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Hello, well-dressed reader. There's no need to post "Talkback" or "You've got mail" templates here. I watch my e-mail, and also your talkpage if I've posted on it.

In reference to your last correspondence

Dear Bishonen,

Thank you ever so much for your kind message. My servant tells me that you are a respectable and classy gal, and I am so far inclined to believe him (though in other matters lately, such as the recent food preparations, bed clothes, and litter box accommodations, his judgement leaves much to be desired).

Regarding the gallery to which you alluded, it might interest you to know that the kittens therein are from Parken Zoo, Eskilstuna (though surely they are no longer kittens today). (Incidentally I have found that my zoo-bound kin speak in the most unintelligible dialects and lack certain graces, but I shall not digress on the matter.)

Though I care naught for him in any true sense (apart from his adequately performed functions), my servant wishes to relay that he has been dealing with what he calls "trolls" (I can only relate to the term insofar as imagining it references something comparable to the ghastly mores of bobcats, who have ever been the embarrassment of Felidae) and would prefer not to invite more of their company through references to "usernames". (This is most likely a cover, however, for he is but a flighty and fussy creature who is yet unkeen to accept that I am in control, as is my privilege.)

With warmest regards,

Manul 17:07, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

They're so great-looking! Parken Zoo must be better than I thought; I've never visited it. (Eskilstuna? Where's that? No, I'm kidding, of course I know the town. Know of it.) I'd truly never even heard of manuls before, so please forgive a perhaps stupid question: what's the image of the eagle owl doing in amongst them on your page? Do the two species perhaps share a special bond? (I like owls — I'm a YOLO (You Obviously Like Owls), compare the image on my userpage.) I'll remember about the username. My god, some of them are scary — I would not like to meet this guy in the dark! The trolls would run a mile, I'm sure. Bishonen | talk 00:49, 27 November 2014 (UTC).

revert

Did this -- kind of leaves your comment dangling. Feel free to revert. NE Ent 00:19, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

No, it's fine, you'd better remove mine as well. Carol should see it, but let's assume she has. I tried to scare up a clerk on IRC, but no luck. Interesting to see Salvio ignore it, wasn't it? Probably genuine tunnel vision there. Bishonen | talk 00:45, 29 November 2014 (UTC).

It looks like the issue is resolved. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 00:49, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Yes, thanks, HiB. Maybe leave mine, Ent, since User:Voceditenore has now improved the context. Whichever you prefer. Bishonen | talk 00:51, 29 November 2014 (UTC).

Oh, duh. I didn't read carefully because fed up with nonsense and thought he meant GGTF. I was wondering why my saying something at Arbitration would get me banned from GGTF but obviously didn't care enough to read carefully. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 04:52, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Request for protecting the article Gayen from vandalism (IP edits)

The article Gayen is currently subject to vandalism by a particular IP, who refuses to understand our policies. This community/surname does not belong to Kayastha caste, and the IP contributor naturally has no source or reference to support his/her claim. In order to show affiliation to a higher caste like Kayastha, the contributor is just providing some references (copy-paste) from the article Kayastha, which by no means show that 'Gayen' belongs to that particular community. Also, the contributor is indulging in copyright violation by inserting image, as pointed out and removed once by User:Filedelinkerbot. Requesting appropriate action, so that the article can be edited by autoconfirmed users only. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 09:55, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Done. Caste puffery, how familiar. And reverts the anti-vandal bot and the image removal bot. Thanks for the alert, Ekdalian. The article has never been protected before, so I don't think I should give it more than a month to begin with; please let me know if the problems resume after that. Bishonen | talk 10:58, 29 November 2014 (UTC).

Thanks. Yes absolutely; I will watch the article, and inform you in case it resumes later. Best Regards, Ekdalian (talk) 11:10, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Now that the article Gayen is protected from IP edits, it seems that the user behind the IP VishwajeetGain, has become active, and removed the 'refimprove' tag as well as incorporated the same image. I have issued a warning on his talk page, User talk:VishwajeetGain. I have already reverted thrice, and will refrain from further editing within 24 hours. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 14:08, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Requesting you to warn or block the user VishwajeetGain (whatever seems appropriate to you), engaged in edit war and violation of policies in spite of repeated warnings. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 10:54, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

I have made made the necessary changes, and corrected what needed to be corrected. Being new to Misplaced Pages, some help would be appreciated, instead of the constant reversion of all my edits made to the page. I request you to kindly look into the matter, and ensure that only the inaccurate parts of the article are removed. Removal of the added categories, surname tag, images, and links in the 'see also' section, is unnecessary and unjust. Sources have been added where necessary. I will accept any edits made, provided valid reasons for their removal are stated. Thank you. VishwajeetGain

VishwajeetGain is repeatedly removing content from the article's talk page, even after being informed that this is a gross violation of our policies. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 11:18, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

• Ekdalian, I think VishwajeetGain had a right to remove your talkpage post here, as it's not appropriate to make accusations about users' motives etc on that page. Please discuss only edits, not editors. That said, VishwajeetGain, I don't understand your editing at all. You apologize and say you won't edit the article again, and then you simply carry on doing it, without engaging with objections on the talkpage (other than simply removing those objections). What do you mean by it? I will block you if you continue. Also, please state whether it was you who made the edits from the 110.224.214.xx IPs. Bishonen | talk 11:23, 30 November 2014 (UTC).

• I've just seen this, Bish. I'll try to take a look at the article content later today and see if something can be straightened out. - Sitush (talk) 11:28, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Until yesterday, I had no idea what a talk page was. As for the editing of the article, I have a right to do so, as long as I comply by the rules, which I have done. I believe the present condition of the articles is fine, and any additions made for improvement of its comprehensiveness will be appreciated. What I found rather unsettling, was the constant reversion of all my edits made by Ekdalian, even when they were legitimate edits. I still don't understand why the images had to be removed, as they are published under the public domain. I have thanked the user for his/her constructive edits, but I believe it wasn't right to undo all the edits at a single go. I look forward to further co-operation between contributors to the article. Thank you. VishwajeetGain — Preceding undated comment added 11:40, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

@VishwajeetGain:, can we please leave Bish alone now? I'm pretty good on caste/history stuff and can probably help both "sides" here. I'm a bit busy today but I will look into the problems later and we can discuss at Talk:Gayen, which is the proper venue. The reason why that is the correct place is because it is likely to be watched by more people who are actually interested in the article subject than this (Bishonen's) user talk page. The article is a mess as it stands and does not comply with our policies; then again, it didn't comply before the two of you began edit warring. I think that we'll need to start from somewhere way back in time or even completely rewrite it but Talk:Gayen is the place to be right now. - Sitush (talk) 11:48, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Hire me, hire me !

Oh, that won't work, will it :/ Well, if I scratch your back ... ???? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:32, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Zilla hire! Little user willing scratch back and bring verbs? Work for delicious board (see cake fridge) and comfy lodging in pocket? Welcome take up residence! bishzilla _ROARR!! 21:42, 29 November 2014 (UTC).

I wouldn't pay her a cent -- she'll work for free if your writing is bad enough . NE Ent 15:31, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Bhumihar brahmin/babhan

Some of the historic accounts by renowned authors mentioning bhumihar Brahmin / babhan community are mentioned as follows

(1)Rulers, Townsmen and Bazaars: North Indian Society in the Age of British By C. A. Bayly http://books.google.co.in/books?id=xfo3AAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=bhumihar+brahmin+origin+by+historians&hl=en&sa=X&ei=x54UVLvYGcaTuATng4HgBw&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=bhumihar&f=false

(2)The Limited Raj: Agrarian Relations in Colonial India, Saran District, 1793-1920 By Anand A. Yang http://books.google.co.in/books?id=Ck4jmD7H34UC&pg=PA59&dq=bhumihar+brahmin+origin+by+historians&hl=en&sa=X&ei=x54UVLvYGcaTuATng4HgBw&ved=0CDoQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=bhumihar%20brahmin%20origin%20by%20historians&f=false

(3)Man in India, Volumes 54-55 by Sarat Chandra Roy (Ral Bahadur) http://books.google.co.in/books?id=CGMqAQAAIAAJ&q=bhumihar+brahmin+origin+by+historians&dq=bhumihar+brahmin+origin+by+historians&hl=en&sa=X&ei=x54UVLvYGcaTuATng4HgBw&ved=0CEsQ6AEwBw

(4)Bazaar India: Markets, Society, and the Colonial State in Gangetic Bihar By Anand A. Yang http://books.google.co.in/books?id=D5lQutvzAp4C&printsec=frontcover&dq=bhumihar+brahmin+origin+by+historians&hl=en&sa=X&ei=x54UVLvYGcaTuATng4HgBw&ved=0CFAQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=bhumihar%20&f=false

(5)Caste: The Colonial Theories by Braja Bihārī Kumāra http://books.google.co.in/books?id=voe3AAAAIAAJ&q=bhumihar+brahmin+origin+by+historians&dq=bhumihar+brahmin+origin+by+historians&hl=en&sa=X&ei=x54UVLvYGcaTuATng4HgBw&ved=0CFYQ6AEwCQ Martial races of undivided India By Vidya Prakash Tyagi http://books.google.co.in/books?id=vRwS6FmS2g0C&pg=PA266&dq=bhumihar+brahmin+origin+by+historians&hl=en&sa=X&ei=x54UVLvYGcaTuATng4HgBw&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=bhumihar%20brahmin%20origin%20by%20historians&f=false

(6)Evolution and Spatial Organization of Clan Settlements: A Case Study By Saiyad Hasan Ansar http://books.google.co.in/books?id=dxDWbsztdVQC&pg=PA100&lpg=PA100&dq=Evolution+and+Spatial+Organization+of+Clan+Settlements:+A+Case+Study+of+...++By+Saiyad+Hasan+Ansari&source=bl&ots=Z2K627D9Qw&sig=p0YFJjE2ASP6v09wVCn3DY6riRo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=tKMUVOqGKonjuQShw4DoAw&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Evolution%20and%20Spatial%20Organization%20of%20Clan%20Settlements%3A%20A%20Case%20Study%20of%20...%20%20By%20Saiyad%20Hasan%20Ansari&f=false

(7)Brahamharshi Bamsha Bistar by swami shahjanand saraswati. https://archive.org/details/BrahamharshiBamshaBistar

(8)Hindu caste and sect by yogendra nath bhattacharya https://archive.org/stream/hinducastesands00bhatgoog#page/n136/mode/2up

(9)Census of India 1891 by British Indian govt https://archive.org/stream/cu31924023177268#page/n195/mode/2up

(10)Caste, Society and Politics in India from the Eighteenth Century to the ... By Susan Bayly http://books.google.co.in/books?id=HbAjKR_iHogC&pg=PA203&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=bhumihar&f=false

(11)The State at War in South Asia By Pradeep Barua http://books.google.co.in/books?id=FIIQhuAOGaIC&pg=PA76&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Bhumihar&f=false

(12)Peasants and Monks in British India by William R. Pinch UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA PRESS http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft22900465;brand=ucpress http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=uEP-ceGYsnYC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false page no 83 and 84

(13) Rajesthan by RK gupta and s r bhakshi. http://books.google.co.in/books?id=gHNoU2zcDnIC&pg=PA1&dq=rajput+origin&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Qr8eVKO8MZKTuATy3YLwBg&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=rajput%20origin&f=false

(14)Medieval India: From Sultanate To The Mughals: Part I: Delhi Sultanate By Satish Chandra

senari massacre http://www.pucl.org/reports/Bihar/2001/jehanabad.htm

Note : Bhumihar Brahmin/ Babhan/ Bhumihars (short name of bhumihar Brahmin) are names to same community.

Hi sir, whatever books I have mentioned earlier are the books from renowned Historians or social activists. None of these books have mentioned any relation of bhumihar with rajput. Bhumihar (i.e. Babhan) is a distinct community different from rajput, but having Brahmin origin. It is a total biased to write a fictitious and fabricated tale or legend meant to insult a community which has been given in ashwani kumar's book (i.e. Bhumihar made up of union of rajput and Brahmin). You can find a lot about the plight of dalit ( i.e. so called downtrodden section of society who are not at all downtrodden in present time and politically awaken today) in his (aswani kumar) book, but hardly about the plight of Bhumihar Brahmin/Babhan. He has not mentioned Senari massacre and other massacre (available on ranvir sena Misplaced Pages ) in which mcc, Maoist (i.e. naxalite) and dalit led army beheaded bhumihar/babhan cruelly like Islamic state terrorist organisation of present time. This book is a totally biases against upper caste (i.e. Class) and trying to emphasize only on false tales and fabricated stories which has come out of sheer jealousy (refer 7 and 8 citation mentioned above). There are some bad persons in all community which have been over hyped in ashwani kumar's book. Entire babhan community has been made culprit in his book. If anyone is writing anything in Misplaced Pages he should write all the issues, and not merely some defamatory and derogatory tales, which is not at all true historically. Ashwani kumar has written many fictitious stories about babhan/bhumihar which cannot be simultaneously true. Rajput is a community which come into existence only after fall of Harshavardhan kingdom (ref 13 & 14). Initially they (Rajputs) were centred around north-west India and some part of central India. They came to eastern India only at the time of emergence of Islamic force in India (i.e. around 1200 AD or Muhammad ghori period). Bhumihar brahmin is a new name to babhan community which gained popularity in late 19th century and popularized by babhan landlords. In british raj they were enumerated as Babhans under aristocratic and military community till 1891 British census.(ref 9 &12) So I request wikipedians to remove this fairy tale which has been fabricated by some jealousy community out of sheer jealousy. Please put up historic fact about babhan community rather than some fabricated story. Swami shahjanand saraswati was a peasant leader and social reformer (https://en.wikipedia.org/Sahajanand_Saraswati) who advocated mere priesthood for babhans rather than landlord ship and wanted inclusion of Babhan in mere donation taking Brahmins list. Bhumihar brahmin or bhumihar name for this entire babhan community was popularized during the same period. sahjanand also attempted to abolish zamindari (landlord ship) from bihar( 7, 10 & 12). Babhans were already included in aristocratic class till 1891 british census. There is hardly any book or early historical evidence giving relation of bhumihar/Babhan with rajput(6). It is a pure myth to associate bhumihar with rajput which are two distinct community. So please put down the myth and include the materials from reliable and credible citation regarding bhumihar/ babhan community. Bhumihar is a Sanskrit word for zamindar or jagirdar which means landlord or landholder(ref 8). Swami shahjanand saraswati books (Brahamharshi Bamsha Bistar by swami shahjanand saraswati. https://archive.org/details/BrahamharshiBamshaBistar) are cited by most of the Brahmin community for reference like kanyakubj Brahmin, (https://en.wikipedia.org/Kanyakubja_Brahmins) Saryupareen Brahmins (https://en.wikipedia.org/Saryupareen_Brahmins) Jujhautiya Brahmin (https://en.wikipedia.org/Jujhautiya_Brahmin).

One more point I want to mention is that new fictitious and imaginary theory which has evolved quite recently and has not been mentioned by any historians in past and in British colonial era. Babhan (i.e. Bhumihar) has been categorised as shudra along with kayastha in british colonial period. (http://books.google.co.in/books?id=sQcGAQAAQBAJ&pg=PA31&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false) this book mentions this claim but it has not mentioned which year census report did so. I am including one of the census report and abstract of book to unveil this false statement. (Census of India 1891 by British Indian govt https://archive.org/stream/cu31924023177268#page/n195/mode/2up)and (http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft22900465&chunk.id=s1.3.13&toc.depth=1&toc.id=ch3&brand=ucpress;query=#1) (i.e. ref 9, 12)These books clearly denote that babhans were considered as military community similar to rajputs, nairs and marathas , they fought to get included in mere priestly Brahmin list since they have brahmanic (i.e. of brahmin) origin. Please do not let some editor write some spurious and false facts which do not have historical evidences or account to back the fact.

It is quite disappointing that Some of the wikipedians are persistently showing might is right kind of policy. I have mentioned enough history books to support my point but some are showing biased view. I am persistently telling that please write the historical document. What ever book i have mentioned above are the credible historic account(document). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bpandey89 (talk • contribs) 12:45, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Content disputes belong on article talk pages. All the stuff you mention above has already been discussed at Talk:Bhumihar and has been found wanting by several experienced contributors. You need to drop this stick, Bpandey98, because you've already been blocked previously and also have had the WP:GS/Caste notice. - Sitush (talk) 12:50, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

IAC today

Thanks for being so quick off the mark. - Sitush (talk) 13:22, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

NP, I enjoy that stuff. Favonian has semi'd Jimbo's page for a few hours, and blocked the IPs. Mind you, I'm completely over the notion of blocking these open proxies; there are thousands, if not millions, and there are easy-to-find lists of them and simple instructions for how to use them, all over the WWW. So, you know. Once probably an individual needed to be somewhat internet savvy to go via an open proxy; now its anybody's game. Heck, I could probably do it myself — I can't put it any more strongly that that. Bishonen | talk 13:28, 2 December 2014 (UTC).

Yeah, blocking open proxies does seem a rather outdated bit of policy. One of those was a static IP, though, which confuses me slightly.

I think I shall ever remain astonished that a group that purports to be fighting corruption engages in so many lies etc. They're not even sensible fibs in many cases, such as the stuff that was just revdel'd: it is no great secret that I cannot and never have been able to use a phone. - Sitush (talk) 13:34, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Holocaust denial

You are correct. I misread the original edit and missed the broader context. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:15, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Have a cookie! Bishonen | talk 00:19, 3 December 2014 (UTC).

Wajsa Carg & Co.

Till any Svensk-speakers, jag have been transkriberat and editerat Swedish kokböcker at Swedish Wikisource.

Cajsa Wargs Hjelpreda i Hushållningen för Unga Fruentimber är helt klar men behöver korrläsning. Anna Maria Rückerschölds En Liten Hushålls-Bok är korrläst, men behöver fortfarande valideras.

Ytterligare två böcker, Handbok wid den nu brukliga Finare Matlagningen och Handbok för Dryckers Beredning är under arbete. Om ni är intresserade, hjälp gärna till.

Det här titlarna är en rätt viktig del av svensk kulturhistoria som tidigare inte funnit tillgänglig på nätet på allvar. Haka gärna på om ni känner för't.

Peter 19:56, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Kitty here likes munching on trolls, and is eagerly awaiting the opportunity to do so again.

John Carter (talk) 01:07, 4 December 2014 (UTC)