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Algol 68G

I am rather bemused to see the ALGOL 68G article gone. This implementation of the ALGOL language is notable because it is the only one still maintained, and deleting it is doing the computer language historian a disservice. Choosing "advertising" as a criterium for deletion is odd, as this interpreter is free and open sourced. It serves a clear purpose in stating where it deviates from historic implementations, and by stating that this particular implementation is an interpreter rather than a compiler, which historic translators were.

Also, there are a lot of computer language articles, some from large companies, that really *are* blatant advertisements. In my opinion, the deletion of this article is an error, and I would like to see it back. — René Vincent Jansen (talk) 21:41, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

• Please learn to provide links when you talk about articles. ALGOL 68G was deleted for the simple reason that there was a total absence of independent evidence of notability. I would be happy to let you see the text so that you can create a new article - read this. Or talk to Algol68g (talk · contribs). — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:27, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Please learn not to be condescending. I did address you in a civil manner, please return the favour. I did not provide links for fear that you are going to delete more. The perceived lack of notability is a subjective judgement on your part. This implementation has been discussed in various fora, e.g. the linkedin ALGOL forum. I provided you with clues as to its notability. If you restore it, I will add references. For the moment, you caused an unresolved reference in the main ALGOL article. Please reflect on the possibility that you are doing the historical computing community a disservice. — René Vincent Jansen (talk) 13:53, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

• I am sorry if you consider me condescending and I consider that my reply was completely civil. "For fear that you are going to delete more" - what on earth are you talking about? The only link I wanted you to provide was to ALGOL 68G which you did not do when you posted your first message. You are going to tell me that the following is condescending: my previous message contains this link - you clearly did not follow it. I am indicating that I consider that a well referenced article on this subject might well be viable so it may be worth your while spending a little time recreating it. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:02, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

I referred to blatant advertisements by software companies (that I still do not want you to delete). This is how I interpreted your mention of not provided links. If you consider a pointer to something nonexistent (because you deleted it) a link to be provided, you got me worried. It seems to say "I delete so much content, I cannot remember it." As your answers are void of content, at least until now, let me repeat my opinion of why ALGOL68G is of satisfactory notability: "This implementation of the ALGOL language is notable because it is the only one still maintained, and deleting it is doing the computer language historian a disservice. Choosing "advertising" as a criterium for deletion is odd, as this interpreter is free and open sourced. It serves a clear purpose in stating where it deviates from historic implementations, and by stating that this particular implementation is an interpreter rather than a compiler, which historic translators were." As for the other term used, "advertising", I think that slightly different rules should apply to free and open source products, as there is no marketing or profit involved. I commend Marcel van der Veer for his effort and I deplore your treatment of this article. Your assumption of me not following this link is incorrect. I do not need the text to be emailed, it was saved by several downstream servers. René Vincent Jansen (talk) 18:23, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

• I just checked what WP:G11 says. It says: "Pages that are exclusively promotional, and would need to be fundamentally rewritten to become encyclopedic. If a subject is notable and the content can be replaced with text that complies with neutral point of view, this is preferable to deletion. Note:An article about a company or a product which describes its subject from a neutral point of view does not qualify for this criterion." (my emphasis.) G11 is only about spam, as far as I can tell. It seems pretty farfetched to call the now deleted article about Algol-68G spam, the text was a completely neutral description of what Algol68G is. Please restore the page. Lasse Hillerøe Petersen (talk) 19:52, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

• Have you checked my logs? I think it is perfectly reasonable of me to say "I delete so much content, I cannot remember it." But why are you guys going on at me? Have I not made it clear that my suggestion is that you should re-create the page? What is stopping you? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:30, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Asif Ali Lighari

Hello, There is no rule in Misplaced Pages regarding age, the only thing is notability. He is notable as per Misplaced Pages:Notability (academics), lets see how discuusion goes further 37.143.14.157 (talk) 13:04, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Voted there. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 14:05, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Histories of deleted pages

Hi there, and thanks for your help evaluating my recent speedy deletion nominations. Is there really no way for non-admins to view histories of deleted pages? These speedy deletions are part of a cleanup effort of content that may have been generated by a large network of paid socks or meats. I've focused on the content so far and I was planning on dealing with the conduct issues afterwards, but if the cleanup effort interferes with the conduct investigation (e.g. setting up an SPI) then perhaps I should stop nominating pages for now? -- Dr. Fleischman (talk) 17:38, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

• Don't stop. Certainly as far as CheckUser investigations go, all people with CheckUser rights also have admin rights. As to other investigations, you can always ask an admin. But why don't you request admin rights for yourself? Apparently self-nominations stand slightly less chance than others so I will nominate you if you ask. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:19, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm flattered, but isn't that a pretty involved process? And aside from acting responsibly is there any unwritten expectation that admins make any sort of time commitment? My participation is extremely erratic (due to off-wiki constraints). --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 21:29, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

• It is a pretty straightforward process - see WP:RFA and it should all be over in seven days. That is the fun thing about being an admin - there are no performance targets - you do as little or as much as you feel like. (But to get the rights you may have to give the impression that you are going to do a lot!) Look at JamesR's stats - there are hundreds of admins who have never done more than a few admin actions. Look at successful requests for adminship to see how to do it and, possibly more usefully, unsuccessful adminship candidacies to see how not to do it! — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:12, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

I reviewed some past RFAs -- an interesting educational experience -- and it seems clear to me that at least at this point I have neither the requisite experience nor the inclination to be an admin. But going back to what you wrote about CheckUser investigations, I understand that SPI clerks can review deleted page histories but that doesn't help non-admin SPI requesters, who are the ones doing most of the investigation work (searching through edit histories to find evidence to present). --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 05:27, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

• I do take your point that it would be useful for investigation. Indeed I have considered proposing that an admin on one wiki should have "read-only" admin rights on all other wikis. Feel free to raise the matter at the Village Pump - the Policy section is probably the right one. But I think you may be told: "apply for adminship - it's no big deal and SPI work is a valid reason for requesting it". — Preceding unsigned comment added by RHaworth (talk • contribs)

French Urbanism Institute

I nominated it for speedy; you agreed and deleted it. There's a request from a reliable admin. on my talk p to restore it, so I did--I assume he will fix it as needed. DGG ( talk ) 18:01, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Suiside Inferno

Suiside Inferno/This page has been locked. only admins have permission to create this page. Hi I created Suiside Inferno page a bunch of times and it was deleted bcuz I was new to Misplaced Pages and lacked knowledge to edit pages. Now I have references and proof that U need but it says U have a lock on Suiside Inferno page so I can't even edit it. I basically want u to remove the lock and grant me access to recreate or edit the page were I left off from. I have what U ask me for now so my page Suiside Inferno wont be deleted.....Thanks Suiside Inferno 22:19, 16 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gerunimo (talk • contribs)

• You will fare better if you write proper English. Kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks you are notable and writes about you here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:35, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

What do you mean wait until somebody write about me? 1st off you have my rap name Suiside Inferno locked!! So how can anybody write about me if they can't even create the page if Suiside Inferno can only be created by admins? 2nd You must have not been doing your research on my resources I have been providing? Everybody knows Suiside Inferno. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gerunimo (talk • contribs) 00:10, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello?? Did u receive my message? Suiside Inferno 01:57, 17 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gerunimo (talk • contribs)

• (stalking) What RHaworth means is until you are getting sustained coverage in Rolling Stone to the extent of Tupak Shakur, you should forget about this article as it just isn't going to happen. — Ritchie333 07:06, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

• Your childish use of u continues to annoy me. You were unusually lucky to receive a prompt reply to your previous message - normally you must be prepared to wait up to 24 hours for a reply here. I have checked your "resources" - I am unimpressed. The protection of the page will simply not be an impediment if the right author comes along. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:57, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Indeed. I have made a couple of trips to AN to request desalting (most infamously for Elvis' Greatest Shit) and have always gone with strong evidence of notability in hand. Never had a problem. Ritchie333 10:04, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

• Ritchie, I had a silly idea: we could define the Tupak as a unit of notability for rappers. The threshold for inclusion might be as low as 300 milliTupaks. But however low we set the threshold, Gerunimo is likely to fall below it. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:46, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Well, logically 300 milliTupaks could be significant coverage in 3 reliable sources (usually enough to get an AfD not closed as "delete"), 100 could be significant coverage in 1 reliable source (you can squeeze a redirect out of it), 50 is a paragraph in a reliable source amongst a ton of self published stuff (you'd have to work at anything other than delete), 25 is a single mention of your name in The Boise Herald, and 10 is a Facebook page with enough "likes" to have a unique name. All makes perfect sense! Ritchie333 16:55, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Exactly what I expected. If you search wiki rappers like Kevin Gates and Young Thug. Those Guys have about the same amount of popularity and buzz as I do. TUPAC? no they don't even compare to Tupac, but they have Misplaced Pages pages about there music. You wouldn't allow me to even finish providing you with resources. I went by other rap names besides Suiside Inferno. Besides I am currently in the process of being signed to Atlantic Records. I will be wrote about here just be patient. :-) (Suiside Inferno 18:09, 17 September 2014 (UTC)). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gerunimo (talk • contribs)

Hi-hat, hi hat, high hat and high-hat

Did you miss the {{hangon}} template I was invited to leave? — Sardanaphalus (talk) 13:24, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

...Just received your message. Okay, forget it and get back to your trigger finger. — Sardanaphalus (talk) 13:25, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

PS "...We simply do not do pages, not even redirects, with multiple variants all together." Please, therefore, speedily delete this. — Sardanaphalus (talk) 13:28, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

• That is a disambiguation page which is supposed to be there! What RHaworth means is we have a redirect for each individual term - i.e. Hi-hat, hi hat, high hat and high-hat. -- Launchballer 13:35, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Shekhar Mudgal

sir why have you delete my page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shekhar mudgal1 (talk • contribs) 07:11, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

shekhar mudgal — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shekhar mudgal1 (talk • contribs) 07:41, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Roger will be along in a minute to say "kindly wait until someone with no conflict of interest thinks you are notable and writes about you", but in the meantime, the page as I caught it appeared to be little more than blatant self promotion with contact details. Given that Misplaced Pages is incredibly popular and easily accessible around the world, putting contact details including a phone number in plain sight is not what I would consider sensible. Ritchie333 10:00, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

• No it is not a case for "kindly …" - that is for when there is at least some assertion of notability. The message here is: Misplaced Pages is not for social networking. Please keep to your facebook page. As Ritchie says, revealing your phone number is a bad idea and your friend Emil will not be too pleased to have his address disclosed. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:07, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Restoring Talk:Girlrillaz to Talk:Free the Nipple

Hello. I notice that you deleted Talk:Girlrillaz as part of repairing a cut/paste move of Girlrillaz to Free the Nipple. But I think the Talk page should be restored as the Talk:Free the Nipple, since otherwise the talk history will be lost. (I also remarked about this at User talk:MER-C.) — BarrelProof (talk) 16:00, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

RodeishaV

Hi RHaworth, I recently submitted my first article, and I had not quite finished the links. It did unfortunately look like advertising, I think because I had not finished the links. But I may also have used the wrong angle on the story, it may have been more appropriate to simply write the article about the company Insight Consulting, and include courses underneath that. Questions: I would like to try again, with more external links, can I do this without losing my account etc? Is it better to do it from the perspective of the company name Insight Consultancy Solutions Inc.? As in the style of this competitor The Trium Group.

I am writing as someone who has attended the courses and also watched this firm for a long time, and I think they should be up there because they are bringing something new and fresh to the field of management consultancy. FYI I now have about 6 external links of articles by the founder, although they are not necessarily on the courses. My main concern is that I do not want to be deleted as a user because I am doing the wrong thing. I really appreciate wikipedia and what it does. It is a great service. I have a background in journalism, and really find it useful, so do not want to jeopardize your quality at all. Thanks RodeishaV — Preceding unsigned comment added by RodeishaV (talk • contribs) 22:21, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) The "article" that was deleted came across as a pretty shameless and adoring paean ("something new and fresh") to the latest management consultancy training huckster, peddling "solutions" (see WP:SOLUTIONS) at high prices. You particularly went wrong by putting in advertisements for her latest book, complete with a pimplink to a free chapter. I am willing to accept that you may be an adoring fan, rather than an employee of the principal of this firm; but it is a close call, based on the tone of the draft that was deleted. --Orange Mike | Talk 01:28, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

• Let us change the mantra slightly: kindly have the decency to wait until someone who knows what a Misplaced Pages article should look like and who knows from what perspective to write it thinks your company is notable and writes about it here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:30, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Air Force ranks of the Russian Federation

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Air Force ranks and insignia of the Russian Federation .. Since you had some involvement with the Air Force ranks and insignia of the Russian Federation . redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. — Mr. Stradivarius 11:02, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Pls Restore Page - MixSingh

This is About a Famous Music Producer in india, You can check on websites... all references were true !!!! i think you accidentally deleted the page... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karanoberois (talk • contribs) 13:02, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

• Kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks you are notable and writes about you here.

Freshly Squeezed Music

Hello, I am emailing regarding a page deletion of Freshly Squeezed Music on 5 September I believe. I had previously seen that it was up for deletion and I had worked on it to bring it up to standard and omit any unsubstantiated claims and improve the referencing. For some reason I can't find the finalised copy that I submitted so I was hoping you might be able to supply this for me please? It would also be of use if you could let me know of any further problems with this page so I can correct them. Thank you. — TheSpannerer (talk) 13:12, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

• I have not seen your email. Kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks your company is notable and writes about it here. Text reluctantly emailed. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:30, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Voice Intro Project invitees

Hi, Please undelete Category:Misplaced Pages Voice Intro Project invitees; it's a tracking category which may or may not be empty, over time. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:22, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

• How does the invitees category differ from Category:Misplaced Pages Voice Intro Project invitations? Why do we need both categories? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:35, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Ah, sorry, I was confusing the former for the latter. As you were. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:48, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Mahfouz Marei Mubarak Bin Mahfouz

Dear Roger, Hope you are well. I'm emailing you now to ask about the Draft talk:Mahfouz Marei Mubarak Bin Mahfouz that has been deleted as well as the original page of Mahfouz Marei Mubarak Bin Mahfouz and the page of The Mahfouz Foundation. I need please an assistance to sort out the problem of those two pages. I have been more that 3 months trying to create those pages but could not and every time they are being deleted without sufficient help and advice to create and make them stable. Please give me a hand and help me to sort this problem out urgently. Thanks in advance for your cooperation and assistance and look forward to your positive feedback asap. Cheers, Ahmad — Preceding unsigned comment added by Midoahmad (talk • contribs) 16:06, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Kindly be advised that this page in the Arabic section is already exist and approved as per this link ar:محفوظ بن مرعي بن محفوظ. Kind regards, Ahmad — Preceding unsigned comment added by Midoahmad (talk • contribs) 00:56, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

• Repeating your message is more likely to antagonise me than get a quicker response. The presence of an article on another wiki is very little evidence of notability - standards on other wikis tend to be much lower than here. Kindly: learn about wikilinks, stop shouting and have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks the guy is notable and writes about him here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 08:46, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Nur Khan

Hello RHaworth,

I understand that the page I submitted for Draft:Nur Khan has been deleted due to Unambiguous copyright infringement of http://nurkhan.com/nur-khan/." Presently, I would like to recreate a page similar to this initial page and I was informed to contact you. I work for a company named Matte Finish who represents Nur Khan. I am in fact the copyright owner and creator of all the written content on the page you suspected to be where we copyrighted from (link: http://nurkhan.com/).

Nonetheless, how can I prove I am the copyright owner of this content? If not and better yet, I have created a similar page where I have edited the content from my own source which you believe to be unambiguous copyright infringement. Please let me know what to do as soon as you can. — Matte finish wiki (talk) 16:21, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

• Lets take another break from my mantra … I am not going to restore this. If you want it back, you may raise the matter at deletion review. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 08:46, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

A very possible sockpuppet

A very possible sockpuppet who keeps on replying to a AFD report. I just put one up on Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Cracy111 which the sockpuppets only think they have been replying to is this Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/ChnLove, wanted to show that as it seems very odd. Wgolf (talk) 18:53, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

• Seems to me like totally normal sock puppetry. We call it vote stuffing. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 08:46, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Its called politics, you know they just all vote often, sorry couldn't resist lol. But yep, it is crazy, there is no way a mail order bride site like that would have all of these people supporting it. Wgolf (talk) 18:20, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

American Rotation Billiards (pool)

You deleted my page as obviously invented - incorrect. I have no association with the invention or the creation of the game and/or the creator himself or any monetary interest. I play it. I put a lot of work into that today, while simultaneously learning Wiki Markup language. In reference to notability, the #1 Pool player in the World recently stated that it's the greatest pool game he has ever played. It was modified from Rotation (which has a page) a little more than two years ago, and has already increased exponentially in popularity. It even has a National Championship Series. Like I said, the best current players in the world love the game. When there's a sport you love, you'd like to create a Wiki Page - that's what I did. — (Eengner (talk) 21:16, 19 September 2014 (UTC))

• You fail my simple minded COI test - you have no contribs history. But I am in mellow mood and "made up" was definitely an invalid reason for delerion. I suggest you provide better, independent evidence of notability and re-submit via articles for creation. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:02, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the reconsideration, I would like my text back so I do not have to start over. I have provided a few notes below: As for my lack of pages and edits, I was unable to use my regular login - i'm guessing it might have timed out. I certainly know that it was registered with an email address from my previous job that I no longer have access to. I just created a new one user talk:eengner. Although I admit, I've never tried to create a page before - it was quite exciting, at least until the "process" ran over me. I really would appreciate my wiki markup back. — (Eengner (talk) 16:31, 20 September 2014 (UTC))

• Log in cookies last for 30 days but apart from that there is no time out mechanism. Text emailed. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:24, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Roger. I'll try that way. Maybe I can get a good thing going. — (Eengner (talk) 18:45, 20 September 2014 (UTC)).

How are you feeling about the page now? I've added a link to it that's inside rotation (pool) since it is a derivative of that original game. I've also added talk detail to the talk page to try to keep it from being deleted again. It looks like it's up for speedy deletion automatically. — (Eengner (talk) 19:59, 20 September 2014 (UTC))

• There is no such thing as automatic speedy deletion. But if you ignore the need for "significant coverage in multiple, reliable, independent secondary sources" then it may begin to feel like automatic to you. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:59, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Can you unprotect SHEL?

Can you unprotect SHEL? We've got an AfC draft Draft:SHEL I'd like to publish. Thanks! Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 23:23, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

• Come back when an experienced AfC reviewer has looked and decides it is fit to publish. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:02, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi RHaworth -- Sorry, I should have been more clear. I am an experienced AfC reviewer and the currently draft at Draft:SHEL looks ok to me, after a number of edits I made to the page yesterday. Do you spot some further problems I didn't? Thanks! Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 13:26, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

• Apologies. I have done the move for you and restored the previous so that you can see how little difference there is between the last version that I deleted and the draft that you started on. Was it getting tagged for superficialities such as shouted section headings? Needs categories. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:37, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

It had a number of problems, mainly promotional language and way out of MoS. But the subject is notable so there was something to work with. Thanks for your help! Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 21:33, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Thankyou

A big thankyou for tidying up blank categories after me, apologies for this; I suspect there is an automated way for me to tidy things up myself, feel free to educate me, but thankyou once again: the latest is Category:People from Arcadia, New York, created before I realised I had very little to populate it with! … GrahamHardy (talk) 06:50, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

• I believe there may be some semi-automatic way of doing bulk category deletions but I don't know it. But the best solution is to not create the categories in the first place. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:02, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Whaaat?

kve er vus cretza sim — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moleman100 (talk • contribs) 18:34, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Redirecting Ki Hong Lee to Ki-hong Lee

Hi, currently Ki Hong Lee is create-protected so it can't be redirected to Ki-hong Lee. Please consider unprotecting. Siuenti (talk) 08:39, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

• I saw a request for a move so I have done it. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:07, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

CINVU

Please Returns COMSTECH Inter Islamic Network on Virtual Universities. CINVU page should not be deleted for Unambiguous copyright infringement reason. Because "invu.ir" is the old name and address of cinvu.net. INVU.IR webpage now transfers to CINVU.NET webpage. This statement can be easily checked. Therefore there is no copyright violation. CINVU, takes the copyright violations very seriously. — Payam22 (talk) 17:28, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

• Your message is almost incomprehensible. How on earth can moving a web page to a different URL change the copyvio position? But the AfD discussion was created on grounds of notability not copyvio. If you really can show that the organisation is notable: study existing articles here on similar topics, write a new article in your own words and give it decent references. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:51, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi! I did not mean that moving a web page to a different URL changes the copyvio position? I only said that INVU is the same as CINVU. The name was changed according to the decision of board of directories. There are enough reasons for this statement at the invu.ir website. CINVU page went under speedy deletion because of copyvio not grounds of notability. I have already talked about notability of CINVU. Therefore, if you or anybody else has any doubt about CINVU copyvio, please let me know to fix it. Otherwise please reload the page. Thank you, Payam22 (talk) 12:37, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

• I certainly have no doubt about the copyvio. That is one reason why I am not going to restore. Have you read my sentence above beginning "if you really can"? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:54, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Article resubmission

Hi, Recently a page I submitted was deleted for copyright violation - draft:Percy Allan AM. I'm attempting to create the page again, obviously in a different form so it doesn't violate anything this time. When I went to create the page I was advised by the "creating draft" page to contact you first. Given that I'm altering the text sufficiently to avoid the infringement (I hope) is there anything I should be finding out from you?

Amusingly, the site where you found I'd taken text from has actually copied it from Percy Allan's own website without his permission. Percy submitted the text to me with a request to include it in the article. Am I correct in assuming that it would still be unacceptable on that basis?

While I have you, I'd like to check the validity of putting this page up in the first place. Percy is a reasonably notable public administration figure and has an Order of Australia for his services to public sector reform. He's been appointed to chair an enquiry into some corrupt dealings by the state government and as such he'd like to be able to refer people to Misplaced Pages to find out about his background rather than to his personal web page. Do you see that as a reasonable basis for creating an article about him?

I'd add that he has created the original article himself. He doesn't have the technical knowledge to be able to put it into Misplaced Pages so has asked me to do it on his behalf. I work with Percy and am doing that part of the job as a (paid) favour for him. Thanks, John McKee — Preceding unsigned comment added by John.A.McKee (talk • contribs) 05:21, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

• We deplore editors with COI and editors who are paid to have a COI even more so. And editors who cannot create links or sign their messages don't fare very well either. But I shall overlook all that.

The article was slightly off the mark as far as wiki style is concerned - how many other wikibios have you actually studied closely? Subject to that very important consideration, you can use stuff off his own website - simply arrange that every page on his website that you use carries a Creative Commons licence declaration compatible with the one that every wiki article carries. In the wiki article make it clear that you are using licensed material by means of: an edit summary, an HTML comment in the text and a note on the talk page. The title should be Percy Allan (economist) or similar - he is still Percy Allan after noon. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:51, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Deletion as vandalism

Hi: You deleted Styrmir mani as vandalism, so I'm guessing you didn't realize it was Icelandic (someone had miscorrected one word, and it lacked accents and capitalization). It had an insufficient claim of notability but I'm sorry for the new editor's sake you labeled it vandalism. I've given them a template referring them to is.wikipedia. Yngvadottir (talk) 13:17, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

• The vandalism label was applied by TEB728 (talk · contribs). Since, from one point of view, it was vandalism, I did not bother to change it when it was offered to me as the default deletion reason. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:47, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

La velocidad de la luz

Hi RHaworth, I removed the proposed deletion tag you placed on La velocidad de la luz, because the Spanish wikipedia has a very extensive article on it with numerous references. While my Spanish is poor, it seems to be a notable novel. Hope you don't mind! Lemnaminor (talk) 16:07, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

• Fine. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:47, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Scott Hanna

I am a grumpy old man as well! But did our page not have wiki links in the article itself to other Misplaced Pages links? Just wanted to verify that. Also it says something about copyright and using the link arts and fashion institute. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gjeon9372 (talk • contribs) 17:50, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

I am an old grumpy man, but we did add wiki links to the Scott Hanna page, and you still took it down regarding copyright issues. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.217.173.21 (talk) 19:30, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Do you (Gjeon9372) have a question for RHaworth? Because if you do, I am finding it hard to work out what the question may be. -- Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:32, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

• Who are the "we" on whose behalf you write? Please note that corporate accounts are strictly forbidden. Yes, the article contained wiki links - so what? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:47, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi!

Hi, RHaworth! How are you? And keep up the good work on Misplaced Pages! :) --Allen 22:10, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

CALABARZON

Can I ask why you moved CALABARZON to Calabarzon? The name is an acronym of sorts, being the combination of Cavite, Laguna, Batanga, Rizal, and Quezon. There is even a brief discussion of the all caps name on Talk:Calabarzon (dating back to 2005). WikiDan61_ReadMe!! 13:19, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

• Don't moan at me - act. I believe the system will permit you to move it back over the redirect. Also, I believe MIMAROPA needs a similar move. Only come back to me if you cannot do the moves. I did in fact move SOCCSKSARGEN back because someone moaned. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:33, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Robert Bell

Why did you delete the page about me (Robert Bell writer and editor)? I did not create the page, but made the mistake of correcting some errors in it myself. There are numerous pages in Misplaced Pages which refer to my work on surnames, Irish history, and Northern Irish politics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.62.119.92 (talk) 13:32, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

• Count yourself lucky I am condescending to talk to an IP address. Look at the log - the only thing I deleted was a redirect to a deleted page. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:33, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Jessica Priscillia

Check this article. See tag on its top.--Owais khursheed (talk) 13:39, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

• As with WikiDan61 above - don't moan - act. What was stopping you moving the article? Please reply. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:33, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Restore

Hello, you have deleted User:Dmatteng/Sandbox/1. Could you please take a look at my message on its talk page? — Dmatteng (talk) 19:21, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

• How long will we have to wait before you learn wikilinks? Please reply. OK, not so much a copyvio as a style vio. Too many quotes from reviewers. Needs more work before it becomes a wiki article. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:01, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. I'll reduce the number of quotes. It is still a draft and indeed it needs more work. Dmatteng (talk) 20:37, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Creation of Salted Article

In March 2008, you protection protected a page named Retna. Over the years, the artist has become more notable and has been the subject of discussion such as and probably a few more. A user has created this article in AFC and a user has accepted it and boldly moved it to RETNA. If you could move the page RETNA to Retna, that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks,  ΤheQ Editor  20:02, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

• Done. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:09, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Atmozfears

I had declined the speedy deletion of Atmozfears just before you deleted it. Their record label Scantraxx appears to be notable, which would qualify the band for inclusion under WP:BAND criterion #5. ~Amatulić (talk) 20:20, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

The article's discography is very ambiguous on face value. The entire discography consists of singles which do not count towards WP:BAND#C5. I have BLP prodded the article as it contains no reliable references (Discogs isn't reliable) and intend to AfD it should that tag be removed.--Launchballer 22:34, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

TeenAIDS-PeerCorps

I wish to recreate the TeenAIDS-PeerCorps Page but according to policy I should talk to administrator who deleted the page to avoid making the same errors. So could you please tell me why this page was deleted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jazz14 (talk • contribs) 23:40, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

• Too many faults. Feel free to try again. Your question must: provide a proper link to the deleted article, indicate that you have noted the reason given in the deletion log and be properly signed. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 00:13, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

It was TeenAIDS-PeerCorps which was deleted on 17 September, per G11. @Jazz14: - the rationale for deletion was broadly similar to the reasons given to you in Talk:John B. Chittick, only more severe. In general, the best answer to an article speedied by G11 is to gather good quality reliable sources from books, magazines and newspapers with a national distribution, and rewrite the article from scratch, making sure those sources are cited in the article. Ritchie333 15:07, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

RHaworth - request for reconsideration

Dear Sir, I write this letter to you kindly requesting your reconsideration for the Misplaced Pages entry for American Sleep Association. Previous entries submitted by others for this association have been deleted due to inaccurate information. I believe that this has caused all subsequent entries for American Sleep Association to be 'red flagged' and dismissed.

Complicating the issue is the fact that there is a domain squatter using a similar sounding domain name, using our good name and selling products for profit. We are currently dealing with this issue. I kindly request that you personally review the most recent entry for American Sleep Association. The information submitted under this entry is correct and represents the organization accurately. Thank you in advance for you reconsideration. Thank you for your service to Misplaced Pages. Respectfully, Dr. N.S. Kline — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nklin (talk • contribs)

• I was amused to see a talk page comment which seemed to suggest that adding this link to the page proved the association's notability. Kindly have the decency to wait until your association becomes notable. Then someone with no COI will undoubtedly write about it here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:54, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Cannot bear it

Dude, How Did You Even Find My Article To Begin With XD. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lostpolarbear (talk • contribs)

• Padraig, you did a good job driving the snakes out of Ireland. Please come back and drive this polar bear out of Misplaced Pages. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:54, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Deletion request

You forgot the talk page of User:Ww2censor/Galfridus Walpole that you deleted earlier. Perhaps you can do it at your convenience. ww2censor (talk) 00:02, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks ww2censor (talk) 09:18, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

• It would have been simpler to slap a {{db-u1}} tag on the talk page. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:54, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Zionist or Jewish

Hey RHaworth, sorry for bothering you. This is the discussion myself and the Arab?/Persian? user have had He puts forward a very strong argument for Zionism, but, due to his username and bias towards supporting Zionism over Jewish (remember- Arabs do not like the Jews).

I have accepted his resolve and when he does reply, I will give him the green light for undoing my reversions. I asked him for sources so it does not get disputed in the future. I would like to know your input on which sources would be reliable and/or the bias towards the term 'Zionism'. Cheers, Luxure (talk) 04:10, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

• May I introduce you to two very useful concepts? The wikilink and the fragment identifier. Using both, you could point me to the discussion instead of reproducing it here. Fact is, I only have a vague idea what Zionism is and I have absolutely no interest in your discussion. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:54, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

I have a vague idea as well, and I was just passing it by you - i could not be bothered linking it i just wanted to give it straight to you on a plate - there's no need to be insulting. — Luxure (talk) 10:01, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

• Total inversion of logick - using a link is giving it straight to me on a plate. If you copy and paste there is always a suspicion in the reader's mind that you have changed the wording to suit your thesis. You really are too sensitive: you implied (on your talk page) that I was biting a newbie but have not given details. You now accuse me of being insulting - give details. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:22, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Possibly sock pupperty going on with IP's

So on a page I AFD Savvy Gupta the main contributor shares the same name (which I put a afd up for a article he created as well) now a bunch of ips keep on updating it-I would do a SPA report but dang there are a lot! Might want to look into this! Wgolf (talk) 17:12, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

• Semi-protected. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:34, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, the page the guy created btw is this Mohammad Shoaib Khan. Wgolf (talk) 17:40, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

International Horizons College

Dear RHaworth, I have been trying to upload a page for Template:Internationalhorizonscollege and it keeps getting tagged for speedy deletion. Can you please let me know what I am doing wrong so I can get it fixed and published. Thanks, Arsalan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arsalan.yunus (talk • contribs) 19:32, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

• What you are doing wrong is trying to upload a page for the International Horizons College. Kindly have the decency to wait until the college becomes notable. Then someone with no COI will undoubtedly write about it here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:55, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

TIF (Maine)

Hey man, You deleted my wiki while I was in the process of making it. Of course it didn't have any useful content on the page, I just made it less than 20 minutes ago. I assure you that the content I will be posting is relevant to those in the Planning community. I am going to remake the page now. Here is a link to that page: TIF (Maine) - mike — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael.havlin (talk • contribs) 22:28, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

• Before you do any more edits, learn wikilinks. Create your draft in user:Michael.havlin/sandbox or similar. When it is ready, the title should be tax increment financing (Maine). — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:45, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Hey man, I am learning, can you stop messing with my stuff so I can figure out how to do this properly? - mike — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael.havlin (talk • contribs) 23:05, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Hey man, The page on Tax Increment Financing (Maine) is ready now. Can you please publish it? Here is a link for it (I think): User:Michael.havlin/sandbox. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael.havlin (talk • contribs) 23:34, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

• Please learn wikilinks. I have done a couple of necessary moves and it is now at draft:Tax increment financing (Maine). If nothing else you must de-duplicate the references - I have done some to show you how. I do not get involved with reviewing drafts so just be patient for a possible final move to (article) space. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 08:53, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Freedom Meta-Index speedy

Hi there, Freedom Meta-Index had two closely related articles Drug Freedom Index and Gun Rights Index which were *declined* for speedy right around the time you speedied the main article. Do I have to go through the AfD rigamarole? They're even less notable than the one you approved for speedy. TiC 12:38, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

• Sorry, you do need to go to AfD. Your speedy tags were removed by a well-established editor and I am not going to disagree with them. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:46, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Terry Ananny

This has somehow become un-salted since you last protected it in 2009. See Misplaced Pages:Long-term abuse/Ananny for the history of this subject. Thanks. --| Uncle Milty | talk | 16:48, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

• It is a weakness of the system that when an admin moves an article to a protected title, they get no warning. In this case the article was re-created at t m annay and then Dennis Brown (talk · contribs) moved it, thereby removing the protection. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:24, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Ah, I didn't even think about checking the target, I just assumed good faith and made the move without being requested, although it does appear they may have been trying to bypass the protection. I was thinking more as an editor than admin there. After it was moved, I saw the laundry list of deletes, but it was already tagged by then. That isn't a situation I run across very often when making a move of my own accord, but will look more closely next time. Dennis 17:39, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

This one page Zeeshan Yousuf

Okay so I put a non significant csd on Zeeshan Yousuf as it looked like a resume, but now the person who made it said it was something else, not sure what to say now. Maybe a AFD tag or something. But yeah might want to look into it. Wgolf (talk) 17:47, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

• I looked, deleted and salted. — RHaworth (talk · contribs)

Abuja Declaration

Why was the new version of deleted instead of restoring the original version. Hello RHaworth, The version of Abuja Declaration (1989) before the one you deleted contained the accurate Abuja Declaration but was edited after people found the important information in it. The edit was made to hide the original info of the Declaration. I would appreciate it if you could: .1 Even though the current version is not accurate, please clarify why you deleted the current version. I see copyright infringement as the reason for deletion but I believe the external site you quoted copied the article from Misplaced Pages and not vice-versa. .2 I would appreciate if the version before the deleted one is restored. Thanks Aijosh (talk) 20:01, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

• At last! On the fourth time of trying, I get a very well worded and properly signed request. (OK, you did not get the link quite right - but you tried.) Now that you have gone to that trouble, I feel guilty that I don't feel willing to help you further. But the next step, I fear is for an admin to go through 43 deleted edits stretching back four years to see which are copyvios. Do please, raise the matter at deletion review. Also at WikiProject Africa or one of its sub-departments. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:17, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

The irony of deleting the The Warm Fuzzy Tale

I am a clinical psychologist. I created The Warm Fuzzy Tale. You put it up for deleting. The Warm Fuzzy Tale edit history here is a children story about people who attract either warm fuzzies - good emotions - or bad emotions.

Clearly you attract bad emotions, not "warm fuzzies" Your website and pictures gives good indication of why. You believe that you are worth more than you really are. Clearly from your photos, posing in front of grand paintings, atop high peaks like a warrior from some fairy tale, you have grand dreams of grandeur. But yet this grandeur never came about. And never will. You are rather unattractive, so you were probably picked on in school. You then found solace in computers. You never have accomplished much, so you take your frustration and rage at your position in life with passive aggressive attacks on those who are weaker than you - newbies. In otherwords, you are an insecure bully. Misplaced Pages company culture fosters tin pot dictators like you, because Jimmy Wales is the same way. He has an inferiority complex - and he lashes out at others. Any other organization would never put a passive aggressive bully such as yourself in leadership.

Delete the article. That is pretty much the worst you can do. I don't care. Long after I have walked away, my searing words will be remembered long after I forgotten "The Warm Fuzzy Tale". The pathetic thing is, in 2019 I will come back, and you will still be passive aggressively bullying editors, because your worthless real life will be just as pathetic. Thewhitebox (talk) 21:00, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

• Noted. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:17, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

• The editor above seems to be claiming to be this person; "Claude Steiner (born 6 January 1935) is a psychotherapist who has written extensively about transactional analysis (TA). His writings have focused especially on life scripts, alcoholism, emotional literacy, and interpersonal power plays. Steiner was born in Paris, France. His parents were Austrian, his mother Jewish and his father Christian. The family left France in 1939 ahead of the impending Nazi invasion. Eventually the family settled in Mexico." --Demiurge1000 (talk) 01:09, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

An odd case whjen I put up a AFD

I just did one here: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Maat Morrison and it got formatted odd for some reason. Wgolf (talk) 22:14, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

A article that has been around since 2010 that I don't know what to say!

Rahim Mombeini, found him under shortest bios. First off some clean up for sure (born in 1334 and NOBODY has noticed all these years???), he does sound notable though so I don't know what tags to use. Wgolf (talk) 23:50, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

The source provided in that article does not actually mention Mombeini. I have A7d it because it does not offer a satisfactory claim to significance.--Launchballer 08:29, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

New content, old page

I didn't know that it was a discussion, if so; the artist is now signed to a major label, which where the artist (subject) now meets WP:MUSICBIO. What can we do to take this article back? --Mjnichols (talk) 00:46, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Simply being signed to a major label is not enough to meet WP:MUSICBIO. To meet it, Morrison must have released two or more albums under that label.--Launchballer 08:25, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Check

check out this user User :Ravi kumar sah-sonar. He has made 2 articles of same name with little content in them. What to do with these articles. Owais khursheed (talk) 04:40, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Good Humor
	I especially liked User talk:RHaworth#Cannot bear it. Mythological references are always a good way of dealing with errant ursines. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 12:03, 28 September 2014 (UTC)