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Happy Montanabw's Day!

User:Montanabw has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian, and therefore, I've officially declared today as Montanabw's day! For being such a beautiful person and great Wikipedian, enjoy being the Star of the day, dear Montanabw! Peace, Rlevse 01:39, 13 January 2010 (UTC) A record of your Day will always be kept here.

For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, see User:Rlevse/Today/Happy Me Day! and my own userpage for a sample of how to use it. — Rlevse • Talk • 01:39, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Awww, gee! That was really super nice! Thank you! Montanabw 04:47, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

'tis the season

Louisa Venable Kyle wrote a children's book on The Witch of Pungo --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:50, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Precious translates to the PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:03, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Equus

Hello, would you be interested in working on Equus for GA? LittleJerry (talk) 19:38, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

I'd be glad to collaborate, I'm not a taxonomy expert, you may also want to ping @Justlettersandnumbers: as he is someone who works on a lot of the articles about non-horse equines. Maybe figure out who is active on the zebra articles and ping them too. Montanabw 19:44, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

The hardest for me with be taxonomy/evolution. I've heard conflicting reports on whether zebras are monophyletic for example. LittleJerry (talk) 20:31, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

I'd say that Equus needs to be an overview, and the debates can go to the individual animal articles. Montanabw 20:58, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

I guess we could take some text from here. LittleJerry (talk) 21:49, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Let's invite them too... maybe post a message at talk of that article. Montanabw 03:30, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

I found this. I'm having trouble figuring out the when the dates for the divergences of horse, zebra and ass lineages. LittleJerry (talk) 22:46, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm not much help there. Maybe post at Evolution of the horse and perhaps the individual talk pages of some of the more active editors. We need someone who know palentology, I think. Montanabw 04:24, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Nevermind, I think I can handle it. Should I keep the list of all the extinct and extant species? I was think of instead having a cladogram. LittleJerry (talk) 22:54, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

@LittleJerry: What's a cladogram? I'd say so long as there is a "one stop shop" for all of them in some form, I'm not picky on what form, but keep some single collection of everything, somehow. There is also a navbox you might want to look at, see Template:Equidae_extinct_nav, and Template:Equus, which probably should be merged and definitely need some work. Montanabw 01:03, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

For a cladogram, see quagga and look at the evolution subsection. LittleJerry (talk) 01:18, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Would you be able to look through the "biology" section so it reflects domestic and feral horses as well (e.g. mane and color in "Physical characteristics") and perhaps some on the conservation issues regarding feral populations? LittleJerry (talk) 21:59, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Will take a look, Thanks for the ping. Montanabw 01:49, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Could you help with the other tasks? LittleJerry (talk) 20:27, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Conservation stuff? Which section do you want to pop that in? Montanabw 20:57, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

There's a conservation subsection in Human Relations. LittleJerry (talk) 23:22, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Could you also fix the dead link? LittleJerry (talk) 00:36, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

for the "Primitive markings" source? LittleJerry (talk) 02:21, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello? LittleJerry (talk) 23:34, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Answered at the GAN talk. Also, tag anything you want me to eyeball either with an appropriate inline template or hidden text, will be easier for me to find. More later, I'll probably give this a couple hours this evening (local time) Montanabw 23:43, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Pesky

My apologies for not spotting your response to my query about Pesky on Eric's talk page earlier. Please would you pass on my best wishes to her if/when you next meet up on Facebook or wherever. She has had a rough time lately. I'm sure I'm not the only one who misses her here but, more importantly, I think that she needs to know that people care. I do. . - Sitush (talk) 01:09, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

No worries, I'll let her know. Montanabw 01:57, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Please include me, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:31, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

And me too, please. Thinking about her. She is missed. (Littleolive oil (talk) 18:19, 11 August 2014 (UTC))

hope pictured --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:36, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Would you mind passing on my warm regards and best wishes? --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 11:47, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Please give Pesky my love as well. Bishonen | talk 12:22, 4 September 2014 (UTC).

California Chrome

Thanks for the heads up. Read the latest product. It is better to focus on the horse. The Coburn's have obviously been filling in the blanks while the camera's are focused on them. They are precariously straddling the line between hyping their story and crossing over into the pool where untruths muddy the waters.

I suspect that much of it is already known to the media who are just waiting to film Coburn pass out with bourbon in hand. For instance, the Martin's never complained about their treatment at the Kentucky Derby. Don't know what was wrong with the Coburn's and why they generated such a story...except to keep focus on themselves. Churchill does have a long way to go in terms of physically challenged patrons and the use of volunteers but they have appeared to be trying to do the right thing. Then there is the issue of Coburn not wanting to sell his share of CC for six million for 51%. How could sell 51% when he owns 30%? I suspect that this is the major problem when citing interviews as sources followed by not checking the facts. It takes a lot of time and several different journalists to get at the truth after a poorly written article is based on skewed interviews. It seems to me that a lot of interesting things will come tumbling out in the future...if anyone will be interested at that time.

Loved your work and will try to follow your future projects.------greensodagal (talk) 04:57, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I have to get two more people to approve the FAC (featured article candidate) before it gets its little gold star. Should be soon! Montanabw 05:03, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

You're not going to like this, but...

... they get everywhere... --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:40, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh dear! LOL! Whatever shall we do? (wrings hands, looks distressed, trots off to the snarkives... ) heh, heh, heh! Montanabw 23:09, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Writer's Barnstar
	Thanks for your work on California Chrome, and congratulations on getting it through FAC. I am sorry I never made it back for another round of comments, but it looks like I wasn't needed. Keep up the great work, and God bless! Go Phightins! 21:52, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Well done!! Surprised I didn't hear about it this personally though! Did I piss you off with my review :-)♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:24, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh heavens, no! It was great! I just forgot to give you Carrots for your pony! My bad! Montanabw 18:11, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Your reversion of my edit on Yunnan horse

(diff) What was up with it? I've been squinting at my edit, but I'm still quite sure that I improved the grammar... ∴ ZX95 18:03, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

You wrote "...is an extinct breed horse" and you thought it was an improvement? A) it's not a "breed," it's a species (or maybe a subspecies, depending on what the taxonomy sorts are saying this week); B) It is extinct, and we use the past tense as it goes to the subject, not the modifier, e.g. "was a (x) horse" not "is extinct." C) Even if it was an extant breed, were we to keep your sentence, we would need to add "of." Montanabw 18:12, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Okay, just making sure it wasn't a slip of the mouse or something. I can live with it either way :) Cheers, ∴ ZX95 13:54, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

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Varian brothers

Hello Montanabw,

Ansel Adams devoted three paragraphs to the Varians in his 1985 autobiography. The anecdote is on pages 140-141 of my paperback copy. Adams described an assignment from Life magazine to photograph "mad scientists". He describes the humorous aftermath, with people writing letters to the editor and to the Varians, trying to figure out what the experimental gear in the photos was. This may well be the photo session that is the source of the photos in your Misplaced Pages article. Cullen Let's discuss it 03:29, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

In 1963, Adams issued his fourth portfolio of photos, which was in memory of Russell Varian. Given that he had been a published photographer for over 40 years at this time, and this was only #4, you can see that a "portfolio" was a major artistic statement for him. He clearly valued his relationship with Russell greatly, and grieved his death. Original editions have sold for $53,775, per Christies Auction House. Cullen Let's discuss it 03:44, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Russell's wife Dorothy is mentioned twice in another book I own, "The History of the Sierra Club, 1892-1970", by Michael P. Cohen. She was a close associate of Dorothy Leonard, wife of Richard M. Leonard, whose biography I wrote. Richard was the attorney who organized Varian Associates, and was a director from the start. The two Dorothys worked together in a group called "Conservation Associates", which I gather was an independent group of wealthy folks closely associated with the Sierra Club, who wanted to act without submitting themselves to the discipline of a large, bureaucratic group like the club, and who favored cooperation rather than confrontation with industrialists like Pacific Gas & Electric. They bought up land that later became Point Reyes National Seashore, and also at Nipomo Dunes, near the planned site of the Diablo Canyon nuclear power plant. I believe that they were part of the "right" faction that ousted David Brower from Sierra Club leadership, and that Ansel Adams was also a key member of this faction. Cullen Let's discuss it 04:04, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Back in those days, the Sierra Club was a smaller and more intense and ingrown group, very influential, and the leading figures, many associated with UC Berkeley and Stanford University, were close social friends for decades, and tied in closely with leading academic, business and artistic circles in the San Francisco Bay Area. An article I wrote, Cedric Wright gives a glimpse into this social scene. Cullen Let's discuss it 04:15, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

@Cullen328: OMG! Your info would be a gold mine. Please (pretty please with lots of maple sugar on top!) feel free to trot over there (Russell and Sigurd Varian) and add anything to the article that you can source to any of your hardcopy books or other resources! I would really enjoy taking that article to GA or farther, and it works best when there is a collaborator (two heads are better than one!) Having just finished the FAC for Cal Chrome (see above) and finishing up the PR and polishing for my next FAC (Bazy Tankersley), I'm casting about for the next article to pop into the queue. I found working on those fellows to be absolutely fascinating - the dovetailing of radar and tech during WWII, combined with the birth of Silicon Valley coupled with a conservation ethic and a whiff of socialist idealism was an incredible mix. Amazing. FWIW, I got there after writing the BLP Sheila Varian - about their niece, whose horse ranch was, basically, bankrolled by "Aunt Dorothy" - then writing John Osborne Varian - about Russell and Sigurd's father. Positively amazing family. Montanabw 18:19, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Selle Français

Hi, could you take a look at my note on your nomination? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 09:52, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

I didn't nominate it, but I will check it. Montanabw 18:23, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Selle Français

On 19 August 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Selle Français, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the Selle Français is a French sport horse, recognized internationally as a top breed for show jumping and three-day eventing? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Selle Français. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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August 2014

Thank you for your contributions to Misplaced Pages. Regarding your edits to California Chrome, it is recommended that you use the preview button before you save; this helps you find any errors you have made, reduces edit conflicts, and prevents clogging up recent changes and the page history. Tough choice: this template or a trout. – S. Rich (talk) 03:55, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh for crying out loud, I just took the thing to FAC, didn't anyone tell you not to template the regulars? Montanabw 04:00, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Plip!

– S. Rich (talk) 04:14, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Ok, minnow. And back atcha Montanabw 04:15, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Ha ha ha ha. Hysterical. Yeah, Montana, please be more careful in the future in taking articles to FAC. Thank you for your attention to this matter.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:17, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

The Shaggy Pony Award

	The Shaggy Pony Award
	For the great research, great editing, and great fostering of the Featured Article on Soring—which must have left you pooped, isolated, and with no time for grooming...just like a pony in winter! - Tim1965 (talk) 02:11, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! Montanabw 03:03, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Yeah I reverted it before

Its fine now. Until tomorrow, when they do it again. They do it everyday at the same time, in the same order. VictoriaGrayson (talk) 07:09, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

First thing off at work? Or during breakfast? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 07:16, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Like now. They are removing academic info.VictoriaGrayson (talk) 17:37, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Dorje Shugden controversy

Thanks for your thanks! The note I've inserted may be discutable, but the rest is careful copy-editing. And I'd already corretced the level of some subheaders two times; Vic reverted, without taking a proper look, and then you reverted too... Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 07:15, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Somewhere in there another edit had deleted some of your stuff. Looks like it's the "clean" version now. Montanabw 07:21, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Montanabw - what is it you prefer about the version you are reverting to over the version CFynn suggested that was supported by others, including myself? Audrey37 (talk) 21:30, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

The two should be blended. The version in there is awkwardly written, the proposed version is smoother but whitewashes legitimate controversy. Now please take this back to the article talk page. Montanabw 22:32, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Congrats

On getting Horse Protection Act of 1970 on to the front page. As soon as I saw it I thought "I bet that's Montanabw's article". Bayern (horse) will definitely be due for an article if he overcomes Wicked Strong and Tonalist in the Travers. Tigerboy1966  12:37, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

I've already got my popcorn ready and a spot in front of the TV for that one! Montanabw 18:35, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Notice of Neutral point of view noticeboard discussion

Hello, Montanabw. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.VictoriaGrayson (talk) 00:13, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Equus (genus)

Nice one! LOL just don't google image "Asian ass" or "Indian wild ass" without a filter though, it might turn up something which might be better suited to Bomis :-)♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:29, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

My humour is wasted on wikipedians!♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:44, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh, I get it, I was just offline for a bit... here I shall add a photo of a nice young lady donkey that exemplifies the hazards of which you speak! LOL! Montanabw 20:27, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

LOL!♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:45, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

A few weeks of relief

Well we have a few weeks protection for the horse worship article. Fall is already in the air here so I hope that you haven't had snow already :-) Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 05:05, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

What is up with the Brony thing there, anyway? Sheesh! Montanabw 05:07, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Sadly it seems to be connected to this this obsession. Now I myself have been obsessed with Doctor Who for over 30 years but that doesn't compel me to add a link to it on unrelated articles. At least not yet. HeeHee. MarnetteD|Talk 20:07, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Riding hall

Thank you for your amendments to riding hall. I appreciate your improvements. However, on the way you have made assumptions about UK English which are not quite true - the "arena" is the space inside the hall for the horses, not a US vs. UK term. And so far from "internationalizing" the article you have "Americanized" it with terms like bleachers and bathrooms. The article needs to be consistent and I agree international English is useful. There is also an article on sandwich panel. And draught netting is a translation of Windschutznetze - wind protection nets from the German Wiki article. Hope that helps. --Bermicourt (talk) 07:39, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

No, the term "riding hall" is never used in the USA (at least not to the best of my knowledge) We call these buildings "arenas" - meaning the whole structure, not just the riding ring. The sandwich panel article is so poorly written that I am not entirely sure what they are actually talking about... the panels or the structure holding them up? And I also have no clue what you mean by "wind protection nets"? Screens? Skylights? We are again separated by a common language... ! Montanabw 05:58, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Skylight is the standard BE term for a window in a flat or sloping roof designed to let light into a room or attic. See them clearly in this in the image at File:Ujeżdżalnia wewnątrz.jpg. Bleacher is a strictly AE term only, very little known or understood in BE (if I hadn't written and published one of the few AE-BE dictionaries, I wouldn't have known what it referred to); nearest BE term would be stadium seating or spectator stands. 'Bathroom' (and for that matter also rest room) of course is completely wrong for international English. It's the AE euphemism for what all other English speaking countries know as a 'toilet'. Sandwich panel describes accurately what it is but the article needs some attention to decide whether it is supposed to be written in AE or BE (aluminium vs aluminum). --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:38, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

I know what a skylight is, that word is used both places. I don't think the walls of riding arenas/halls are made of sandwich panels... they are usually just steel siding. Its the "draught netting"/"wind protection screen" thing that is tripping things up now. Trot on over to the article (or piaffe if you wish) and help. Montanabw 13:51, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

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Great fun meeting you at last!

	The Prairie Flowers Award
	Great fun meeting you at last! Perhaps you'd like to polish up Emily E. Sloan, created just for you ... Monumenteer2014camper (talk) 17:26, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Ansel Adams on Russell Varian

Hello Montanabw,

I have not forgotten your request regarding the Varians. One week ago, Napa and Vallejo, the cities where I spend most of my time, were hit by a 6.0 earthquake. It has been a sad situation filled also with inspiration. Today, my wife, son and I visited damaged historic buildings, and I photographed them for Wikimedia Commons. We stopped by an antique shop we've visited many times before, and they said 80% of their fragile items were destroyed. But not books. I found this, which I hope you can excerpt and use in some way:

WHAT MAJESTIC WORD

In memory of Russell Varian

BY

ANSEL ADAMS

PORTFOLIO FOUR

SIERRA CLUB * SAN FRANCISCO

1963

"The production of a Portfolio of creative photographs of the natural scene seemed from the start to be an appropriate expression of tribute and affecton for Russell Varian. The fact that original prints were considered gave a more intense validity to the project than would obtain from reproductions in a book, no matter how fine they might be. In addition, the excerpts from his writings, and the poetry of his father, John O. Varian, accentuate the highly personal character of this presentation.

In selecting from a considerable number of appropriate images the particular and inevitable photographs for inclusion in the Portfolio I was constantly aware of a man of great intellect and mystical perceptions. To him nature was a fundamental spiritual reality. He was not a place-gatherer, or a mountain-winner, or did he in any way approach the world as prey for egotistical conquest. His Irish forebears, his poet father, his exposure to the subtle beauty of dunes and forests as a youth, and his life-long love affair with the rocks, trees, clouds, lights and storms comprising the vast Divine Performance in which we live, accumulated in him a grandeur of spirit and a magnificence of mind and heart unique in our time.

Hence, every photograph in this Portfolio is related in some direct or indirect way to the places, things and moods Russell Varian loved. In some, the essences of light and space dominate; in others the substance of rock and wood, and the luminous insistence of growing things. Shapes of nature, transformed into what the artist calls forms by the controlled eye and the perceptive spirit, are presented here as the equivalents of experience. Obviously such equivalents could never be inclusive as the experiences are practically infinite. It is my intention to present -- through the medium of photography -- intuitive observations of the natural world which may have meaning to the spectators, just as they might have had meaning to him. And through them I hope that some of the quality, sensitivity and heart of Russell Varian may be revealed -- at least suggested to a world in need of the vast and patient benedictions of nature and the benefactions of noble men."

Carmel, California

October 1, 1963

Ansel Adams

• Oh wow! That's terrific stuff! Thanks! Montanabw 19:16, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

1. Adams, Ansel; introduction by Szarkowski, John (1981), "WHAT MAJESTIC WORD", THE PORTFOLIOS OF ANSEL ADAMS, Boston: Little, Brown and Company, ISBN 0821211226 {{citation}}: Cite has empty unknown parameters: |chapterurl= and |month= (help)

Intermezzo in D minor (Bruckner)

Dear Montanabw,

Thank you for the transfer of the data I had put in Intermezzo (Bruckner) before Nikkimaria blanked it to make a redirecting page. Thereafter she deleted some of the transferred data including the infobox.

Nikkimaria did also the same previously in Rondo in C minor (Bruckner). You had then restored the infobox, which she afterwards deleted again.

I do not understand why she deletes the infoboxes, as well as some of my other edits, which are all substantiated by reliable references (she also deletes), and which are in accordance with other pages I have created or updated concerning Anton Bruckner's compositions.

Please arbitrate, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 08:22, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm not an admin, but you can try taking this to WP:3O. Nikki just seems to dislike infoboxes. Don't know why. Montanabw 08:28, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Some editors love inboxes. Other editors hate them. I take the NPOV. Why would anyone waste one single second arguing about infoboxes, either in favor or against? The debate isn't worth ten seconds to think about it, or the electrons required to comment. Cullen Let's discuss it 08:43, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes, why. When an editor inserts an infobox or two in "his" article", why would anyone remove it, go and write a separate article on part of the topic, almost as only to have an infobox-free article? Why? Why? What Montanabw said below. Other than such things, I didn't observe any debate recently, did you? Instead I see with pleasure that operas now come with infoboxes which show off the piece instead the composer and his other works, see Carmen and Louise, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:20, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

I think That the infobox is interesting in the case of Bruckner's compositions, because a lot of them either exist in several versions and editions, or were not published / performed during the composer's life, even were published / performed first at the end of the 20th century, i.e., about 100 year after the composer's death. Examples: Psalm 146 (Bruckner), String Quartet (Bruckner). --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 15:52, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Well, here we have the article creator inserting an infobox from the outset, then another editor coming in and removing it, along with some sourced material. NM is kind of known for doing this, and this user here is not one of the "usual suspects." Montanabw 09:18, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for putting again the infobox of Rondo in C minor (Bruckner). I do not want to dispute. Some references that Nikkimaria uses as, e.g., those from AllMusic she found on Internet are perhaps less opportune than some of my references as e.g. that to the anthology of C. van Zwoll (that she removed), a book of 782 pages on Anton Bruckner and his work. Van Zwol devoted 20 years of his life to the composer and was regularly in touch with scholars as Leopold Nowak (editor of many Bruckner's works). --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 11:35, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Say so at the talk page of the article, Meneerke. Discussion never hurts. Doesn't always help, but so long as everyone stays civil, it is useful/ Montanabw 18:23, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. I will do so. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 19:10, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Intermezzo in D minor (Bruckner)

Dear Montanabw,

Thank you for your support. On Talk:Intermezzo in D minor (Bruckner), you can see that I have put a similar argumentation as that I have put on Talk:Rondo in C minor (Bruckner). Is it OK for you?

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 11:52, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

For your info: Hans Roelofs, who is responsible for the discography of Bruckner's non-orchestral works, has in the meantime had an independent look on the pages String Quartet (Bruckner), Rondo in C minor (Bruckner), String Quintet (Bruckner) and Intermezzo in D minor (Bruckner). He thereafter e-mailed the following reaction to me: "Wanneer iemand zoals jij, die je sporen al bij Misplaced Pages heeft verdiend, dan een lemma schrijft over een onderwerp dat relevant is en binnen het Misplaced Pages-Bruckner-concept past, heeft dan iemand anders het recht dat tegen te houden? Wordt die betreffende user door de redactie gewaarschuwd?" (Translation: "When someone like you, who has already won his spurs by Misplaced Pages, writes a lemma which is relevant and suits the Misplaced Pages-Bruckner-concept, has someone else the right to hold it? Has the concerned user got a warning from the Misplaced Pages redaction?"). --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 13:31, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Put it on the talk page of the article. I don't have a lot of classical music "stalkers" on my page, and you need some more support than just me. Montanabw 20:42, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Put it on the project talk, with links to the articles involved. (The link to the project is on my user page, although I left it, look for Workshop.) The newly created article will have even fewer watchers than this page ;) - Of course, there is no Misplaced Pages redaction, so no warning from it. There were other warnings, though, which I still hope I will not have to repeat, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:07, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Gerda, give Meneerke the link to the right page, I think he's kind of new. Montanabw 21:13, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Classical music, but what do you mean, "new"? THE precious Bruckner expert here for years, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:20, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Heh, new to me! Montanabw 21:23, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Dear Montanabw and Gerda,

Thank you for your support. As you have proposed, I have put a message on Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Classical music#Please arbitrate. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 09:32, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

As suggested by Francis Schonken I have put a Requests for mediation: Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation/Rondo in C minor (Bruckner) and Intermezzo in D minor (Bruckner)‎. Is this the right decision? You do not think so... You propose to get the advice of editors with a classical music background, but I do not think that there are many Misplaced Pages-specialists of Anton Bruckner. There is one for sure: Artiumbremen alias Benjamin-Gunnar Cohrs. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 19:54, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

PS: When the WikiProject Classical music decided to set up the List of compositions by Anton Bruckner I was asked to participate as Bruckner-specialist. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 20:28, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Given who your "opposing party" is, you may be right. Montanabw 22:11, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Nikkimaria is obviously following preconceived assumptions, from which she blinkered does not want to deviate. She can so not accept that advices of other people, which do not fit her stiff-necked, preconceived assumptions, may be worthy to be taken into account. See the recent dialog of the deaf about "notability" concerning the discography in Talk:Intermezzo in D minor (Bruckner). NB: I guess that I am not the first contributor, whom she is "thwarting" because of a similar conflicting situation. What do you suggest to unblock the current situation? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 13:22, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Bruckner mediation

Meneerke bloem suggested I invite you to paricipate in Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation/Rondo in C minor (Bruckner) and Intermezzo in D minor (Bruckner)

FYI, reformatting Meneerke bloem's initial mediation request according to the required template automatically made me an involved party, although I have no conflict either way with any of the other involved parties, not on the topic of this mediation, nor in any other way. This makes my understanding of the matters at hand rather low (I expressed my desinterestedness at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Classical music#Please mediate). So a helping hand may be welcome for the mediation? --Francis Schonken (talk) 09:00, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Beneful

I noticed that you were active in WikiProject Veterinary medicine and was wondering if you could take a look at a draft article I produced and shared here on a page where I have a COI. In particular, the second paragraph of the History section of the my draft is regarding a veterinary-type issue where my COI seems particularly relevant. I felt the lean in the draft towards the food not being contaminated was appropriate based on comments from vets and the FDA, but it's possible I have a skewed perspective and would appreciate a second look if you have time. CorporateM (Talk) 14:25, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Gender Gap case request comment

I was intrigued by your comment at the current case request, because, while I am unable to work on it for a few days at least, I am mulling over an essay I hope to write, tentatively titled "Time and Place"--S Philbrick(Talk) 23:01, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

"Bad facts make bad law" and "issue not yet ripe for resolution" are legal concepts you may want to review. Montanabw 23:17, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

There's less than meets the eye in the requested case. Montanabw's comments were apt and succinct. SPECIFICO talk 23:20, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

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Links to asil

In going through the list of ambiguous links, I came upon asil (as Faizhaider did last night). I've converted all seven of the links to pipe through the (disambiguation) redirect (per WP:INTDABLINK), since you stated in an edit summary that the link is intentional. From a look at the disambiguation page, it's clear why the links are intentional. I figured I'd give you a heads up that I did this, as I'm sure these changes will all appear on your watchlist. This piping will also prevent these links from appearing on the disambiguation lists created for WP:DPL, so we'll leave them alone in the future.

Is there enough information out there about the concept of "asil" to create an article, even a short one? -Niceguyedc 09:28, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Probably enough for a short article, just have to find the sources and the time to do so... Montanabw 22:17, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Moving Montana Vigilantes

BW, I wish you had at least asked about this first. As this goes forward, I really want to avoid having to include all the vigilante and mob violence crap that happened after statehood. The article focuses on the pre-territory and territorial period, but now anyone who wants to challenge it on a "comprehensiveness" basis can insist on adding all that statehood crap. A lot of stuff on Montana in WP is screwed up that way. There's was a cogent reason for renaming the article. Oh by the way, it also broke the GAN nomination. --Mike Cline (talk) 21:02, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

@Mike Cline:, a lot of "the other stuff" doesn't deserve to be called "vigilantism" (i.e. Frank Little, etc.) Those were mob lynchings. That's the stuff the needs a spinoff, not the actual mainstream period. Much as I have my issues with the over-heroicizing of the Vigilantes (no doubt in part because I must endure a two-hour annual high school skip day parade every year honoring them, which ties up downtown traffic for almost the entire afternoon... sigh), the 1863-1889 period was what it was all about. Montanabw 21:08, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

I will expect you to defend the article against the addition of any of the statehood period crap when the opportunity presents itself. --Mike Cline (talk) 21:16, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

It all depends on your definition of "crap," but if we agree that something is "crap" then yes, it's fair enough that I assist in maintaining whatever I had a hand in creating. Montanabw 21:45, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Lockwood

I see you just changed it to east, but I'm still curious as to how Lockwood could be considered southeast of Billings. This looks like northeast to me. TCN7JM 09:48, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

The highway and river don't run due east-west there, but in essence, the bulk of the area is on the "south" (OK, more southeast) side of the Yellowstone River, look at where the school is and such. Montanabw 09:54, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Danehill Dancer GA

Quite happy to contribute to this although the reflinks outage is driving me nuts. The creator is a v.good editor, but one of those who pops up to do a ton of work and then disappears for months. I think it's something to do with "having a life", a concept I have always struggled with. For some reason I have developed an interest in Standardbred pacers and am engaged in such life-changing issues as whether or not there should be an apostrophe in Matt's Scooter. Tigerboy1966  20:26, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Awesome, it would suck if this GA failed, it's close enough to passing. Having a life? Are they nuts?  ;-) Montanabw 01:21, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

And no reflinks? Shit, I can't function without reflinks! WTF? Oh WMF. Never mind... Montanabw 01:27, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

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Hi Montana, it's been good to see you around, especially at the Lady's Aide Society meetings. IMO, you are one of the very few that seems to actually understand what feminism is really about. Like you I was around in the early years, but from what I'm am seeing from a few of the leaders of the War on Uncivilness, you'd think that we were still stuck way back then with no progress in the last 40 years. It's bad enough to call myself a feminist around men who are less likely to understand what it means, but to be around women who don't understand is much worse.

I spent a little time in a peace activist community and I have seen Carol's type before. Many peace activists are great, but IMO there are just as many who need to live in a constant state of anger at something or another. In my expert psychiatric diagnosis, some people just continually project their inner turmoil out into the external world. They fight an outward battle rather than the inward battle, which is actually much more difficult. Gandydancer (talk) 14:45, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

The real work of the women's movement actually occurred largely during the 1980s. Since then there has been additional progress, but also a lot of "rear guard" actions to protect the gains that have been made. Yes, people stuck in a time warp don't help and often hinder real work getting done. The trick, however, is not to go after these misguided people in a way that would make me look like I'm siding with the misogynistic trolls, as I am not. The problem is, the grenade-lobbers and the trolls often sort of deserve each other, so sometime I wonder if it's OK to just let them have at it until the dust settles - the problem is how much they wreck in the process. Montanabw 21:08, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Tuskegee Airmen

Your sources you cite also still claim that the Tuskegee 'never lost a bomber' a claim proved FALSE over and over. None of the Tuskegee airmen participated in any of the Normandy Invasion plans.

Both the 332nd and 99th were based in Italy. Much too far away for a mission across France to Normandy. Your sources are home grown websites that glamorize the 'Red-Tails'. Not printed facts. 63.72.235.5 (talk) 14:55, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

All I did was revert. The source cited verified what was there, and it was a college-based site. Soooo... Instead of throwing a hissy fit here,anon IP, how about going out and finding BETTER sources to improve the article? Montanabw 21:04, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

momentary wiki-unbreak

I thought you might have some input ]. This was settled long ago, and now is being quibbled over by people who don't seem to actually have much to do with regional history; too many names in the region derive from the double-l spelling for there to be any substance invoking the single-l version now seemingly favoured by this discussion of the blind led by the uninformed. Quantitative reading of citations over qualitative ones, and lack of knowledge of the subject matter, are the bugbears of too many name discussions. I've been doing a good "job" of staying away from Misplaced Pages, but this one I decided to weigh in on because of some of the nonsense and narrow views being heard.....by those who don't actually work on the article, as in so many cases, beyond count.Skookum1 (talk) 06:22, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

WSS

Just wondering why you inserted that the NKT is 'parent organization' of the WSS? (this was the effect of the revert you made) Are there any reliable sources for this? We need to be careful about writing stuff in the voice of Misplaced Pages that clearly ain't true... Take care, Audrey Audrey37 (talk) 22:53, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

@Cullen328, Joshua Jonathan, and CFynn: have pointed out Audrey37's COI Here and Here.VictoriaGrayson 23:01, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Also CFynn inserted that bit that Audrey37 is complaining about.VictoriaGrayson 23:07, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Take it back to the article talk page, people. I'm just the NPOV person here. Montanabw 23:09, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Bayern

Time to get this one out of the sandbox, I think. Tigerboy1966  22:24, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

I agree, @Tigerboy1966: (I was watching the race streamed live from Parx) I'll help as Bayern (horse) goes live. Is reflinks up yet? FYI, I am also sandboxing Kaleem Shah, see User:Montanabw/Kaleem Shah (entrepreneur) if you want to pop over there and add any duplicate sources whilst working on Bayern... Montanabw 22:28, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Cropped a photo he was in at the Preakness. He laid an egg in that race, but at least we ahve a photo. Montanabw 06:19, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

@Tigerboy1966:, I got the Kaleem Shah article out first, it was farther along because I had a userfied version to start from. Feel free to play in the Bayern sandbox, I threw in some stuff, User:Montanabw/Bayern_(horse), but more needed, particularly your standardized blurbs! Montanabw 08:09, 21 September 2014 (UTC) User:Montanabw/Bayern_(horse)

I can actually write in rich, rhythmical, even sensuous prose should the occasion arise, but on WP I stick to "standardized blurbs"! Bayern's dam is a v. unusual case as she was a December foal, which made her useless for racing. Tigerboy1966  17:40, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

We all write "teh wiki" a little differently than other forms of creative prose, don't we? Boilerplate and copperplate are not the same! Montanabw 19:48, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

BTW, be sure you source that stuff as you go. Looks like reflinks is still down? (Gawd that sucks...). Montanabw 19:56, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Selection of a discography

Nikkimaria remains stiff-necked and does not accept my argumentation about the selection of a discography. A real dialogue of the deaf...

See my last reply concerning the selected discography on Talk:Intermezzo in D minor (Bruckner), subsection "How does a work / performance get notability?" and the comments I have put about the Discography on Talk:Vexilla regis (Bruckner), Talk:Virga Jesse (Bruckner), Talk:Locus iste and Talk:Ecce sacerdos magnus (Bruckner).

Till a consensus is achieved I will not amend the discography, but put my comments on the talk pages, so that other users can react. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 10:30, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Nikkimaria is very young; I think we are old enough to be her parents. Factor that in and proceed accordingly. That said, I sometimes regret that I do not actually believe in ordering someone to show some respect for their elders, I've never been more tempted in my life. But dang that growing up in the 60s and 70s thing. Montanabw 20:52, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Equus (genus)

On 26 September 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Equus (genus), which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the genus Equus became extinct in the Americas about 12,000 years ago and remained that way until the Conquistadors reintroduced it? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Equus (genus). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Navicular syndrome

On my watchlist now. Dougweller (talk) 13:14, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Rejection of the Mediation

Dear Montanabw,

The Mediation Committee has proposed to reject the Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation/Rondo in C minor (Bruckner) and Intermezzo in D minor (Bruckner), because "Primary opponent has declined mediation" and they recommend "Probably ought to go to lower-level dispute resolution first, after additional discussion on the article talk pages".

It is what I am doing, with long-lasting, strenuous, time-consuming discussions and eventually a not very positive outcome, because of Nikki's stiff-necked attitude.

Nikki has in the meantime drafted a few pages on Bruckner's motets, with again the same kind of discussions and again a not very positive outcome.

Please let me know what you would propose to come out of this situation unto a kind of gentlemen's agreement. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 10:27, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Nikki never compromises, she can occasionally be convinced, and if there is about a 5:1 consensus against her she backs down. My advice is to focus on content over formatting (discography, for example), and make "friends" online. We are dealing with a very young and very literally-minded person here. Montanabw 19:04, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

She replied to Francis Schonken's reaction on Formal mediation has been requested on my talk page. See my proposal, which indeed is focusing on the discography. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 19:53, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

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3RR

You've now exceeded 3RR on the Walsh article. Best to take a break. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 06:08, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Actually I have not, and furthermore, the edits made were begun against previous consensus. And, I actually did not even revert some of them. Montanabw 15:43, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

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Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 09:37, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

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The back and forth with SMcC on Corbett's page

I'm torn if you should keep at that. On the one hand it's an unnecessary dramafest, but on the other it is causing some clueless people to waste their time reading all of that. Sometimes TL;DR is a good thing. My question to SMcC before was sincere. I've never seen the guy before, nor know what you two have been arguing about but If everyone says the same thing, then you might just want to consider the possibility they are right.Two kinds of pork_Bacon 04:18, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Well, I'm on Mountain Standard time and have much to do tomorrow morning as well, so I'm not apt to be back over there for the net 12-16 hours. :-) Montanabw 04:44, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

But yes, I do wish that SMC would notice that everyone is telling him the same thin. He's currently under a partial restriction that doesn't allow him to move articles, and even with his restriction is putting in move requests for dozens of articles; I think he has at least 60 pending, most with significant opposition, and other editors are trying to move back well over a hundred that he moved against consensus before his restrictions were placed on him (which expire on Oct 15). He and I initially clashed over some of the moves, splits and renaming he wanted to do with the horse articles. It's deteriorated from there and I am quite frustrated that he just takes anyone who disagrees them as some sort of spawn of Satan, attributes nefarious motives or intellectual inferiority to them, and what really has me fed up are the personalizing of everything as an attack on him. I've dealt with some very troublesome editors on wikipedia, but he's unquestionably in my top five most difficult. Montanabw 04:44, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Kudos on some tweaks at Landrace

I sometimes forget that the "(thank)" feature requires a confirmation dialog, not just a click, so I'm not sure my "thank" attempts actually went through, about this or that.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ≼  04:36, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

The thank feature does have a confirmation feature - you have to also click "yes" on the bit that appears after you click the "thank" button. But thank you and you're welcome, nonetheless. I guess. Montanabw

Users using same abbreviations

Please notice that some users are using the same abbreviations such as "DL" and "DS".VictoriaGrayson 13:06, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

I small a whole drawer full of WP:SOCKs or maybe WP:MEATPUPPETs. Tag teaming is not OK, surf around the drama boards and see if thee is an appropriate venue to raise this issue. Perhaps my talk page stalkers can make recommendations. Montanabw 14:06, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Copyright problems, other things

Thanks for your comment at Talk:Guoxia; that's a puzzle. So, I started looking at that editor's contribs; it seems from the user talk page that this problem was identified at the time, but not, unfortunately, dealt with. I don't (so far) think it is big enough to justify a CCI, but there are extensive probems. Question: would you prefer that I do not slap a {{cclean}} notice on Talk:Banker Horse? I'd normally do so, as this version was substantially copied from here. Though the copied stuff is all long gone, it seems sensible to note that the issue has been seen and dealt with; but I don't want to seem (or be) unduly heavy-handed, hence this note. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:53, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

I don't think there is really any worry that the 2007 version would be restored. But if you wanted to put a clean tag on it, I'd suggest nesting it inside the other project boxes and then collapsing it so it's very discreet. I would not view that as heavy-handed. I also appreciate your courtesy in asking. I was one of a team of about 4 people who helped User:Yohmom, who was a high school student at the time, bring that article to FAC for a school project. Amazing student and a great teacher supervising the class. What WP can be at its best. As for Guoxia, there were a ton of breed articles created a long time ago (many before my time or at least before I started going through the breed articles with the attentionto detail I have now) that were basically copied and pasted. On that one, I posted an inquiry at the WikiProject China page to see if anyone bites. There is also an editor of a lot of Chinese history articles I might ping if I can remember his user name (Timmy somebody...) Would be nice to find "real" sources like I did with Riwoche horse. Montanabw 22:52, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for mail and other questions. I haven't given you any answers because I don't have any to give. I have no interest whatsoever in the sort of argumentation and confrontation some people enjoy; nor do I have any inclination to stand by and watch another project get walked all over like the bird one did (that discussion should probably be re-opened, too). So it's the classic rock/hard place. As for Landrace, that seems to be wall-to-wall fork, synth and OR, trying to create a topic out of thin air. It should probably be a dab, with links to Breed and Cultivar; AfD might be the way to get it there. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:53, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

OoooooH! If you wanted to do an AfD like that, I'd not just buy popcorn to watch the show, I'd buy preferred stock in Jiffy Pop! Maybe proposing a merge to those two articles, though we do have a lot of links to landrace in various articles (but maybe there could also be a resurrection of Autochthon (nature)) The not getting walked all over thing is another thing we agree on. I can't take point on everything, but I'm willing to lead a team effort, at least within the confines of not "canvassing" and all that. Montanabw 22:52, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Enough for SPI?

If 2 NKT accounts a) use the same abbreviations "DS" and "DL" b) make a big deal about being a new account c) complain about being treated badly by older accounts is that enough for SPI? Or is that a Quantum leap over Manhattan?VictoriaGrayson 00:11, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Worth a shot. Make your case carefully and provide diffs and such. You never know. Montanabw 00:12, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Regarding user HighWindows

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.VictoriaGrayson 00:42, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Oh dear

Don't know if you've seen this story . The comments give you a hint of the sheer incomprehension we feel on this side of the pond at the response of US racing authorities to doping offences. Tigerboy1966  20:55, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Yeah. And over here, well, the bullshit just keeps piling up. That said, this search gets a lot of matches. and Paulick and others favor tighter rules. Over here, everyone is making a big deal out of Tonalist winning the Jockey Club Gold Cup while running with "no medication" - but by "no medication" that meant only running on lasix and no other meds. I'm kind of an anti-medication person in general and what strikes me is how no one over here seems to be asking the Europeans how they answer a lot of the usual nonsense like "we don't want horses to start bleeding" or "all those Europeans use Lasix in training as much as we do", and so on. But then, we had to pass federal legislation to stop even sicker and more creepy abuse - and it's still happening. I really don't know WTF is wrong with some people. =:-O

Kelsang Jangdom Strikes Again

Please see Audrey37's latest edits, especially to the 14th Dalai Lama page. Pinging @Cullen328: as well. VictoriaGrayson 22:57, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender Gap Task Force opened

You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender Gap Task Force. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender Gap Task Force/Evidence. Please add your evidence by October 17, 2014, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender Gap Task Force/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Ks0stm 14:36, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Misunderstandings vs. accusations

In case you were going to opine at Arbitration, I just want to remind you that one is supposed to provide diffs, not outraged accusations without them. You have repeatedly stated that I accused you of being a man without presenting diffs. Just three examples are:

• Well, given that I got accused of being a man by CMDC over on the GG task force page, so clearly I'm on the outs with the queen bee of the GGTF, I don't expect that you would be prone to trust or listen to me.
• ...when she crriticized my comments, in doing so she also accused me of being male...
• I for one tried commenting there and was promptly accused of being a man!

I had more important issues to deal with than this accusation but I'm pretty tired of seeing it. So let me now point out to you that I merely assumed you were without explicitly saying so. And when I realized my error I apologized - and that is the only proof you have that I misunderstood you to be a man.

Let’s review the relevant section on What's the difference between Misplaced Pages and academia?:

• You wrote as your first contribution to GGTF (per your modification) :

Speaking only for myself, one thing I've seen is an unwillingness of many (not all) women editors to stand up for one another and fight together. Though I have two or three staunch women wiki-allies that I can usually count on for backup, I frankly get exhausted taking point most of the time. (So do they, I think) In fact, sometimes people I thought were my allies wound up being the first to say, "gee maybe you are both in the wrong" when I was in the right. I've been dragged to ANI more times by women editors than male ones. I win, but the cost is really a drag. (Full disclosure: I've edited for eight years, and still have a clean block log and have never been sanctioned beyond a trout slap). The people who have been the most hateful to the point I've wanted to quit have mostly been women (by about a 2:1 margin) I don't know if it's just me that attracts the crazies or what, but when it comes to women allies, most just turn tail and leave me holding the bag. If I need troops, it's usually the guys who show up. So if there is one way to help women feel more accepted, perhaps it would be a supportive community? Oh wait, wikipedia is just like the real world. Women seldom support each other there either, queen bee syndrome or tall poppy syndrome rages everywhere.

• Only weeks later did I notice the edit summary which hinted that you might be a woman. And I was rather miffed by what I saw (and still see, frankly) as hostility toward women and commented on that, without mentioning what your sex might be.
• You then replied angrily in a post that again left no indication you might be a woman.
• The first indication that I noticed that you might be a woman was when you wrote: The issue that I see driving women away (at least the stuff that tempts me to quit) are, in short, bullying and abuse...
• Once it seemed likely you were a woman, I wrote: Sorry, I didn't know you were a woman. Your language was a bit ambiguous so I read your whole post as criticism by a guy who was putting down women for not sticking together. My edit summary read: didnt know Montanabw was a woman and read it as criticism of women Since you did not at that point deny you were a woman, I assumed I had it right.

To end, a misunderstanding is not an accusation. If you want to say “Carolmooredc apologized to me for thinking I was a man”, with a diff, go for it, and at least then you will be accurate. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 15:41, 3 October 2014 (UTC)