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Place argument and diffs which support the second assertion; for example, your second assertion might be "So-and-so makes personal attacks", which should be the title of this section. Here you would show specific edits where So-and-so made personal attacks. Place argument and diffs which support the second assertion; for example, your second assertion might be "So-and-so makes personal attacks", which should be the title of this section. Here you would show specific edits where So-and-so made personal attacks.


==Evidence presented by {your user name}== ==Evidence presented by Lightbreather==
==={Write your assertion here}=== ===Past conduct===
It is clear from his block log, first as Malleus Fatuorum and then as Eric Corbett, that Eric has little or no respect for civility policies. The arbcom "Civility enforcement" case that closed February 2012 proposed these findings of fact: , including being banned from RFA discussions.
Place argument and diffs which support your assertion; for example, your first assertion might be "So-and-so engages in edit warring", which should be the title of this section. Here you would show specific edits to specific articles which show So-and-so engaging in edit warring.


==={Write your assertion here}=== ===Recent conduct===
His conduct since July 24, 2014, makes clear that his opinion about the WP civility policy is unchanged and that his opinion of ] is that it is, in a word, bad, and overrun with editors with a "feminist agenda." It is also clear that his participation in GGTF discussions is meant to disrupt, mostly through baiting and comments that some interpret as personal attacks.
Place argument and diffs which support the second assertion; for example, your second assertion might be "So-and-so makes personal attacks", which should be the title of this section. Here you would show specific edits where So-and-so made personal attacks.
;24-29 July 2014 at ], GGTF, Jimbo Wales' talk page, ANI
:* Lightbreather asked: "Where and how can I go about making a formal request to make a unique noticeboard area?"
:* Eric Corbett replied: '' easiest way to avoid being called a cunt is not to act like one.'' ] at least. Others agreed that it was a ].
:* Scalhotrod replies to Eric's comment: "Brilliantly put!"
:* Lightbreather joined GGTF.
:* Scalhotrod joined GGTF.
:* Lightbreather complained and quit.
:* During related discussion on Jimbo's talk page, Eric asked Saffron Blaze if they were "''hiding behind the door when God handed out brains''."
:* Eric was blocked by BrownHairedGirl for 72 hours. (DangerousPanda unblocked him.)
;1 August - 17 September 2014 at GGTF (''87 edits by Eric over nine discussions'')
:;Civility board OP {{u|SlimVirgin}} 27 July 2014 notified GGTF about the civility board discussion at AN.
::*1 August ''many of those complaining about incivility seem to feel that actually writing content is a menial job for those lesser beings they want to police''

:;94% of wiki users female OP {{u|Rich Farmbrough}} 26 August 2014.
::*27 August - ] {{u|Carolmooredc}}, {{u|Elaqueate}}

:;Re "On average, males and females have different interests" OP Anne Delong 28 August 2014.
::*] Carolmooredc, {{u|EvergreenFir}}, {{u|Anne Delong}}, Elaqueate

:;Back to Hatting vs. closing vs. immediate archiving OP Carolmooredc 29 August 2014.
::*] Carolmooredc

:;Active nomination of women for administrators OP LawrencePrincipe 31 August 2014.
::*2 September ] {{u|LawrencePrincipe}}, Carolmooredc, EvergreenFir, Anne Delong

:;ANI on “disruption of Wikiproject” OP Carolmooredc 4 September 2014.
::*] {{u|Neotarf}}

:;Effect of 16/84 ratio OP Eric Corbett 4 September 2014.
::* ''Nothing would be different'' (about WP's content if its editors were 50% women rather than 16%).
::* ''The gender gap is just the current fad''
::* ''I really couldn't care less whether or not more women are recruited. I'm here because I think that too many of you have got your heads up your proverbial arses, attacking windmills that are simply mirages.''
::* ''I'm tired and I'm fed up with these repeated accusations that I'm some kind of monster misogynist. Can you can find any evidence at all to support the accusation that I hate all women?'' (No one said or suggested that.)
::* ''Why should I be expected to leave lies alone?'' (In response to q: If you don't believe in , can't you just leave it alone?
::* ''Frankly I think I'm one of the few here who's actually not seeing everything through the prism of some feminist agenda.''

:;An idea... OP Knowledgekid87 4 September 2014.
::*] {{u|Knowledgekid87}}, Neotarf

:;Notice of relevant discussion elsewhere OP Carolmooredc 16 September 2014.
::*] Carolmooredc, {{u|GRuban}}; baiting EvergreenFir, {{u|Milowent}}


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Evidence presented by Cas Liber

Editing patterns

Part of the problem is a lack of objectivity and assumptions made by editors about other editors' behaviour. One way of taking stock and getting a more objective view is to do a quantitative analysis of editing patterns of the people involved. I intend to start this by examining the last 500 contributions of each party up until the end of September in the first instance. The reason for doing this is that it just antedates the acceptance of the case, i.e. before folks realised a case was going to be opened and hence dial it back for fear of sanctions. These will be listed below. I might go further back, not sure. May even look until the present to compare. Comments can be made below. Also, ultimately we are about building an encyclopedia, so below each party, folks are invited to provide (with diffs) how that editor has helped them build an encyclopedia. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:18, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Robert McClenon

last 500 contribs until Oct 1

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Eric Corbett

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Two kinds of pork

last 500 contribs until Oct 1


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SPECIFICO

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Carolmooredc

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Neotarf

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Place argument and diffs which support the second assertion; for example, your second assertion might be "So-and-so makes personal attacks", which should be the title of this section. Here you would show specific edits where So-and-so made personal attacks.

Evidence presented by Lightbreather

Past conduct

It is clear from his block log, first as Malleus Fatuorum and then as Eric Corbett, that Eric has little or no respect for civility policies. The arbcom "Civility enforcement" case that closed February 2012 proposed these findings of fact: , including being banned from RFA discussions.

Recent conduct

His conduct since July 24, 2014, makes clear that his opinion about the WP civility policy is unchanged and that his opinion of WP:GGTF is that it is, in a word, bad, and overrun with editors with a "feminist agenda." It is also clear that his participation in GGTF discussions is meant to disrupt, mostly through baiting and comments that some interpret as personal attacks.

24-29 July 2014 at WT:AN, GGTF, Jimbo Wales' talk page, ANI
  • Lightbreather asked: "Where and how can I go about making a formal request to make a unique noticeboard area?"
  • Eric Corbett replied: easiest way to avoid being called a cunt is not to act like one. Baiting at least. Others agreed that it was a personal attack.
  • Scalhotrod replies to Eric's comment: "Brilliantly put!"
  • Lightbreather joined GGTF.
  • Scalhotrod joined GGTF.
  • Lightbreather complained and quit.
  • During related discussion on Jimbo's talk page, Eric asked Saffron Blaze if they were "hiding behind the door when God handed out brains."
  • Eric was blocked by BrownHairedGirl for 72 hours. (DangerousPanda unblocked him.)
1 August - 17 September 2014 at GGTF (87 edits by Eric over nine discussions)
Civility board OP SlimVirgin 27 July 2014 notified GGTF about the civility board discussion at AN.
  • 1 August many of those complaining about incivility seem to feel that actually writing content is a menial job for those lesser beings they want to police
94% of wiki users female OP Rich Farmbrough 26 August 2014.
Re "On average, males and females have different interests" OP Anne Delong 28 August 2014.
Back to Hatting vs. closing vs. immediate archiving OP Carolmooredc 29 August 2014.
Active nomination of women for administrators OP LawrencePrincipe 31 August 2014.
ANI on “disruption of Wikiproject” OP Carolmooredc 4 September 2014.
Effect of 16/84 ratio OP Eric Corbett 4 September 2014.
  • Nothing would be different (about WP's content if its editors were 50% women rather than 16%).
  • The gender gap is just the current fad
  • I really couldn't care less whether or not more women are recruited. I'm here because I think that too many of you have got your heads up your proverbial arses, attacking windmills that are simply mirages.
  • I'm tired and I'm fed up with these repeated accusations that I'm some kind of monster misogynist. Can you can find any evidence at all to support the accusation that I hate all women? (No one said or suggested that.)
  • Why should I be expected to leave lies alone? (In response to q: If you don't believe in , can't you just leave it alone?
  • Frankly I think I'm one of the few here who's actually not seeing everything through the prism of some feminist agenda.
An idea... OP Knowledgekid87 4 September 2014.
Notice of relevant discussion elsewhere OP Carolmooredc 16 September 2014.

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