries from the belligerents section of the infobox. Cinderella157 (talk) 02:58, 10 December 2024 (UTC) |
| Should the sentence in the instructions to this template "If possible, verify the text with references provided in the foreign-language article" be reworded? Fangz (talk) 10:14, 4 December 2024 (UTC) |
Misplaced Pages talk:Notability (sports)
RfC: Should the following paragraph be added to WP:NMOTORSPORT?
note: strikethrough text was replaced by underlined text after the proposal per the discussion. |
WikiProjects and collaborations
Technical and templates
Misplaced Pages:Village pump (proposals)
Should the override-antispoof permission be enabled for the importer group? charlotte 18:44, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
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| Should the sentence in the instructions to this template "If possible, verify the text with references provided in the foreign-language article" be reworded? Fangz (talk) 10:14, 4 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Misplaced Pages:Village pump (policy)
| Should admins or other users evaluating consensus in a discussion discount, ignore, or strike through or collapse comments found to have been generated by AI/LLM/Chatbots? 00:12, 2 December 2024 (UTC) |
- Arabic: عبد الفتاح سعيد حسين خليل السيسي
- Arabic: عبد الفتاح سعيد حسين خليل السيسي
- Arabic: عبد الفتاح سعيد حسين خليل السيسي
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Sources that categorize Sisi as a dictator:
- "Egypt's rushed election shows Abdel-Fattah al-Sisi is nervous". The Economist. ISSN 0013-0613. Retrieved 2024-12-27.
Last month Abdel-Fattah al-Sisi, Egypt's military dictator...
- Dunne, Michele (2019-04-08). "Why Is Trump Helping Egypt's Dictator Entrench His Power?". POLITICO Magazine. Retrieved 2024-12-27.
- "President Trump, Condemn This Sham Egyptian Election | The Washington Institute". www.washingtoninstitute.org. Retrieved 2024-12-27.
...issued a statement praising the Egyptian dictator's magnificent work for the country
- "A Blank Check for Egypt's Dictator". Bloomberg.com. Retrieved 2024-12-27.
- Toosi, Nahal (2021-07-12). "In D.C. visit, Egypt spy boss claims U.S. agreed — in writing — to jail American activist". POLITICO. Retrieved 2024-12-27.
...Abdel Fattah El-Sisi, the Egyptian dictator who has imprisoned tens of thousands of dissidents.
Lawler, Dave (2019-04-23). "Egypt's President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi could rule until 2030 after winning referendum". Axios. Retrieved 2024-12-27.He has now cemented his status as Egypt's dictator without losing his position as a U.S. ally.
- Greenwald, Glenn (2015-03-31). "Obama Personally Tells the Egyptian Dictator That U.S. Will Again Send Weapons (and Cash) to His Regime". The Intercept. Retrieved 2024-12-27.
- Williams, Jennifer (2017-04-03). "Egypt's president is a bloodthirsty dictator. Trump thinks he's done a "fantastic job."". Vox. Retrieved 2024-12-27.
- "Egypt President Abdul Fattah al-Sisi: Ruler with an iron grip". BBC News. 2020-12-01. Retrieved 2024-11-22.
- "Egypt is again under military rule, but Sisi lacks Nasser's appeal". The Economist. ISSN 0013-0613. Archived from the original on 2021-08-26. Retrieved 2024-11-25.
- Grewal, Sharan (2023-07-25), "Egypt: A Coup against Democracy", Soldiers of Democracy?, Oxford University PressOxford, pp. 136–176, doi:10.1093/oso/9780192873910.003.0007, ISBN 0-19-287391-1, retrieved 2024-11-25
- "EU Deal with Egypt Rewards Authoritarianism, Betrays 'EU Values' | Human Rights Watch". 2024-03-15. Retrieved 2024-12-14.
- "Egypt's rushed election shows Abdel-Fattah al-Sisi is nervous". The Economist. ISSN 0013-0613. Retrieved 2024-12-27.
- ^ "EU Deal with Egypt Rewards Authoritarianism, Betrays 'EU Values' | Human Rights Watch". 2024-03-15. Retrieved 2024-12-14.
- ^ Irwin 2004, p. 52. sfn error: no target: CITEREFIrwin2004 (help)
- ^ López 2011, p. 134. sfn error: no target: CITEREFLópez2011 (help)
- ^ Puerta Vílchez 2015, p. 169. sfn error: no target: CITEREFPuerta_Vílchez2015 (help)
- ^ Puerta Vílchez 2015, p. 168. sfn error: no target: CITEREFPuerta_Vílchez2015 (help)
- Ashok K. Pankaj, Ajit K. Pandey, ed. (2018). Dalits, Subalternity and Social Change in India. Routledge.
By the 1990s, OBCs in North India had acquired education, government jobs, land and economic resources and political power that edged them towards "sanskritization". Many of them started claiming Kshatriya status and looked for a social and religious identity closer to that of the upper caste Hindus.
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- "Jati". Britannica encyclopaedia. Retrieved 6 November 2024.
In different parts of India, certain caste groups have sought respectability within the varna system by claiming membership in a particular varna. Typical and most successful was the claim of the Rajputs that they were the Kshatriyas, or nobles, of the second varna
- Amod Jayant Lele (2001). Hindutva and Singapore Confucianism as Projects of Political Legitimation. Cornell University Press. p. 133.
Many jatis have tried to claim Kshatriya status, with varying degrees of success, the most successful being the Rajputs.
- Luna Sabastian (2022). "Women, Violence, Sovereignty:"Rakshasa" Marriage by Capture in Modern Indian Political Thought". Modern Intellectual History. Cambridge University Press: 769. doi:10.1017/S1479244321000391.
It was duly observed among the Rajputs, India's most successful claimants to Kshatriya status in the present age, to the point where "Rajput" even came to appropriate the meaning and assimilative function of "Kshatriya."
- Mayer, A. (2023). Caste and Kinship in Central India: A Village and its Region. University of California Press. p. 63. ISBN 978-0-520-31349-1. Retrieved 2024-11-07.
The Rajputs, of course, are the prime Kshatriya caste. Some maintain that they are descendants of the only people who did not deny their true Kshatriya status and managed to escape from Parasurama; others say that they changed their name to Rajput to deceive Parasurama, but alone of the Kshatriyas kept on with their martial occupation. They appear in any case to have the strongest claim to Kshatriya status.
- Hira Singh (2014). Recasting Caste: From the Sacred to the Profane. SAGE Publications. p. 108. ISBN 8132119800.
One, the decline of the Vaishyas and two, the emergence of the Rajputs, originally a diverse group who successfully claimed the Kshatriya identity, with the compliance of the Brahmans in return for land grants and other material gains.
- Carl Skutsch, ed. (2013). Encyclopedia of the World's Minorities. Routledge. p. 600. ISBN 1135193959.
During this time, the Rajputs of Rajasthan were a major force in medieval Indian society and politics. Their origin are not known, but it is thought that they came from abroad. In either case they acquired lunar and solar connections and kshatriya status.
- Abraham Eraly (2011). The First Spring: The Golden Age of India. Penguin UK. ISBN 8184755694.
Numerous ruling families all over the subcontinent were thus invested with the Kshatriya status over the centuries. In North India, many of the migrants and tribesmen who became Kshatriyas by this process came to be known as Rajputs, a people entirely unknown before the sixth century CE, but who, by the early medieval times, came to be regarded as the very epitome of the Kshatriya varna. These people were evidently metamorphosed as Kshatriyas by Brahminical rites.
- Kaushik Roy (2021). A Global History of Pre-Modern Warfare: Before the Rise of the West, 10,000 BCE–1500 CE. Routledge. ISBN 1000432122.
Rajput- Originally known as thakurs, who were high caste landowners and became the hereditary warrior community. They acquired Kshatriya status (second highest caste in the fourfold Hindu hierarchical varna system).
- "Jati". Britannica encyclopaedia. Retrieved 6 November 2024.
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