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Sure! —Khoikhoi 04:49, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

what is your email?neurobio 15:45, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I hadn't noticed that comment, apparently Deepblue already told someone, but promise me that if someone insults you that you won't just insult back, and rather tell someone. —Khoikhoi 05:31, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

see your email. neurobio 23:34, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

dont worry just mail me another time. see youneurobio 11:23, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

you got mailneurobio 00:16, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

we have to get rid of this total fabrication "Even though nearly all the camps, including all the major ones, were open air, the rest of the mass killings in other minor camps, was not limited to direct killings; but also to mass burning, poisoning and drowning."neurobio 11:48, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

se my mail. ??? neurobio 19:13, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

from now on I will report every incivility. please watch your language ok. we will be also watched. I will play their game by its rules!neurobio 13:01, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

we should stick to that photo i added or fadix will come up with a terrible one.neurobio 21:16, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

i still dont know how to do a full revert. how is it done. and can you also handle this historian names too. this way if some other people do a rv the picture will be saved for now.neurobio 21:26, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

have you seen that User:Fadix/evidencepage/Holdwater. I have never seen such an obsesed person in my life. funny thing is he still thinks Deep and Holdwater are the same person. I am having so much fun reading these and he is so sure. poor guy :) strange that he always makes jokes about being schizo. well i know he is going to be correct one day just claim every one is Holdwater and one day bingo you got him.neurobio 00:11, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Pamuk

Hi Lutherian, you are correct—however, he also clearly states in the interview that these were his views, and he didn't just throw something out there, when he said "Thirty thousand Kurds and a million Armenians were killed in these lands and nobody but me dares to talk about it", he meant it. Do you mind if I add that in the article?

Also, while we're add it, I recall you said to THOTH awhile ago that "your alleged genocide which is nothing more than the collective bitterness from a failed attempt to carve out eastern Anatolia for Armenia". You must understand, Lutherian, that this is a just a minority view. Let me point you to this New York Times article. And I quote:

Armenian lobbyists want foreign governments to declare that what happened in 1915 was genocide. Some Armenian nationalists say that if Turkey can be forced to concede this, their next step might be to claim reparations or demand the return of land once owned by Armenians.

It's not the view held by most Armenians (interesting article, btw). —Khoikhoi 00:29, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I see what you're saying. As for the "carving" bit, I still think it's sort of like the Grey Wolves—there are extremists from all sides. BTW, what do you think about all the personal accounts by people who said they witnessed a genocide? —Khoikhoi 20:14, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Interesting points, thanks. As for your question, are you contrasting this to the fact that the Armenians rebelled against the Ottoman Empire? This is something I never quite understood. If a revolution takes place, think there is a justification to eliminate the civilian population? (whether that's what happened or not) But what about the Armenian witnesses? Of course their accounts are going to be biased, but do you think they just completely made things up? —Khoikhoi 03:35, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, ermenisorunu website is included among the links. Best, 24.211.192.250 15:24, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Civility

Regarding comments such as this: Please stay on topic during discussions, and do NOT belittle other users in such a fashion. --InShaneee 18:50, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Alright, no worries. Just letting you know to be careful, especially on the talk pages of such touchy topics. --InShaneee 23:23, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

edit on AG

Angus's wording makes opposition more credible. You don't need to list every single person. Saying "a number of prominent scholars" is stronger than saying "a number of scholars, some of them prominent". When you say some of them prominent, it means the other are not. I hope this post convince you. I'm going to revert your edit, but if you choose to revert again, I'll not continue.

I understand but the number of scholars listed after some point is not very important, how they are presented is more important. This is not an exhaustive list (there are many other scholars that could have been included as well) and but your edit (at least to me) gives that impression as it gives a list which has some but not all prominent scholars. Anyway, I'm not going to further revert if you feel strongly about your point. On a seperate note, I think the scholars that Angus removed are also very prominent but I did not want to fight another war. 24.211.192.250 20:57, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

I have no problem with including as many names as are wanted, so long as the context is ok and it doesn't devolve into a long and complicated essay in an already long article. However, I would say that an excessively long list looks like name-checking rather than anything else. The names which I left are at least a coherent group, historians and writers on the Ottoman Empire and related topics (in the case of Lewis). Murphy and Lewy are not really important to the argument and Lewy is such a controversialist, witness his work on the Vietnam War, that including him weakens the case as much as strengthening it. As for Hurewitz, I'm open to persuasion that he should be included on the same basis as Lewis, as an expert in a closely related field to Ottoman history. But I had difficulty finding a decent bibliography of his work, so I'm not sure how reasonable this is. Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:39, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

I find that some of the bodies listed in the international recognition of Armenian genocide are not true (league for human rights, and the UN sub-commission). I changed them. I know that they will be reverted, but this is something that needs to be corrected. 24.211.192.250 03:43, 5 July 2006 (UTC)