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| ::::What LB had done was not dishonesty. Even if it WAS dishonesty, it is OK, as explained here . When she found that her anomymity was being compromised freely by you, without anyone taking any action on you to stop you, it is plausible that she too should feel free to extend the favor to others. Please stop trying to make cases where X is wrong only when she does X, but not when she is having the same X done to her with complete impunity.] (]) 07:24, 14 December 2014 (UTC) | ::::What LB had done was not dishonesty. Even if it WAS dishonesty, it is OK, as explained here . When she found that her anomymity was being compromised freely by you, without anyone taking any action on you to stop you, it is plausible that she too should feel free to extend the favor to others. Please stop trying to make cases where X is wrong only when she does X, but not when she is having the same X done to her with complete impunity.] (]) 07:24, 14 December 2014 (UTC) | ||
| :::::You should familiarise yourself with the ] and its serious consequences. That said, LB can say whatever she wants to protect her privacy; then again, if she lies, then she can't complain when people no longer consider her trustworthy, which is what happened here. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> ''']'''</span> ] 10:11, 14 December 2014 (UTC) | |||
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Lightbreather
I am wondering what you make of the claims by Lightbreather that he/she was framed for the actions leading up to the block extension. A Joe job sort of thing.
I don't think it is plausible. The behavior was so idiosyncratic and not the clumsy impersonation that normally comes along with a Joe job.
Just wanted to see if you saw any merit in the claim. Chillum 10:41, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
- No, I agree with you and I don't see any merit in the claim. There is no gentle way of saying this, but, put simply, I don't believe her when she says she didn't do it; she has already lied before, when she denied operating the first IP (the one for which she was originally blocked), so I don't attach much credence to her protestations. Salvio 15:23, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
I am glad we are on the same page then. Thank you. Chillum 17:32, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
- Just to add, her frequent attempts in her block apeals to use an all too obviously pre-arranged alibi makes her difficult to believe. (The "I am off to dinner with hubby" edit summary and – just in case it wasn't noticed – "I am just out the door to dinner with my husband" post an hour before the IP edit in question). DeCausa (talk) 20:50, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
- I think she was lucky to not have been blocked longer but honestly doesn't the block expire in a few hours anyways. Time served then let her go about wasting the WP:ROPE. Why try to stop the self destructive behavior, Lightbreather is doing far more damage to her image then anyone could for her. The Case is done, the evasion was her but now let her weave her path of destruction until people see the real person behind the proclaimed motives. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 22:35, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Or maybe she was out the door to have dinner with her husband. Hell in a Bucket, what exactly does your comment accomplish here? GorillaWarfare (talk) 02:29, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
- I thought the WP:ROPE reference was pretty clear. The purpose of the block is moot at this point. The amount of bullshit that you and every other admin put up with this has been extraordinary. Normally when you have multiple unblock requests, outing, god knows how many pings and the dishonest behaviors leading to and after and we are still allowing the madness? At a minimum that block would have been extended to talk page access removed and possibly an indef block for the repeated attempts to out other editors. Let's assume for one moment Lightbreather is absolutely correct in her assessment that this is all somehow my fault for starting the investigation that eventually linked her to the ip she was using. How has Lightbreather's behavior, including attempted outing of at least 4 editors including some that had to be rev-deleted since being blocked has been completely ignored? Now it's not actually outing except the incident needing revdel but according to Lightbreather's version of outing it certainly is. That raises the point is she really acting on principle of privacy or is this disruption to prove a point and draw attention away from her own consequences? If she is serious that she has been harassed and violated and outed why on god's green earth has she attempted to WP:OUT anyone else she has had an opportunity to? I'm sure you can see her page but feel free to ask for diffs I'll be happy to give examples of how many different times she has tried to or has outed other editors since her block has been up. The other thing to review is that Lightbreather didn't think she was an involved party, how in the blue hell was she not an involved party, she was involved in the case request, the first person filing evidence and then all of a sudden she retires and then comes back as an anon Ip. That IP basically picks up where she leaves off on a crusade against EC then she declares she wasn't an involved party and offers a checkuser, it comes down to time and she gets called on that and all of a sudden it's harrassment and outing. You really expect people to take her word at face value? She has proven one thing, she lied, it's foolish to think she wouldn't do it again to serve her purpose. Let's go ahead and dismiss all that and assume that the world is pink and that Lightbreather has done no wrong and will not repeat their behavior letting them out of their block will ultimately tell that. I think that I've made my expectations abundantly clear, I think based on their actions they will continue self destructive behaviors and that they will eventually wear out the good faith of the remaining community support as they already have through their own actions then the result will be the same as Neotarf and CMDCC. The fact that they were caught so late in the process of the case was regrettable because I think the committee was so tired of the situation at that time they choose to ignore the issue largely just to close out the case. So what am I accomplishing here I'm pointing out the reason's it's ridiculous to take her statements at face value and exhorting a WP:ROPE offer to let her prove me wrong or let her help dig her own grave. Ultimately it's her choice, and choices that has brought her here and will take her where the choices lead. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 04:32, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
- What LB had done was not dishonesty. Even if it WAS dishonesty, it is OK, as explained here . When she found that her anomymity was being compromised freely by you, without anyone taking any action on you to stop you, it is plausible that she too should feel free to extend the favor to others. Please stop trying to make cases where X is wrong only when she does X, but not when she is having the same X done to her with complete impunity.OrangesRyellow (talk) 07:24, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
- You should familiarise yourself with the Essjay controversy and its serious consequences. That said, LB can say whatever she wants to protect her privacy; then again, if she lies, then she can't complain when people no longer consider her trustworthy, which is what happened here. Salvio 10:11, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
- What LB had done was not dishonesty. Even if it WAS dishonesty, it is OK, as explained here . When she found that her anomymity was being compromised freely by you, without anyone taking any action on you to stop you, it is plausible that she too should feel free to extend the favor to others. Please stop trying to make cases where X is wrong only when she does X, but not when she is having the same X done to her with complete impunity.OrangesRyellow (talk) 07:24, 14 December 2014 (UTC)