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	Using a similar method I have recently applied <nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE:Talk:al-Qaeda\|noerror}}</nowiki> to that title with the effect that ] is now displayed at the top of that page. Capitalisation of the Al- still appears in the banners on the page but a change in displayed title should be a step in the right direction. I have also added banner to the talk page. I have no idea how the main page for ] avoids the initial letter capitalisation but, if you are interested, expert techs like are bound to know. <small>(complete ping if relevant)</small>. ] ] 08:30, 22 December 2014 (UTC)		Using a similar method I have recently applied <nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE:Talk:al-Qaeda\|noerror}}</nowiki> to that title with the effect that ] is now displayed at the top of that page. Capitalisation of the Al- still appears in the banners on the page but a change in displayed title should be a step in the right direction. I have also added banner to the talk page. I have no idea how the main page for ] avoids the initial letter capitalisation but, if you are interested, expert techs like are bound to know. <small>(complete ping if relevant)</small>. ] ] 08:30, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
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	I can no longer copy-edit this article as it is moving in a direction I disagree with too much. I have given it		I can no longer copy-edit this article as it is moving in a direction I disagree with too much. Grammatical errors will have to stay uncorrected. I have given it

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I've applied and now am approved to have access to them. Mhhossein (talk) 17:38, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Mhhossein: Thanks for the tip! ~ P-123 (talk) 17:47, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Fourteen infallibles

Thanks for your cooperation in The Fourteen Infallibles. Are you finished with it? Mhhossein (talk) 14:59, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Mhhossein: Yes. I cannot see how to improve the article further, as my knowledge of the subject is practically non-existent. All I could really do was correct the grammar, syntax and formatting. I have edited the Family Tree, but it did not need much editing, and have tidied up some of the formatting in the notes and the rest. Good luck with promoting the article. ~ P-123 (talk) 15:18, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Well done. You did great. Btw, using "ping code" is a safer way to inform other editors. Some times I'm mentioned in the talk pages, but I'm not informed until I check the pages. Mhhossein (talk) 03:02, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Fall of Fallujah.

Thank you for bringing this to my attention. If the fall of Fallujah is not in the article, it means that someone must have deleted it and the sources associated with it. It was probably one of those idiots who have been fighting over the status of ISIS. Someone needs to do something about those fools before they ruin the article. I'll try to rescue the orphaned references (Did I say that right? That is what this is called, isn't it?) and re-add the information, but it will take some time. I wish I could do something about the disruptive editors, but I'm new here, and I don't know what to do. Thanks again! Anasaitis (talk) 21:27, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Anasaitis: Yes, please add it if it is important information. I cannot remember it being there, but if you can find the orphaned references and restore the information, it will improve the article. It will need to go in the "As Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" part of the "History" section. Do you mean editors who are anti-ISIL are spoiling the article? In my opinion at the moment the article is not always spoken in a neutral voice, which is against one of Misplaced Pages's main policies in WP:FIVEPILLARS. Remember you can add your voice to the Talk page discussions on anything and if you do not agree with what is said there you must speak up. It doesn't matter if you have not followed all the discussion, your opinion will be as valuable as any other editor's. ~ P-123 (talk) 22:21, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors

Hey P-123! How are you? I think you would like to see this. An election is open now! Mhhossein (talk) 13:38, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Mhhossein: Thank you for your kind thought! I will look into it. ~ P-123 (talk) 14:01, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

India and ISIL

India got added incorrectly and they just copied over the UN refs, but in fact India banned ISIL today. I've found a very specific ref that ISIL has been added to the banned list and a link to the actual list which clearly says LIST OF BANNED TERRORIST ORGANISATIONS UNDER SECTION 35 OF UNLAWFUL ACTIVITIES (PREVENTION) ACT. Note how they were added under the UN provisions and the UN provisions are on the gov list. Hope that meets your standard. Legacypac (talk) 18:20, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I thought it might be correct, and only reverted because the citations were not right. I don't know how to look up things like this, but thought someone would be able to. P-123 (talk) 18:50, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Another editor can not trust your archives to be a true and full reflection of your talk pages (i.e. when an editor deletes threads from their Talk page or alters anything in their archives.)

As far as I know, with certain restrictions to do with warnings and not changing other editor's contributions (WP:OWNTALK, WP:REMOVED, and WP:TALKO) among others) you are free to do partial archives and delete other sections as you wish.

Exchange on this
That was not the point I was making. If you look at my archives, with the exception of a couple of vandals or edits by banned users, my talk page archives are accurate representations of the content of my talk page (you can check that because I move the page with its history when I archive it). The edits you have been making to remove text from your page and the alterations to material as it is copied into the archive as well as deletion once archived, means that your archives are not an accurate reflection of the content of your talk page. There is nothing wrong with that, in the sense it is not against policy (although guidelines recommended that an editor archives her/his talk page rather than deleting content), but it does mean that another editor can not trust your archives to be a true and full reflection of your talk pages as as such are useless as an archive for anyone but yourself. -- PBS (talk) 16:05, 18 December 2014 (UTC) PBS: I understood your point the first time, I think. To be clear, I have not gone back and deleted anything from an archive before, and wasn't aware I had done it this time; before you pointed it out I had no idea whether I deleted before or after archiving. You say it is better to archive than delete. Because the archives say, "Do not edit the contents of this page", does an unwanted thread have to wait until the next archiving? How is partial archiving done? Also, all deletions can easily be read by looking at the "Revision history" pages - I am sure we all look up each other's deleted threads from time to time - so I cannot see how deletions end up with an archive that cannot be trusted. Or do deleted threads not show up in archives? I need to understand this as I am still unclear about a lot of the technical side of WP editing. P-123 (talk) 17:00, 18 December 2014 (UTC) Got answers from the Help Desk, thanks. P-123 (talk) 15:46, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Exchange on this

That was not the point I was making. If you look at my archives, with the exception of a couple of vandals or edits by banned users, my talk page archives are accurate representations of the content of my talk page (you can check that because I move the page with its history when I archive it).

The edits you have been making to remove text from your page and the alterations to material as it is copied into the archive as well as deletion once archived, means that your archives are not an accurate reflection of the content of your talk page. There is nothing wrong with that, in the sense it is not against policy (although guidelines recommended that an editor archives her/his talk page rather than deleting content), but it does mean that another editor can not trust your archives to be a true and full reflection of your talk pages as as such are useless as an archive for anyone but yourself. -- PBS (talk) 16:05, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

PBS: I understood your point the first time, I think. To be clear, I have not gone back and deleted anything from an archive before, and wasn't aware I had done it this time; before you pointed it out I had no idea whether I deleted before or after archiving. You say it is better to archive than delete. Because the archives say, "Do not edit the contents of this page", does an unwanted thread have to wait until the next archiving? How is partial archiving done? Also, all deletions can easily be read by looking at the "Revision history" pages - I am sure we all look up each other's deleted threads from time to time - so I cannot see how deletions end up with an archive that cannot be trusted. Or do deleted threads not show up in archives? I need to understand this as I am still unclear about a lot of the technical side of WP editing. P-123 (talk) 17:00, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Got answers from the Help Desk, thanks. P-123 (talk) 15:46, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Bot to archive

Edit the below to remove the hidden comment parts  and move the coding to the top of your page to have a bot archive your stuff. Change the YOURUSERNAMEHERE to you and fiddle with the other parameters to meet your level of discussion. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 12:27, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Deleted comments

The deleted comments can be found quite easily by looking through the history of the page and pulling up the diffs:

Those are the deleted stuff up to the first archive. It would be relative easy to to cut and past the diffs back into the appropriate places in first or second archive if you so wished. -- PBS (talk) 17:11, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for going to that trouble PBS, much appreciated. I will get it archived. How did you find it? I thought archives didn't keep deleted comments. I have been asking at WP:HD how to deal with this, so I have a complete archive record, how to do automatic archiving with a bot and how to do partial archiving. I noticed you said you copied your edit history over when archiving. How do you do that? I was a bit shocked to learn that deleted sections don't get retrieved by the bot, so the records won't be complete. I am still vague about deleted comments and how they get archived, so would like to know how you retrieved all the above. Sorry, still floundering with the technical side of WP editing. P-123 (talk) 17:58, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

If you move a page the history moves with it, that is as true for a talk page as it is for an article. To find these diffs above I simply listed the history of your talk page and looked for any edit you made that had a large negative number in it. -- PBS (talk) 23:40, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Terrorism

see WP:TERRORIST, that has been simplified from earlier versions, this older version, but it is meant to convey the same message.

For the underlying reason why terrorist is a pejorative word see the article section Terrorism § Pejorative use.

If you want to see an example in practice of how all this works, have a look at the lead in al-Qaeda. It took a long debate on the talk page to remove the passive narrative use of "terrorist" and to rely on inline attribution to the most authoritative sources (UN down to specific countries: "United Nations Security Council, the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO), the European Union, the United States, Russia, India and various other countries (see below)." but I think the al-Qaeda article is better for it.

-- PBS (talk) 00:07, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, PBS. Editors had come to the same conclusion some months ago, that the only way "terrorist" could be used in the article in WP's own voice was in the Lead sentence with the terrorist desginations. That also was a long debate. I will look at those links. P-123 (talk) 07:01, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Military Historian of the Year 2014

		The WikiProject Barnstar
		For your extensive contributions to the Military history WikiProject, as evidenced by your nomination in the 2014 "Military Historian of the Year" awards, I am delighted to present you with this WikiProject Barnstar! TomStar81 (Talk) 02:29, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Military History Newcomer of the Year 2014

		The WikiProject Barnstar
		For your extensive contributions to the Military history WikiProject, as evidenced by your nomination in the 2014 "Military History Newcomer of the Year" awards, I am delighted to present you with this WikiProject Barnstar! TomStar81 (Talk) 02:36, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

You needed just some more votes!

I checked the voting procedure and you'd cast two votes in one of the elections. However you got two valuable barnstars. Hope to see you in the first rank next year! Mhhossein (talk) 06:38, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Mhhossein: Yes, I had looked at those pages and saw the votes. Thank you very much for the nomination! It is nice to have not one but two very unexpected barnstars for editing in the ISIS article! P-123 (talk) 07:09, 22 December 2014 (UTC).

You're welcome. The barnsatrs are due to nomination and you deserved it. Mhhossein (talk) 07:18, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Mhhossein: I saw that everyone who was nominated would receive barnstars. It was still nice to have them, and it was thanks to your recognition that I did.! :) P-123 (talk) 07:27, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

I just mentioned some facts about your editions. I believe that expressing the power points will lead to more developments. Keep on enhancing Misplaced Pages! Mhhossein (talk) 19:30, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

You can call them "al-"

P-123,

I know that you have done a lot of work on appropriate de-capitalisation of the A in instances of names and words like al-Qaeda. In regard to changing article title presentation, I got related advice at the other end os the alphabet specifically in regard to X (Ed Sheeran album) in which a "DISPLAYTITLE" had been questionably applied to make it read "x (Ed Sheeran album)".

Using a similar method I have recently applied {{DISPLAYTITLE:Talk:al-Qaeda|noerror}} to that title with the effect that Talk:al-Qaeda is now displayed at the top of that page. Capitalisation of the Al- still appears in the banners on the page but a change in displayed title should be a step in the right direction. I have also added this banner to the talk page. I have no idea how the main page for al-Qaeda avoids the initial letter capitalisation but, if you are interested, expert techs like are bound to know. (complete ping if relevant). GregKaye ✍♪ 08:30, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

ISIS copy-editing: announcement

I can no longer copy-edit this article as it is moving in a direction I disagree with too much. Grammatical errors will have to stay uncorrected. I have given it