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You are blocked for revert war in Babri Mosque article. Please discuss your disagreements in article talk page. Fior example, your comment "Babar did NOT come after Aurangzeb, read history, Huzoor" is both rude and useless. You must provede the reference in the talk page rather than insult people. `'mikka (t) 17:05, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I should add that 'Janaab' is not an insult. It means 'Sir' in Persian/Urdu. I may have used it sarcastically, but sarcasm is not insulting as such. Plus, this Anwar sadat bloke (plz see history of the article) rattled the saber first. Nonetheless, I appreciate your attention to this matter.(Pusyamitra Sunga 12:00, 10 July 2006 (UTC))

Just for the sake of good order, I would translate the words:"Babar did NOT come after Aurangzeb, read history, Huzoor" = My dear Sir, please read history. Aurangzeb did not precede Babur. --Bhadani 16:31, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Just for more good order, sarcasm is insult. Both "read history, Huzoor" and "My dear Sir, please read history" are rudeness, the latter being polite rudeness. Also, I said it was a rude and useless comment. This comment does not help to improve the aticle nor helps your opponent to see your point; it only attacks another editor. `'mikka (t) 18:06, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps you are right. Nonetheless, his comments, as well as his edits, were equally insulting, they were highly racist and ethnocentric. Yet, he is not censured. I find that very interesting.(Pusyamitra Sunga 20:09, 10 July 2006 (UTC))

Sockpuppet

"Nein Mein Freund" gives you away Netaji. It is used in your ( Netaji's) discussion on the Hindutva talk page and you have used it in your revert to Anwar Sadat. Haphar 13:45, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Nein Mein Freund. Netaji is my brother. We think alike. (Pusyamitra Sunga 13:48, 10 July 2006 (UTC)) ( Please check history of page- Pusyamita/Netaji had said "Pusyamitra is my brother", and has edited it to cover his tracks. Haphar 15:00, 10 July 2006 (UTC))

Netaji you forgot this is the Pusyamitra page :-) Q.E.D as you said elsewhere ? Haphar 13:53, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

We edit each other's stuff. So what? Kyaa karoge bhai? Notice that we have different ips.(Pusyamitra Sunga 13:58, 10 July 2006 (UTC))( Please note Netaji/Pusyamitra has edited "Kya karega be" to make it "kya karoge bhai"- making it non offensive more editing to cover tracks. Haphar 15:06, 10 July 2006 (UTC))

Nice try but does not change the fact that it's the same user. As admitted ( by mistake) by you. Plus your language is not very nice here. "Kya karoge bhai" shows a loss of temper and aggressiveness. It is threatening and not polite. Might have worked in IIT but would not on Wiki. Haphar 14:04, 10 July 2006 (UTC) ( Please note Netaji/Pusyamitra has edited "kya karega be" to make it "kya karoge bhai"- making it non offensive, and more editing to cover tracks. Haphar 15:06, 10 July 2006 (UTC))

Sorry, you can't prove that in any reasonable way. We win, you lose. Bye. (Pusyamitra Sunga 14:05, 10 July 2006 (UTC))

Check your user page ( original) for more proof. Haphar 14:15, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Proof? What proof? You have baseless allegations. No proof?(Pusyamitra Sunga 14:19, 10 July 2006 (UTC))

More Proof

Here's more proof . Haphar 14:44, 10 July 2006 (UTC) Putting it again as Pusyamitra/Netaji had deleted this. Haphar 14:56, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Flame war ?

I did not use the language, you did. You asked what I could do, and then said I cannot prove anything, so I have given the proof. You then started to delete and edit your own comments. I found your comment "kya karega be" VERY provocative, and "We win you lose" does not add to your tone either. Also from the proof given, you are Netaji and some of the stuff that was on the userpage was very fundamentalist. And the response on Hindutva page where you talked of a country for Hindu's and no secularism ? Just goes further to reinforce that extreme right wing POV. Haphar 15:38, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I was presenting a view held by Hindutva advocates, as taken from the Hindutva charter. I was not implying any POV on my part. I constantly wrote "They claim that", 'they contend that', always third person, never first. How am I being 'fundamentalist'? It is you who is being reactionary. Please get an education in the art of writing.Plus, any inflammatory language from my page has been removed, and I have not objected. I agree with that decision. What is with your intense hatred for all things Hindu, anyway? Did you not learn anything about our way of life in school, at home? Whay should all Hindus have to suffer for the errors in one person's upbringing? Is that fair? Think objectively.(Pusyamitra Sunga 15:44, 10 July 2006 (UTC))

Let me quote you from your response to a comment of mine on Talk:Hindutva:-

"We believe in democracy, but, like Neoconservatives, we do not believe in secularism. Secularism and democracy do not go hand in hand. That is a false contention. We aim to be a democratic Hindu Rashtra, much like Israel is a democratic Jewish State. We want Hindu Vedic, pauranic,Shastric, and karmic values incorporated into the executive, lgislative and Judiciary systems in India for the benefit of all Indians and to create a uniquely Indian democracy (instead of imitating a useless and outdated british system, as India is doing today)."

Now these comments are selective and not representative of all you say there , but the main point to note is the "we". So it does seem you do subscribe to these points of view.

And where is the anti Hindu accusation coming from ? If I say that language and science should be the basis to decide origin of Indian civilisation and not selective opinion not backed by science/lingusists I become anti Hindu ?

Also the language being removed has been your own language, removed by you in fear of permanent blocking when I reported you . So why should you be protesting ? Also where have I exhibited any hatred of anything Hindu ? I hate right wingers in all religions, be it Bhinderawale, be it islamic terrorists, or be it kar sewaks tearing down mosques and refusing the rule of law, or mobs lynching policemen for a police station being built on land claimed to be belonging to a mosque. I am an Indian, proud of my heritage and country and not letting religion decide my nationhood.To end again your comments on upbringing are insulting, condescending and assumptive. Haphar 16:31, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

While it's probably not a good idea to get into debates here, I should point out that your view, while admirable on an abstract level, is hopelessly outdated. The whole world is shifting 'to the right' and faith-based governments are everywhere, in countries far more succesful than our own. Countries such as the US are now almost fully Christianized, and Israel fully Judaized. Both countries are more successful democracies than India, and a religious/economic war is under way with the muslims. Unless we Hinduize the nation, we will be in big trouble, as secularism and socialism will not provide us the unity we need when they come to destroy us.

Anyway, while I admit I support hindutva, I have not reflected that bias anywhere in any of my edits. I have always been scholarly and detached in my edits to the article (though I railed on some muslims in the talk page, it felt good; I won't apologize for that. They spread gigabytes of hate speech against Hindus and all non-muslims on the internet, and my little rant fazed them so much that they whined to wikipedia moderators).Understand this, I am

trying to keep these articles from being vandalized by muslim fundamentalists and their sympathizers. So, I suggest that, instead of wasting your time on me, watch the following users: http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Anwar_saadat http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Lkadvani

Both of these users have a history of vandalism (see http://en.wikipedia.org/WT:INWNB#User%3AAnwar_Saadat) on articles on Hinduism and Hindu politics. I have tried to negotiate with both of them and have failed. I suggest you monitor these users for further acts of vandalism against articles on the Gujarat etaliation (2002 Gujarat Violence), the Ramjanmabhoomi formerly Babri Masjid and other articles. I may be incapable of educating you enough to reduce your hostility towards your own people, but I ask you to observe a scholarly attitude when viweing edits, regardless of your personal biases.(Pusyamitra Sunga 16:46, 10 July 2006 (UTC))

Part 1

U.K, China, Russia, Canada, Spain, Brazil, Columbia, Venezuala, Bolivia do not have faith based government- In terms of Geography and number of humans this alone covers a near majority of the world- there are more just leaving it at this for now. On the other hand Pakistan, Afghanistan, Nepal ( till recently a Hindu monarchy) and arguably Bangladesh do have faith based government. So much for the success of faith based govt in our region- so does Saudi Arabia, and now Somalia have faith based govt, neither are something worth aspiring for. And by this logic of yours I should root for Khalistan, and India should look to lose another 20 % of it's size as the minorities all look for their own faith based govt's. Plus we should get out of Kashmir.- This is if one goes by your faith based govt logic. Haphar 18:46, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

==Part 2==

After first claiming to be writing about Hindutva and not neccecarily beleiving in it's tenets, now that you have owned up to having the more extreme vision of Hindutva, let me say that you calling others fundamentalist is a bit two faced, you have an extreme POV which is not agreed to by all, so whoever opposes the extreme POV is called anti Hindu. It reminds one of a pot calling a kettle _ _ _ _ _ .Haphar 18:59, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Part 3

You accuse me of being anti my own people. ( at least the 6th attempt to insult me so far ,Let me list your attempts out :-

• your ignorance is understandable,
• kay karega be,
• your lack of upbringing,
• learn how to write,
• get an education and now this. So while you now try and couch your language with niceties in fear of blcoks, the basic nature peeps through. Let me reiterate , IF I defined my people as you do then I would root for Khalistan. And if being anti right wing of any religion is being anti that religion then I am an atheist and against all religions. It is easy to sit in Austin Texas and claim America is a right wing religion inspired government, but if the Americans were as right wing as you ( kill all Christian missionaries as you stated) then you would have been in deep trouble. Haphar 19:14, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

The fact remains that (I'm not in Austin, my brother is. I'm in San Marcos near Austin) America is a government swarmed in religiosity. They are not fundamentalists, and neither am I. And Israel is one of the most successful countries in the world, and it is immersed in Judaism, and it is a democracy. Your self-hatred, if you'll pardon the expression, is obvious from the fact that you refuse to acknowledge the Islamist bias of the Anwar saadat user, while attacking my apparent 'Hundutva fanaticism' or whatever. I don't advocate killing off all the muslims (though I'll admit it'd feel damn good to get back at them for what they did to us for 900 years). I do advocate minority status for muslims. Non-Christians in America DO have a minority status. Churches are built on state property, but mosques, temples (both Hindu and Jewish), Gurdwaras etc are NOT. Excessive equality is a mistake, and Americans realize that. The fact remains that white anglo-saxon christians will always be the dominant force in America. They define the American ethos, the American culture. In contrast, Hindus have no such status in India. The Hindu majority is persecuted by the communist leaning Indian government in favor of muslims and crypto-Christians. Crypto-Christians in India enjoy a higher status than Southern baptists in America (!). All this, combined with the fact that India is a stinking hellhole of a country compared to America, Israel, or even SAUDI ARABIA (wtf!) , marred in massive poverty and mismanagement of the communist government (worst states in India like West Bengal are run by communist govts; Maharashtra and Gujarat are among the most prosperous, and are run by Shiv Sainiks and RSS de-facto). Clearly, separation of religion and state is a failure, secularism is a failure, since the most successful countries in the world are non-secular.

As for insults, I'm trying to get you to see the grave injustice that is hapenning right here on wikipedia, Libel, Slander and Defamation against Hindus by terrorist-sympathisers like Anwar Saadat, who is being watched by users like Nobleeagle for POV, and yet, you are so blinded by your self-hatred that you can't see the truth. People like you frustrate me, and so I lashed out. It was a natural reaction.(Pusyamitra Sunga 03:43, 11 July 2006 (UTC))

Who is a Fundamentalist ?

Please read Pusyamitra Sunga article in wikipedia. He seems to have 2 claims to fame . 1 Killing the last Maurya king and 2- Killing Budhists. Now you see why you fail to convince anyone that you are not fundamentalist ? Haphar 16:55, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I am aware of Pusyamitra's history. Just because I adopt his name does not mean I am a fundamentalist. Christopher Columbus was a fanatical Christian and slaughtered the entire Arawak tribes of the West Indies, yet there is a university named after him. Are they all fanatics in Columbus University in Ohio? What about the students in St. Xavier's college (read Xavier's articel on wikipedia, he slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Hindus)? Are they all fundamentalists?(Pusyamitra Sunga 17:01, 10 July 2006 (UTC))

Oh, and Sunga is a highly msiunderstood king and the negative perception of him is the reult of Buddhist revisionism. Read Koenraad Elsts paper on him (http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/articles/ayodhya/pushyamitra.html). Like I said, nothing is more valuable than a good education. I abjectly advise you to get one. (Pusyamitra Sunga 17:23, 10 July 2006 (UTC))

The people studying in Columbus/ Xaviers do not choose the name ,there are not studying there because of Columbus/ Xavier but because of the education provided. Pusyamitra is not a very public figure, and if one knows about him one knows about what he has been accussed of, if you still choose to adopt a name ( rather than go to school with a name- a different matter) then you does so knowing of the controversy associated with it.

Your insinuations are not as sublime as you think, it would be better if one first does not mistake knowing just writers that support your point of veiw as education. And if despite all these claims to education all you can do is say "kya karega be" then what's the use of this so called education ? Haphar 18:37, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

That was just for effect. Learn to take it like a man, my friend. What will you do when a terrorist comes at you with a machette? Are you going to try to block him from editing wikipedia?(Pusyamitra Sunga 19:54, 10 July 2006 (UTC))

Using abusive language and insults is not manliness nor does it equate fighing terrorists. But then one would have to be "educated" to realise that. Haphar 23:28, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Apparently not enough to see when they do exactly the same thing all over the internet. Fortunately there are Indians who are not as blind as you. (Pusyamitra Sunga 01:12, 11 July 2006 (UTC))

Ahhh ! So you have seen terrorists with machettes all over the internet ? And what a great way to fight terrorists, attack them on wiki ! (So much better than getting them blocked right ?) So I guess thanks to you insulting terrorists on wiki, Kashmir will be rid of terror starting today ? Haphar 08:10, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Shiv Sena

Hey, it's sleepy time for me so I can't monitor the situation. The best I can do from my side is to protect the page from POV pushing until differences are sorted on the Talk page. =Nichalp «Talk»= 17:11, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Please don't call people an Islamic fundamentalist no matter what they do here. See WP:NPA. =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:16, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I will, on the same century that they stop calling people Hindu Fundamentalists. That, too, is a violation of WP:NPA(Pusyamitra Sunga 19:51, 10 July 2006 (UTC))

User notice: temporary 3RR block

Regarding reversions made on July 10 2006 (UTC) to 2002 Gujarat violence

You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future.

Thank you for notifying me. I find it interesting that the user Anwar saadat has also violated the 3RR rule and he has not been blocked. This bias is highly disappointing.(Pusyamitra Sunga 19:57, 10 July 2006 (UTC))

Response to WikiSceptic (place on his talk page once block is clear)

Thanks once again! I am fully willing to negotiate with anyone, including Pushyamitra, on the contents of the article. However, three points:

• • I do not understand how the Marathi can be the "original" nor "natives" of the Konkan, instead of the Konkani **people. If the Konkan belongs to the Marathi, not the Konkani, where do the Konkani belong? In the sea?

• No, Konkanis are essentially Marathi with a slightly different language.

• The pretension that because no government in India has declared the Shiv Sena a terrorist organization, and *because it is recognized as a legally registered political party, it is not a terrorist outfit. On that basis, *
• Hitler's Nazi party was not a terrorist org at all!

• NO, they weren't terrorists. They were mass murderers. Mass murder is a subset of terrorism, but it is also one of *others. Muslim Fundamentalists are terrorists. They are recognized by every government in the world ("Zionist *Occupied", according to their fascinating psychopathology) as terrorists. No official authority recognises them as *terrorists, so they are not terrorists. Too Bad for you.

• The pretension that India is an isolated case, and precedents from around the world, from the common experiences *of humanity cannot be applied to Indian situations and events, is nonsensical and racist, based on the old Hindu *notions of constituting the full world in itself, the rest of mankind being fringe barbarians (Mlecchas).

• Please tell me how this is relevant here. It's just another Piece of Islamist propaganda.But it won't work, 'cause *the CIA and NSA aren;t watching Hindus, they're watching muslims. Too bad, again

(Pusyamitra Sunga 20:18, 10 July 2006 (UTC))

Indef-block

Your email to me from the same address as User:Subhash bose tells me that you are his sockpuppet and have used it to evade blocks and 3rr. This account has been indefintely blocked.Blnguyen | rant-line 05:11, 11 July 2006 (UTC)