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Your edit

Do you really need to put "Comparisons with mental disorders are not going to be very constructive here." ? Yes passive aggressiveness is a mental disorder but you do not have to elaborate on it and throw it into the spotlight. This I not helping an already tense talkpage. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 03:57, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

I did not "throw" it in the spotlight, it was already in the spotlight. It is not uncivil to point out that someone else is being uncivil. And it is really quite an unacceptable thing to say. I know the men's rights group on Reddit talks like that all the time, but that's no excuse for it on Misplaced Pages. —Neotarf (talk) 04:03, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

It was not in the spotlight though, it is just like someone else calling someone the N word and then going to describe it, it just adds salt into the wounds. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 04:04, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

What do you mean "not in the spotlight"? It is watchlisted by 77 people, and has been viewed 1743 times in the last 30 days. And you want to leave that up unchallenged? —Neotarf (talk) 04:16, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Curious where you see discussion of mental disorders (or where the personal attack is for that matter) on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias/Gender_gap_task_force#Request_for_Arbitration_on_this_Task_force. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 03:58, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Im not the one who brought it up, the personal attack was blowing up the comment of what another editor had put down and throwing it into the spotlight. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 04:02, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

So it's okay to make a personal attack, but not okay to object to a personal attack? Do you have a link to the policy for that? —Neotarf (talk) 04:07, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Knowledgekid87 has now introduced the "passive aggressive/mental disorder" meme on the arbitration page. So much for keeping things out of spotlights.—Neotarf (talk) 04:23, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Arbitration case request

Hi Neotarf, I've added you as a party to a case request currently before the Committee by request of an arbitrator. Please review the request at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case# and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use—

• Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests#Requests for arbitration;
• Misplaced Pages:Arbitration guide.

Thanks, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 09:44, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

That's very odd, Callanecc. Can you tell me who requested to add me to the case, and why? —Neotarf (talk) 11:18, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

I've asked the arb to comment on the clerks list. Don't think they're active at the moment. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:33, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I really don't want to have to spend time looking for one of those "ping me if you think of some reason I should be here" statements I can copy-paste. —Neotarf (talk) 13:40, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

It was I who asked Callanecc to add you as a party; the reason is quite simple: I believe your recent conduct bears review as well, alongside that of the other parties. It doesn't mean I think you have done anything sanctionable, because to determine that I'd of course need a case first, but, yes, in my opinion, if we end opening a case – which does not look likely at the moment – you should be a party too. Salvio 08:41, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

@Salvio What do you mean "bears review"? Why am I being singled out? And no, it looks like the group is not eager to see the Arbcom involved. But I do appreciated your transparency. —Neotarf (talk) 11:41, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

By "bears review" I meant that I thought your recent behaviour should be examined by ArbCom, along with that of the other parties. So, no, you are not being singled out. Salvio 23:20, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Respect of my gender

Hello, at one of the WP:ANI pages you commented and used male pronouns to describe me or subsequently used a comment like, 'Pretending to be something they're not'. I would like to note that I am a woman and referring to me by male pronouns by mistake, and fixing it later is perfectly fine, however given the context of the situation, I don't approve of it happening when I've made it clear several times that I am a woman. ArbCom especially has already set a precedent on this in the Manning case, where editors should respect other editor's gender identities, gender, backgrounds, and the like. I would like to be respected so I am going to ask that you edit your comment to use female pronouns. Thank you. Tutelary (talk) 15:06, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Diff? —Neotarf (talk) 21:35, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

This edit of yours. Tutelary (talk) 21:42, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

What male pronoun?—Neotarf (talk) 21:44, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Pretending to be something they're not' I also mentioned that bit. You're saying that I was pretending to be a woman. Tutelary (talk) 21:48, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Diff? —Neotarf (talk) 21:52, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

The first diff I posted. Read where it starts "Claiming to be a woman..." Tutelary (talk) 22:04, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

You were claiming to be a woman, and you are still doing so. —Neotarf (talk) 22:08, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Are you saying that I am not a woman, Neotarf? Tutelary (talk) 22:15, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Let's cut to the chase, shall we? There are no diffs. There are no male pronouns. Stop making stuff up, and go do something useful. —Neotarf (talk) 22:20, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Not when your comment ultimately continues to say and implicate that I am a guy pretending to be a woman. Under ArbCom's manning dispute, other editors are to respect gender, gender identities, and other backgrounds. ArbCom also does good to enforce their rulings by sanctions. Tutelary (talk) 22:30, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Oh, please. And the Manning case said nothing about pronouns. Content disputes are not in ArbCom's remit. You may, however, be interested in WP:ASPERSIONS —Neotarf (talk) 22:34, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Please do read Equality and respect

5.2) Misplaced Pages editors and readers come from a diverse range of backgrounds, including with respect to their race, ethnicity, national origin, religion, sex or gender, sexual orientation, and gender identity or expression. Comments that demean fellow editors, an article subject, or any other person, on the basis of any of these characteristics are offensive and damage the editing environment for everyone. Such comments, particularly when extreme or repeated after a warning, are grounds for blocking or other sanctions. - https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Manning_naming_dispute Tutelary (talk) 22:40, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

If you wish to continue making your ridiculous accusations, take it to the appropriate notice board, with diffs. ——Neotarf (talk) 22:49, 13 September 2014 (UTC)