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November 2014

Worldedixor, do you realize that you have edited PBS's page 45 times in a space of six hours? (Posting your so often stated "I am out of here" as early as the second of the 45 edits — perhaps your password was hacked and somebody else did the other 43?) And yet you state in (approximately) the tenth that "I have shown a lot of restraint today". If nothing else, I presume you realize each of those edits gives the user an alert?

Anyway. Remember when I told you "However, taking your anger with P123ct1 to other arenas, such as ANI, and hounding them there isn't acceptable either, so I suppose I'd better give you a more all-encompassing warning this time. Don't attack P123ct1 or anybody else in any way, or hound them with petty complaints, or you may be blocked"? Bold in my original. I didn't actually have to read longer than your second post on PBS's page to see that you have started up again with a vengeance. I clicked on some of your diffs purporting to show such things as P123ct1 having "called you names" (this is that particular diff), and they're ridiculous. I have blocked you indefinitely for persistent personal attacks and harassment. It seems to me you have been given many chances to desist and back off, but this is the last straw; I'm not going to tolerate it any longer. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Bishonen | talk 14:48, 5 November 2014 (UTC).

9 November 2014

QUESTIONS TO THE BLOCKING ADMIN so that I can understand what I was blocked for indefinitely:

I had a few days to calm down and reflect on this block. I feel that this indefinite block was a heavy-handed punishment considering that other editors engaging in open edit wars and multiple policy violations have received much lesser block periods or none.

QUESTION 1: REMOVED!

QUESTION 2: REMOVED!

For easy refernce, I will link to

QUESTION 3: REMOVED!

QUESTION 4: I am an editor with exceptional knowledge and my history of "article" edits are well sourced and consistent with policy. Are you aware of my good contributions to Misplaced Pages? and do you have anything encouraging to say about my always sourced "article" contributions?. If you need examples, ask.

QUESTION 5: Are you aware that many of my highly insightful and well sourced edits have been repeatedly confronted and reverted? Are you aware that I did not even do a 1RR to avoid a WP:EW? If you need examples, ask.

QUESTION 6: REMOVED!

QUESTION 7: REMOVED!

QUESTION 8: REMOVED!

QUESTION 9: REMOVED!

Worldedixor (talk) 04:22, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Worldedixor you have been blocked before and appealed those blocks so you ought to be familiar with the process, you need to read the edit by Bishonen to this page and follow all of the advise and instructions that Bishonen provided, in particular the last sentence. I think your case would be helped if you were to revert the page to the Bishonen edit so that an unblocking administrator can see it--as it is your talk page you are free to revert back to the Bishonen edit (which among other things would delete this comment) and the proceed forwards from there. The current wall of text does not help your case.

If you do not to revert back to the Bishonen edit then at least restore the Bishonen edit to the top of the page and replace the content copied from other pages my page with simple short links to the sections (I will not be archiving my talk page until the end of the year, so the section will remain there so that you can link to it with confidence). If you have not deleted all your questions (through a reversion) then consider very carefully if they are all needed and if the tone of those that are left are confrontational, if so either remove them or tone them down.

Then using the template that Bishonen provided for unblock requests explain briefly to a potential unblocking administrator what it is that you will do differently in future so that an unblocking administrator has a reason to unblock your account. I Hope that helps -- PBS (talk) 14:54, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Yes, PBS. It's done and thank you! Worldedixor (talk) 18:48, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

• Hi, Worldedixor. This time, I object less than usual to your toplofty, sneering, pedantic manner, since you have after all been blocked, which is a nasty experience, and therefore I make allowances. That said, questions 4 and 5 are the only ones I can take seriously, and so I will reply to them: No, I don't have very much knowledge of your article editing, unfortunately. If life was longer, I'd study it, but it actually makes no difference to my block: there is no kind of article editing that would excuse your outrageous behaviour on talkpages and noticeboards, or your vendetta against P123ct1. I consider you were very lucky not to have been blocked over your previous vendetta against Dougweller; a lot of patience was extended to you there — mainly because as an admin, Dougweller is expected to have a thicker skin — but when you pursue a non-admin user in the same vengeful way, ignoring all warnings, it's enough.

I'm sorry to see my previous advice here and my pretty detailed block notice have apparently had no effect: you continue, above, to pursue matters that I have already explained, and ask in a wikilawyering way for specific policies against your various kinds of disruption. It's time you realized there's a limit to how detailed policies are. I'll exemplify with your question 2, where you ask "what policy provision restricts edits in a six hour period". Of course you know there is no such policy, and I think you also know that indefinite does not mean infinite (question 1), since you have been a member of the community for many years, and I simply do not believe that you have missed the frequent references to the fact that it doesn't. That's apart from the fact that you're a great (if selective) reader of policy, and the policy WP:BLOCK states it here. Neither do I believe you're incapable of seeing the inappropriateness of your own rants, that you quote in question 2: "They come as a tag team and a lynch mob… They do not attack as individuals, but rather they coordinate their attacks"; (I think you used the word "lynch mob", to refer to two specified, named, people, three times). You repeatedly and baselessly accuse P123ct1 of personal attacks. Or do you really not see it? If that's the case, I don't think you're competent to edit a collaborative encyclopedia.

As I've told you before, you weren't indeffed just for your excesses on User talk:PBS on November 5; they were more in the nature of a last straw. I recommend you to file a request for unblock, per the instructions in the block notice you blanked, but seriously, do read the guide to appealing blocks first. As PBS indicates, your style and attitude above is unlikely to influence an uninvolved admin in the way you'd hope. And, as PBS also tells you, if you want to appeal, you'd better restore, at a minimum, my block notice which you blanked.

Whether you decide to appeal or not, please don't pester me with any more pettifogging questions. I use the word "pester" in the sense it's used here: repeatedly asking questions that have already been answered. Here, I'll quote a couple of sentences for you: Another form of trolling can occur in the form of continual questions with obvious or easy-to-find answers. Of course, sometimes what is obvious to one person is obscure to another. If a user seems to be asking stupid questions, try to give them the resources to help themselves. You can also send them to the help desk. If they persist, politely explain that you would love to help but you are rather busy.. OK, I would love to help but I'm rather busy. Unless you have something new and meaningful to say to me, I will not respond further on this page. Bishonen | talk 17:08, 10 November 2014 (UTC).

• Bishonen, In response to your statement to my questions 4, I will give a few quick examples so you can get familiar with my edits.

1.Made quick fix to syntax

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant&diff=630832212&oldid=630823714

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant&oldid=630832212

2. Corrected a common error often made by beginner, even advanced level Arab language learners

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant&diff=prev&oldid=625044809

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant&oldid=625044809

3. Fixed a common error made by the RS provided from The Jamestown Foundation)

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Management_of_Savagery&diff=prev&oldid=625009959

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Management_of_Savagery&oldid=625009959

4. Added the real identity of Abu Bakr Naji, a very little known content with RS

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Management_of_Savagery&diff=624907296&oldid=624906056

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Management_of_Savagery&oldid=624907296

• As for question 5, I will just put this behind because I see recent comments by P123ct1 that may indicate a sincere awareness and change of heart helped by GregKaye's mediation. If P123ct1 is sincere and time will tell, and if I see no digs, remarks, notes tracking me, nothing underhanded, I will even go further and go back to our initial cooperation as it was back in July.

• I admit that I cannot tolerate bias and injustice, and as I once stated: "My attitude is a reflection of the way I am treated. Treat me with respect for my knowledge and well sourced contributions, and don't gang up on me when I have not even communicated with you, and I will treat you better." I also admit that I need to improve my style and attitude as they always mirror the style and attitude of those who address me, and I invite you to do the same, Bishonen. As for Tecnophant and Dougweller, I will also just leave that behind, as I saw Dougweller showing evenhandedness today, and I would like to see this become a new beginning for all, including "BullRangifer" who also seem to have a change of heart, and a sincere change in his ways, and thanked me for my edit on my Talk Page today. Worldedixor (talk) 19:30, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

"Thanked"? Well yes, I thanked you because you thanked someone else for doing something good. That's not even the slightest "change of heart" or change of my opinion about your bad attitude and delusionally high opinion of yourself.

Your competence lies exclusively in narrowly limited aspects of your knowledge and language abilities (no one denies that), but you are totally incompetent when it comes to behavioral issues, and that's what's gotten you into trouble. No amount of good editing, special knowledge, or skills can atone for the other problems. Your list below of such things is a waste of time. Good edits one place cannot pay for bad behavior elsewhere. Both sides of the balance must be good.

I had hoped that you would begin to admit that others' opinion of your massive IDHT behavior is correct, but I don't see any recognition or admission on your part. You still condition any change or improvement of your behavior on a prior change in the behavior of others, IOW you still blame others for your problems. I suspect that you actually are incapable of understanding these matters and cannot see yourself as others see you, which indicates a serious "behavioral competency" problem.

You are standing in the middle of a circle, with many capable and experienced editors surrounding you, all pointing fingers at you, and yet you claim they are all wrong. That type of megalomania is rarely curable, and it's not our job to do it. Come back when you have learned the meaning of humility and incorporated it in your own life. Until then you will never be a team player. Here we must edit collegially with editors who hold opposing POV. Without such collaboration, our content is crap. -- Brangifer (talk) 06:44, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Worldedixor (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

As outlined above

Decline reason:

Worldedixor, I'm declining your unblock request, because your method of presentation is so chaotic, I have serious concerns that you are competent enough to edit Misplaced Pages. I suggest you write a new unblock request which coherently explains why you should be unblocked. PhilKnight (talk) 23:40, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

That's OK, PhilKnight... I accept your admin decision but I am far from not being competent. I have seen where I was wrong, with the help of GregKaye, even PC123ct1 and BullRangifer, who, in their own way, showed their true colors today, but it was not incompetence. If you wish to do the right thing and go through my article edits to judge correctly whether I am competent enough to edit Misplaced Pages and change your decision and statement about my competence, then that would be great. If not, no big deal.

For easy reference,I will iterate a few quick examples so you can get familiar with my edits.

1.Made quick fix to syntax

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant&diff=630832212&oldid=630823714

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant&oldid=630832212

2. Corrected a common error often made by beginner, even advanced level Arab language learners

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant&diff=prev&oldid=625044809

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant&oldid=625044809

3. Fixed a common error made by the RS provided from The Jamestown Foundation)

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Management_of_Savagery&diff=prev&oldid=625009959

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Management_of_Savagery&oldid=625009959

4. Added the real identity of Abu Bakr Naji, a very little known content with RS

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Management_of_Savagery&diff=624907296&oldid=624906056

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Management_of_Savagery&oldid=624907296

I also saved the ISIL page from a disaster caused by a new editor when no one else could.

Cheerio. Worldedixor (talk) 01:06, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

I won't decline the unblock but I believe the block was completely appropriate. Comments such as "recent comments by P123ct1 that may indicate a sincere awareness and change of heart" suggest that Worldedixor's attacks were justified rather than what I have always seen as hounding. The comment about Bishonen is patronising. And the suggestion that he will change is both unlikely given past behavior and heavily qualified (if other people behave). Dougweller (talk) 21:14, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

I appreciate that you have shown evenhandedness and that goes far towards a new beginning for all. I believe you misunderstood what I wrote. What I referred to was a step beyond whereby "I will even go further". As for your reference to if other people behave, I believe that everyone should behave as policy does not allow some not to behave. In any case, if what I did, believing that I followed policy, is actually hounding, which is a policy violation, then I do not want to violate policy in the future. Worldedixor (talk) 21:29, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Worldedixor I am so happy, genuinely thrilled with your response re: q. 5. Obviously I can only comment on either you or P123ct1 in the time that I have known you and regarding my by no means complete reading of previous materials and, in both cases, I don't know how much change I can honestly report. In the case of P123ct1 all I can claim is that I made an offer to facilitate mediation between the two of you. P123ct1 and I have also developed a good working relationship within which concerted attempts have been made to resolve differences between me and Technophant and, in this whole process, to an extent, various understandings of editing habits may have become apparent. While editors like P123ct1 and I have certainly gained experience I can't report any change in disposition not by my mediation or anyone elses. If there has been a change of heart for which I can take the credit, I'll take it :) However, my experience is, in violent contrast to other experiences, has been of an editor that has consistently been straightforward, direct and, in positive ways, regularly challenging. One of the valued insights shared with me is that Misplaced Pages can be a mixture of a bear pit and a snake pit. I think that the challenge for all of us is, no matter what else happens around us, don't join adopt the tactics of the snake. From my experience and also from evidence of the report of others I know that as an editor you have plenty to offer and yet, from what I have seen, you also have the potential to lash out in sharp as well as firm ways. That's just a perspective and something, in my mediation, I would advise you to try to take to heart.

I have nothing against pedantry and certainly, if it is directed in positive directions, it can be appropriate route to excellence. I don't know if this is an issue but pedantry, when directed to expectations of the standards of others, can be a recipe for trouble. Sometimes battles are lost. Sometimes there are manipulations. Sometimes there are small or great wrongs. Certainly there may, on occasion, be battles to fight but a potentially important principle to bear in mind is that Misplaced Pages is not about winning. I don't know how much, if any, of this applies but my worry is that the same issues that got you in trouble with previous editors may generate other troubles in future.

As I say, your experience may have been different, but my experience with the one mentioned editor has been good while experiences with some other editors have been less so. I find it a huge leap forward that you can perhaps recognise the possibility of good. Test everything and hold to the good.

I also deeply respect that you "cannot tolerate bias and injustice". Sometimes you have to. There are some wrongs which, depending on context, you can't fight (at least not always in ways where the rectification of the wrong would be worth the cost); other wrongs you can and some "wrongs" may not be wrong at all.

I don't think that there is any issue relating to the fact that you have positives to offer and your background in languages will be of great benefit in contexts such as the ISIL article but I think you may have hit the nail on the head with regard to the "tolerate" issue. Make sure you don't tolerate contra-guideline behaviour in yourself.

I look forward to you editing again but with no unnecessary troubles being raised. Gregkaye ✍♪ 21:40, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

I appreciate your words of well-meaning constructive criticism and sincere appreciation, Gregkaye. What you advised helps me see where I may have been wrong. In particular, your much appreciated reference to Misplaced Pages is not about winning is an eye-opener and is something that I will follow to avoid unpleasant conflicts in the future. Worldedixor (talk) 21:48, 10 November 2014 (UTC)