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This section of the article suddenly includes the sentence fragment, ''"... 55 military personnel were among those killed at the Pentagon."''. This information comes out of nowhere because the Pentagon attack is not mentioned anywhere in the article previously or subsequently to this fragment. It also casts doubt on whether the casualty figures quoted include or exclude the Pentagon attack (cursory research suggests includes, though the obvious implication is the numbers exclude the Pentagon attack purely by the article's context). I would have removed the fragment or clarrified, but as this is the featured article today, I decided to raise the matter here and allow someone more knowledgeable as to the casualty figures deal with it. ] (]) 10:30, 14 November 2014 (UTC) This section of the article suddenly includes the sentence fragment, ''"... 55 military personnel were among those killed at the Pentagon."''. This information comes out of nowhere because the Pentagon attack is not mentioned anywhere in the article previously or subsequently to this fragment. It also casts doubt on whether the casualty figures quoted include or exclude the Pentagon attack (cursory research suggests includes, though the obvious implication is the numbers exclude the Pentagon attack purely by the article's context). I would have removed the fragment or clarrified, but as this is the featured article today, I decided to raise the matter here and allow someone more knowledgeable as to the casualty figures deal with it. ] (]) 10:30, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 14 November 2014 ==

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In the at-a-glance fact list on the righthand side of the page, under "Design and construction", please add "MEP/FP engineer" as "Jaros, Baum & Bolles". Reference: http://www.wtc.com/about/firms
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94 floors

http://skyscrapercenter.com/new-york-city/one-world-trade-center/98/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.75.25.62 (talk) 23:48, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

This is the source used by the infobox. However, Emporis has 104 as does skyscraperpage.com and other sources too. The mystery will probably be resolved when the building officially opens. Astronaut (talk) 10:33, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Please correct the number of floors to 94, as CTBUH has it in the reference, which this Misplaced Pages article uses as a source. The confusion is caused by the numbering of the floors in the building, which is not consistent with the number of actual floors. CTBUH is usually considered as the authority, which determines the "official" heights and floor counts. 128.141.41.21 (talk) 09:40, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Not only the CTBUH says it 94 floors but their own website as well. They just skipped some of them in the numbering to let it look taller. - User:Supercarwaar/signature 18:42, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
when clicking on the link, click on the "Floorplans"-section after. - User:Supercarwaar/signature 18:45, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Images for consideration

A friend took this photo of the Freedom Tower. To the left is my cropped version and the original photo, along with the current photo for comparison. I'd like to discuss whether this photo would be a better choice for the main photo or useful elsewhere in the article.

  • Proposed Replacement image Proposed Replacement image
  • uncropped original uncropped original
  • image currently in article image currently in article

--S Philbrick(Talk) 12:16, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

@Sphilbrick: Yep, that should belong in this article, and did you embedded or uploaded these images? --Allen 22:49, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
I'm not quite catching the point of your question. Both the left and the middle image have been uploaded to Commons. I did a crop, but recognize my limited image skills, so wanted to show the uncropped in case someone felt that a different cropping (or none at all) would be a better image. What do you mean by "embedded"?--S Philbrick(Talk) 22:57, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Embedded image means to embed an image from an external site where you can view an image from another site. I see that your images that you uploaded was a similar job to this article. --Allen 23:35, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

    • I do agree we need an updated image for the article. What about this photo for consideration?CookieMonster755 (talk) 02:04, 6 November 2014 (UTC)CookieMonster755

    Yes, we need an updated image. Sphilbrick, your images have a little too much reflection and camouflage; do you have other photos? – Epicgenius (talk) 19:44, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

    Building complete

    The new 1 World Trade Center building was finished, so can I update the building status of it from "Topped-out" to "Complete"? Upon finished construction, it opened already? --Allen 00:52, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

    One World Observatory at One World Trade Center

    There has been new information about the "One World Observatory" observation deck at One World Trade Center. I was asking you editors, should somebody add this new information to One World Trade Center article page or make a new page for it, or none of these options? I would like to have a reply soon about this topic. Thanks! -Cookie Monster (talk)

    Chung, Jen (28 October 2014). "One World Trade Center Observatory Sets Admission At $32". gothamist. Retrieved 28 October 2014.

     Done Epicgenius (talk) 18:42, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

    Airplane attack diagram

    Do we really need a diagram of the airplane attacks on the previous WTC? There is a separate WP entry dedicated to the September 11th attacks in detail. Does this add to the current article about the new building? The diagram showing the reflecting pools yes, the airplanes, no. 152.133.7.130 (talk) 17:55, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

    Yes. This is not only about the new WTC, it is also about the older 1 WTC. – Epicgenius (talk) 18:03, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

    1st paragraph is way too wordy

    Each sentence is far too wordy in the first paragraph. ObesityTastesGood (talk) 03:25, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

    It's not to "Wordy" CookieMonster755 (talk) 03:59, 5 November 2014 (UTC)CookieMonster755
    Any reason for putting the word wordy in quotation marks? And any reason for writing to rather than too or was it just a typo? I agree that the intro is a little too wordy. Parts about when construction started and topped-out don't need to be there (especially now that the building is open). The part about the symbolism of 1776 feet seems fairly pointless as it means nothing to the vast majority of those reading the article (i.e. non-Americans) who will only pay attention to the height of the building in metres which has no symbolism at all.--XANIA - ЗAНИA 20:05, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
    Maybe it's a misspelling? Not everyone has perfect English and you can't expect everyone to do so. I have fixed the lede, anyway. Epicgenius (talk) 03:00, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

    Image request

    The article mentions controversy surrounding the "fortified base" of the tower, but there is no photo illustrating this here or on Wikimedia Commons. If anyone could supply a photo depicting the way the tower meets the ground I think it'd be a valuable addition to the article. Thanks, Citobun (talk) 05:06, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

    There is detail at the bottom of this image: File:1 WTC from botton 2013.jpg. Epicgenius (talk) 17:05, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
    The image doesn't show how the tower meets the ground, the pedestrian experience, the entrances, etc. There isn't enough context to tell where the "bottom" is in relation to this photo. Citobun (talk) 01:36, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
    Okay. Then we have to put {{Image requested}} up. Epicgenius (talk) 02:34, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
    • File:OneWorldTraceCenterEntrance.jpg

      • I upload an image to Misplaced Pages Commons that you may want to see if its useful for you to use Citobun CookieMonster755 (talk) 05:04, 6 November 2014 (UTC)CookieMonster755

      @CookieMonster755: Looks good, except that it's very close up. This can be used to illustrate the fortified entrance instead. Epicgenius (talk) 15:48, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

      Does this work?

      size

      PointsofNoReturn (talk) 03:06, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

      Units of measurement

      Personally I would prefer Misplaced Pages to use only metric units of measurement because it is supposed to be a serious encyclopaedia but I accept that there are still some Americans (and Burmese) who still cling to the imperial system and its weird ways of dealing with height, weight and volume. Some attempt has been made to put the metric units in brackets in this article but there are still gaps. This is supposed to be English Misplaced Pages not American English Misplaced Pages. It should be written for the majority of the people and not just Americans. Somebody needs to put in metric equivalents for all measurements and ideally metric should come first with old style units in brackets. Also remember that English Misplaced Pages is not just read by native English speakers but by people learning English or those who have learnt it as a second language. Stop using confusing units of measurement please.--XANIA - ЗAНИA 20:00, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

      @Xania: That has been fixed already. It does universally use both units of measurement. The only corrections that I needed to make were to an imperial measurement for the height, where a metric equivalent was already provided earlier. Epicgenius (talk) 02:57, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
      @Xania: This is a neutral encyclopedia. It is common practice on Misplaced Pages for American article to use imperial units and other articles to use metric units. All conversions are used though. What you brought up would probably be better brought up in a global discussion. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 21:05, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

      September 11 attacks Section

      This section of the article suddenly includes the sentence fragment, "... 55 military personnel were among those killed at the Pentagon.". This information comes out of nowhere because the Pentagon attack is not mentioned anywhere in the article previously or subsequently to this fragment. It also casts doubt on whether the casualty figures quoted include or exclude the Pentagon attack (cursory research suggests includes, though the obvious implication is the numbers exclude the Pentagon attack purely by the article's context). I would have removed the fragment or clarrified, but as this is the featured article today, I decided to raise the matter here and allow someone more knowledgeable as to the casualty figures deal with it. DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 10:30, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

      Semi-protected edit request on 14 November 2014

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      In the at-a-glance fact list on the righthand side of the page, under "Design and construction", please add "MEP/FP engineer" as "Jaros, Baum & Bolles". Reference: http://www.wtc.com/about/firms JarosBaumBolles (talk) 14:35, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

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