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Nice to find a quirky DYK possibility, thank you for Men's parking space. Please concentrate a bit, and I will nominate, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:10, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I feel Honored. Triberg sent me some more photos, I dowloaded them on commons but need the OTRS to comply

NR Serten.

Ask PumpkinSky, he is an admin on the commons and can handle that, photographer of the Yogo sapphire, did you know? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:25, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! Serten (talk) 08:28, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I didn't take that photo, Montanabw did. I did take the photos of the pear shaped yogo and the purple yogo though. Being an admin on Commons doesn't mean you have OTRS access, but I do happen to have both accesses. See my talk page too.PumpkinSky talk 10:51, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

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Found it.Serten (talk)

OTRS

Let's keep the OTRS talk on my page. PumpkinSky talk 11:02, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Questions for you on my talk page. PumpkinSky talk 11:15, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Got that on my list, thanks Serten (talk) 11:36, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of Männergarten

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re:West Triangle Economic Zone

Hi. I don't really have time right now to do an in-depth look at that review, real-life work and all, you know. One tiny comment, though: It doesn't matter whether or not an article has interwiki links or not. That doesn't really concern us at English-language Misplaced Pages. Interwikis are nice and all, but certainly nothing that plays a part in the DYK process. Manxruler (talk) 22:26, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

Talkback

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Your DYK nomination of Muggeseggele

Hi, regarding Template:Did you know nominations/Muggeseggele... DYK rules require a new article to be at least 1500 prose characters, and yours is only 978 990 (I added a {{convert}}, which added a few characters). It will have to be expanded to be eligible for DYK. For a tool to count prose characters, see WP:DYKcheck. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 19:36, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

There are two other issues also. SL93 (talk) 06:41, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Muggeseggele for deletion

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The term is being used as example for must-know Swabian vocabulary in courses of Swabian as a foreign language in Tübingen. Same applies for lectures of books written in swabian.

Usage in sports

Heilbronn is the focus of the quite active Ultimate Fresbee szene in Germany, the region provides the major part of the national teams for men and women. DJK Sportbund Heilbronn Ultimate team has the name Muggeseggele.

Badische Zeitung described Nordic combined champion Georg Hettich fight and training means for the national team for the world championship as Ein Muggeseggele bis zum WM-Ticket (a gnats cock till the world tournament ticket).

No consensus

Congratulations for your endurance on keeping Muggeseggele! I nearly gave up. --NearEMPTiness (talk) 21:42, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

KSC Ole ;) Serten (talk) 23:06, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

1. "Schwäbisch für Reigschmeckte: Was ist denn bitte schön ein Muggaseggel?" (Swabian for Aliens, Pardon, a Muggaseggel what?), Michael Petersen, Stuttgarter Zeitung 03.11.2008
2. Von Muggeseggele und Halbdackel Regina Koppenhöfer, Stimme 2013
3. German Report about the background in Heilbronn World Junior Championship in Heilbronn 2010 Team muggeseggele Website
4. Ein Muggeseggele bis zum WM-Ticket, Georg Hettich kämpft um ein WM-Ticket, Badische Zeitung

DYK nomination of Men's parking space

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DYK for Men's parking space

On 11 July 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Men's parking space, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the two men's parking spaces in Triberg, Germany, have drawn accusations of sexism? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Men's parking space. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 08:18, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Congrats to your first DYK on the English Misplaced Pages! It will not reach the stats of Kafka, but I predict attention ;) - It is also featured on Portal:Germany. If you have more DYK related to Germany, please feel free to enter it there yourself, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:33, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Cool! Gerda you helped me a lot, thanks for all. Serten (talk) 08:41, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Precious

first article
Thank you for your first article on the English Misplaced Pages, Men's parking space, that attracted more than 20,000 views one day and tells us something about bias - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:07, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

"Blush" 06:16, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Don't, you made it to the All-time DYK page view leaders ;) - Look for "blush" on my talk, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:24, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

A year ago, you were the 543rd recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:27, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Seufz, hier habe ich mich noch etwas gerührt, als der Gore effect gelöscht werden sollte, in der de:WP schaue ich nicht mal mehr meine Nutzerseite an. Serten (talk) 10:48, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

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Your edit in article Muggeseggele

Could you please explain your edit? --Agatha Bauer (talk) 06:20, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Muggeseggele

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I have given it some brushing up. See what Drmies thinks now. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:11, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Your e-mail

In reply to your e-mail, a "no consensus" outcome means that the article is currently not deleted, but that it can be renominated for deletion later.  Sandstein  08:47, 25 July 2013 (UTC) OK Serten (talk) 22:09, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Muggeseggele

On 31 August 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Muggeseggele, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that in Swabia, the length of a housefly's penis is an idiomatic expression for a very short length? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Muggeseggele. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Cute ;) - I bet another stats entry, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:47, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Re-inserting errots I

Misplaced Pages is no place for humour. Everything is very serious here and we are all terrifically important.

If you're going to revert my edits to the Gore effect, please fix the errors in spelling and grammar in the text you re-insert. Thanks. Guettarda (talk) 21:13, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Given a religious topic, I always comment my reverts on the Discpage, as done here as well. No sweat with the rest of your edits. I am German, learned Latin, English and some French and Norwegian and insofar took allegate as verb for "allegation, OK its "to allege" as corrected by me after you asked for the cit. I was happily missing the bad discussion athmosphere at WP for more than a year. Seems WP is still trying its best to keep new or former authors out of the pond. Disgusted again Serten (talk) 21:28, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Given the sanctions on climate-change related articles, I'm unwilling to revert your reversion. I would not insert ungrammatical text and spelling errors into articles on the German Misplaced Pages. Why not self-reevrt use to talk page to craft something that's acceptable? Misplaced Pages is a collaborative work - you can't demand that other people leave your misformed text in the article space. Guettarda (talk) 21:39, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

The only "errots" I am reinserting is the one you made on my talking page. Get lost Serten (talk) 21:44, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Bad idea to revert a formal notification. Just because you reverted it doesn't mean that you aren't subject to the sanctions. Guettarda (talk) 21:50, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

As said, I would prefer you would try to respect foreign sources and not starting wikilawyering. Serten (talk) 21:58, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm not Wikilawyering. I'm letting you know that the article you've chosen to edit is subject to discretionary sanctions, as I am required to do. And this has nothing to do with foreign sources - it's about your editing. The text you re-inserted includes spelling errors and grammatical errors. Despite your rudeness and hostility, we still have a problem: mangled text in the article which you refuse to fix. Guettarda (talk) 22:07, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Hmmm. I reverted your complete deletion of Rettig and Jochen Mai, mentioned my reasons for that on the disc page and and then, in second step, reworded and shortened the part in question according your points. As youre monolingual, I gave you explanations about the authors and their background and the successreception of the book. Have your registered that? I would prefer WP as a place, where multilingual aliens might contribute as well. Serten (talk) 22:15, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Again, that's not the issue I raised here. I'm talking about the fact that the text you inserted - reinserted - is ungrammatical and contains spelling errors. That's the issue I'm raising here. And rather than try to fix your mistakes, you've chosen to respond with insults and hostility. (FWIW, I can muddle my way through written or spoken German. I just don't try to write it. Which is entirely irrelevant here.) Guettarda (talk) 22:36, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Buddy, look on the "errots" you inserted here and the bias you tried to insert in the article entry. Matthew 7:3, sawdust and planks. Serten (talk) 22:40, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

I fixed my errors. You restored it, for whatever reason. Just as you restored your errors in the main article. Don't blame me for your mistakes. I'm only half German; I understand why you think those you're insulting me, but I'm not troubled by them.

And seriously, fix your mangled text. Or not. You're the one who wants the article kept. Poorly written text and spelling errors aren't reasons for deletion, but they sure help nudge people in that direction. But try being civil. Guettarda (talk) 00:59, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

The WP:Synth point is quite weak, the WP:ONEEVENT not applicable. If you were into improving the article, you would correct the one or other error instead of bullying around and deleting valid content. Any fair suggestion for improvement or real life edits are welcome. As far as I see the AfD discussion and the edit history, you found no support, to the contrary, I am feeling quite happy with the broad support for keeping the article. Serten (talk) 19:53, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Warning to User Serten

By looking at what is going on here, it is clear that the edits of User Serten are NOT covered by the sources he cites. See this edit amongst others on this discussion page. In the German Misplaced Pages he has lost the right to flag his edits as a sighted version after this case of vandalism because of exactly this behavior. He continues exactly at the point where he stopped. This is unacceptable. --Hg6996 (talk) 10:54, 5 August 2014 (UTC) Moved from Talk:Environmental impact of wind power --ELEKHH 04:59, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

I have found similar issues with misleading citations, and the 'impressive' block history on the German Wiki for edit-waring and personal attacks is quite concerning. --ELEKHH 04:59, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Hg6996 doesnt like me, thats proven, and thats based on his assumptions of my motives, not of my contents. His hate speech against scientists like Nir Shaviv and others is way beyound measure and was regulalry transferred to me. The link Hg6996 provides is completely without value, since erasing a POV block is not at all a proof of POV per se. I have - en detailed the issues raised by Elekhh on a factual base and I am willing to continue the discussion in that manner. Serten (talk) 07:33, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

What you call an impressive block history is only half of the story. Behind user Serten is the same person as behind user Polentario and there it looks just the same. --Hg6996 (talk) 10:30, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Yawn. Top Thousand contributor is it? Hg6996, you havent providid any content not discussed any source, youre just runtuing hate speech. I wont discuss with you any further, if its not backed by valid sources or discussion about sources. Serten (talk) 10:43, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Re-inserting errots part II

Misplaced Pages is no place for humour. Everything is very serious here and we are all terrifically important.

Made my day. Probably Hg6996 logged out, he has a certain level and thrives to fullfill English As She Is Spoke. Serten (talk) 09:02, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Notes

• Martin Hairer
• God made the bulk; surfaces were invented by the devil As quoted in Growth, Dissolution, and Pattern Formation in Geosystems (1999) by Bjørn Jamtveit and Paul Meakin, p. 291 Pauli
• The Seven Basic Plots
• Max Weinreich: אַ שפּראַך איז אַ דיאַלעקט מיט אַן אַרמיי און פֿלאָט (a shprakh iz a dialekt mit an armey un flot—"A language is a dialect with an army and navy", see Language is a dialect with an army and navy.

List of scientists...

I commend you trying to get the list to something that is recognizably encyclopedic and appropriate for Misplaced Pages. I strongly suggest taking as much time as it takes to read the last AfD, and skim through the talk page discussions since. Without some perspective on the history of the article, editors' continuing concerns about it, and how the local consensus was achieved and is being maintained, I'm afraid that the response you're getting on the talk page is just going to escalate and be unproductive. --Ronz (talk) 17:09, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Sigh. When Collonney came up, I had a break. "The Pause" helps. Maybe you dont believe me, but I had skimmed already through the various AfDs. Reading the statment "none of persons in question has actually stated anything like opposing that they oppose the consensus on AGW" included. One of my first points was that the principal argument for deletion was about BLP. However, I dont care wether nearly none of the scientists listed really "stated that they oppose the consensus on AGW", its much more important wether someone is able to find sources that claim those scientists are not within the connsensus. This list should be erased from Misplaced Pages since the exclusion from consensus of listed people is not at all mentioned in the secondary sources given. Therefore the inclusion of some or all of these scientists on this lists is original research first and a violation of WP:BLP second and third the list is to be erased sinc it does not define what a scientist is. Why is Varenholt a scientist and Richar Tol not? Serten (talk) 17:35, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Since you've read it, then you know my perspective. It should be deleted.

I'm hoping someone will come along with an approach to creating real, policy-based consensus. I think you have multiple, good concerns that might be fruitful. --Ronz (talk) 18:06, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

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Alleged Verbatim copying from sources

Do not copy verbatim from sources as you did here. That constitutes a copyright violation. Repeatedly doing so can get you blocked from Misplaced Pages. Guettarda (talk) 19:53, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

I feel honored that you assume I did verbal quotations. Its however a summary of dozens of pages by me translated into English. However with the religious zeal of the climate controversy, quotations close to a certain sources are often requested for and short sentences would do not at all constitute a copyright violation. I have some experience based on my german account having got banned lifetime once (lifetime was reduced quite quickly, since the sysop was overruled and ridiculized) based on similar accusations on an article draft of mine. I am more cautious since in excerpting third party text in the Wiki area. But thnx for the hintSerten (talk) 20:05, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Two instances now, different sources. Rather worrying, especially since you admit having had a similar problem on de in the past. Guettarda (talk) 20:40, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Goodness, you have a problem with the article probation. better revert your edits. And I didnt have a similar problem, I then had used copy and paste of some sentences for an article draft about Angela Merkles Schlandkette, not in the article space and I was fully rehabilitated and even told how to avoid URV. I assume as well that in case of a free summary, you would come up with WP:OR ;) Serten (talk) 20:51, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

You encountered a similar problem - ie, one involving verbatim copying. Which means you can't claim to be ignorant of the policy. Your infringement of policy was, thus, done with full knowledge of the policy.

As for article probation...I reverted once. As did you. Only unlike you I opened a discussion to explain my edits. Guettarda (talk) 21:31, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

I understood the 1 revert rule that any content is not be reverted twice, you and Connolley did each one. So I have been be wrong with that probably, I have not played much in such areas. However, as said, the copyright infringement asks to protect the legal rights of authors and requires a Threshold of originality, wwhich has not been infringed at all in the cases you mentioned. You claim verbatim, you found reworded short statements fully assigned to the authors. Whatever you mean, if youre prefering another wording, its aa wiki and you may change it. However you seem to use purported CR infringement claims as a WP:COATTRACK to exclude valid expansion of an article respectively to defend your personal POV against real science findings relevant for this article. 00:18, 23 August 2014 (UTC) I had tried to open a discussion item, but was facing some edit conflicts. So what ;)

Third opinions

He Serten. Before you give a third opinion, as you did at Talk:Soka Gakkai#Bundestag report, please don't forget to remove the entry from the WP:3O page, so that other editors won't spend time looking into it. Thanks. --Stfg (talk) 20:02, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Ah thank you. I have not been aware of the rule, as third opinions requests in the de WP stay. Serten (talk) 20:13, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Editing other editors talk page contributions....

...as you did here is strongly discouraged. I suspect this was an unintentional slip, but please be careful. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 14:02, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Hallo Stephan. thnx for the Info. I did once erase a Connolley statement intentionally, but his happened by accident. Serten (talk) 14:25, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

No worries - fat fingers are a common affliction ;-). --Stephan Schulz (talk) 06:03, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Clarification

Hello! I need more clarification on the email you sent to me in realtionship with this edit.Wikicology (talk) 09:08, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Hallo Wikicology ! First, my correct edit finally was . I think Shaman was right to complete sentence, so the edit you refer to was not disruptive. But WP prefer real footnotes instead of internal links. OK? Serten (talk) 10:41, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Serten I never refered to Shaman edit as distruptive simply because he completed the sentence. Infact I never spot your mistake. But I strongly opposed the remover of footnotes by Shaman. I only expect him to fix the citation correctly perhaps using a webreflink.wp prevers footnotes. Wikicology (talk) 10:59, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

OK. Serten (talk) 11:04, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

E CLAMPUS VITUS, usw

Gruaß di Schwoager ! I hab dei Talk:Ozone_depletion#Ozone_depletion_and_global_warming a bisl ogeshaut, dei Feind is gewiß ā Drek Preiß--Pfui Toife !

Wegn dei Artikel in Sandkasten über Haberfeldtreiben...soll des auf English übersetz sei ? I glaub mir sollten ā Haberfeldtreiben hier bei Wiki veranstalten, mir zwo als Haberfeldmaastern werden die Heiden gscheid heraustrieben ! Pfüat di Tjlynnjr (talk) 00:21, 31 August 2014 (UTC) .

Ja de Tjlynnjr-User kimmt hereini, alte Wursthaut, des gfreit mi. Es sott scho no übasetzt wern des Habafeldtreibn. I dat soagn, das es ähnliche Bräuch bai die Anglos gibt, die hoisn des a Charivari. Die Klimahoanzen datn schoa gnug Charivari moachn, i han zwonan Nordlichta übasetzt, den Grundmann Reiner und da Weingart Peta, die sich da auskennat, des reichat mir da scho. Wan mer helfen doast mit am Haberfeldern, des dat mer au zum Did you know bringem, das die Leit des schee seen kennet. Habe die Ehre. Serten (talk) 03:08, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Diese Energiewende ist schlimmer als ein Verbrechen, sie ist ein Fehler ;) Serten (talk) 10:25, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

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"Youre looking nice ;) Serten (talk) 12:27, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. Unfortunately am an anglophone. Wikicology (talk) 13:30, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

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Ozone depletion and climate change

Hi Serten, it took me a while and someone with a decent science education could have done better, but I have been through the article polishing up the English. I added a few notes in edit summaries, but in general:

• I changed "eminent danger" to "imminent"; please check the Unger reference to see which he uses. "Imminent" is by far the more common adjective with "danger": it means there's a danger of it happening soon. "Eminent" is a term of respect meaning "important", applied to statesmen, for example - for the dangers of global warming it would probably be better to use a different adjective meaning "important" without those connotations, such as "significant danger" or "major danger".
• You appear to have intended to use UK English, so I changed "meter" to "metre". Was that a correct assumption?
• The references are in part out of date - a 2012 publication noted as in press, accessdates in 2010. I assume you are building on older work. If on older Misplaced Pages articles, these should be noted on the article talk page for attribution. In any event, it would be good to check for actual publication details, any URLs that have changed, etc., and to use the most recent accessdate.
• Reference format in English vs. German: I changed this in a few places but the whole article could use a going over for this. Some references use citation templates. If you intend to use these, it's best that all references use them, because they output the references in a peculiar format and order of elements. But even if not using them, an English citation usually starts with the author(s), followed by the chapter/article title in quotation marks (not italics), then the book or journal title (in italics outside the sciences, where journal titles are often not italicised), and page numbers are at the end.
• DYK hooks: I don't participate at DYK any longer or I would tweak this myself, but your alternate hook needs a little Englishing, as follows: "that studies about ozone depletion and global warming tell us about the importance to manage of managing ignorance and uncertainties for in political decision making?"

Hope that helps. I understood most of it but the scientific background section had me floundering. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:35, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! The scientific background section is complete incoprehensible gibberish, copied (with a remark in the version history) from Ozone depletion#Ozone depletion and climate section. Its not planned to be useful but - imho - just dressed to impress. But I am glad you took a close eye on my text. Cheers Serten (talk) 18:30, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Die Rhöner Säuwäntzt

On 13 September 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Die Rhöner Säuwäntzt, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that one song by Die Rhöner Säuwäntzt went viral among anti–wind power activists in Germany? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Die Rhöner Säuwäntzt. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Edit warring

Please read wp:brd and stop your edit warring on Tragedy of the commons. You are not entitled to bulldoze your way in this manner when you have been asked to achieve consensus on the talk page. --Epipelagic (talk) 22:06, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Honey, just check the facts. The former intro is just wrong and not at all in line with basic science. Serten (talk) 22:14, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Oops, you've just made four reversions in five hours. That's a blockable offence if anyone notices. I suggest you avoid the possibility of a block by self-reverting. --Epipelagic (talk) 02:41, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

If you have a problem with Joachim Radkau, Grove and further research results of environmental history, so be it. But dont start to claim they don't have a say or should be excluded from WP. Start reading the sources in question and express your views. Till now, its completely impossible to see what you actually want beyond Misplaced Pages:Status quo stonewalling. Serten (talk) 11:12, 23 September 2014 (UTC) PS.: Where do you get that weed from?

I would prefer you started to read quality sources instead of counting reverts. That said, I doubt its a blockable offence, as the revert was not based on the same content. Its however sad that editors calling a article enhancement based on Yale and Cambridge University press sources "spam" are not blocked immediately. Larry Sanger had a point on that ;) Serten (talk) 08:47, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Earthquakes in the Mediterranean region

Hi there. Thanks for adding the "Natural hazards" section to Mediterranean Sea article. Perhaps you would want to add some more recent earthquakes to that section such as these from 1999 as mentioned in Greek–Turkish earthquake diplomacy? Regards, Takeaway (talk) 22:26, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

I feel warmly welcome, as my changes based on groves and radkaus work in tragedy of the commons have been dubbed as spam ;) I was catious to and sort of reluctant to introduce continental hazards, and therefore started with islands and coast - sea issues. But feel free to expand the sectio I started, its not my property ;) Do you agree that the Greek–Turkish earthquake diplomacy and espacially intra mediterrenian security conflicts and cooperation, e.g. about immigration deserve a separate section? Serten (talk) 22:43, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Oh... I had a look at the "Tragedy..." article and quickly clicked it away after reading the first sentence. Not really my thing and especially not after having had the amount of beer and wine I had tonight. Please feel free to implement my suggestion from here above. You're already in the swing of things so please go ahead. I'd have to get into the rhythm first and probably won't for the time being on that subject. As for your proposal to introduce a new section on security etc., I don't really think that a subject like that would be served by just one section in an overview article such as Mediterranean Sea. In my opinion, a separate article would do such a subject more justice as there is so much to write about, and then a short mention in the overview article. That way too, a lot of nationalistic editing reverts will be avoided on the Mediterranean Sea article.... LOL! - Takeaway (talk) 23:36, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

I had another quick glance at the "Tragedy..." article difs and I noticed that you had completely rewritten the article. A "softer" approach would have been to add your research to the article as a "but Radkaus on the other hand states...". That way the present sourced information stays and your content is added as a supplement with a different view. But yes, write your piece first in your sandbox and ask the two editors who oppose you to comment on it before merging it into the present article. As an outsider who has no opinion on the whole matter, this would seem like the best strategy. Good luck! - Takeaway (talk) 23:49, 19 September

2014 (UTC)

Youre right, its sort of risky for any greenhorn to tell the old hands in an article what they done wrong in the past. However, Misplaced Pages entries may have a long history (the med article started with something like "big pond beteen africa and europe") but still may lacking major informations or may be plainly wrong at all. I mean ist sort of funny, that the usual suspects write large entries about the invasion of alien shells via the Suez or, climate change (yawn), but completely ignore real hazards and environmental issues that may actually cost thousands of human life and are recussing regularly. Tsunamis happen as well in the Med and they will be much more dangerous in the future, as the costlines are overpopulated. Serten (talk) 00:29, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

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I take the notion and will refrain from complete reverts in the article. I dont suffer foolls gladly - and I normally trust wp to be based on scientific evidence. That said, if a article claims easy proven false factual evidence, I doubt the principle of consesus. And I share the opinions expressed in Misplaced Pages:Don't revert due solely to "no consensus", e.g. I dont like it is no base for a discussion, but scholarly sources of the rank of Radkau, Ostrom and Grove should be, independent wether they have a german, jewish or, even worse, Cambridge or Yale university press background ;) Serten (talk) 09:04, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

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• I did so. Thnx for the review! Serten (talk) 13:45, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

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Is there a commons category on that? Hafspajen (talk) 18:51, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

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No, especially the black and white pics had no appropriate categories at all. Thats to be introduced still. Serten (talk) 19:07, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Do you know how to make commons categories? Hafspajen (talk) 19:10, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Let's say, I am able to get the basic pictures and able to use hotcat as well in Commons. But I have some bad experiences in the de WP with attempts for deeper reaching changes in the category trees. Serten (talk) 19:13, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Can imagine.... Hafspajen (talk) 19:21, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

completely failed to get a common categeory stereotype in deWP, they just didnt want to believe it was a a reasonable cat. That said, I dont edit there anymore, but I believe the enWP system is more flexible. Serten (talk) 19:29, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Hafspajen - I think something like is more suitable for the article. Just be bold and edict directly into the draft, if you get something suitable, ist OK as well just to provide links as with Louis Maurer . Serten (talk) 14:56, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Well, I don't know what YOU think it is suitable for it, so I am putting images on your talk to be possibly used. Hafspajen (talk) 15:19, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Ah point is, as long we dont clash in the article, you never know what I might suppose being usefull. I even promise to listen to you now and then. Anyway, I need more text than images in the meanwhile and you helped me a lot already. I think there is need for better categories, if you have any Idea I will tag what we have collected so far as well. Serten (talk) 18:12, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Only thing I can say is that I also was crazy about indians and read each and every Karl May I could find. But nowadays it is not easy to find the in libraries ... they removed them, the last time I asked. Hafspajen (talk) 19:21, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Talkback Renewable resource

Please read WP:RS

Facebook is not a reliable source for anything. Arutz Sheva (settler news) is not a reliable source for leftists. Haaretz is a reliable source which is why I used it (so your comment "I doubt Haaretz is crap" makes no sense). You need to read WP:NPOV too since your edits don't even try to be balanced. If you want to attack someone you don't like, do it somewhere other than Misplaced Pages. Zero 09:05, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

The sourcing was copied from the Uni article section. I did some correction, as far as you points are valid. I dont think however one needs to be leftist to edit in WP. Arutz Sheva has a political flavor, which is to be taken into account. Better than anything Pallywood. RLS / the rosalux foundation has been rather explicit, so I used the official press release of RLS. Serten (talk) 09:25, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

"Paly", and "Palywood" as you just used it are racist words. Zero 13:36, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

??? Does it make "according to palestinian sources" any more reliable ? Serten (talk) 13:44, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

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Can you please understand that quotes in German language should be included only when quotes in English are not available. The subject of Renewable resource is not a German subject.

Can you also bring a reference to back up your claim about renewable resources being on non-food resources! you have completely changed the article without following the consensus and your theories appear inappropriate. So please do not be childish and stop edit wars which are unproductive. Use the article talk page and behave as a civilised person. --Christophe Krief (talk) 15:11, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

The scholalry definition used for the articles lede is and was in german, and it was quite clear about non food. You have been editwarring against the reference you ask for. Serten (talk) 15:27, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks for helping, but don't get yourself in revert-trouble, - it's not worth it ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:41, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Gerda, one of the reasons I refrain from editing the infobox meta sphere was me I burning my fingers with the high and mighty in deWP. The German discussions about the use of star for "born" (Venus! Mary! Pagan! Christian!) and Dagger/Cross for Death (Crucifix! Christian! German!) biographical articles lede are rather muddy. Form der Lebensdaten in der Einleitung von Personenartikeln. I then had used sign language as an argument - [http://www.lifeprint.com/asl101/pages-signs/g/germany.htm The sign for Germany is either an eagle or a Pickelhaube, Israeli deaf started with a swastika (sic!), either refering to the importance of stereotypes as base for Visual Literacy ;) However some of the points which succeeded in keeping Cross and Dagger are applicable as well to the infobox case.

• Quote" Für die genealogischen Zeichen sprechen deren intuitive Erkennbarkeit, kultur- und sprachübergreifende Zugänglichkeit und technologische Entwicklungen (vgl. de:Canvas (HTML-Element)), die Grafik und Text weiter zusammenführen. Sie verbessern Leseführung und Verständlichkeit im Sinne der Visual literacy auch für an Schriftzeichensprachen geschulte Leser und vermindern Verwechslungen mit anderen Zeitangaben. In Brailleschrift (als + oder *) sind sie einfach darzustellen."

Thats said, the stricter infoboxes require a certain row and order and the more they use good symbols, they better they become. But it takes a long and hard way to find the right ones. WP is not the right place for that, better refer to DIN, IEC or other standards, DIN 5008 in case of the cross. Feel free to use that for your discussions. Serten (talk) 21:23, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

If I learned on thing on WP it's patience ;) - I try to stick to 2 comments per discussion and 1 revert. So many topics are missing, - fighting takes too much time. - Look at Rigoletto, now archived: after endless discussions we found out that one of the opponents of an infobox thought it has to represent the article. A simple misunderstanding. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:30, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Reginald's Tower

Hi, With regard to the above (https://en.wikipedia.org/Reginald%27s_Tower) I have a reference from a recently published book by the Waterford City historian and Director of the Waterford museum saying that "Reginald's Tower is the oldest civic building in Ireland" and it also states that "The tower is the only urban monument in Ireland to retain its Norse of Viking name" - McEneaney, Eamonn (2001). Discover Waterford. O'Brien Press.p. 70. (ISBN 9780862786564.)

I would like to place that in the first paragraph since its present form depreciates its true story. I would like to replace the present text with those two lines. Nmwalsh (talk) 09:34, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Never ask for allowance, better beg for forgiveness ;) I however prefer that as an addition, not as an ersatz for the previous version. Serten (talk) 09:43, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

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Edith Piaf

Hello Serten. Earlier today you edited the Edith Piaf page, adding information re. her performances in World War 2 and the Nazis. You added this information to the -Singing career- section; however, I think the material would be better placed into the next following section -World War Two- which focuses on the issue directly. The organization and flow of the page would be better too, IMHO. -Xenxax (talk) 14:09, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I am OK with moving part6 of the content. Serten (talk) 15:02, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Serten. Am glad you're OK about it. -Xenxax (talk) 15:14, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Youre welcome. I have however erased the Amazon "source" and done some corrections. The one two two was no social gathering, but a bordello with a piano and stage :) I think we should translate the Patrick Buisson entry, hes a controversial person, but the alleged Années érotiques helped Piaf forge her career for sure. Serten (talk) 15:28, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

The changes look very good. Good idea also to rename the -World War Two- section. -Role during the German Occupation- is a much better description for the topic. As for Patrick Buisson, I see he has an extensive page on the French Misplaced Pages; would definitely be worth translating to English, though my French-speaking skills are basically non-existant. Thanks for making the changes; am glad I wrote to you. -Xenxax (talk) 15:56, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

De rien, on verra. ;) Serten (talk) 16:37, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

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My reverts of copyvio at Queen of sheba

What's your problem with those? We've got a firm policy on copyvio. Dougweller (talk) 10:51, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Or did you mean El Cazangero ‎- you replied to me which is why I'm asking. Dougweller (talk) 12:29, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

It was about El Cazangeros resent deletes. Serten (talk) 17:15, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I suspect he'll assume it was aimed at me, since he, at least last month, didn't accept or understand our policy on copyright. Dougweller (talk) 18:12, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

I went through the text he reverted and did a smaller change in the lede, where he might have had a point, but reverted the rest. So far he has not reacted. Serten (talk) 05:51, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

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Sorry not my topic. Serten (talk) 04:10, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

List... Arbom

I suggest getting clarification and action on the existing arbitration decisions, especially on William M. Connolley's topic ban. You're being treated like dirt by the editors, though they do have a point when they say that they're having a difficult time understanding some of the language you use and the concerns that you have. --Ronz (talk) 21:13, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

User:Stephan Schulz point about my use of "post-modernist claims about science" is not as bad as it seems, social scientists get more and more involved in climate issues, a traditional keep of self announced "hard scientists". I have a backgound bridging that gap, have to try to improve understandability from my side but ask others to accept humanities / social science as science. Here I do so by inviting others to have a look on my articles. Serten (talk) 21:50, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

I didn't realize that you were backing some of your arguments with your own work. I don't think you'll get anywhere with that line of reasoning. --Ronz (talk) 00:46, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

I dont get your point probably. I am not using my own work, be it in science or as a publisher. I was accused of not being able to write proper English or to come to a consensus, therefore I mentioned some articles I have written, where that was not an issue. I am an experienced (de)WP editor, but have no experience at all with enWP arbitration etc mechanims. The learning curve is steep at the moment ;) Serten (talk) 00:57, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

And I don't understand yours.

Given the recent discussions on notability and inclusion criteria, I started this discussion on what policies/guidelines apply and how. I hope this helps. --Ronz (talk) 19:24, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

User talk:Ronz, lets do it like this, I explain my point here, if you're ok with the wording, lets copy it to the discussion, if not, lets reword it. Feel free to do changes yourself. OK? 23:35, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

draft (free to edit)

• WP:NLIST contains the following notion Furthermore, every entry in any such list requires a reliable source attesting to the fact that the named person is a member of the listed group. Compare a list of bird species. We need sources for each species, that confirm "this is a bird", its not at all allowed to put up rules (can fly, has wings, lays eggs) und start to debate wether to include Pterosaur or not. But that is the case with the sceptics list. We have OR based inclusion criteria, hand picked from outdated reports which are being used to measure the degree of scepticism. Far from proper sourcing. That said, the list currently is not at all noteable. Instead we need sources that state explicitely, that scientist XY is not within the mainstream.
• You havent mentioned WP:COP so far. Rather important. "Categorization of articles must be verifiable. It should be clear from verifiable information in the article why it was placed in each of its categories." However the list is being used as base of a category (climate sceptics) involving 87 people, which are not mentioned within the list and a large part of them would never ever be allowed to bmentioned on the list. Take e.g. Inhofe, O'Reilly, Morano. To categorize them with reference to the article is against WP:COP and against WP:Bio.
• With regard to "no propaganda", the list currently doesn't include scientists, that are more alarmist than the IPCC mainstream. That said, it doesnt aim to fullfill its own criteria (mainstream has, as any river, two shores) but is a onesided, partisan exclusion tool against sceptics. Serten (talk) 23:35, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

comments on draft

First version done. Serten (talk) 23:35, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

NLIST- Editors believe that the statements by the scientists meet the criteria that each entry has a reliable source. The problem isn't that no sources exist, but that they require detailed analysis from editors to determine whether or not the entry is indeed a member of the group. Yes, this is a problem. However, I don't see any wording in any policy or guideline addressing how to resolve this problem.

COP applies to categories, not lists.

SOAP ("no propaganda") - I don't understand. My point is that I think the only way we can find consensus that SOAP is not being violated is to clearly meet notability requirements, including having inclusion criteria that is not biased.

In general, I'm trying to get editors to specifically identify which notability criteria apply. It appears that current consensus (or lack thereof) rests on the article being a navigational list, and that by declaring it as such, SOAP and most of NLIST can be safely ignored, especially the notability of the group.

I think that for any progress to be made (improvement of the article or its deletion) rests on getting agreement on which policies and guidelines apply first, then discussing how they apply, then finding consensus on the notability and inclusion criteria based upon those discussions and the sources. --Ronz (talk) 16:10, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

• requiring detailed analysis from editors instead of using external sources is the most blatant violation of "No original research" you might imagine.
• IMho WP:COP applies, as the article is being used to justify categorization of non scientists but excludes them in the artcile itself. Again Original research of the worst kind.
• a WP navigational list is not applicable for the main Misplaced Pages:Namespace. Serten (talk) 00:15, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

I agree that the analysis rather than reliance is an OR problem. Many others do as well.

Concerning WP:COP: WP:LISTPEOPLE states that WP:BLPCAT applies, which references WP:COP. So the stronger arguments would rest on BLPCAT, with mention of WP:COP, especially Misplaced Pages:Categorization_of_people#Consider_making_a_list.

Navigational lists are specifically allowed per WP:LISTN and WP:LISTPURP, but I think the article violates most of the policies in favor of LISTPURP, and editors repeatedly assume that it is fine to do so. --Ronz (talk) 17:03, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Youre much better in dealing with the right enWP:policies, but we agree on the basic issue now. Use it, I will contribute if needed.

Compare the whole "destillation" business is moonshine, original research. You better look for external sources that claim that a scientist is not within the IPCC range or is being deemed a (climate) sceptic. Thats simple and along rules.

I tagged in parallel ] - it probably doesnt stand any notablility check.

I did some work on User:Serten/IPCC consensus, feel free to contribute. Serten (talk) 17:39, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

AfD

Misplaced Pages:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_October_20#Category:Climate_change_skeptics ;)Serten (talk) 23:44, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Personal request

• Please stop telling other people what I said.
• Please stop characterizing for others what you think I said (unless its in an AE/ANI filing)
• Instead, if you would like to point to a statement I made include a WP:DIFF

Reason, you're usually putting your agenda's stamp on what I said, with the result being a change-of-meaning. If you can't articulate your own reasoning without warping my remarks, then best thing you can do is to just get out of the way. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 11:09, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

You been around with the article for years and your claims about the true rationale are as outspoken as revealing. Why should I refrain from using them? Its up to you to to provide external sourcing and an external rationale instead. Serten (talk) 11:23, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

You could be more effective by

*depersonalizing your posts

*almost never mentioning anyone else

*reducing verbiage by 90%

If you could do those things, you might realize I also want to improve the article in terms of what appears to be your core criticism (need for an RS to support the ultra distillation of the IPCC reports into the key points). Your table pounding about everything everywhere ain't helping, and your personalization of the dispute is really disruptive. So others treat you like dirt? Ignore it. Or file a brief AE complaint. But don't do everythingeverywherebecauseI'mpissedoffandfrustrated because that's not helping. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 11:49, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

You told me to avoid forum shopping, now you come up with a forum. Why so? I just ask you to adress my concerns in good faith and without further ado and abuse. If you do so, you will find me as a friendly person. Serten (talk) 12:02, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

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DYK Dominik Kuhn

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A barnstar for you!

	The Half Barnstar
	Hobby horse polo Charming article on an obscure but amusing subject. Consider this to be the editor's cheesecake equivalent. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:40, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

References

In case you want to further elaborate the issue…. NYT about Olim le Berlin — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.177.85.175 (talk) 11:05, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

PLease next time on the talk pages, thnx anyway! Nice source. Serten (talk) 14:41, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

See at Yngvadottir

DYK iconography

Serten, when you add an icon to your review comment, please place it at the very beginning of your comment. People can tell at a glance, then, what the result is (approval or not), since the icon is the leftmost thing to see. When the icon is buried in the middle of text, perhaps even far right, it just doesn't get seen very well. Thanks.

Can I also ask you to please clarify what you meant with your last comment on your Bardentreffen nomination? I have no idea what to do with the nomination at this point. Much appreciated. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:25, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Will do so, thnx! I dont watch or edit Bardentreffen any more, so its OK to redraw. Serten (talk) 06:41, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure you mean "withdraw", as in cancel the nomination. I'll mark it as withdrawn, but hold off for a bit in case I've misunderstood you. Thanks for your patience! BlueMoonset (talk) 08:22, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

If someone else clarifies the issues, its OK with me. But I won't do. Serten (talk) 08:28, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Come, Ye Thankful People, Come

I have responded to your concern at Template:Did you know nominations/Come, Ye Thankful People, Come. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 08:38, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

• I answered as well ;) airman, fly to the sun ;) Serten (talk) 09:03, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Olim le Berlin & הקרב על המיליקי

Hi, I just wanted to let you know that you made a mistake in linking the Hebrew article of הקרב על המילקי to "Olim le Berlin". The Heberw article is about a TV commercial ad called הקרב על המילקי advertising the "Milki" product during the late 80s, which was such apopular ad that now days people also named the protess of the Israelis in Berlin after the "הקרב על המילקי" in reference to that popular TV ad... --Midrashah (talk) 17:29, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

HI, as said, the Israeli press uses the title of the commercial (Battle of the milky) as well for the Olim le Berlin case, as mentioned in the lede. Can you tell them? My hebrew is non existant ;) Serten (talk) 19:30, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

My apologies, I don't quite understand...tell who? --Midrashah (talk) 21:03, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Here you can watch the commercial הקרב על על המילקי (video): --Midrashah (talk) 21:07, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Its already in the article, thnx. Can you tell heWP, on the article talk page of המילקי ? currently they doubt their own articles notability, which is ridiculous. If they expand it based on our sources and stuff, everybody is satisfied. Serten (talk) 21:11, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

They dont like to rush to turn every headline in the newspapers into an article, they are much more carefull than enWP, I'll leave a message there but you can also do that - eveyone there speaks English he:שיחה:מילקי --Midrashah (talk) 21:23, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

I am sort of shy ;), great if you do Serten (talk) 21:29, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Eurafrique

Hi Serten,

I've had a quick look at the article in question. I'm afraid that there seems to be quite a lot of WP:OR contained within it, and it could do with attention from a native English speaker too but the most pressing thing by far is the lack of page numbers - there is no point in inline citations without them! I suggest nominating it with the Guild of Copy Editors. Best wishes, —Brigade Piron (talk) 08:30, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Thnx for the quick answer. I work mostly with a variety of sources, without page numbers is much better than having none at all and for any controversial issues I would be able to provide them. That said, I keep that in mind and I will have a look on that "CE" guild, wasn't aware that applies as well to WP ;) Serten (talk) 08:37, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Dominik Kuhn

On 20 October 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Dominik Kuhn, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that German TV broadcaster ZDF used Dominik Kuhn's (Dodokay's) fandub of a Romney-Obama debate to start reporting on the outcome of the 2012 U.S. presidential election? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Dominik Kuhn. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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TheRedPenOfDoom is angry about my lack of doom and me

to remove sourced content with crypto comment and then claim you were fixing disruptive editing. its hard to see any reason to assume good faith. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 03:14, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Wow. Ball was member of a club and that club received a third of its income of the oily poily. And? As said, scientists dont come as cheap and they choose their clubs on opinion, not the other way round. Alexander Zaitchik may have great knowledge about Tinfoil hats, but has no idea at all about science. If you have a science based source around, come back. Till then, leave that smear out of the article and stop bullying around here. Serten (talk) 03:27, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Suidae Award

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Scientific opinion on climate change

Please self-revert, since you are beyond WP:3RR by now (1st2nd3rd4th). --Kim D. Petersen 10:06, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

I appreciate the warning but see no reason for a self revert. Its about different content in two different cases. So far I am the only one using valid sources on the talk page and the second tag is full in line with the discussion. If that article is NOT about the IPCC, then reduce redundancy. I am quite amused about Michael Oppermann's essay being deemed "personal-only". Seems we have to list him as opposing the mainstream, bad boy is he, Yoda said. Serten (talk) 10:19, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

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