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== Biology == | == Biology == | ||
* * ] by ], 1894 ] (]) 11:07, 19 June 2014 (UTC) | * * ] by ], 1894 ] (]) 11:07, 19 June 2014 (UTC) | ||
* ] by ] | |||
* ] by Ernst Stromer | |||
* ] by Ernst Stromer | |||
* ], the largest known theropod, by Ernst Stromer | |||
* Giant crocodilian ] by Ernst Stromer | |||
== Media == | |||
* ] by ], 1884 ] (]) 23:41, 30 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
* first functional steam-powered ] by ] with his colleague ] | |||
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== More missing German inventions and discoveries in list == | |||
* Discovery of ] by ] | |||
* Discovery and description of ] by ] (also Graves) | |||
* ] by ] | |||
* ] by ] | |||
* Glass ] by ] | |||
* Contact lenses in ] by ] | |||
* Discovery of the organism causing diphtheria (]), ] and the cause of ] (]) by ] | |||
* ] by ] | |||
* ] by ] | |||
* ] by ] | |||
* portable ] | |||
* ] by ] | |||
* ]-machine by ] | |||
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Also missing first worldwide social system: | |||
* 1883: ''Krankenversicherung'' (Health insurance) | |||
* 1884: ''Unfallversicherung'' (Accident insurance) | |||
* 1889: ''Gesetzliche Rentenversicherung'' (Pension insurance) | |||
--] (]) 15:19, 1 November 2014 (UTC) | |||
Germany has the world's oldest national ] system in 1883. Britain was later in 1911. | |||
Also first wordlwide accident insurance in 1884. ] (]) |
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National invention categories and criteria for inclusion
Raised at WP:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_April_29#Category:Inventions_by_country. Your contributions are welcomed. Andy Dingley (talk) 12:44, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Editwar with engish writer User:BikerBiker in June 2013
How can User:Biker Biker revert an edit, in which Petri dish, Schlenk flask or Büchner flask are mentioned as German inventions ? That's true and for each reader sure, that these chemical instruments were invented in Germany. 88.70.24.37 (talk) 11:53, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Also Taximeter by Friedrich Wilhelm Gustav Bruhn, Abbe refractometer by Ernst Abbe and Daimler Victoria, the world's first meter-equipped (and gasoline-powered) taxicab, built by Gottlieb Daimler in 1897, were German inventions, that is sure. 88.70.24.37 (talk) 11:54, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
And last but not least Copernican heliocentrism and Copernican revolution by Nicolaus Copernicus were German discoveries. Copernicus was a German astronom and each teacher and also normally each person in the world should know who Nicolaus Copernicus was 88.70.24.37 (talk) 11:57, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
So if noone answer here, i will revert the incorrect edit by User:Biker Biker in some days. 88.70.24.37 (talk) 12:07, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- Did you cite these new additions? If not, then it's entirely proper to revert them.
- As to Copernicus, then he was Prussian, which was part of Poland. Policy is still unclear as to how we categorise such historical inventions, but there is no strong evidence to describe this as "Germanic". Andy Dingley (talk) 12:23, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- Nicolaus Copernicus was born in a German family. His parents were from German origin. 88.70.24.37 (talk) 14:31, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- Really? AFAIK, he was Silesian. This is just one of the problems with these nationalistic invention categories - boundaries have shifted over time. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:49, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
A Silesian man is a German man. 88.70.24.37 (talk) 16:33, 12 June 2013 (UTC) The mothers name was Barbara Watzenrode. "Watzenrode" is a German surname. 88.70.24.37 (talk) 16:37, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- It is a remarkable stretch of the imagination to consider Silesia in the 15th century to be "German"! Andy Dingley (talk) 18:45, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- Silesia was at that time part of Lands of the Bohemian Crown, which were a part of the Holy Roman Empire BremaRoman (talk) 20:37, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- Agreed that Silesia was Bohemian, and that it had an allegiance to (although also considerable independence within) the Holy Roman Empire. So can Germany (if such a region can be identified at this time) have a similar relation to the Holy Roman Empire. However claiming that "the Holy Roman Empire is Germany" is ludicrous. Claiming that this degree of membership to the Holy Roman Empire makes somewhere "German" would also make parts of France and Italy to be German too. This just doesn't stand up. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:18, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- Copernicus wasn't from Bohemia. There are no reliable sources which call him German . There's oodles which call him Polish "Polish+Astronomer"&btnG=Search+Books&tbm=bks&tbo=.Volunteer Marek 06:55, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- Copernicus himself wasn't Bohemian, but the family had roots there (see "Silesia" above). Neither Copernicus the individual nor his family have any credible grounds for claiming them as "German". Andy Dingley (talk) 11:07, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- Both sides of his family where from Silesia, but that doesn't imply either German or Polish by itself. Coincidentally or not they began leaving Silesia right around the time when the Polish Piasts finally lost control over it and it transferred to Bohemia (mid 14th century). This is basically a more precise way of saying "Silesia =/ Bohemia". I agree with the rest.Volunteer Marek 21:59, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- Copernicus himself wasn't Bohemian, but the family had roots there (see "Silesia" above). Neither Copernicus the individual nor his family have any credible grounds for claiming them as "German". Andy Dingley (talk) 11:07, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- Copernicus wasn't from Bohemia. There are no reliable sources which call him German . There's oodles which call him Polish "Polish+Astronomer"&btnG=Search+Books&tbm=bks&tbo=.Volunteer Marek 06:55, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- BremaRoman, are you just another EuropeFan sockpuppet? Andy Dingley (talk) 21:21, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- Agreed that Silesia was Bohemian, and that it had an allegiance to (although also considerable independence within) the Holy Roman Empire. So can Germany (if such a region can be identified at this time) have a similar relation to the Holy Roman Empire. However claiming that "the Holy Roman Empire is Germany" is ludicrous. Claiming that this degree of membership to the Holy Roman Empire makes somewhere "German" would also make parts of France and Italy to be German too. This just doesn't stand up. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:18, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- Silesia was at that time part of Lands of the Bohemian Crown, which were a part of the Holy Roman Empire BremaRoman (talk) 20:37, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- It is a remarkable stretch of the imagination to consider Silesia in the 15th century to be "German"! Andy Dingley (talk) 18:45, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- Büchner flask and Büchner funnel
- Jensen, William B. (September 2006). "The Origins of the Hirsch and Büchner Vacuum Filtration Funnels" (PDF). Journal of Chemical Education. 83 (9): 1283. Bibcode:2006JChEd..83.1283J. doi:10.1021/ed083p1283.
88.70.24.37 (talk) 15:10, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
88.70.24.37 (talk) 15:18, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Firstly Holy Roman Empire = Germany. That's historical fact. Secondly, it's not "nationalistic" to call Copernicus "German". In this case, as with many, the designation has little, if not nothing to do with national origin nor citizenship. It has to do with ethnicity and ethnic origins. Ethnicity is a much broader classification than nationality. I would not be opposed to Copernicus being double listed in an article on Poles. He doesn't need to be "claimed" by one specific group, if he was a part of both, or it is ambiguous. Perhaps we should be more keen to use the adjective "Germanic" when discussing these historical characters...Presidentbalut (talk) 13:12, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
- 88.70.24.37 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) is a sockpuppet of User:Europefan. There are still a few discussions around where he abused multiple accounts to push is his POV, but he's been blocked now and he gets himself blocked every time he returns.
As far as Copernicus goes, you should probably go to Talk:Holy Roman Empire and see if you can convince everyone there that the Holy Roman Empire = Germany, and then change the article accordingly. And then go to Talk:Nicolaus Copernicus and have the Nicolaus Copernicus#Nationality section rewritten to only say that he was German. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 15:52, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
The crux of the matter is that the concept of (state-) citizenship wasn't too much developed in those days. Copernicus was part of a German-speaking minority in the state of Prussia that considered itself to be "teutsch" but was subject to the Polish king, because his hometown of Thorn had given up loalty to the State of the Teutonic Order (unlike other parts of Prussia): The safest thing would be to call him a Prussian, but as I said, there wasn't even citizenship in our sense of the word. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.203.60.22 (talk) 01:12, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
Nicolaus Copernicus
- I've said this a number of times before, but I'll repeat: these lists should contain inventions that are unambiguously attributed to one country. Lowering the criteria to include every disputed invention, every improvement to existing inventions, every inventor born in one country who did innovative work in another country (and vice versa!?), every territory that was annexed centuries after the inventor, etc, is absurd. Why not just put all inventions and discoveries on all of these countries' lists? Or have no lists at all? You can't take all the nuance involved in the disputes over whether the motorcycle was a German, French, or US invention and flatten it down to a simple list format.
If we want to educate readers about inventions and discoveries with disputed origin or multiple origins, you can make a List of disputed inventions or List of inventions with multiple origins. One of the worst intellectual crimes that Misplaced Pages regularly commits is to dumb down ambiguity for the sake of generating encyclopedia content. Not everything in life can be shoehorned into a simple list. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 19:55, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
I think, if the mothers surname is "Watzenrode" then this iss enough evidence, that Copernicus should be listed in this list. 178.3.28.185 (talk) 21:48, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
sure Nicolaus Copernicus is from German descent. In Germany you can find in honour of Copernicus schools with Copernicus as name. TimmaFanta (talk) 23:40, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
- Sockpuppet accounts used in the above discussions include 178.3.28.185 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), 88.70.24.37 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), BremaRoman (talk · contribs), and TimmaFanta (talk · contribs). See Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Europefan/Archive. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 02:19, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
(personal attack removed)
- Every university students' union in England has a Nelson Mandela building, but that doesn't make him British. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:47, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
LSD
LSD - invented by Albert Hofmann Hoschdi (talk) 12:55, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
- Yes. Hofmann, who was born Swiss and working in Switzerland at the time. Not German. Andy Dingley (talk) 13:06, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Heroin
Heroin - invented by Bayer — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoschdi (talk • contribs) 12:57, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Medicine
- Discovery of Infectious mononucleosis by Emil Pfeiffer
- Discovery and description of Graves-Basedow disease by Karl Adolph von Basedow
MikelCat (talk) 11:02, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
Chemistry
MikelCat (talk) 11:03, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
Biology
- * Mitochondrion by Richard Altmann, 1894 MikelCat (talk) 11:07, 19 June 2014 (UTC)